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Electromagnetic Emission Art

mr_lithic writes "The artist Richard Box has used the electromagnetic field generated by overhead transmission cables to power 1300 fluorescent lightbulbs positioned underneath. Some pictures available. Professor Denis Harshaw at Bristol University explains "There's an interactive element to all this, too, for those who go to the site itself. 'You affect the lights by your proximity', explains Richard Box, 'because you're a much better conductor than a glass tube. And there's sound as well as light - a crackling that corresponds to the flashing of the lights. There's a certain smell too, and your hair stands slightly on end.'" Sounds cool and it is on until February 29th. Directons here."

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  1. The technology is going to kill us by FePe · · Score: 4, Informative
    This is what the future is going to be like.

    Yeah, yeah chips in your hair. 2000.

    A3 x 30. Taken in the studio this series of photographs depicts the artist fending off a swarm of silicon chips as if they were flying insects. The work deals with the effect, intended or not, of technology on the individual.

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  2. Wrong physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The bulbs will be 'planted' across the site at the foot of an electricity pylon, and will pick up the waste emission from the overhead power line.

    Not really. Lighting the bulbs most certainly reduces the power on the lines. The inductance of the power lines change because of the presence of the bulbs.

    1. Re:Wrong physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its called mutual inductance. The changing magnetic field in the power lines causes a changing magnetic field in the 'pylons'(which are most likely a coil oriented correctly). This causes a current in the coil due to Faraday's law. This current itself then generates its own EMF which Lenz's law then shows will have the opposite polarity of the power line magnetic field. Thus, this new magnetic field attempts to generate a current in the opposite direction in the power lines, increasing their resistance.
      In short, he's using the power companies' power to light his bulbs. There are no 'waste emmisions'.

    2. Re:Wrong physics by SloWave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect the lights are lighted by the electric field instead of the magnetic field required for mutual inductance.

    3. Re:Wrong physics by Doug+Neal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are both interdependant, you can't have one without the other. Mutual inductance will most definitely be happening in this case. It's all about conservation of energy as well - if all the energy that's going into lighting up those bulbs was just being radiated out and wasted anyway, don't you think there'd be a hell of a lot of energy going to waste? There is some loss on power transmission lines but it's not as much as that!

    4. Re:Wrong physics by smchris · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the moral is: instead of tin hats, people who live under power lines should coat their houses in light bulbs?

    5. Re:Wrong physics by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Your correct - the tubes light because the electric field excites mercury ions inside the tube - AND energy that the tubes use is NOT free, the tubes with their little pins all sticking in the air create lower impedance paths to ground for the energy in the power lines to bleed off to - that is the points creates a high distribution of electrons tha nthe surrounding area and thus a high voltage.

    6. Re:Wrong physics by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Being a true EE geek I have built a dozen or so various Tesla coils in my life (from a paltry 60,000 volt unit up to a 250,000 volt baby) these units would light up a flourescent tube with ease from 10 to 20 foot away - I have also lit tubes in front of very high power x-band radars (kids DO NOT try at home) - The basic prinicples and physics are the same for high tension power lines although the frequencies involved are lower. So yes, I do know what I am talking about....

    7. Re:Wrong physics by Zillatron · · Score: 2, Funny
      One of those things that took ten years to tell my Mom about: A friend was arguing the case that a flourescent tube had to be plugged in in order to work. I settled the issue by microwaving it for one second in my Mom's gigantic tukey-cooking microwave. Intensely bright. The opposite of me at the time.

  3. Science and Art by apirkle · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think it's very interesting that the artist, Richard Box, is an artist in residence with the Physics department at the University of Bristol.

    It's cool to see art and science actively collaborating. From the article:

    The Physics Department at the University of Bristol has played host to a number of artist residencies. In 2002 artist, Richard Box was awarded a Leverhulme Grant to become the department's third artist in residence. Whilst the starting point for other artists have varied, Richard's main interest was in the specialist glass blowing workshop that is integrated alongside the rest of the physics research activities. His interest in glass has always required him to have objects made by others, this residency offered him the chance to begin to learn how to develop his own glass blowing skills and so have greater authority over his own work.
    1. Re:Science and Art by colmore · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's really interesting that the physics department over there seems make this sort of thing a habit. Universities are so often extremely tight penny penchers, I'm impressed that someone was able to convince the bean counters that this is worthwhile.

      I think the sculpture itself is really pretty, it reminds me of De Maria's Lightning Field, another large scale installation that uses the surrounding environment.

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    2. Re:Science and Art by jemfinch · · Score: 2


      The Lightning Field is protected by copyright. Photography of the sculpture and the cabin is not permitted.


      Since when could you copyright 400 metal poles in a 1 mile by 1 kilometer field?

      Copyright law is out of control.

      Jeremy

    3. Re:Science and Art by jrockway · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK. Done. I emailed them this message:

      To: rights@diaart.org

      Hello. I recently happened upon your page for "The Lightning Field". I
      was curious about how you could protect your metal poles from being
      photographed by copyright law. Copyright law prevents the
      redistribution of one's original work, but not the creation of new
      work. If I sold pictures that you took, I would be in violation of your
      copyright. Unfortunately, there is no law that prevents me from
      photographing anything.

      If there were, perhaps you would consider suing Microsoft and the USGS
      for the infringing aerial photograph at
      http://terraserver.microsoft.com/

      On second thought, perhaps you shouldn't consider that. Because if you did, you would be laughed out of court.

      Sincerely,
      Jonathan Rockway

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    4. Re:Science and Art by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny, yes, but sheesh. Could you possibly be any more condescending?

      If you're trying to change someone's opinion here, you might get better results if you watch the snide attitude. Just a thought.

  4. free power by mistered · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This technique of using the field from high voltage transmission lines has reportedly been used by farmers to power lights in a barn or electrify a fence as this anecdote suggests. The power utilities supposedly have gone after those using the "free" power. I'm not sure how truthful any of these stories are though.

    Also, check out some of his other art. "A rotating, pulsating, elevating, sound and movement activated, life-size neon brain." Now that's just strange.

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    1. Re:free power by Hao+Wu · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Isn't this what the Navy used to spy on Soviet sea cables?

      ref: Operation Ivy Bells

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    2. Re:free power by SloWave · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can get quite a bit of power with just a few loops of wire in the right place under the high tension lines. It would be stealing since you are putting additional load on the power lines. However the lights in the article are being by the electric field driven by leakage current which is lost anyway.

    3. Re:free power by SixDimensionalArray · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This was during the spy era of the Cold War, and it was Operation Ivy Bells. The submarine responsible was the specially outfitted USS Halibut.

      As for how they actually listened in, it was not exactly picking up EMF from outside the cable. Rather, they simply tapped the copper wire by physically inserting some new wire into the cable right alongside the old wire and planting a recording device.

      It's not very difficult to do, and you won't easily be detected when you do it (unlike tapping fiber cable, which can instantly be detected). What's more curious about this case is after some time, when they went back to the location, the recording devices were missing! ;)

  5. directions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What? No GPS coordinates?

    1. Re:directions by Soruk · · Score: 2, Informative

      What? No GPS coordinates?

      The car park is at ST 756 778 (in OSGB notation), or 51deg 29min 52sec north, 2deg 21min 7sec west.

      From there, walk as per the directions on the website.

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  6. Here in the Philippines by digitalchinky · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I toyed with ideas of free lighting (living close to high tension power lines)... seems a little pointless considering thousands of locals run jumper leads of the damn things anyway, with complete immunity from Meralco (Elec company)

    Easier to jumper someone elses jumper leads anyway.

    1. Re:Here in the Philippines by mistered · · Score: 3, Interesting
      One of my friends had some trouble with his underground power connection. The utility inspected it while he was at work, and phoned him and told him they'd need to jumper his neighbour's power. When you're used to jumpers being little plastic caps that go over .1" spacing header pins, it's a little bit of a shock to come home and see a trio of 1/2" wires coming out of your meter, tied to the fence, and then running into the neighbour's.

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    2. Re:Here in the Philippines by HPNpilot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nobody is running jumper leads to multihundred kV transmission lines. That would be outrageoulsy dangerous and difficult to do.

      Even attaching to a 7 kV local HT line is beyond what most people could survive doing unless they were EXTREMELY lucky and had a decent amount of knowledge.

      STAY AWAY FROM THESE LINES. NEVER NEVER NEVER ATTEMPT TO ATTACH TO THEM. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. SERIOUSLY!

    3. Re:Here in the Philippines by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Funny
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      You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
      There is a lot of hype here.
  7. Stealing energy by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The artist Richard Box has used the electromagnetic field generated by overhead transmission cables to power 1300 fluorescent lightbulbs positioned underneath

    Technically, he scoops out energy from overhead lines. True, it's insignificant, but still he could be charged with theft. Of course, since it's art, I doubt anybody at the power company will say anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to take his art somewhere else.

    A well know, similar "application", was demonstrated when wireless transmission technologies boomed in the 30s in Paris : the first antennas had been installed on top of the Eiffel tower and were putting out dozens of kilowatts. Some smart guy started selling battery-less flashlights under the tower, and a lot of gullible people bought them, amazed that they indeed created light magically without batteries. Little did they know the magic flashlights had a little coil inside that used the Eiffel tower antennas' HF power to light up the bulb, and therefore could only work under the tower. The flashlight seller was eventually caught and, far from being charged for scamming people, was charged for stealing TDF (French wireless authority) energy, which was apparently much worse.

    But anyway, pretty cool art I say. The cows in the field nearby must have fun watching that every night.

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    1. Re:Stealing energy by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Informative

      Whatever sucking up EM fields is, it sure isn't theft, no matter what the french say

      You shouldn't have slept through your EE classes.

      Having a coil under the Eiffel tower is exactly similar to having a secondary coil in a transformer : whenever you have a load drawing current on the secondary coil, the primary coil (in this case, the Eiffel tower's antennas) have to provide that power, despite the fact that there's no physical connection between the 2 coils. So if you have antennas putting out 50kW and a coil drawing 10W nearby, that's 10 less Watts in radio power.

      This guy's art also draws energy from the power line. The tubes don't light up for free do they?

      But I'll tell you what : if sucking up EM fields isn't theft, tell me where you live and I'll coil a long copper wire around a mile-long stretch of the powerline that goes to your house and power my trailer with it. I'm sure you won't mind the higher bill from the power company in your mailbox, since I'm not stealing anything...

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    2. Re:Stealing energy by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that the courts would probably err on the side of you (and this guy) being able to have your coils wherever you want to have them as long as it's legal. Farting in the wind probably causes increased resistance for trucks driving down the road but no one would call it stealing.

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    3. Re:Stealing energy by Monkelectric · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually, I don't disgree with the physics of the situation, just the philisophical implications :)

      If having an inductor under a power line is theft -- what isn't?

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    4. Re:Stealing energy by RandyOo · · Score: 2, Informative

      You said:
      "But I'll tell you what : if sucking up EM fields isn't theft, tell me where you live and I'll coil a long copper wire around a mile-long stretch of the powerline that goes to your house and power my trailer with it. I'm sure you won't mind the higher bill from the power company in your mailbox, since I'm not stealing anything..."

      Since the meter is normally located at/inside the residence, he wouldn't get a higher bill from the power company, would he?

    5. Re:Stealing energy by BroncoInCalifornia · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can see this scenario:
      Farmer who lives close to power line makes some big coils to nab some of the energy in the air around his house.

      Power company: You are stealing our power. Stop.

      Farmer: What are your E fields and H fields doing on my property. Get them off or let me use them as I see fit.

      ...

      This could turn into quite a pissing contest!

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    6. Re:Stealing energy by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's being sent through the air, then anybody should be able to use it, regardless of frquency.

      Sorry, but really, you run an item near someones home, and it gives of energy, the people in the home should be able to use it. If you don't like it, find another way to deliever your energy.

      If you are not connected to the power, then you are not stealing. tresspassing, maybe.

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  8. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    yet you will gladly drive along side them every day.

  9. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, at least if you're gonna kill your brain cells, do it with something fun like booze, pot or ecstacy.

    Like the Joker says, "If you gotta go, go with a smile!"

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  10. At last, an event near me! by Chilliwilli · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Will be headed out there with a camera ASAP. Perhaps local /.ers should arrange a meeting time and all go at once.

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    1. Re:At last, an event near me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Physical slashdotting? There's a new idea.

  11. Daily Mail carried this story previously by weeble · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://openapps.harkness.co.uk/junk/

    There is a copy of the article and the picture covered by the Daily Mail.

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  12. Re:Stealing or not? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Informative

    Does arrangements like that actually "steal" any power from the powerlines, or would it be lost anyway if it was just air instead of neon tubes?

    They do draw energy from the line. If they weren't there, the voltage differential in the static field would stay high and no (or little) current would be sinked into the ground under the tube.

    Another proof: assume each tube spits out the equivalent of 10W in light, there must be like 1000 tubes in that field, so they burn about 10kW all the time. I don't think the ground underneath normally sinks 10kW for each 100mx100m square : if it did, it would heat up, and very long lines would lose so much power over the distance that they would bankrupt the power companies.

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  13. Theft? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this theft? I ask because in the past, before the current overkill laws againts computer crime, crackers where charged with theft of electricy. Could he be charged?

  14. Edible Electromagnetic Emission Art by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microwaving chocolate is a fun way to both measure the speed of light and get some edible artifacts of the patterns of the electromagnetic fields inside a microwave oven.

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    1. Re:Edible Electromagnetic Emission Art by sploxx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem is that you not measure the speed of light but the wavelength of microwaves. To get to the speed of light, you'll have to know the frequency of the microwaves.

  15. Power Lines have links to other Negative Effects by MidiSaxMan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Growing up on a farm, I have learned of the negative effects "stray voltages" cause to farm animals.

    This is often linked to the power return to the station. Everywhere, electrical service has everything connected in relation to ground, with any difference in the power balance of the phases of power taking a different path back to the source of the power, i.e. the ground itself, and potentially through anything in its path.

    This "stray voltage" manifests itself when animals, with 4 bare hooves, paws, etc. touching the ground, detect small but irritating (to varying degrees) levels of current taking an alternate path back to the source. Animals have also been proven to have a higher sensitivity for detecting stray currents as well, compared to humans.

    Often in cases, to the power companies defense, they will come out to do a check on the premises, and often do find a problem in the local, on-farm wiring, potentially causing the problem.

    Unfortunately, in the cases of newer farms where all the wiring is new and up-to-code, a stray current is often traced to off-the-farm sources, for example, a newly-installed High-voltage Power Line.

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  16. Reconfigure the Lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    The power company deserves to have their power stolen because they are too cheap to reconfigure their lines to reduce the electromagentic output:

    http://tdworld.com/ar/power_line_designs_reduce/

    1. Re:Reconfigure the Lines by cperciva · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me guess: People deserve to have their cars stolen because they are too cheap to install expensive anti-theft devices?

      Or is it only large corporations which deserve to be stolen from?

    2. Re:Reconfigure the Lines by jimmyswimmy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article references using "passive loop shields" - sounds like additional wires running the length of the transmission line. Those wires are expensive! In school we once did a project similar to this. It turns out that the minimum time-varying flux (voltage) is created below the lines when the three lines are in the equilateral-triangle orientation with the point towards the ground. That way you get some cancellation for free. I remember my power lab TA from some South American country telling us an interesting story. Evidently where he is from they often run a different line configuration known as the wye, which has four wires instead of three (delta, like we have here). The extra wire carries almost no voltage and is there for balancing currents. Most of the time as long as everything is okay the extra line is almost unnecessary. He said all the time people would actually climb the towers and steal the neutral. The value of the copper is worth the risk of cutting the wrong line. Every once in awhile he said they would screw up and try to cut the wrong line. That must be spectacular to see.

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  17. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    pot doesn't kill brain cells...cops beating you over the head because you have some does.

  18. Re:Electricity fun by etLux · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, I liiim, er, lvoplx, er, liiivee unnnder pwoer liens, and n-n-n-othin gggg has has has has has has has has [thwack thwack] huppened two too to MY brain.

  19. Re:Forest by frause · · Score: 2, Interesting


    A new spin on the "Tree falling in the forest" enigma, isn't it? :-)

    No, more like a new spin on "fair use" (or something).
    If you walk under the powerline and thus happens to draw current from it without paying, is it then theft?

  20. Re:Stealing or not? by gordguide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He is using a source of energy, and translating it into work.

    The source of energy is clearly owned by an identifiable person or group. Therefore the use of that energy is actionable. The right-of-way that allows the powerline in the first place gives the power company further arguments to strengthen their position.

    The amount of energy used is measurable. Therefore he could be billed for it. Need I go on?

    A smart Power Company would probably like it all to just go away, because it raises the possibility of health issues, so making a big deal out of it probably isn't a good idea.

    Then again, a smart law firm that senses an opportunity to bill a few hours might convince a gullible board to pursue it. There are plenty of reasonable arguments that could be offered to encourage them to re-affirm rights over the use of borrowed power in this fashion (even though those rights are well established already). Companies don't always do what is in their best interest.

    If it becomes popular or more common (negating the value of shutting up about it) expect to see the lawyers get a call.

    As a final note: consider that the actual means to use the power is irrelevant; just because it doesn't directly connect to the grid means nothing, now that it's proven it's not necessarily a prerequisite to using the energy in the first place. it's just a technical detail.

  21. Or illegal emissions? by tjstork · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think the piece is more of an artistic rebuttal of the assertion that these high energy transmission lines are safe for humans and animals.

    If you've got an EM field that is powerful enough to light up 1000 light bulbs, it seems intuitive that there is enough energy to cause harm to humans living at similar distances.

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  22. Reminds me of school by panurge · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This is a true story. I was there, I saw it.

    Our physics teacher was using the Van der Graaf for an experiment (in fact, he was intending to measure the current it produced). Over the demonstrator's bench, a fluorescent tube was flickering. He got annoyed. He climbed on a stool to remove the offending fluorescent.

    You can guess the rest. The remote end of the tube dropped towards the van der Graaf. About 10cm from the dome, there was a spark. The dome discharged through the tube, which flashed, the physicist, and the stool. Most impressive.

    The tube survived falling on the bench. We learned several things from this:

    • Contrary to belief, our teacher knew the f-word.
    • The current was actually so small, as it had to pass down a wooden stool, that he was unhurt.
    • Given enough volts, wood conducts.
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    1. Re:Reminds me of school by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Wood doesn't have to conduct. It's enough it polarizes; the wooden stool then acted as a dielectric in a capacitor. Capacitors can make pretty flashes, both when you charge them with high-enough voltage source, and when they discharge. Hint: Don't touch a high-voltage capacitor before you shorted its terminals with a screwdriver; if the device you just opened was powered off just a while ago, you may avoid a sparkly surprise.

      Capacitors also make good coupling between AC lines and other wires in their vicinity. I had a case when we got a grounding wire broken in a wiring cabinet, and all the computers connected to that circuit had slightly "live" cases - enough to light up a neon bulb slightly, enough to feel "live" on touch when you have high-enough skin resistance, enough to show on a high-impedance digital multimeter (some 60V AC), but not enough to show on a lower-impedance multimeter of a technician the building maintenance person called in after we complained. I had to borrow them my own multimeter.

  23. Re:Not theft. by wes33 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    no it is theft; iirc the drawing of energy from the field will increase inductance (??) and somewhat decrease the power transmitted on the line (not much). I've heard tell of people using this method to light billboards and being charged with power theft ... might be just an urban legend.

    I once got quite a little jolt from touching a barbed wire fence that ran parallel to a high tension wire ... kind of like those electric fences used for animals (no current so I'm here to write about it, but plenty of volts). Speaking of urban myths (or not), I've also been told a story of someone being killed by touching a large metal pipeline that ran parallel to major power lines.

  24. It seems people have been sued for this by enosys · · Score: 4, Interesting
    A while ago I searched for info about this sort of thing online. It seems that farmers using fences or long wires to get power have been sued for it. I've even read about people who lived close to high power transmitters running fluorescent tubes from small antennas and being sued for it. This is mainly just from usenet posts but I feel there's enough info out there to show that at least some of this was real.

    I also remember one of my high school teachers talking about how he used to work for hydro and look for this sort of thing while flying in a helicopter and inspecting power lines.

    Really it shouldn't be that hard to find this sort of thing. You can just use a time domain reflectometer, and power companies have these for finding cable faults.

    1. Re:It seems people have been sued for this by MemoryAid · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Okay, you got me with the "time domain reflectometer." That sounds like something Professor Frink might mention on The Simpsons.

      Seriously, though, how about a little detail on what that does? I suppose I could Google it, but here's my guess:

      The device measures the distance along the line to an increased area of inductive load by timing the reflection of a signal from that part of the line. The helicopter then flies out that far and looks for an antenna.

      Here's another question: Why are British power companies referred to as 'hydro?' Is hydro-electric the default method of producing electricity there? Or is power transmitted around the country using high pressure hydraulic lines and then converted to electricity on site? :-)

      These questions keep me awake at night (briefly).

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    2. Re:It seems people have been sued for this by enosys · · Score: 5, Informative
      The time domain reflectometer (TDR) injects a signal into a wire and then gives you some info about reflections that happen. It essentially measures impedance along the line and so it will show anything inductive, resistive or capacitive on it.

      I'm sure a lot of people here have heard about TDRs being used to troubleshoot network cables.

      As for electric companies being called hydro, I'm in Canada (A former British colony and in the Commonwealth) and it's the same here. It really doesn't make that much sense anymore because most power comes from other sources.

    3. Re:It seems people have been sued for this by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Why are British power companies referred to as 'hydro?'

      Um, they aren't. Or if they are, I've never noticed in all my years of existence in the U.K. We also tend to have "secondary schools" not "high schools", so I'm pretty sure the grandparent poster wasn't British.

      Hydro isn't the main method of production over here in the U.K. The figures for England and Wales are:
      35% - Gas
      34% - Coal
      15% - Nuclear
      7% - Pumped Storage & Renewables
      5% - Interconnectors
      4% - Oil
      (Source: http://www.electricity.org.uk/media/documents/pdf/ Intro_UK_Elec_Ind.pdf
      There's more hydroelectric stuff in Scotland, which those figures don't cover though.

      While I'm here, the power-line in question is a major National Grid line (Melksham - Seabank / Imperial Park) carrying 400kV, with a peak power-flow of 161MW along one circuit and 481MW along the other, according to the National Grid website. Even before I saw the directions I knew where it was as it's very distinctive - most pylons in the U.K. don't look like that, they have the three phases stacked one above the other on each side of the tower. The cable configuration in the photo is usually only used for brief hops over sudden hills, as it is in this case. I wonder if the fact that it has four sets of conductors nearest the ground rather than just two was a factor in him choosing that site? (Yes, it's quite near Bristol, however there are other lines, indeed stretches of that line, that are much nearer.)

  25. Other things that fit this definition of "theft" by benjamindees · · Score: 4, Funny

    Breathing: you're taking oxygen that clearly was produced on a farm somewhere or maybe in the Amazon.

    Tinfoil hats: these devices intercept electromagnetic waves and cause transmission losses.

    Heat pumps: you didn't really think you could take all that "free" heat out of the air, did you?

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  26. Re:Electricity fun by RaymondRuptime · · Score: 3, Funny

    It'll be okay. Just reach around behind your ear and hit the degauss button.

  27. Sorry forgot the links. by MidiSaxMan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oops,sorry forgot the links, check it out yourself.
    I also forgot to mention that animals can be sensitive to ground differentials as small as 0.5 to 1 volt depending upon conditions.

    This engineer testifies under oath citing research performed by Doug Reinmann at University of Wisconsin stating those same facts.

    Doctor Reinmann's research paper can be found here
    (pdf reader required for some links)
    http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/s vmain.ht m
    http://www.strayvoltage.org/stories/index.php3? Sto ry=20010221_utility.inc

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  28. [Now OT] Re:Edible Electromagnetic Emission Art by ahoehn · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was grading papers for a college writing class the other day when I came across a paper that a student had written about measuring the speed of light using the microwaving chacolate method. At first I thought he was just making shit up, but then I looked it up on the interweb, and lo and behold, he hadn't made it up.

    Granted, he had copied his paper almost word for word from the interweb and I failed him for that, which just goes to show that it's dangerous to write papers that interest the graders.

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  29. Re:free power - DMCA violation by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny
    The power company ought to claim that the power is encrypted, and that, by not using the authorized wired delivery system, the artist is stealing.

    I am not allowed to use all the electromagnetic waves that pass thru my property.

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  30. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by glesga_kiss · · Score: 3, Informative
    Neither does ecstacy to be honest. The only study that "proved" permament damage was recently dubunked as they had done the experiment with amphetamines and not E!. Of course, the original study is still cited as proof about the "dangers" of the drug despite this (and many other papers by the same research scientist) being completely thrown out by the scientific community. FACT: Going fishing carries about the same risk of death as going out clubbing on E. Horse riding is many times more dangerous! And with all three, if you understand the risks and take precautions, you can reduce the risk of death to practically zero.

    But the parent post did mention beer. That does kill brain cells. You do it every time you get drunk. That's what drunk is; the poisioning of your brain by alcohol. And death on alcohol? Go and ask an ER doctor. Lots, never published in the news.

    Of course, when the majority of anti-drug messages are funded by the booze industry you have to laugh. I quite like the one on DrugFreeAmerica.org, telling how Ecstacy almost killed a girl, until you actually read the article and find that it was GHB. Actually, all the articles on that site are just as bad, and they seem to have been written by the same person, very similar style etc. ALL LIES I TELL YOU!! ;-)

  31. Interesting EHT effects at a power station by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    During a visit to a power station, we were shown the
    12 Mega Watt output cables. Asides from the crackling noise due to a light drizzle falling on the cables, there were other effects too.

    Having stood under the cables for a couple of minutes, I felt no adverse effect... until I started to walk away. That's when I started to get a headache...

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  32. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by afidel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since high power lines are set back from the road at least 30m in most of the US and EM falls off at the cube of the distance I think there is a BIG difference between being right under them and driving past them.

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  33. The Smell by dnahelix · · Score: 2

    ...is most likely Ozone.

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  34. Re:Power Lines have links to other Negative Effect by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not just on farms, either. Did you hear about this ("Teachers College Student Dies in Freak Accident," Columbia Daily Spectator)?

    Apparently almost 300 objects carrying stray current--metal grates, service boxes, even lamp poles--have been identified around the city since this article was written. IIRC, there was even 120 volts found to be running through a lamppost one block from Times Square. This according to the NYT.

    Just another thing to consider as you walk to work tomorrow...

    yours

  35. Re:Stealing energy-Sat TV by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if parents don't want you murdering their children and eating them for Halloween dinner, I suppose they need to stop sending their little ghosts and princesses up to your front door? Sorry, I don't buy it.

  36. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 2, Informative

    So you're telling me that the electric pole that has the poles going in my property (backyard) contains power that I own? -- That I can legally tap into it even if I don't pay my electric bill, simply because one of the power polls sit within my backyard?

    If the power company does not have an easement (aka right of way) to transmit power across your property, then their power lines are trespassing, in which case you COULD argue that you have the right to that power. The easement would have been arranged with whoever owned that backyard at ther time the poles were erected. If you didn't check out the land title before you bought it - tough luck.

    In the case of the farmer - I'm sure the power company has its paperwork in order so the power belongs to the lines transmission operator, not the landowner.
    In the case of some satelite TV company, they definitely do NOT have an agreement to broadcast their signal through my property, therefore I own whatever radiation enters my house.

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  37. Re:electromagnetic waves kill also brain cells by e144539 · · Score: 2, Informative

    EMF from a linear source (powerline) falls off at R^-2.
    I wish I could mod that up
    Inverse Square Law, General
    "Any point source which spreads its influence equally in all directions without a limit to its range will obey the inverse square law. This comes from strictly geometrical considerations. The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law."