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China Sending Two People Into Space

henrypijames writes "As reported widely in Chinese media, China has began production of and launch preparations for it's new Shenzhou ("divine ship") 6 spaceship. While being roughly equal in design to Shenzhou 5 which sent the first Chinese into space last year (although having capacity for three persons), Shenzhou 6 is supposed to carry two "Taikonaut" next year."

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  1. Re:chinee by Buster+Chan · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Your offensive, racist comment, should not have been moderated "Funny."

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  2. Good for manned spaceflights by October_30th · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Excellent.

    Hopefully this will revive the manned spaceflight programs all over the world, preferably in the form of true collaboration and not just let's-all-keep-reinventing-the-wheel kind of silly competition.

    We need to get off this planet sooner or later and unmanned probes won't do that.

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    1. Re:Good for manned spaceflights by magarity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      preferably in the form of true collaboration and not just let's-all-keep-reinventing-the-wheel kind of silly competition

      Let's see... collaboration came up with the ISS, an over budget, behind schedule, understaffed white elephant. Competition put men on the moon in less than 10 years from (almost) scratch.

    2. Re:Good for manned spaceflights by Greeneland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Consider the fact that ISS will also vanish totally not long after it finally gets finished.

  3. Me-too technology by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I'd be more impressed if China managed to provide a decent standard of living for all of its billion+ population. This is just me-too technology, the USSR did it (and its population suffered as a result, since it wasn't a rich country), the USA did it and more (and its population paid the price in taxes, but it could afford it, being a truly rich country), and now China is about to do just like the USSR and further starve its population to go up-diddly-up-up and perform stunts to impress other countries and amaze the press.

    They're a bunch of circus clown, and putting priorities like that above their nation's welfare shows how much Chinese leaders are disconnected with the reality of their country.

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    1. Re:Me-too technology by Aardpig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're a bunch of circus clown, and putting priorities like that above their nation's welfare shows how much Chinese leaders are disconnected with the reality of their country.

      Here goes my karma, but its worth pointing out that exactly the same allegations can be levelled at the current administration of the USA. How precisely has the expenditiure of over $100 billion for the war in Iraq helped the nation's welfare?

      Certainly, the war it may have advanced the geopolitical goals of the administration -- much like China's space race will advance the geopolitical goals of their administration. However, the war has done nothing to advance the USA's welfare.

      I'm very much in favour of China's forays into space; I think the USA can only benefit from having a competitor in space. Its not coincidence that the US manned space program has declined heavily since the height of the cold war.

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    2. Re:Me-too technology by dalutong · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As someone who grew up in China I have some insight into the welfare of the Chinese people. In short: it could get a lot better. But that doesn't mean China shouldn't go into space.

      We went to war during the great depression. A war that wasn't directly against us (until Pearl Harbor). Should we have? We had millions of starving Americans.

      When we went into space we still had people without jobs and without food. Today we have people without jobs and without food. Why are we doing anything but feeding them?

      Because that's not how economies work. If China can develop a computer industry jobs will come. If china can develop a science industry jobs will come.

      If China just spent its time trying to feed its people then no one would get fed and the government would collapse. You have to make the economy boom and then move on from there. For instance, people are doing a hell of a lot better today then they were in 1979 or even ten years ago. Why? Because China invested in its markets and in its economy and in its peoples sense of national pride.

      BTW, China is nothing like the USSR. The USSR never had the world's fastest growing major economy. It certainly never had it for years running as China has.

      China can afford going to space. They shouldn't get consumed by it; but I doubt that is what is happening. There is still a lot more money outside the space race than inside the space race.

      So they are paying a little for some national pride, so what?

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    3. Re:Me-too technology by gloth · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The USA did it and more, [...] but it could afford it, being a truly rich country.

      I hope you realize that there's more people in the US today without medical insurance than there were in the USSR during the space race? That there's now more people in the US not receiving a reasonable education than in the USSE back then?

      It's your "We're awesome, so we have the right to kick ass, everyone else doesn't really deserve it" attitude that made the US a lot of enemies...

      Oh, and before you mod this as flamebait, maybe at least try to make an effort to prove me wrong!

    4. Re:Me-too technology by zeux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The space program could have a good return on the Chinese living standard. This pumps government money in the economy, accelerates progress and gives the citizens a 'pride'.

      The space program is not a lot of money in comparison of the government budget. It wouldn't improve life of the citizens much anyway.

      And the USA is doing the same financing a very expensive war with a very bad budget and huge dept. Read my sig to understand the effect of the national debt.

    5. Re:Me-too technology by Anonymovs+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      the USA did it and more (and its population paid the price in taxes, but it could afford it, being a truly rich country)

      Yeah, tell that to the chap sleeping on the streets outside my doorstep, the people begging on the subway, the wretched homes in the Bronx and New Jersey, people living in shantytowns all over the midwest, south, etc.

      Oh yes, "welfare" is only a dirty word if the US Government says about it, no?

      Really -- assuming you're an american and have been brought up in the American way of thinking -- do you seriously think the government can "provide" a standard of living to a billion people? No government has that kind of money. You improve the standard of living by stimulating the economy and creating jobs. You do that, in part, by spurring science and technological research. The post-war defence and space programmes are a big reason for the US's economic superpower status today. (You also need a market economy, which the USSR didn't have, but China's developing one.)

    6. Re:Me-too technology by Aardpig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, there's that whole Saddam thing and the disbanding of a major terrorist ring, but that's got nothing to do with a nation's welfare.

      A putative link between Saddam and al-Qaida has yet to be proven. You obviously have obediently swallowed all the crap that the administration has been pumping out. You fool.

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  4. FYI space programs = nuke programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK I know I'm gonna get labeled as a troll, but I still think the fact is that Kennedy's race to the moon had nothing to do with the desire for space exploration and everything to do with advancing and keeping one up on ICMB technology. The space program was just a nice side effect. The same could even be said of the hubble telescope, where I hear they have 6 of them up there, but rather than pointing up are pointing down as spy telescopes.
    Now the same is true of China. They wanted space weapons cababilities, so they created a space program. It has more to do with Tiwan than space, and the US mission to Marz and the new recent push back into space has from Bush has more to do with China than any real interest or value they see in space.
    I'm sorry, but that's just the way it is.

  5. Re:chinee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny? I know I'm not the first to speak up, as I have been beaten to the punch, but still--where do the moderators get off moderating this racist drivel as being funny? Mod me as a troll or redundant or whatever other crap you may, but when things like racism are funny while standing up for a sense of respect and tolerance for other cultures goes unnoticed or is determined to be trolling... that's just sad.

  6. Re:Uh Oh ... by Aardpig · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You know those Chinese multiply like rabbits: 2, 4, 8, 16 ...

    If you were well-informed enough to hear of the Chinese one-child policy, you would have written "1, 1, 1, 1, 1...". And even then, you'd be leaving out all the instances where children were killed because they were girls.

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  7. Re:Yay... go china.... by Blaskowicz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    bah!
    Russia has a 40-year-old soyouz, China has the most advanced manned space ship.. and America has NOTHING to put man into space!! only useless shuttles that are a dysmal failure.

  8. Re:Why Taikonaut ? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 3, Insightful
    First, why should their job title need to mention their nationality?

    Maybe it's because nationalism is the primary motivation for manned space missions?

  9. Re:chinee by krumms · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I swear I witness so many bad chineese drivers, and I know some guys from China who agree with me on this one. They just don't know how to drive and when they cause some problem or an accident they don't even understand why it was their fault. There are other bad drivers too, but I most of the ones I see are Chineese

    Yeah. All "Chineese" are bad drivers. Though I'd bet my last dollar that they could write in their native language better than you write in yours.

    Now, you can moderate this as much as you want, but I take a stand, this is my imperical evidence.

    You mean "empirical" right? And how is the act of "taking a stand" empirical evidence?

    Oh wait, it's just your fucked up grammar.

  10. Thank you, america! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Post about china and watch how american act like americans on slashdot.

    I'm not only from europe, no, I'm also deeply impressed by your "funny" (+5, Troll) and your "Insightful" (+5, Flamebait) posts.

    Truly a great moment for the american karma and how the rest of the world shall interpret it.

  11. Re:Yay for variety.. by Siphre · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Maybe the Russians should focus on stable economy and try to stop government corruption. Maybe they should turn their efforts towards ratifying the Kyoto accord. Maybe the U.S. should focus their funds on 27 million children that still live below the poverty line instead of maintaining their nuclear stockpiles or stop destroying countries then giving them 87 billion dollars. Maybe the U.S. should reform their foreign policy to be compassionate and open. Maybe the European Union can focus on treating less developed countries, that were formally colonized by them, would treat them fairly and give them preferential treatment on imports. Give them an economic break and forgive their debt load. Maybe we should make this world a better place before we leave? Maybe not...

  12. -1, Troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Give me a break, moderators

  13. Re:China Sending Two People Into Space by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    true, true.. but I've never heard Chinese claiming they're the "land of the free" or they have "best democracy"... and I've never heard Chinese trying to teach the others about human rights, free trade etc.

  14. Re:chinee by krumms · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How the hell do you figure that English is my first language, asshole? Russian and Ukrainian are though, so fuck off, ok?

    Oh, well that explains it then. You see, my empirical evidence seems to indicate that those with a Ukrainian background have terrible difficulty spelling "Chinese" and "empirical", and sometimes just darn well fuck up sentences all together!

    Honestly dude, you're making sweeping generalizations as to a person's driving ability with respect to their race. People are people. Some people can drive well, others frequently fuck up. Some people can spell the names of the race they're trying to insult, others frequently fuck up.

    So what's your deal?

  15. "Divine ship" eh? by be-fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For a supposedly atheist country?

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  16. Re:this is why i hate slashdot.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    yes, quite.

    start raving about you much you love islam and bombs - let's see how free your speech really is.

  17. Good Point, But... by Vagary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good point, although the reason the US enacted the embargos was because they were planning for the inevitability of war with Japan. It could also be argued that the embargos were effectively an act of war just as OPEC cutting off US oil supply would be today.

    And Yamamoto's intention was that Pearl Harbor would destabilize and demoralize the US enough that when they entered the war they would not be able to quickly pose a threat. The reason he was authorized to do this was because of the embargo.

  18. Re:Let me get this straight... by ErikZ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ever hear of inflation?

    25 billion in 1963 dollars is 143 billion in 2002 dollars.

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  19. Re:Yay for variety.. by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you wait to solve all problems before exploring further, you never end up exploring further - EVER.

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  20. From the Chinese constitution. by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I. The Constitutional System

    The Constitution is the fundamental law of the state.

    The existing Constitution was adopted for implementation by the 5th Session of the 5th National People's Congress on December 4, 1982. Amendments were made to the Constitution respectively at the 1st Session of the 7th National People's Congress on April 12, 1988, the 1st Session of the 8th National People's Congress on March 29, 1993 and the 2nd Session of the 9th National People's Congress on March 15, 1999.

    I. Major stipulations in the Constitution in regard to China's political system

    1. Major political principles in China

    (1) The Communist Party of China is the country's sole political party in power.

    The People's Republic of China was founded by the Communist Party of China which is the leader of the Chinese people.

    (2) The socialist system

    The socialist system led by the working class and based on the alliance of the workers and farmers is the fundamental system of the People's Republic of China

    (3) All rights belong to the people

    All the power in the country belongs to the people who exercise their power through the National People's Congress and local people's congresses at all levels.

    The people manage the state, economy, culture and other social affairs through a multitude of means and forms.

    (4) The fundamental task and goals of the state

    To concentrate on the socialist modernization drive along the road of building socialism with Chinese characteristics; to adhere to the socialist road, persist in the reform and opening up program, improve the socialist system in all aspects, develop the market economy, expand democracy, and improve the rule of law; to be self-reliance and work hard to gradually realize the modernization of the industry, agriculture, national defense, science and technology so as to build China into a strong and democratic socialist country with a high degree of cultural development.

    (5) Democratic centralism

    The organizational principle for the state organs is democratic centralism.

    (6) The armed forces of the people

    The armed forces of the People's Republic of China belong to the people.

    The tasks of the armed forces are to consolidate national defense, resist invasion, defend the country, safeguard the people in their peaceful work and life, take part in the country's economic construction and strive to serves the people.

    (7) To govern the country through the rule of law

    All individuals, political parties and social organizations must abide by the Constitution in all their actions and shall not be privileged to be above the Constitution or the law.

    All acts in violation of the Constitution and law must be investigated.

    The rule of law is practiced to build China into a socialist country with the rule of law.

    (8) The system of ethnic regional autonomy

    All ethnic groups are equal.

    All prejudice and oppression against any ethnic group is forbidden. All behaviors harmful to ethnic unity and aimed at ethnic separation are forbidden.

    2. The position and rights of the citizen in the political life of the country

    (1) All citizens are equal before the law.

    (2) The right to vote and stand for election

    All citizens who have reached the age of 18 have the right to vote and stand for election, regardless of ethnic status, race, sex, occupation, family background, religious belief, education, property status or length of residence, except persons deprived of political rights according to law.

    (3) The freedom of speech and thought

    All citizens enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, or assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration

    (4) The freedom of religious belief

    Citizens enjoy the freedom of religious belief.

    No state organ, public organization or individual may compel citizens to believe in, or not to believe in, any religion.

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  21. 27 million children is not possible! by bluGill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simple Math: about 300 million people in the US total. (280 or 297 or something as of the last census) 27 is about 30. Now divide that out: 1 in 10 people in the US is a child living in poverty. For the sake of ease in math lets assume that the current life expectancy is 80 (it is about 76 last I checked) and define child as anyone 20 or less (close enough to 18). Which means 1 in 4 people in the US is a child. Combine that with 1 in 10, and that means half the children in the US are living in poverty! (Yes I rounded, but there is a spike in the US population of the baby boomer years, so rounding down to 1/2 makes more sense than up 1/3 in this case)

    In short: I don't believe your numbers. They just don't fit in with the US I know.

  22. Nothing "sad" about it! by solarrhino · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Great link, but be sure to read the whole article. At the end of the second page:
    President Bush is right. The space shuttle and the space station deserve termination. The true heart of his proposal is the elimination of these programs, and the substitution of robotic exploration. We will look before we leap--that is, fly telescopes built for visible, infrared, ultraviolet, microwave, x-ray, and gamma ray wavelengths--to see what we can see from Earth orbit. Then we will send robots to explore whatever robots can explore. Hold back on the astronauts until we have goals that need them. Let science be the guide, rather than a presumed human need to step off the surface of the Earth.

    Some people will say I am too optimistic, that I am reading too much in between the lines. I think I am just ignoring the headlines to read the actual lines themselves. President Bush gave us a great plan. Let's recognize that and go with it. But let's be careful to make sure that politicians and bureaucrats do not hijack President Bush's wonderful vision of robotic space exploration and degrade it into a listless program that merely launches astronauts to places where telescopes and probes could do a safer, quicker, better, and cheaper job.

    Finally! Somebody gets it! Heaving humans into the heavens is mostly vanity. Instead, let's use the tools that we've created and explore every possible corner of this solar system as quickly, safely, and cheaply as possible!
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  23. Re:Yay for variety.. by juniorkindergarten · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well that was the arguement for cutting back the space program years ago. Focus on domestic issues, spend the money on domestic problems.
    Unfortunately nothing has changed, but you currently enjoy the benefits of the space program, such as that computer you're currently typing on. How about a more efficient care (computer controlled fuel injection). How about better communications?
    As for the Russians, tell me there isn't instances of corruption in any democracy? Hm? The Russians are only a short time into a democracy in comparison to the US, "stability" takes time. Ans speaking of economies, there is no such thing as a stable economy per se, as an economy is constantly in a state of flux - new ideas constantly change the financial landscape
    Maybe the US should ratify Kyoto, since they effectivly killed it.
    Sure lets turn the US into the world's largest welfare state - I'll bet you bitch come tax time, and I'll bet you'd bitch even louder if your taxes went up.
    If you don't like US foreign policy vote for a different president.
    If the US stopped meddling in other people's countries to serve their own self interest the world would be a better place.

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  24. Re:Iraq by Poligraf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One problem with the modern American mentality (as I find it) is inability to think long term.

    It looks like fscked lawyers affected not just the corporate policies (where blowing a couple of thousand employees after a bad quarter is pretty much necessary in order to avoid getting sued by vultures like this: http://www.wfu.edu/users/palmitar/Courses/SecReg-P almiter/Handout/Articles/Elkind-Lerach-King-Dead.h tm ).

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  25. fuzzy math? by univgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If 1 in 10 ppl in the US is a 'child in poverty', that makes approx 27 million children in poverty. Why go through the rest of the math? You seem to be taking the fraction of the answer itself.

    And why is this figure a problem if there are only 70 million children in the US ?( source. Mostly poor people have more children than rich people, which is why you will have more than half the children in poverty.

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  26. Re:chinee by Sivaram_Velauthapill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I swear I witness so many bad chineese drivers, and I know some guys from China who agree with me on this one.

    You know... the #1 way to propagate discrimination is by claiming that you know some guys who fit into the particular group in question and who say the same thing. That neither advances your argument nor does it make it right! What people--even those that belong to the group--say is totally irrelevant. This is true because some people are self-haters or feel subordinate to others (A good example are some blacks who were actually brainwashed to believe that they were inferior to whites in the 50's).

    All blacks are dumb because I know some blacks who say so.
    All whites are warmongers because I know some whites who say so.
    All Asians are selfish because I know some who say so.
    All women are idiots because some women admit it.
    All Americans are dumb because I know some Americans who say so.
    All Canadians are stupid because I know some who admit it.
    All Latinos are criminals because I know some Latinos who agree with me on this one.
    All Russians are corrupt because I know some Russians who agree with me on this one.
    All Jews are greedy because I know some Jews who agree with me.
    All Christians are dumb because I know some who agree with me.
    ...


    I hope you see what I mean...

    Sivaram Velauthapillai

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