Posted by
CmdrTaco
on from the gotta-reinstall-every-month-or-two-anyway dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Looks like Microsoft changed their minds and are planning a new OS release before Longhorn. They are calling it XP Reloaded."
Re:and in other news
by
Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 5, Informative
"Reloaded" is just an internal designation. It will most likely be released under a different name in order to avoid lawsuits.
Probably good for Linux
by
Random+BedHead+Ed
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· Score: 5, Informative
An interim release between XP service pack 2 and Longhorn indicates that Longhorn is going the way of Chicago and NT 5.0. Those, if you'll recall, were overly-hyped software releases that were delayed... and delayed. And delayed.
And delayed. Point is, to me this indicates that Longhorn's release date just became slightly more tentative than it was before. Which is a good thing for alternative operating systems like the growing and ever-improving GNU/Linux.
And in the short term it's a good thing for Microsoft, as some people are likely to fork over the $100 (or whatever) upgrade.
a full release not really needed
by
Tumbleweed
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· Score: 4, Informative
Look, everyone knows (or should, by now) that the only part of XP that really NEEDS overhauling is IE. After the new stuff coming up in SP2 (security fixes, software firewall, built-in antivirus, etc.), that'll _still_ be the only thing that needs an overhaul. A popup blocker in IE with SP2 isn't going to cure the REAL ills of IE, namely, horrid CSS & PNG support. Merely fixing those two things would get me to buy an XP upgrade. As a web designer/developer, that is my number one, EVERY DAY biggest obstacle to computing happiness. Where do I want to go today, Microsoft asks. I want to go to that happy land where IE properly & fully supports CSS 1 & 2 & PNG. Is that so much to ask? Hell, just properly implementing what you started in the original IE 6 would be enough!
Screw Fermat's Last Theorem. MS spending time adding a _popup blocker_ to IE when the PNG & CSS issues remain is the biggest mystery of our time. If they add tabs and _still_ don't fix CSS & PNG, I'm gonna totally lose it.
Re:This reminds me of...
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presearch
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· Score: 3, Informative
Actually, it was Butt Head Astronomer (BHA).
Re:I saw the XP BSOD Today...
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Tim+C
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· Score: 4, Informative
How old were the machines? Bought new around the time that the respective OSes were released?
It may be a hardware problem - dodgy RAM, something overheating, etc. Seriously, it might be an idea to open the machine up, clean all the fans, heatsinks, etc, and take a look. Actually investigate the problem, rather than just shrugging and saying "Windows, huh?".
"Classic experience" desktop is equivalent to W2K
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 3, Informative
Please tell me the Longhorn desktop is NOT going to be 3D only, with no 2D acceleration. I mean, I have no problem with a desktop having lots of 3D effects for people who like them, but at least give us the chance to TURN THE DAMN CHROME OFF!
There WILL be a desktop option that is "equivalent" to Windows 2000, but I'm not sure if it will be available to ALL Longhorn users. This page from Microsoft's Windows Hardware and Driver Central site describes three different desktop "experiences" for Longhorn, each with different graphics requirements: Graphics Hardware and Drivers for Windows "Longhorn" (Updated: November 25, 2003)
Here's an exerpt from that page:
For Longhorn, graphics requirements for desktop experiences are defined in relation to differentiated experiences:
Aero Glass experience: Delivers the full-featured Longhorn user experience on the desktop, including support for 3D graphics and animation.
Aero experience: Delivers the minimum hardware acceleration and desktop composition for the Longhorn user experience.
Classic experience: Equivalent to Windows 2000 capabilities, using software rendering.
I'm still uncertain whether or not the "Classic experience" (Windows 2000 equivalent) will be available to ALL Longhorn users. Microsoft's slideshow at WinHEC (May 2003) seems to indicate that a "Windows 2000 compatability mode" will only be available to "enterprises that desire this option." Here's that slide describing the different desktop experiences: Longhorn User Experience
Re:Doing away with 2D acceleration?
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CTho9305
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· Score: 3, Informative
Did you know that for ages, video cards have done 2d acceleration?
Waiting for longhorn, EH?
by
Coventry
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· Score: 4, Informative
Microsoft was already planning on a 64-bit release of XP, and even has a beta you can download and test if you have an Opteron or Athlon64 machine. Thus, my question is: why were you planning on waiting for Longhorn? Was it a lack of interest in paying for a 64-bit version of an existing OS, or just a lack of knowle3dge that a 64-bit version was comming?
Honestly though, anyone who is surprised by the anouncement of a XP2 needs to pay more attention: with the delays in Longhorn and the delays of sp2, with the added functiuonality of sp2, I've been expecting a XP second edition to be anounced for over 6 months. It's par for course after 98SE and ME. The release of 64-bit platforms just adds another excuse to the pile of reasons to push a new version out the door - I doubt we'll see commercial releases of regular XP for 64-bit now, regardless of the beta program. Oh, and the 64-bit version will be more secure, thanks to the support for non executable memory pages on AMD64 (and later, intel 'IA32e', which is the SAME THING).
64-bit XP download: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp
Note: its a 'customer preview' (Beta), it may crash a lot, and you may have fun finding native 64 bit drivers for your hardware, so only install on a test partition, don't use it in production or while drinking, blah blah blah - if you shoot your dog in the head with it, I won't be held responsible - and neither will MS.
Windows Server 2003 is also available in a 64-bit preview: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver20 03/64bit/e xtended/default.mspx
Same warnings apply as above.
And no, this post was not spell checked.
-- man is machine
Re:Gotta keep the upgrade revenues...
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Accipiter
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· Score: 3, Informative
sounds more like 98SE to me (that one was free, btw).
No. Windows 98 Second Edition was NOT a free upgrade. You could download the fixes and patches, but any new features were only available if you bought the 98SE retail box.
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Geolocation isn't perfect
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tepples
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· Score: 3, Informative
They're on the site and from (e.g.) Belgium, so they need to click the link...but, if 'the choice has been taken away', how exactly did they get there?
IPv4 address geolocation works... sometimes. Lindows.com visitors in BeNeLux that don't get redirected to Lin---s.com are legally obligated to click through that link.
Re:Windows XP - Millenium Edition
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EvilTwinSkippy
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· Score: 4, Informative
...Nobody's talking about replacing the XP kernel...
Um, that would be longhorn.
-- "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
This is, actually, the version numbering used
by
CrystalFalcon
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· Score: 4, Informative
This is actually the scheme used, except the third number is the build number. This is a huge number that increments every day, but is exactly what you propose, in a sense: each day sees many small fixes and increments to the code base.
What Marketing calls "Windows XP" internally carries the product name "Windows" and the version number "5.1.2600".
One will note that this reveals that Windows XP is considered a minor release from Windows 2k, which was 5.0.2195.
"Reloaded" is just an internal designation. It will most likely be released under a different name in order to avoid lawsuits.
And delayed. Point is, to me this indicates that Longhorn's release date just became slightly more tentative than it was before. Which is a good thing for alternative operating systems like the growing and ever-improving GNU/Linux.
And in the short term it's a good thing for Microsoft, as some people are likely to fork over the $100 (or whatever) upgrade.
Look, everyone knows (or should, by now) that the only part of XP that really NEEDS overhauling is IE. After the new stuff coming up in SP2 (security fixes, software firewall, built-in antivirus, etc.), that'll _still_ be the only thing that needs an overhaul. A popup blocker in IE with SP2 isn't going to cure the REAL ills of IE, namely, horrid CSS & PNG support. Merely fixing those two things would get me to buy an XP upgrade. As a web designer/developer, that is my number one, EVERY DAY biggest obstacle to computing happiness. Where do I want to go today, Microsoft asks. I want to go to that happy land where IE properly & fully supports CSS 1 & 2 & PNG. Is that so much to ask? Hell, just properly implementing what you started in the original IE 6 would be enough!
Screw Fermat's Last Theorem. MS spending time adding a _popup blocker_ to IE when the PNG & CSS issues remain is the biggest mystery of our time. If they add tabs and _still_ don't fix CSS & PNG, I'm gonna totally lose it.
Actually, it was Butt Head Astronomer (BHA).
How old were the machines? Bought new around the time that the respective OSes were released?
It may be a hardware problem - dodgy RAM, something overheating, etc. Seriously, it might be an idea to open the machine up, clean all the fans, heatsinks, etc, and take a look. Actually investigate the problem, rather than just shrugging and saying "Windows, huh?".
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Here's an exerpt from that page:
I'm still uncertain whether or not the "Classic experience" (Windows 2000 equivalent) will be available to ALL Longhorn users. Microsoft's slideshow at WinHEC (May 2003) seems to indicate that a "Windows 2000 compatability mode" will only be available to "enterprises that desire this option." Here's that slide describing the different desktop experiences: Longhorn User Experience
Did you know that for ages, video cards have done 2d acceleration?
My server
Microsoft was already planning on a 64-bit release of XP, and even has a beta you can download and test if you have an Opteron or Athlon64 machine. Thus, my question is: why were you planning on waiting for Longhorn? Was it a lack of interest in paying for a 64-bit version of an existing OS, or just a lack of knowle3dge that a 64-bit version was comming?
s /upgrade.asp
0 03/64bit/e xtended/default.mspx
Honestly though, anyone who is surprised by the anouncement of a XP2 needs to pay more attention: with the delays in Longhorn and the delays of sp2, with the added functiuonality of sp2, I've been expecting a XP second edition to be anounced for over 6 months. It's par for course after 98SE and ME. The release of 64-bit platforms just adds another excuse to the pile of reasons to push a new version out the door - I doubt we'll see commercial releases of regular XP for 64-bit now, regardless of the beta program. Oh, and the 64-bit version will be more secure, thanks to the support for non executable memory pages on AMD64 (and later, intel 'IA32e', which is the SAME THING).
64-bit XP download: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/download
Note: its a 'customer preview' (Beta), it may crash a lot, and you may have fun finding native 64 bit drivers for your hardware, so only install on a test partition, don't use it in production or while drinking, blah blah blah - if you shoot your dog in the head with it, I won't be held responsible - and neither will MS.
Windows Server 2003 is also available in a 64-bit preview:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2
Same warnings apply as above.
And no, this post was not spell checked.
man is machine
sounds more like 98SE to me (that one was free, btw).
No. Windows 98 Second Edition was NOT a free upgrade. You could download the fixes and patches, but any new features were only available if you bought the 98SE retail box.
-- Give him Head? Be a Beacon? :P)
(If you can't figure out how to E-Mail me, Don't.
They're on the site and from (e.g.) Belgium, so they need to click the link...but, if 'the choice has been taken away', how exactly did they get there?
IPv4 address geolocation works ... sometimes. Lindows.com visitors in BeNeLux that don't get redirected to Lin---s.com are legally obligated to click through that link.
Um, that would be longhorn.
"Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival."
--Dr.W.Edwards Deming
This is actually the scheme used, except the third number is the build number. This is a huge number that increments every day, but is exactly what you propose, in a sense: each day sees many small fixes and increments to the code base.
What Marketing calls "Windows XP" internally carries the product name "Windows" and the version number "5.1.2600".
One will note that this reveals that Windows XP is considered a minor release from Windows 2k, which was 5.0.2195.