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Utah Leads the Way Toward RFID Privacy Legislation

An anonymous reader writes "Wired News reports that Utah's House of Representatives passed the first-ever RFID privacy bill this week, 47-23. Utah state Rep. David Hogue said that without laws to ensure consumer privacy, retailers will be tempted to match the data gathered by RFID readers with consumers' personal information. 'The RFID industry will carry the technology as far as they can,' said Hogue, sponsor of the Radio Frequency Identification Right to Know Act. 'Marketing people especially are going to love this kind of stuff.'"

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  1. Doubt it will last by synergy3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Has RFID users formed their own lobby yet? Retailers have their own. Notice how powerful Walmart is in that respect. They will just lobby the US Congress to create an over-riding law allowing RFIDs to be used as the retailers see fit. Vote smarter next time around and everyone vote!

  2. cool by FoogyFoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A tech law in advance of the tech.
    That's the way it should be, rather than trying to throw together a hack job after the tech has been around for a while.

    1. Re:cool by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If only the proper legislation had been in place before "Ugh! Mog invent wheel!". We could have completely avoided the greatest threat to western civilization: Parking Meters!

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  3. hi. I'm Troy McClure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    hi. I'm Troy McClure. You might remember me from such RFID-paranoia movies as "1984 mhz" and "My Radio Receiver Knows what you Did Last Summer"

  4. Bush's cronies... by YanceyAI · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Wait. You're saying that I could get one of these little buggers and stick it on someone and know exactly where they are? I'm more worried about the Bush administration's ideas for using this technology than I am about Wal-Mart's. Though I don't want them tracking me either.

    I mean who wants your retailer to know when you buy condoms or somethng equally personal. Really, technologically speaking, we are not far from the thought police at all.

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    1. Re:Bush's cronies... by el-spectre · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Incidently... having been a cashier for a bit I can tell you: No one cares when you buy personal kinds of stuff. You wanna buy condoms? Go for it... most people have sex, it's not a big secret. Other than mild amusement when a giggly couple comes thru buying wine and rubbers, I never gave a damn.

      One exception, though: Couple cam thru buying wine, condoms, KY, straight razors, rubbing alcohol (!!!), and nothing else. Had a funny look in their eyes... I don't know what they were up to, but the alcohol and razors STILL makes me shudder.

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    2. Re:Bush's cronies... by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      he said technologivally, were not far from the thought police.

      Perhaps you have some condoms in your pocket. then every where there is a rfid rader, there is someone who knows what is in you pocket.

      You go to the story to buy a couple of things, then suddenly the cart announces there is a sale on condoms. now everyone know you have condoms.

      Or perhaps you hacve some mdication you would rather someone didn't know about?
      Walk into an interview, and the company know you take diabetis medication. well, better hire someone else because of the insurance risk.

      Your in a town that is run by a religeon, and you have some material on you that would be 'against the rules'. suddenly your life just got a lot harder.

      the CIA won't have to follow us if the readers are every where, would they?

      no they can't read you mind, but they tell the world what you own, and people will infer there own reasons why you would own them. And believe me, nobody is going to infer anything positive.

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    3. Re:Bush's cronies... by saforrest · · Score: 4, Funny

      One exception, though: Couple cam thru buying wine, condoms, KY, straight razors, rubbing alcohol (!!!), and nothing else. Had a funny look in their eyes... I don't know what they were up to, but the alcohol and razors STILL makes me shudder.

      A friend of mine was participating in a scavenger hunt once. He went to the local Canadian Tire (basically a hardware store, for non-Canadians) with another friend, who happened to be female, and bought, among several things I can't recall, a box of condoms, a lot of Coke, a duck decoy, a for-emergency-use-only CO2 bicycle pump, and a hockey goalie mask.

      The cashier gave them a very strange look as they left.

  5. Stop fighting it. by Hayzeus · · Score: 4, Funny
    As good consumers we should welcome the departure of out privacy. It is, after all, a fair trade-off given the great (and personalized!) deals we'll all get in return. So let's all just relax and "go with the flow", shall we?

    Thanx for listening,

    Consumer 0556672GXX89F2

  6. But what about Orrin Hatch... by barfy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nice for them... Now if they can control what thier senator wants to do on a national level then we can talk...

  7. Marketing people really are awful by ZuperDee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wrote a letter to NewEgg, asking them to stop using HTTP Referrer on their site, because I thought it a privacy concern. Their response: "Unfortunately the HTTP Referrer Header cannot be eliminated because it is an essential tool for our Marketing Department used to monitor where we are getting our web traffic from so that we can improve future campaigns to focus on more specific demographics. Please accept our humblest apologies for any inconvenience." I have tried not to shop at NewEgg ever since, because the idea of gathering information on my web viewing habits WITHOUT informing me, and without my consent, really does bother me.

    My main point here though is that this is just one example of how marketing people will do ANYTHING to gather information about people. Without a privacy policy, I think the folks in Utah are right, things like RFID will be used to gather personal information about consumers.

    1. Re:Marketing people really are awful by t_allardyce · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually your HTTP Referrer is sent by your browser by its own choice, you can turn it off, and in some browsers even have it smartly decide when to send the referrer and when to keep quiet, it can also send a 'fake' address based on the current one to allow leeching etc.

      An RFID tag on the other hand is more like a trojan condom/malware/spyware etc.

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    2. Re:Marketing people really are awful by claar · · Score: 5, Informative

      For your particular example, why not just turn off sending referrer information in your browser? The prefbar has a nice check box that lets you turn off sending referrer whenever you like.

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  8. Voter issues by nuggz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Complain all you want, but when voters care, issues happen.

    My uninformed opinion of Utah is that there attitude is kinda like.
    "We protect our own, you outsiders go away"

    Note that there is interest from California, and Massachusetts.
    They point out the Senator from Massachusetts sponsored an antispam bill. Even if the bill wasn't perfect, it did pass, and at least he is trying to do something. Perhaps with the right help he can do better with RFID?

    1. Re:Voter issues by BWJones · · Score: 4, Informative

      Utah has given the tech world many advances, Novell, WordPerfect, Altiris etc.

      So, despite the drawbacks of living in Utah, it turns out that Utah is actually one of those stealth components to technology. The University of Utah in particular has been a powerhouse in computer graphics and has produced doctorates from such folks as John Warnock (founder of Adobe), David Evans and Ivan Sutherland (Evans & Sutherland), Tom Stockham who created the field of digital recording, Alan Kay (Xerox PARC and developer of the GUI), now a fellow at Apple computer, Alan Ashton (founder of Wordperfect), Henri Gourard (creator of Gourard shading), Ed Catmul (co founder of Pixar), Jim Clark (co founder founder of Silicon Graphics and Netscape).

      I have been quite surprised at the depth of the CS program here and we are working with a number of folks on projects that have great interdisciplinary potential. And it turns out that Utah is a pretty good place to live if you like the outdoors and such.

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  9. Laws need to include all future forms of tracking. by SpudB0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why come out with a new law each time there is a new form of technology? Just make it illegal to use ANY electronic database to surreptitiously track people. This can include facial recognition, RFID, gait recognition, electronic nose systems, cell phone triangulation, licence plate OCR, or any possible unforseen technological advances.

  10. I NEVER thought I'd say this... by Bradee-oh! · · Score: 4, Funny

    but unless others follow suit, I now have a reason to move to...

    Utah...

    *shudders*

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    1. Re:I NEVER thought I'd say this... by 36526542DD · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As a Utahn who absolutely loves living here and raising his family here, I have to agree.

      So many people move to Utah (usually from California as far as this post is concerned) because it's a great family-oriented place to live, and the first thing they do when they get here is complain that there isn't enough alcohol (the greatest source of child abuse and spouse abuse ever known to man), gambling (the greatest source of wasted lives ever known to man), and that everything is closed on Sunday (because people are at church or home spending time with their families, which is the reason you moved to this family-oriented state in the first place, isn't it?).

      The same road that brought you in will take you back out, and have fun in California!

      Utah: A great place to live, despite many efforts by outsiders to make it otherwise...

  11. The real issue with RF ID is jobs by MountainLogic · · Score: 4, Interesting
    While the marketoids will try to mine the tags, I do not think that privacy is the biggest problem with RFID. Why is wallmart pushing for the tags so hard? To eliminate labor. Labor is one of their biggest costs. With the tags in place they can eliminate the checkout people, you push your cart through the scanner and up pops your bill on the ATM pad. This also allows them to keep track of what sells and when. With some scanners between each department they can find misplaced items that customers put back on the wrong rack. This would also all but eliminate employee thieft. Only jobs left will be the greeter at the enterace and security at the exit. They have already outsourced janitorial services to fight unionization and I'm sure they'l do the same with a restocking crew and rent-a-cop.

    In some ways this is the ultamate offshoring of a service job. The labor of checkout clerk is moved to the chip factory where the tage is made and the shoe factory where the tag is inserted.

  12. what's the problem? by bani · · Score: 4, Informative

    mozilla and other browsers allow you to control the referrer sent to sites.

    you can make it lie and say you were referred by h0t-chixx0r-sex.com

    that will get them wondering 8)

    or you can just enter the site manually into your location bar, in which case there is no referrer...

  13. tangled web of RFID lies by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    "None of the retail tests of RFID tags invaded the privacy of shoppers in the Wal-Mart stores, Roberti [editor of RFID Journal] said. He also said that RFID chips in building security passes and toll-booth tags have never been used to invade a citizen's privacy."

    New Yorkers were conned into installing EZPass toll ID systems around our entire infrastructure by a lying Mayor Giuliani who promised that the logs would be tightly protected, available only by court order and subpoena after due process, evidence discovery, legal confidentiality, all the rights by which we protect ourselves from our governments. Once up and running, it turned out that $50 through any low-rent lawyer could buy the logs from the cops, at first used in divorce cases, and now surely used for whatever pretext is convenient to invade our privacy.

    Now the industry continues the lies to propagate their bugs throughout our consumer society. The deployment of the tech is inevitable, their lies as well. But our privacy rights can win, if we maintain zero tolerance for these invasions, and the liars who would have us pay for our own illegal surveillance. Join or promote the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), or the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), or the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). The freedom you save will be your own.

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  14. Sorry, but by 2names · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our RFID tag abusing overlords.

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  15. Re:RFID Locator? by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > Is there such a thing as an RFID tag locator?

    How about an RFID Reader Card for your laptop or PDA? You can get one for $150.00ish US from Syscan International (http://www.syscan.com). It fits a CF slot or PCMCIA with an adapter.

    From an article in RFID Journal
    http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/3 93/1/1/
    "The read range is just five to 10 cm (two to four inches). But Striefler says the company is working to extend that. 'We hope to increase the power of the chip to improve its read range.' ... The reader can record changes in temperature, time and other data. The initial reader that Syscan is producing works with 13.56 MHz tags based on the ISO15693 and ISO14443 standards. The company is working to produce versions for the ISO 14443A and ISO 14443B standards. It will also create readers for the Sony FeliCa RFID chip, and 125 kHz and 134 kHz frequencies. "

    Looks like a bold new frontier for interacting creatively with corporate computer systems.
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  16. Son-of-a... by dannyelfman · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now how am I supposed to keep track of all my wives?

  17. Information wants to be free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh right, not when it's your information, only when it's a record label's information.

  18. Remember Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you really believe this since this is the very same state that wanted to send information about every citizen in the state to a company in Florida called Matrix. See http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,590041052,00 .html

  19. Tech solution to privacy by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the February issue of Circuit Cellar, there's an article on RFID tags and how to make your own. (Alas, it's not one of the freebee articles on their web site. Go kill a tree for a good cause.) And once you understand how something works, it's always easier to shove a potato into the works!

    Starting from this, building a RFID reader detector should be easy -- know when someone is scanning for tags. After that, if some reader is looking for tags with data, why not give the poor thing some? LOUDLY. Reading the data off of some existing tags should give you an idea of what format data the reader is looking for, especially if they use any CRCs or such to stop someone from feeding the reader arbitrary data. Then feed them arbitrary data. The best part is that you really aren't transmitting with passive RFID, you're just "echoing" the reader's transmission.

    The gizmo used in the project is an Atmel e5551. Google for that and you'll find lots of things to read.

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  20. Re:Is it just me... by 36526542DD · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a Mormon in Utah, it is frustrating that so much attention is given to the "bad karma", and so little attention is paid to the great things about Utah.

    Polygamy is practiced by groups in many states, but Utah gets all of the focus because of the concentration in certain communities (half in Utah, half across the border in Arizona). Additionally, most of that is attributed to the "Mormon church", which hasn't practiced polygamy since it became a state about 120 years ago (at which time it joined the U.S. and polygamy became illegal in Utah. Before that Utah was not in the United States, and polygamy was perfectly legal). So to even associate modern polygamy with the LDS church would be like calling anyone who currently lived in the southern states racist because their states used to practice slavery.

    SCO is ~in~ Utah, but in no way reflects the views of Utah or Utahns. I don't hear anyone bagging on California or Virginia because Verisign is there, or Washington state because Microsoft is there.

    Utah is a great state with great people, a lot of great companies, incredibly beautiful natural resources that we take very good care of (8 or 9 National Parks, I think more than any other state, and certainly more geologically diverse), and a lot of other things going for it.

    To "feel immediate antagonism" toward Utah over a few issues that are really quite unrelated to the state is just a narrow-minded, uneducated, knee-jerk reaction.

  21. In the end, it doesn't matter by pturley · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RFID is a red herring. It's needed now simply because our computer technology can't understand what's going on around it without a little help. As soon as computers can understand what they're seeing through a video camera, they'll just *look* at you and your basket and gather the same information. Are we going to ban video cameras in order to protect our privacy?

    Instead of arguing about whatever particular technologies happen to be available now, let's jump forward to the final argument. Unless you're inside your house, or some other friendly enclosure, you will be observable - and how can we really complain about anyone just *noticing* what they see and recording information about it, regardless of what their purposes are? I'm not really sure where this question will eventually lead but, in the end, it's the truly relevant question.