Slashdot Mirror


GameFAQs' Own 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest Launched

XtremeLeader writes "Just days after GameSpy releases its Best All-Time Game competition, GameFAQs answers with a much more interactive Spring 2004 Contest to vote for the best games (you need a GameFAQs account to view the page). Unlike the GameSpy awards, however, this is completely gamer controlled. It begins by a registered user submitting their choices for favorite games (one per system, with more than a few systems), of which any game you want can be nominated. Voting ends at the beginning of March, and the polls are slated to begin late March/early April. The top 64 nominations will be accepted and placed into a series of polls that we get to vote on. Hopefully, this one doesn't have great games like Chrono Trigger thrown into the potpourri category."

29 of 90 comments (clear)

  1. Chrono Trigger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As I browsed through the Gamespy game nomations, I kept wondering to myself "Where is Chrono Trigger" only to be offended when it made the misc. category. I was similarly offended that they would list all quake games, but not Half Life.

    1. Re:Chrono Trigger by jwilloug · · Score: 4, Informative

      Half Life didn't need to qualify, it went straight into its bracket as number 1 seed.

      Why they didn't roll Chrono Trigger and a couple other Square games into the Final Fantasy poll I don't know. It won the Potpourri qualifier, but I don't think it's going to go much farther. It faces off against FF7 on Monday.

  2. Good idea. by BigZaphod · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a much better idea than GameSpy's somewhat elitist approach. This just uses raw numbers to determine the best games instead of some wishy-washy "I think my friends liked this one a lot" kind of thing.

    1. Re:Good idea. by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The only problem is that it's using the bracket system. There's always a bracket where two really good games/characters go at it and knock one out. Who's to say that if that game were placed in another bracket, it could have either lasted longer or win it all.

      As others will say, it'll end up being a popularity contest. The most recent games have a decided advantage while older games like M.U.L.E., Elite or Ultima IV will get killed off early. There just isn't any context for the vote. It's like pitting Canterbury Tales against Harry Potter.

      So what's the best way to find out the Greatest Game of All Time? Sigh, there will always be debate. There will probably need to be some organization like the American Film Institute that will consist of developers, fans, academics and historians that will come up with a list. Perhaps the AAIA? Who knows...

    2. Re:Good idea. by Derkec · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most recent games might have an edge, but it isn't a free ride. Check out the gamespy contest and see Mike Tyson's Punch-Out beat Madden 2004 a game that is not only hugely popular but also 16 years newer.

    3. Re:Good idea. by Cecil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When you come up with the perfect voting system, please let us all know. We'd love to apply it to things like American Politics.

      Until then, there's no such thing as a perfect polling mechanism. Any attempt to average the diverse views of a few hundred, hundred thousand, or hundred million people is NEVER going to be completely representative of how everyone truly feels, even if you have directly polled each and every one of them.

      With all that said though, I do concede that "bracket" selection is quite possibly slightly more 'flawed' than some other approaches, like approval voting.

      But GameFAQs has always done bracket voting, as quite frankly the intention is not to get the "one true answer" as much as it is to have a lot of fun in the voting process. And watching your favourite games traverse the ladder towards the top, voting for them each step of the way, that's a lot of fun compared to saying "I think this is the best game" and clicking "Submit" and waiting for the other results to tally.

    4. Re:Good idea. by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True dat. Perhaps we're taking this too seriously. We should take this excercise for what it is; something fun and entertaining. That is the purpose of the bracket system. I'll be rooting for the underdog when it happens.

    5. Re:Good idea. by robson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      When you come up with the perfect voting system, please let us all know. We'd love to apply it to things like American Politics.

      Well, I've got a better one for you, at least: Condorcet's Method.

    6. Re:Good idea. by Aerion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The only problem is that it's using the bracket system. There's always a bracket where two really good games/characters go at it and knock one out. Who's to say that if that game were placed in another bracket, it could have either lasted longer or win it all.

      This is one of the advantages of a double elimination bracket over a single elimination bracket. Of course, a major disadvantage is that double elimination requires twice as many matches and can take more than twice as long (with 8 or 9 rounds required for a 16-entry bracket instead of 4 rounds).

      But, as has been pointed out by nearly everybody, there is no perfect voting system, and no really good way to narrow down a pool of 64 extremely dissimilar video games to just 1 winner.

      I think it'll be fairly interesting just to see what the top 64 are.

  3. Goldeneye is my pick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Goldeneye definitely stood the test of time with me, for nearly a year that was the only game I played.

    1. Re:Goldeneye is my pick by theMerovingian · · Score: 2, Interesting


      I agree. We used to have this elaborate cardboard and blanket shield that we would put up next to the TV, so that we couldn't look at the other players' screens to determine their location. I can't imagine going to such lengths over any other game.

      It was pretty competitive, and really defined what a fun video game should be. If you don't agree, you might set off the proximity mine that I put down earlier.

      --
      "If you think you have things under control, you're not going fast enough." --Mario Andretti
  4. Other Great Games by Nasarius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also listed on that GameSpy page are Star Control II and X-COM, surely two of my favorite games of all time. SC2 doesn't have a ton of replay value (though I've played through it at least 3 times), but I still play X-COM every once in a while.

    --
    LOAD "SIG",8,1
  5. I hate by Apreche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate stuff like this. It makes the false assumption that the most popular games are the best games. Look at any other medium of entertainment and you can see how plainly false this is. Movies, Star Wars is probably one of the most popular, yet Citizen Kane is "the best" whether you like it or not.

    With a poll on gamefaqs there are sure to be a zillion 12 year olds voting for GTA 3 and a million dumbasses voting for FF7. Heck, I'm almost 22 years old. Some of the 18 year olds who are coming into college now never owned an NES and were all about the Playstation. Playstation! Not even SNES! Just as if you've never seen Citizen Kane you can't be a movie critic you can't be a video game critic if you haven't played Zelda 1. Well, I guess you could be a critic, but you wouldn't have any credibility.

    Zelda 1 is probably the Citizen Kane of video games. Although Mega Man 2 is #1 in my personal book. PC games? TIE Fighter or Civ2. I mean, it is so plainly obvious which games are the best to anyone who knows their shit.

    Really I just wish they would rename the contest to "most popular video game as of right now". As opposed to "best game ever".

    --
    The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
    1. Re:I hate by Pluvius · · Score: 4, Interesting

      GTA3 is one of my favorite games, and I am 22. The correlation might work one way, but that doesn't make it work the other way. I'm actually insulted by the suggestion that it does work the other way. Just because I'm old and embittered compared to the young punks that are now playing video games doesn't mean that I can't appreciate progress.

      Anyway, if anyone cares:

      PlayStation - Final Fantasy 8
      Genesis - Phantasy Star 4
      Master System - Phantasy Star
      Sega CD - Lunar: The Silver Star
      Nintendo 64 - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
      NES - Dragon Warrior 4
      Super Nintendo - Chrono Trigger
      Turbo CD - Ys Books 1 and 2
      TurboGrafx 16 - Military Madness
      DOS/Windows - Planescape: Torment
      Macintosh - Marathon Infinity
      MSX - Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
      Dreamcast - Soul Calibur
      PlayStation2 - Grand Theft Auto 3

      (Notes: Picked FF8 instead of FF7 or MGS because I figured it would be underrepresented. Picked Lunar because I haven't played Snatcher or Dark Wizard. Planescape: Torment is my favorite game in general.)

      Rob

    2. Re:I hate by Pluvius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Star Wars is probably one of the most popular, yet Citizen Kane is "the best" whether you like it or not.

      ITYM "the greatest." "The best" is almost entirely subjective, and relies mostly on personal taste. I think the best movie is Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension. How could you prove me wrong?

      Now, when Gamespy referred to its poll as being for "the greatest game of all time"? That was wrong. Especially when you consider the piss-poor way the poll was designed.

      Really I just wish they would rename the contest to "most popular video game as of right now". As opposed to "best game ever".

      As noted above, those are basically equivalent.

      Rob

    3. Re:I hate by J.+Jacques · · Score: 5, Funny

      In other words: "I am angry that the opinions of others may differ from my own! Raar!"

      --
      http://www.questionablecontent.net
    4. Re:I hate by Pluvius · · Score: 2

      "Most popular video game as of right now" implies NOW.

      He didn't say "now," he said "as of right now." Which is redundant. I mean, how the heck are you supposed to vote on games that aren't out as of right now? And if most GameFAQs voters vote for games that are new (which they probably will), then how would "now" be any different from "ever" in the first place?

      Rob

    5. Re:I hate by Farscry · · Score: 2

      Just because I'm old and embittered compared to the young punks that are now playing video games doesn't mean that I can't appreciate progress.

      What's interesting is that I, at 26, usually think of the guys in their low 20's as the "young punks" while *I'm* the old embittered one. ;) And many of my friends, in their mid-30's, consider me a young punk gamer.

      Perception is everything, eh? =)

      Besides, if you're familiar with the GameFAQs audience, you'll know that the largest gamer contingent there is the population of Square fanboys (and girls), with the Nintendo (Zelda in particular) fanboys running a close second.

      Based on the GameFAQs demographics as evidenced by their character battles of previous years, I expect to see FF7 make it to the final rounds, and quite possibly grab the victory. Either that or a Zelda game.

      --
      Mmmmm.... Pigeons. Sometimes, they come with notes attached...it's like...a fortune cookie with wings.
  6. Except there's one problem with GameFaq's by Xlipse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone who reads and pays attention to the site will know that it's very biased towards Sony and Nintendo. PC games and the XBox won't get a fair representation on Gamefaqs. All you have to do is read the discussion forums on Gamefaq's for a while and you'll come to realize this. The site itself may cater to all systems, but the userbase is definately Sony and Nintendo fanboys.

    1. Re:Except there's one problem with GameFaq's by Pluvius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Saying this just makes you sound like a bitter Microsoft fanboy.

      Unfortunately, it's also the truth. Even though he neglected to mention the significant (though not huge) number of Sega fanboys as well.

      I clearly remember the day when a character who does nothing but buy things from vending machines and pet kittens (Ryo Hazuki, Shenmue) defeated one of the most hilarious video game protagonists of all time (Guybrush Threepwood, Secret of Monkey Island) in one of those big GameFAQs polls. I think I heard the computer adventure genre roll over in its grave when that happened.

      Rob

    2. Re:Except there's one problem with GameFaq's by metroid+composite · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Actually, from my understanding the hit PC games simply don't sell as well as the hit console games. Off the top of my head, I seem to rememer Myst was about 6 million, and Super Mario Bros was about 40 million...and PC games drop off a fair bit after Myst and the Sims IIRC. I couldn't find any lists to see if this is true or not (anybody know one of those list sites?) though I did find this for 2001 PC sales:
      1 / The Sims / Electronic Arts / 11-1999 / $41
      2 / RollerCoaster Tycoon / Infogrames / 02-1999 / $23
      3 / Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone / Electronic Arts / 11-2001 / $28
      4 / Diablo II: Lord of Destruction / Vivendi Universal / 06-2001 / $34
      5 / The Sims: House Party / Electronic Arts / 02-2001 / $28
      6 / The Sims: Livin' Large / Electronic Arts / 12-1999 / $28
      7 / The Sims: Hot Date / Electronic Arts / 11-2001 / $27
      8 / Diablo II / Vivendi Universal / 03-1999 / $38
      9 / SimTheme Park / Electronic Arts / 11-1999 / $19
      10 / Age of Empires II: Age of Kings / Microsoft / 08-1999 / $41

      I mean yes, Myst and the Sims break the trend, but...well for example I had heard the name Age of Empires vaguely, but didn't realize it was made by Microsoft; it doesn't strike me as a well-known game; heck anything that gets outsold by three different $30 expansion packs just isn't that impressive for recognition.

      To be utterly blunt, I'm not convinced it's GameFAQs that's biased against PC games (though it might be). I think it's more that Slashdot which is baised for PC games. This is a crowd which just likes modding/upgrading their PCs, so using them for gaming is a logical extension.

      As for the XBox..........
      Well to quote Maddox
      People who own the Xbox don't play video games.
      Yes this is false...or at least there are plenty of exceptions (seeing as 10% of all GameFAQs readers owned all three by 11/10/2002, let alone today which I'd ballpark as closer to 20%) and the XBox has improved a fair bit since Maddox wrote that in 2002. Still, the stereotype that XBox has a weak game lineup frankly does hold some water. Despite all this, there's certainly numerous people who like the XBox on GameFAQs. I wouldn't worry about its games being underrepresented.

      If there's any system I'd be worried about getting underrepresented here it's the Dreamcast. Never owned one actually, though I keep looking at the title lineup and old reviews and thinking "dude, I missed a fair bit".
  7. Final Fantasy 7 by oskillator · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Considering that Final Fantasy 7's Cloud and Sephiroth, who have been in exactly one game (the same one, in fact), topped GameFAQs's "favorite character" contest last year, barely beating out Mario and Link, who each have an enormous legacy of beloved games, I think FF7 is pretty much a shoo-in.

    (GameFAQs's user base is primarily RPG-oriented, which makes sense considering that RPGs are the games you usually go to FAQs for, and console-oriented, which is largely arbitrary.)

  8. My picks... by pb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Best RPG Evar: Legacy of the Ancients -- on a Commodore 64, no less; it's amazing what they could pack in there!

    Other than that, and in no particular order, Masters of Magic, Star Control II, Super Mario Bros. 3, Leisure Suit Larry 4*, Final Fantasy V, and Ultima VI...

    * Yes, I realize that this game does not exist... :)

    --
    pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate.
  9. Preset Mentality by VGMSupreme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is not much you can do to change the mentality of the GameFAQs userbase. They are not going to understand the real games that made an impact on the industry as we know it. I will also agree that they gear more towards RPGs characters than anything else.

    That being said, yes, it does boil down to a popularity contest. But I do have some faith in the people who are willing to show what real games were about. We will have to remind them about the times of the SNES, NES, and maybe even the Atari days.

    Mainstream marketing is what is driving a lot of the younger crowd that is buying games. That is why the FF series is flying off the shelves, but games like Zelda and SMB are being turned into EB and not being brought again.

    --
    The Galatic Freedom Force marches on! Defend!
  10. for Web/Online only game - Grow by HomerJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Be sure to pick Grow Can you make everything GROW! and get 20,000 points?

  11. They're all elitist approaches. by b0r0din · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's face it, there's no such thing as a greatest game ever. Super Mario Bros 3 was maybe the standard for its time, and before that, I dunno, Pong, but a lot of games nowadays have depth that isn't pinned down by that 16k of memory you could use. Arguably they're better but then they're still not necessarily as enjoyable.

    Maybe you could put up a list of games that have the greatest historical significance, but history is written by the victors, ie. the Nintendos of the era and not the Ataris. Whose to say that some games on the TurboGrafix 16 or NeoGeo weren't the best for their time? And how do you even approach this with numbers and different age groups?

    Back in the day, there could be some sort of consensus, maybe, because the demographic was similar. But now you have 50-yr olds who play, you have teenagers whose minds have been captivated (I would almost say brainwashed) by Anime and Pokemon. Different people define greatness differently in a game. It's like defining the greatest movies - a futile exercise created by basic greed - the AFI wants you to buy their newest AFI100 DVD or VHS, just as Lucas wants to sell you his newest 6-movie Super Humungo Collector's Director's Extended Limited Edition Star Wars set. Nevermind that Citizen Kane bored me, it had historical significance. People will no doubt continue to do these lists, as companies like GameSpy release Top10 after Top10 so they can keep people interested in going to their site so they can sell ads and subscription and generate new debate. Now granted, I think these current debates are fun, and you might even find a game you hadn't heard of sorting through them. But raw numbers aren't going to tell you what game is best.

  12. WTF?! by Haeleth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who on earth chose that list of platforms?

    I see I can nominate games from popular platforms like the Virtual Boy, but there's no option for the BBC, which only brought us games like Elite and Exile (as mentioned here not two days ago). Ah well, "Computer Misc" here we come.

    I wouldn't mind the arbitrary list so much if it was even in alphabetical order...

  13. You do realize... by Incoherent07 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to the announcement on the front page of GameFAQs, the contest starts in the beginning of April. For those of you not aware of this, CJayC occasionally does something really off-the-wall to GameFAQs on April 1. Anyone else thinking what I'm thinking?

    Best. Game. Ever. == Best. April. Fools. Day. Scam. Ever.

    --
    This is my sig. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.
  14. The only fair way to pick the best game by foidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have a slashdot poll on the subject. there can be no debate to /. authority!