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Young Programmer, Stop Advocating Free Software!

Lansdowne writes "Clemens Vasters, in an open letter to a young developer he met at a software conference, asks him to consider the consequences of writing software for free. "Software is the immediate result and the manifestation of what your learned and what you know. How much is that worth? Nothing? Think again."" While I don't particularly agree with all of the points made here, this is the type of question that needs to be answered to continue to get people involved in Free/Open/Libre/GNU/whatever source/software/code.

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  1. Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Is it possible for me to mod an entire article down -1 troll?

  2. oh dearie me, grandpops on the lose by nietsch · · Score: 0, Troll

    I tried to read the article (it's not slashdotted you karma whores!) but i quit after the first few paragrapghs. Some dipshit telling "when I was your age..." stories to someone he didn't care about to ask his email. This rambling is not fit for public consumption.
    Some people really get off on telling other people how the world works. They might even think that everybody that listens is their deciple. Now goth hither and ... well whatever.

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  3. Re:Its a support issue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    HAH! Lets see you make a lifetime job out of supporting your crappy OSS project!

  4. Jealous of Sun, IBM and JBoss Corporation? by IlliniDK · · Score: 0, Troll

    Guess who's making real money off your work.

  5. IBM does nothing for free by IlliniDK · · Score: 0, Troll

    They sucker in a bunch of Open Source guys and make billions off them.

  6. Re:Don't misunderstand the issue by wfolta · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yes, you can have a book deal, IF you create a perl or python. Anything short of that league and you're not getting squat.

    Also note that the creators of perl, python, etc, still have day jobs last I heard where they're, gasp, paid for creating software.

    Not to say that OSS is bad. I just joined an OSS team working on a game design tool for a program for MacOSX and Linux. It's fun, it's great. Contribute. Give something back. Hoorah!

    But for those who actually want to be able to buy that Powerbook upon which they develop their OSS, making money may actually be a viable option, perhaps even making money selling software.

    (Actually, taking the Knowledge wants to be Free philosophy literally, you shouldn't sell a book on your OSS since that's knowledge. And how can you sell your services to maintain or enhance OSS, since that's knowledge too? Sucker them in with free software that they can't understand or use, and then charge them for usability and customizability?

    I see no difference between this and charging for the software directly. EXCEPT for programmers, who get the software and can use/maintain it because of their unique skills/knowledge. So it boils down to: Charge programmers == BAD but charge the unwashed masses == GOOD.)

  7. Re:Wow, is this off the mark by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 0, Troll

    So, the guys at Redhat, Ximian, etc... don't make money?

    Not nearly as much as the guys at Microsoft and Apple.

    Score:-1, Harsh Truth.

  8. Re:Site slashdot'ed befor it went live by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 1, Troll

    What keeps me employed and employable?

    You are a workaholic and companies absolutely love workaholics?

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  9. Re:A good mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Why don't these open source folks burn their
    awesome open software that they made into
    a CD and give them to the homeless people?
    I mean like these homeless people don't really need a shelter, they actually want those
    CDs to run on their laptops...

  10. Re:slashdotted, article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Hey, look, somebody has found what happens when you press down on the mouse-wheel! Isn't this fun! Give the girl a big bunch of flowers!

  11. Where would you be without Open Source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Without Open Source you would have to pay for your:
    1. Browser.
    2. Subscribe ever year/month/day for your O/S.
    3. Email.
    4. To make Graphics.
    5. Subscribe ever year/month/day for your Office Suite.
    6. Subscribe ever year/month/day for your Development Suite.

    The fact is that without Open Source the average home wouldn't have the money for a computer!!!

    Without Open Source there wouldn't be any standards. Every software company would be making up their own standards.

    Without Open Source you wouldn't have commercial software that is so cheap. Most commercial software uses Open Source code.

    Most Open Source software is better than commercial software. Open Source programmers look at commercial software and say, "You know what, it would be much easier and better if it would do this!!!". You have more people thinking out-side the box in Open Source software than commercial software.

    Yes, themselves and their community do recognize Open Source programmers. Open Source programmers can put on their Resume's, "I started this Open Source project.". And if a girl only wants to date money then she can go right ahead, because she isn't worth anything.

    Yes, I think he should consider the consequences of writing software for free.

  12. Re:Well, I suppose he has a point... by Bluesman · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sure, but imagine how the conversation came about.

    Sound to me as if your hypothetical Peace Corps volunteer went around chiding workers in the coporate world for not being in the Peace Corps, the idea being that the world would be a better place if we all devoted our lives only to feeding the poor.

    This letter is a response to such nonsense.

    I think he makes an excellent point about the famous free-software advocates, many of whom don't make a living doing what they advocate.

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  13. Re:Amen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Your software is free, correct? But to get your hands on it, you buy a support license. So, in actuality, your software is getting paid for. I'll bet that your brass wouldn't dare open source the free software. GPL or BSD, it's still going to get swiped, and it's going to end up in a commercial app. GPL is just as evil as commercial software. If someone really wants to stand by open source, use the BSD license. That's proof that you really don't care what people do with your code - commercial or not.

  14. Less outsourcing by Eric+Savage · · Score: -1, Troll

    Just think how many jobs are being kept stateside because they are being done for free!

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  15. Thank god for bleeding hearts by Viol8 · · Score: -1, Troll

    Because thanks to sanctamonious hand ringing suckers like you the rest of us can cash in your your effort. Btw , when you have a family and
    perhaps someone in it gets ill and you can't afford the care for them , I hope for your sake they appreciate how your moral stance means they
    have to suffer more than they would have if you'd actually grown up emotionally and earnt a better living from your skills.

  16. Re:Free/freedom.. again by David+Gerard · · Score: 0, Troll

    He's a marketer for Microsoft Germany. Check his bio.

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  17. Re:Fermat's Last Theorem by 110010001000 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ah yes. We can all work for universities. What a good idea.

    BTW, writing a software program is engineering - not pure research.

  18. Re:Fermat's Last Theorem by mark99 · · Score: 0, Troll

    And we all know how the market in Mathematicians is booming these days...

    Maybe if there was a business model for Mathematics it would be in better shape. As it is they have to beg all their money from the government.

  19. At least you still own your work... by Black+Art · · Score: 1, Troll

    Amazing amount of false assumptions in that letter.

    First is the assumption that you can actually make more money in closed source than open source. I have done both. The money is about the same. The difference is that with open source, I own my work. It is not taken away from me for a salary.

    There is also the assumption that all programming is done for money. That is not always the goal. Most of the Open Source code I have written has been to fufill a need, not just for a paycheck. Cash is not the only reason things get done. It would be a pretty terrible and expensive world if that were the case.

    He also claims that Open Source credits will not get you a job because geeks are the only ones who pay attention to that sort of thing. So geeks don't own companies? They don't hire people based on what they have done? I have gotten lots of jobs because of my activity in Open Source. Open Source also has more active user groups. Actually knowing people in the tech community and having a good reputation will get you more jobs than sending in resumes to whatever gets posted in the Sunday classifieds.

    There is also a lot to learn by actually participating in an ongoing programming project. It is a good learning experience, as well as something to put on your resume when you are trying to get that first programming job.

    He also does not seem to understand the concept of "giving back to the community". There were a lot of people who helped me when I was a young programmer. They did not do it for money, but out of "giving something back" to the general programming community. That is one of the reasons I help with user groups and open source. It helps with that next crop of programmers that this guy seems to want to clear-cut.

    Programming is more than just a job. You have to love what you are doing. It has to be more than just a paycheck.

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  20. Re:net result by I_Love_Pocky! · · Score: -1, Troll

    When you give away your hard work, you devaule the hard work of every other developer who is trying to make a living. Now maybe you have some other career, but I'm counting on living off of my programming skills. With half of the jobs moving overseas the last thing I need is competion from someone who is just doing it for fun.

    I'm not saying open source is a bad idea, because I think it creates better software. I am saying that as developers we shouldn't be working on open source unless someone is paying us. The IBMs of the world can make a fortune off the availablity of open source software, but they aren't going to pay much to develop it if everyone is willing to build it for free.

    If we refuse to give our work away, it will cause big players (like IBM, Redhat, etc.) to step up to the plate to encourage the growth of open source. Then we can all be paid to be working on quality software. Or, open source will fail miserablly (which is what it should do if it can't produce revenue).

    The alternative is the end of computer programming as a high paying career. The bright programmers will have to make a living doing consulting and in-house programming. Not a bad chunk of change, but it isn't what I wanted for a career.

    Thanks a lot for ruining my career path you cold hearted, non-money loving, generous, fools!