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Announcing the KDE Quality Team Project

Quique writes "The KDE Community is pleased to announce the launch of the Quality Team Project, a community of contributors who will serve as a gateway between developers and users in the KDE Project, and as a new way for people to begin contributing. KDE is a very attractive project, offering high quality software and is freely available. There is a lot of people who feel the urge to give something back, but stop in the middle of the way, frustrated by the steep learning curve. The aim of the project is to reduce these barriers by welcoming these potential contributors, and by offering documentation, support, and even guidance if requested. The objective is to support the new contributors, (programmers, documenters, testers, artists...). Have you ever wished to help KDE in some way, but never knew how? Keep reading!"

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  1. This is EXACTLY what open source needs! by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    QA? Testing? This is what open source needs!

    Allow me to use Slashdot as an example. Wednesday nights = push development into production. Anyone on the slashteam want to tell me what regression testing tools and system testers they use? Sure, usually (not always) there isn't a crash-and-burn build, but occasionally there is annoyances and such that are just 'thrown into' the build that people didn't know was coming and other things.

    Granted, this is Robs code, let him do what he wants with it, but with a 'QA' step it just makes for a better product.

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    1. Re:This is EXACTLY what open source needs! by millahtime · · Score: 5, Insightful

      QA is also something the US government requires for many things. Especially the military. If there is a good QA process in place that can help improve US government acceptance.

      Not to mention, produce a better product for the rest of us.

  2. Build it, and they won't come.. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What was that open source code auditting thing that DARPA set up, but noone showed up to do the gruntwork?

    Sounds like KDE is looking for folks to come along and do all the thankless, boring shit. Spellchecking help files, testing obscure check boxes, applying different themes. Of course, all the cool design work and programming, and artistry, etc, will be done by the core team - who will, of course, accept all the credit.

    Noone wants to do the monkey work. I don't want to test constantly, read bug reports, track down insignificant bugs in code thats unused 99.9% of the time. I only do so because it's my job.

    Which is a shame for open source in general, because it's that QA step, all the thankless hours of gruntwork, that make the final product what it is.

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    1. Re:Build it, and they won't come.. by m.mascherpa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Noone wants to do the monkey work. I don't want to test constantly, read bug reports, track down insignificant bugs in code thats unused 99.9% of the time. I only do so because it's my job.

      Actually it seems someone do want: otherwise how could many open source projects like Apache, Samba, linux (!!!) become what they are?

    2. Re:Build it, and they won't come.. by stratjakt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at how much more polished and usable Windows XP is than any OSS desktop.

      Or OS/X. They took an OSS platform and layed a slick, highly integrated and very stylish UI on top of it. In about a quarter of the time that various linux desktop projects have been around. What's the difference?

      Legions of grunts whos daily bread relied on toeing the company line, testing what they were told to test, documenting what they were told to document.

      I wish this project all success, but I'm skeptical. Contributing programming or artistic skills for free makes sense. After all, programmers like programming, artists like drawing.

      But noone likes doing gruntwork. Noone really dances on their way to work at McDonalds. We'll see in the end.

      An aunt of mine was as veterinarian, she ran a small animal hospital. She'd have two or three high school girls apply to volunteer there each week, girls are goofy at the idea of hugging puppies.

      They wouldn't show up again after the first time they had to do the actual work, say, clean up after a Great Dane with a case of diarreah.

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  3. This is what Open Source needs by mcx101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think this is exactly what open source needs. It's one thing for programmers, sysadmins and advanced users to contribute to open source projects, but there's often no easy way for the average user to help out.

    With ideas like KDE Quality Team, the developers get to hear from the users and integrate features that they would like to see, as well as providing a means by which the average user can contribute. That's why Wikipedia works so well - it is possible for anybody to contribute. It's great to see the "anybody can contribute" idea extend to open source where up till now it's really only the advanced users who can contribute easily.

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    1. Re:This is what Open Source needs by kenneth_martens · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this is exactly what open source needs. It's one thing for programmers, sysadmins and advanced users to contribute to open source projects, but there's often no easy way for the average user to help out.

      There's a reason for that: average users can find bugs, but cannot report them without having a programmer or an advanced user looking over their shoulder. An average user doesn't think through things logically enough to be able to isolate problems or to come up with the steps needed to consistently reproduced a bug.

      You might say, "But the average user doesn't need to know those things! He just needs to report the bug and the programmers will research it and fix it." That's nonsense. A bug report from an average user (if he files one at all) is likely to be along the lines of "A program crashed when I clicked on a menu item." And when you ask for more details, he has forgotten which menu item he clicked on, he has forgotten the error message, he doesn't even know which version he was running. At best you might figure out which OS he uses, but that's it.

      QA testing can be done by average users only if they are closely monitored by programmers or advanced users. There needs to be an advanced, knowledgable user present to watch the novice use the program and see how he uses the software. The KDE Quality Team might get some work done--for example, average users could easily locate and point out misspellings or other errors in the help files or dialog box messages--but don't think for a moment that KDE is tapping a great heretofore unused resource. The quality of the feedback generated by the KDE Quality Team will likely be low.

      What we really need is to have local LUGs sponsor QA seminars. Get all the local geeks to bring a friend who has never used KDE. Sit them all down in front of a brand new installation of the latest KDE and ask them to perform simple tasks similar to what they would do at home using Windows. (Burn a CD, search the web, etc.) Watch them closely and take notes every time they find a bug or unexpected behavior. Compile that information and submit the necessary bug reports. Now that information will be truly useful.

      Disclaimer: I could be wrong about everything. It's not likely, but it's happened before.

  4. Re:i hope these guys will integrate with kde-redha by darthcamaro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    right you are - but should it be that way? for newbies and technophobes -packages are the way they get stuff onto their machines

  5. Got to give KDE credit.. by msimm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For fostering a community unlike any other. www.kde-look.org has been my first stop to see modern ideas on desktop design for years now. I am not nor have I ever been a KDE fanboy (I'm a Blackbox user) but they have managed to form a remarkable bond with the graphics design community (and the graphically inclined). They should be a model for more OSS projects and this is something we should look at as a community as a whole. There is more to good software then 1's and 0's.

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  6. Re:Someone read ESR's rant by thesaur · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ESR did bring up a lot of good points. However, I doubt this team will have too much to do with that. From the article, it seems to me that it's mostly focused at lowering the entry level requirements for working on the KDE project. They are trying to get people to write documentation, etc. But that doesn't mean that they will actually focus on ensuring that it will all be as simple to use as Windows.

    As an open source author and member of a quality assurance team, experience tells me that the greatest effort will go into programming. QA teams generally have enough work to do just fixing bugs, writing documentation and testing releases ("important stuff"), that not enough time is left for making the user interface uniform or even intuitive. In this case, though they are asking users for direct input on the topic. That's a good sign.