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EU About To Consider Stringent Anti-Sharing Law

chrestomanci writes " The Register have just posted a news item about the EU IP Rights Enforcement Bill. Theres is an editorial about the issue in PC Magazine. The bill if passed would give intellectual property holders draconian powers to enforce their IP against infringers. The powers available include sending rent-a-cops to private homes, seizing assets, freezing bank accounts, and confiscating and ISP's equipment on suspicion. Any of these powers could be used against a 12-year-old file sharer, as easily as against a large scale commercial piracy operation The bill has been proposed by the French MEP Janelly Fourtou, whose husband is the the head of Vivendi Universal. She has placed the bill on a 'First Reading' track that does not allow debate, and is normally reserved for bills with near unanimous support. The deadline for amendments is today. If you are a European citizen it is time to write to your Member of the European Parliament. The final vote will be between the 8th and 11th March." (We mentioned this a few weeks ago, too.)

76 comments

  1. sharing by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 3, Funny

    they told me in kindergarten that sharing was a good thing

    1. Re:sharing by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      I bet they let you "play" too - when you could have been working.

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      In Soviet America the banks rob you!
  2. OH MY GOD! by gazbo · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Any of these powers could be used against a 12-year-old file sharer

    Won't somebody please think of the children? This is exactly why we have exemptions in the law for children who murder and steal, as they should be protected. The little darlings.

  3. danger! danger! by hookedup · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "confiscating and ISP's equipment on suspicion"

    I can see this being a real problem to any isp with a newsgroup server.

  4. The big advantage to the EU passing this law now by xutopia · · Score: 0, Insightful

    is that acceptance of Internet is much slower than it is in the US. It is hard to remove a perceived right in the US but in the EU most people aren't sharing files yet so it will be easier for them to implement such laws.

  5. Ummm, NO by Ummagumma · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I am a US citizen. And please don't construe this as a flame.

    When the standard-issue starts kicking in my door, without a PROPER search warrant, executed and issued by a JUDGE, is when I start considering violence, and start shooting back.

    When I was in the US Army years ago, I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States - I am no longer in the Army, but still consider that oath to be valid.

    "I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the uniform code of military justice.

    So help me God!"

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    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
    1. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I will obey the orders of the president of the United States and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the uniform code of military justice.

      Don't those regulations say something about shooting American cops without any direct order?

    2. Re:Ummm, NO by Ummagumma · · Score: 1

      Not if they're breaking the provisions in the Constitution.

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      "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
    3. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When the standard-issue starts kicking in my door, without a PROPER search warrant, executed and issued by a JUDGE, is when I start considering violence, and start shooting back.

      The issue here is that a "proper" search warrant could now be issued by a music label. Scary.

    4. Re:Ummm, NO by Ummagumma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not neccisarily. I sure don't recognize that as a proper search warrant, and recent court rulings back me up on this.

      Besides, they can't issue search warrants, only subpoenas, big difference.

      http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113961 ,0 0.asp

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      "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
    5. Re:Ummm, NO by a+whoabot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You would actually get into a gunfight with police officers? I'm not saying you have a wrong stance, but, would you actually try to battle guys who you know would win? Maybe you could kill the two who had come originally, but after you've killed two cops is when they bring in the swat team and you're gonna die. It's cool to die by your principles, but would you?

      I guess maybe there is a very small chance that while your noble struggle goes on, your neighbours may see and just decide they want to help, and perhaps this could snowball and create a proletariat revolution, but I really don't think so. It's definitely better to get arrested, and then create a better strategy for the revolution.

    6. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I sure don't recognize that as a proper search warrant, and recent court rulings back me up on this.

      I think you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if you don't recognise it as valid, the law would. And "recent court rulings" wouldn't matter either as they are attempting to change the law.

    7. Re:Ummm, NO by Ummagumma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're reading a bit too much into my writing. I'd resist, violently, without resorting to deadly violence, then sue the crap out of everyone involved. Failing that is when I turn to more drastic measures.

      I hope I don't sound like some kind of extremist whacko here, I'm not. I don't even own a gun. But thats not the point. I'll get one soon enough, should the American justice system not overturn these illegal laws first, and the standard-issue starts kicking in doors willy-nilly. You HAVE to give the justice system its due course before turning to more drastic measures. Lets just hope the SJC doesnt uphold some of these more draconian laws. I have faith in them for now.

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      "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson
    8. Re:Ummm, NO by Phillup · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not saying you have a wrong stance, but, would you actually try to battle guys who you know would win?

      OK... I know you didn't intend this... but...

      This kind of thinking, being totally subservient to "authority" figures... is one of the reasons that three airplanes made it to their intended target.

      And, the government response has been to make Americans even more subservient by standing in long lines, taking their shoes off and bending over... for the real screwing. (and yes, I know that it is totally off topic... and the OP wasn't anything about America... but this particular thread of it is.)

      The real solution is to constantly question and push back at "authority". That is the only way you are going to avoid being taken somewhere you don't want to go.

      It's definitely better to get arrested, and then create a better strategy for the revolution.

      See, I think the real lesson that every American should have learned from 9/11 (and applied to every part of life) is this:

      Fight. Right now. You may never get another chance.

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    9. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I'd resist, violently, without resorting to deadly violence, then sue the crap out of everyone involved.

      If you are resisting violently, then don't be surprised when they resort to deadly violence. You can't "sue the crap out of everyone involved" if you are dead.

    10. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This kind of thinking, being totally subservient to "authority" figures... is one of the reasons that three airplanes made it to their intended target.

      No it isn't. The passengers on those planes were quite simply rational. They knew that what usually happens in this situation is that they get flown off to some odd country, then get flown back. Compared with the cost of your own life when struggling with armed hijackers, it's easy to see that this has nothing to do with "subservience" and everything to do with self-preservation. How many plane hijackings resulted in deaths of passengers before Sept 11? It was an unprecedented occasion.

      The passengers had no idea they would be taking down the WTC buildings. As I understand it, the one plane that didn't make it to its target due to passenger intervention is the one plane where the passengers did learn about what was happening, which kinda blows your whole theory out of the water.

    11. Re:Ummm, NO by Phillup · · Score: 1

      As I understand it, the one plane that didn't make it to its target due to passenger intervention is the one plane where the passengers did learn about what was happening, which kinda blows your whole theory out of the water.

      You lost me with that line of thinking.

      They refused to be subservient. Fought. And kept the terrorist from accomplishing their goals.

      What about that blows my theory out of the water?

      I am not talking about how one individual can increase their own chance for survival. I'm talking about how a society can keep itself from being "enslaved" by people with a goal that is counter to the desire of the society.

      My point is to make hijacking irrational by making the chance of revolt by the passengers and crew high.

      And... back on topic... making any action contrary to the actual desire of society expensive. In more ways than just money.

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    12. Re:Ummm, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They refused to be subservient.

      No, they were confronted with the fact that the hijackers were intending to crash the plane. Their previous rational decision to not fight back was merely self-preservation, and when that changed, they fought back. It highlights the fact that the determining factor of whether they fight back or not is motivated by self-preservation and not some weird notion of oppressors always winning.

      I am not talking about how one individual can increase their own chance for survival.

      You used the hijacks as evidence supporting your theory. The determining factor in whether the passengers fought back was almost certainly their chances of survival, which means this particular piece of evidence doesn't support your theory.

    13. Re:Ummm, NO by Phillup · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It highlights the fact that the determining factor of whether they fight back or not is motivated by self-preservation and not some weird notion of oppressors always winning

      You are probably right for those people. Which, in a way, drives home my point. They were victims of their own apathy. It took a threat to their own life to make them care enough to fight back.

      And, it was too late by then.

      I think the two (oppression and survival) are linked. The more oppressors win, the lower you chance of survival.

      To me, "surviving" isn't worth it on its own. Someone once said "the purpose of life is to live, not to exist".

      So, the origial topic was about fighting... vs. waiting for a better chance later... and, I still hold that later may be too late.

      And... I believe that if the people on the other planes, and planes for the last decade or more, had insisted on confronting hijackers instead of "going along for the ride" then the incidence of hijacking would have been much lower. And, 9/11 probably would not have even been attempted... at least not on a passenger airline.

      Same goes for our government. If people would start acting at the earliest sign of trouble... instead of not caring until it affects them personally... then things would be much better.

      IMHO

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      --Phillip

      Can you say BIRTH TAX
    14. Re:Ummm, NO by salesgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You would actually get into a gunfight with police officers?

      Why do you think the right to keep and bear arms is important? Governments are very scary unless the price of tyrrany is to high to be realistic.

      It's cool to die by your principles, but would you?

      Living by your principles is what matters. If you die because you live a principed life, then you die rich.

      just decide they want to help, and perhaps this could snowball and create a proletariat revolution

      Unfortunately, I live in a bujoise neighborhood.

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      -- $G
  6. With a name like this... by MainframeKiller · · Score: 4, Funny

    The bill has been proposed by the French MEP Janelly Fourtou...

    BTW, Fourtou is translated in english as "fuck-all", I kid you not!

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    1. Re:With a name like this... by eggstasy · · Score: 1

      Uh, no, but close. "Four" means "furnace" or "oven".
      The correct translation of "fuck all" as in "fuck everyone" would be "foutre tous". If you mean "fuck all" as in "fuck everything" it would be "foutre tout".
      If you really mean "fuck-all" as in "nothing" then well, you can't directly translate idioms... FWIW, "nothing" in French is "rien".

    2. Re:With a name like this... by MainframeKiller · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my bad.

      I should have been more specific in saying: in Canadian french... as opposed to just french.

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    3. Re:With a name like this... by imr · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but no.
      Fourrer, is used in french slang (argot) to mean "fuck".
      So "fourtou" can well be heard as "fourre tout" (wich is also a bag or a place where you put anything with no order), wich means "fuck all".
      Its proper use:
      fourrer

    4. Re:With a name like this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whelp, my bad. I had never heard of it being used like that, but then again, I'm not french :)

    5. Re:With a name like this... by skahshah · · Score: 1

      Seriously, Fourtou is a name with roots in the south of France (Provence, Cote d'Azur, Dauphine...) but there is quite a bunch in the north (Lille). Fourt, Fortou, Fourtouil are some variations. It has nothing to do with "fourrer" (to stuff, to cram, to put, or in good french to cover with fur), and derives from "fort", strong.

    6. Re:With a name like this... by imr · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I'm from the sout of france and her and her husband peuvent aller se faire fourrer!

  7. Here's the article text by scumbucket · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kill the EU IP Rights Enforcement Bill!

    Civil liberties and consumer rights groups are calling on MEPs to reject the EU Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement Directive.

    Today (3 March) is the last day that amendments can be tabled before the final debate and vote, from 8-11 March.

    IP Justice, an international coalition of civil liberties groups and consumer rights activists, is organising a protest in Strasbourg to "uphold traditional civil liberties against the over-zealous enforcement of intellectual property rights". The meeting will be held outside the EU Parliament on 8 March between 4.30pm and 6.30pm.

    The bill was introduced to make it easier to tackle large scale pirating operations, and to create a consistent, pan-European approach to intellectual property law. But many groups, including Campaign for an Open Digital Environment (CODE) and the EFF, are concerned about the way the bill has been rushed through the European Parliament.

    The directive's Rapporteur, French MEP Janelly Fourtou, (who, incidentally, is wife of the head of Vivendi Universal) has placed it on a "First Reading". This is usually reserved for directives on which there is already unanimous agreement, and does not allow for public debate. This meant the directive could be drafted behind closed doors.

    Civil rights groups want the proposal sent into a second reading, where its provisions can be publicly considered.

    According to the BSA, 25 per cent of software in use in the UK is illegal. It claims that reducing this to 15 per cent would generate an extra 2.5bn in tax revenues and 40,000 jobs in the IT sector. It points out that organised crime gangs have moved into software piracy on a large scale, and argues that tough legislation is needed to stop this.

    Few people would seriously oppose a law that would tackle these problems, and make it easier for industry to go after real criminals: the organised crime gangs, the people selling sub-standard software, or pirating thousands of videos.

    However, this directive fails to distinguish between commercial counterfeiting, and inadvertent individual copyright infringement. This means a 12-year old P2P file sharer, or someone photocopying pages from a library text book at university, is seen as identical to a large scale piracy operation filtering money into organised crime.

    The Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure UK (FFII-UK) proposed a set of amendments that it says would reduce the directive's harm to consumers, including limiting its scope to commercial cases.

    As it stands, this directive grants some very scary powers to rights holders. Consider the Anton Piller orders: these enable rights holders to hire private police to raid a suspect's home.

    This was previously restricted to very rare, large commercial infringers. The Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF) points out that now, anyone who infringes copyright - even unwittingly - may have his or her "assets seized, bank account frozen and home invaded".

    The bill creates a new "Right of Information" that allows rights holders to obtain personal information on P2P file sharers. An ISP's servers can be seized and destroyed with no hearing if one of their customers is alleged to have infringed a copyright.

    It fails to define the term 'intellectual property rights', so interpretation will vary hugely from country to country when/if the directive becomes law, undermining one of the main objectives of the legislation: harmonising EU law.

    Neither the Business Software Alliance, nor the British Phonographic Industry was able to provide any comment on the implications of this directive for consumers before we went to press.

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  8. Just become a rights holder by Atomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just like a similar US story: License to Hack"

    Then you can have the same powers to attack the big guys. Legally.

  9. writing to MEP's by An+Onimous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ummm - who do i write to if my MEP is an ex-artist? I don't think she'd take too kindly to filesharing.

    1. Re:writing to MEP's by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1

      Real artists support file-sharing, because it disseminates their work widely. Only hacks who are in it exclusively for the money worry about file-sharing.

  10. Re:The big advantage to the EU passing this law no by Earlybird · · Score: 4, Insightful
    acceptance of Internet is much slower than it is in the US.

    Ahem. Are you quite sure about that? And just to drive the point home: Are you quite sure about that?

    I am guessing you don't live in Europe. I am constantly amused by Americans who think Europe is this backwater continent which is not quite up to date with respect to the rest of the world. It may have been true 50 years old. It's no longer the case.

  11. Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...please empty your rights and privileges into the trash bin to your left, and step through the metal detector for further processing. Have a nice day!

    The Eurpoean Union was a good idea when it was an economic union. Increasingly, however, European countries seem to be giving up thier individual sovereignty, and the result is legislation like this. Instead of removing economic restrictions to promote free trade, the EU is now creating new political and social restrictions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this was never it's original intent, right?

    1. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Idealius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seeing as file sharing allows millions to avoid paying for commercial music, software, movies, etc. I would say that this is more of an economic issue than social or political.

    2. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Thrymm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyday we are losing rights, and everyday we are getting closer to the fictional worlds of Fahrenheit 451 and 1984... Im not condoning piracy, but this seems to give them Gestapo powers if even if they have no proof.

    3. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Eurpoean Union was a good idea when it was an economic union. Increasingly, however, European countries seem to be giving up thier individual sovereignty, and the result is legislation like this.

      I disagree. The EU also gives us good laws, like the Bill of Human Rights. What you are complaining about is that any given lawmaking body is prone to having stupid laws proposed and occasionally passed.

      Speaking as somebody from the UK, I have no inherent problem with giving up the UK's sovereignty in favour of laws that are decided across the whole of Europe, as long as it's executed correctly. The UK government makes cockups all the time, I see no reason why things would be any worse under EU law.

    4. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by PyromanFO · · Score: 1

      If you think a bill that allows corporations to raid your house without proof has anything to do with file sharing, you need a little morning coffee :)

    5. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by oni · · Score: 1

      Instead of removing economic restrictions to promote free trade, the EU is now creating new political and social restrictions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this was never it's original intent, right?

      Oh, that was the original intent alright, just not the *stated* intent.

      I still get a chuckle though when I think back just a year or two ago whenever stories about encryption or the DMCA would run on slashdot. Invariably, citizens of the EU would post about how glad they were that they don't live in the US. How's that air of superiority working out for you guys?

    6. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Synonymous+Yellowbel · · Score: 1

      So a lack of access to music due to artificial scarcity imposed by huge corporations trying to apply traditional microeconomic theory to intangible zero-marginal-cost goods isn't a social issue? Oh wait... maybe it's BOTH.

    7. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invariably, citizens of the EU would post about how glad they were that they don't live in the US. How's that air of superiority working out for you guys?

      Air of superiority? I was glad that I didn't live in the USA whenever a story came up about stupid USA laws. That's nothing to be ashamed of, and a stupid proposed law over here in Europe doesn't make my attitude a mistake.

    8. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goal of people who have power is almost always to gain more power. Even if no one said that was the goal, it was.

    9. Re:Welcome to the United States of Europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      America and Europe still have their differences.

  12. Re:The big advantage to the EU passing this law no by cyborch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would have modded you wrong. Sadly there is no "wrong" mod so I'm replying in stead...

    Please tell me where you have your information. How is internet acceptance much slower in EU than in US? 81% of the danish population have internet access at home according to Dansk Statistik.

  13. War by ka9dgx · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Its rapidly coming to a head, the fact is the corporate interests have declared war on the public. We the people lost the US, and now they want to make it official, and worldwide.

    For the most blatent example, see the "free market" sell off of the assets of Iraq, completed before its people get a chance to react.

    --Mike--

    1. Re:War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm certain you could ask some Corporations about that and you'd get the response like, "What, there are people in Iraq? How? We didn't put them there?"

      "If we didn't put them there, then its highly probable that you did."

      "Please remove your people, they are infringing on our Corporate rights. If you do not remove your people we will sue to regain our rights that are rightfully ours."

  14. Not on Front page?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this not on the front page?

    1. Re:Not on Front page?? by Trelane · · Score: 1


      After having seen how things are dealt with in here, I assume that it's because it's the European Union, not the United States of America. Were this the latter, it'd be Front Page News. EU is not evil by definition whereas the USA is, so there ya go.
      </mode>

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  15. Live FREE or die by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If I had a gun, and they wanted to illegally enter... I'd assume they were crooks, and act accordingly... empty the clip into them, and dive for cover while reloading.

    The police aren't the law... WE are the law. We set this government up, and WE have the right to override/revise/replace it.

    --Mike--

    1. Re:Live FREE or die by DjReagan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does "emptying the clip into them" constitute reasonable force in the US these days?

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    2. Re:Live FREE or die by Ummagumma · · Score: 1

      Did it back when the British were taxing us without representaion?

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    3. Re:Live FREE or die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When in fear of one's life, yes. Depending on the state, one may have a presumption of self-defense against intruders who are unlawfully breaking and entering.

    4. Re:Live FREE or die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think he was trying to draw the distinction between stopping them (i.e. shooting them once or twice) and killing them (i.e. emptying the clip).

      If you knock somebody down with a bullet in the chest, it's hard to argue self-defense if you then stand over them and put another dozen bullets into them.

    5. Re:Live FREE or die by trezor · · Score: 1
      • The police aren't the law... WE are the law. We set this government up, and WE have the right to override/revise/replace it.

      I fully agree, but most people don't think so. Most people are such a bunch of sheep that they consider things ethicly right or wrong depending on it's legality.

      Which is fscked up beyond beilef. People seem to forget that they are officially in charge in a democracy. They have a right to disagree.

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    6. Re:Live FREE or die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.humangenetherapy.com/forensic/report/pd f/section2.pdf

      Michael Platt was shot through his arm and into his chest cavity. He continued to slaughter police officers for over 4 minutes.

      If you obviously walk over to a dead or incapacitated person and shoot them again, clearly you've gone beyond self-defense. But that isn't how firefights happen outside of gangster movies.

      Any sane person would shoot until they are certain their attacker is incapacitated (or dead).

  16. Re: Losing rights by ka9dgx · · Score: 3, Interesting
    We lose rights if we don't exercise them. The price over liberty is eternal vigilance, and we're not vigilant. We lost control a long time ago, when the 14th amendment was used to give Citizenship to Corporations. How can we mere mortals compete with an Amoral, Immortal, purely greedy entities in a struggle for power?

    We've got an educational system that pumps out standard model consumer units, instead of concerned Citizens. Only a few of us were fortunate enough to have a nasty childhood which had the benefit of distracting us from the brainwashing.

    We unhappy few are pissed that we've got a system where the majority has been assimilated, and are willing to be sheep. We need to wake them up, or get them the hell out of the way, before this whole system implodes under its own weight... or as a last resort, figure out how to hunker down and ride out a rerun of Nazi Germany.

    --Mike--

  17. What is the solution? by tevita · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I see article after article expounding the evilness of the corporate might bullying the public for their own greedy ends. It so seems to be a losing battle, where the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many. Is this a generational thing? Are we looking at an outmoded social order whose decline can be likened to that of the Roman Empire? I dunno, except I refuse to be part of the greedy, however I can best achieve that.

  18. Re:The big advantage to the EU passing this law no by Singletoned · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually it wasn't true 50 years ago. It hasn't been true since the industrial revolution (which started in England and spread through Europe).

    If anything, America was most recently a cultural backwater (during the late 1800's) and has only relatively recently become 'civilised'.

  19. the right to read by wotevah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Worth rehashing, because this story looks more and more normal every day, until we're going to discard it with a "naturally! and what are you complaining about ?"

    Excerpt from the "The Right to Read" article:

    For Dan Halbert, the road to Tycho began in college--when Lissa Lenz asked to borrow his computer. Hers had broken down, and unless she could borrow another, she would fail her midterm project. There was no one she dared ask, except Dan.

    This put Dan in a dilemma. He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his books. Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first. Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.

    ... Read the rest here: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

  20. I'm glad! by Wolfger · · Score: 1

    I'm actually happy to hear how draconian this proposal is. That decreases its chances of being passed, I think. I hope. Okay, really I'm worried... Just because any rational person would vote this monster down doesn't mean any politician will.

  21. What about constitutional rights? by retards · · Score: 1

    Most European countries have a constitution that cannot allow this law to come into effect. It will , I'm sure, be an interresting debate (if there is one...).

    This is really a desperate attempt, and I have a hard time believing this law will ever fly. There is no turning back the clock and these kind of asenine attempts will only estrange the general public even more from the current law. Fascism and free markets don't mix very well, since people tend to want to decide things for themselves and like to think that they have a right to freedom and prosperity. Take that away and the system breaks down.

    I find the frightening part to be that a lot of lawmakers seem to be oblivous of the gravity of going against what people perceive to be "their rights". If just 5% of the public in Europe were to walk out of their place of work or even steal a candy bar, there would be horrible aftermath. This kind of legislation only provoces more civil disobedience (or something worse).

    1. Re:What about constitutional rights? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most European countries will have to suspend their constitutions when joining the European Union and they also MUST observe the International Laws, even when those laws may conflict with the domestic laws.

  22. makes no sense by ajagci · · Score: 1

    According to the BSA, 25 per cent of software in use in the UK is illegal. It claims that reducing this to 15 per cent would generate an extra 2.5bn in tax revenues and 40,000 jobs in the IT sector

    Imposing an extra 2.5 billion pounds in taxes on revenues, plus an extra 25 billion pounds in costs on businesses, would be a huge minus for the economy, in particular given that a lot of those 25 billion pounds would be leaving Europe. And how is paying more money to the likes of Microsoft or Oracle going to create IT jobs? But, I suppose, those kinds of arguments may make sense to an association aptly named the "B.S. Association".

    The solution, of course, is not to pirate commercial software, the solution is to dump it altogether.

    I would actually be all for the most draconian enforcement of commercial licenses possible. But I fear that much of this is actually a smokescreen for hassling open source users, because the presumption will likely be that if you didn't pay for a Microsoft license, you must have pirated their software.

  23. works both ways by ajagci · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It fails to define the term 'intellectual property rights', so interpretation will vary hugely from country to country when/if the directive becomes law, undermining one of the main objectives of the legislation: harmonising EU law.

    OK, good, so when we believe Vivendi Universal is using GPL'ed software in violation of the provisions of the license, I guess that means we can have their corporate hardware and software seized and the homes of their corporate officers searched.

    Furthermore, the amount of encrypted (so-called VPN) traffic entering and leaving their site clearly indicates that they must be running a covert file sharing network and using cryptography to share illegally obtained content.

    These people are still living in the intellectual dark ages, where they think that they are the only ones who hold copyrights. I think if they started becoming aware what risks they expose their own companies to, they might tread a little more carefully with such proposals.

  24. This will be coming to the US too by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    Under the banner of "harmonization" which is a big part of how the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 was argued for (and won). It would be foolish to look at this legislation as something that happens "over there", something we don't need to educate the public about here too.

  25. Quick, share everything Vivendi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Quick! Find all the Vivendi intellectual property and put in on file-sharing systems.

    When having copies of intellectual property is even more illegal, hackers will still have it. The proposed laws are just daring every hacker in the world to post everything they can find.

    Those who don't like to think carefully about social problems, and have power, often say, "Let's make a law", instead of thinking.

    However, someone must do the thinking, or the problem will not be solved.

    1. Re:Quick, share everything Vivendi. by Mishtara2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No,
      better,

      Short a Vivendi stock toady!
      They are nothing but a huge corporation in major trouble, it's going to be the "Enron of europe", very soon, and like a wounded beast they "die hard".

      Incidentally I am familiar with Vivendi's "environmental" operations, who represent a huge part of thier busines and I can tell you that thier tactics are almost solely based around bribery of officials.
      They deserve to die, especially now!

      --
      "667 - Neighbour of the beast"
  26. tie everything together so no one is safe by Facekhan · · Score: 1

    If they actually want to start giving corporations police powers then we are all in trouble. The day that Vivendi can freeze your bank account or search your house cause you copied a cd for a friend is the day that smart people stop putting their money in banks and start holding on to their cash for privacy reasons. If I were an EU bank I would be worried because if people think that their money is not safe in banks the banks will start failing and the economy will tank.

  27. Conflict of interest? by Dachannien · · Score: 1

    The bill has been proposed by the French MEP Janelly Fourtou, whose husband is the the head of Vivendi Universal.

    Let no American complain about shady dealings with Halliburton when the French can let crap like that happen.

  28. France, eh? by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The French used to have the right idea about how to deal with uppity rich people. In case you're unfamiliar with it, it starts with 'g' and ends with "uillotine". I do hope the French people keep in mind that the old ways are the best ways. :)

  29. The 14th amendment? by molo · · Score: 3, Informative

    What does the 14th amendment have to do with this? Corporate personhood is a legal fiction invented by the courts in the 1886 case "Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad Company".

    -molo

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    Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
  30. What's the term... by Mishtara2001 · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there a term for texts,
    like the article,
    that describe societly where corporations rule and "Copyright infrigment" is a death penalty offence?


    ..Oh, right, cyberpunk.

    --
    "667 - Neighbour of the beast"
  31. Prep Fire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just the shot across the bow. While we're all at the pub celebrating the failure of this bill, the new improved version (with 40% less national socialism, mein fueher!) will be quietly passed as a "reasonable compromise".

    Mark my words!

    --Grendel's mom

  32. Here's what I wrote to MEPs by SST-206 · · Score: 1

    Dear Mr. Huhne,

    Please could you use your influence to challenge the proposed EU directive on Intellectual Property Rights Enforcement which will be voted on on March 8th 2004. This directive as it stands is deeply flawed as it treats individual people who may unintentionally infringe copyright in the same way as ruthless criminals and counterfeiting gangs. Please support (on my behalf) an amendment to the directive which would target the master criminals rather than the ten year-old boy who taped his favourite song off the radio.

    While I agree that copyright is an important thing to protect (as an artist, I would not like my work to be ripped off against my wishes), I am concerned that granting corporations the right to invade people's homes with private police forces is just too far into George Orwell's 1984 to belong in a free 21st Century.

    I am concerned about the way in which this directive is being rushed through parliament by certain parties without proper debate. It should be altered so that measures taken are relative to the scale of infringement so as not to erode basic civil liberties nor stifle innovation.

    Thanks for your time,
    Malcolm Smith

    [Vaguely modelled on the EFF's page]

    Come on people: take a few minutes this weekend to ensure these good people have messages in their Inbox on Monday morning!

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    Co-operation beats competition