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Uncle Science Olympiad Needs You

Devlin-du-GEnie writes "I'll be judging an event for Florida's state Science Olympiad this coming weekend. It's kind of like a track meet of science and engineering. The participants are middle- and high-school students from all over Florida. (There are also two elementary school divisions.) I judged an event last year. It was incredibly rewarding to see kids fiercely competitive and engaged with problem solving. It's chock-full of geekly joy." Read on for some more details, including how you can get involved in the program.

The menu of events includes:

  • Bottle Rocket
  • Cell Biology
  • Chemistry Lab
  • Designer Genes
  • Disease Detectives
  • Dynamic Planet
  • Experimental Design
  • Robot Ramble
  • Storm the Castle (catapaults!)
  • Naked Egg Drop
Regional and state olympiads take place around the country. They always need volunteers to judge and help out. Check out the national Olympiad site and see what you can do to help. Their 20th anniversary national event is this May about 90 miles west of Harrisburg, PA."

41 comments

  1. A word from the Florida olympiad committee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to bribe the Olympiad Board with kickbacks and hookers just to agree to let us host this thing in Florida. Come one, come all, and enjoy!

    1. Re:A word from the Florida olympiad committee by sljgh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My college co-sponsors these events in Kansas City each year, and I can say they are a blast. Last year I ran the bottle rocket program, which uses air pressure to shoot soda bottle rockets into the air. It was so cold that rockets were freezing to the launcher. We had to pry them off, blasting ourselves with water and making us that much colder. Some rockets were very impressive, getting hangtimes of 15-17 seconds with only 60-70psi in them.

  2. An Alternative by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Informative

    The American Indians in Science and Engineering (http://aises.org/) have a similar event every year in Alburquerque. All ther regional winners attend. They're always glad to have volunteers for judging or other administrative help, and one need not be Indian to join.

    For anyone considering helping out at any such event, don't forget an employer might be willing to pay your way in return for the good PR they'd get.

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    1. Re:An Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For anyone considering helping out at any such event, don't forget an employer might be willing to pay your way in return for the good PR they'd get.

      My employer is going to pay me to leave work and hang out with a bunch of kids, playing with science toys. Uh-huh. Right. Buddy, you don't know my employer very well.

    2. Re:An Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should look for another job then.

    3. Re:An Alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, in this economy tech jobs are plentiful! I'll just quit over my boss's not paying me to take part in some charity event and find someone who is more appreciative of my little quirks!

  3. Question... by hookedup · · Score: 1

    Ok.. I browsed the links, and I've still yet to find a definition for the "naked egg drop".

    Now this isnt something I want to be searching from work.. anyone heard of this?

    1. Re:Question... by Gestahl · · Score: 4, Informative

      The naked egg drop is a twist on the old "drop the egg from a window inside a padded thing and see if it lasts" schtik. In this, the thing you build sits on the floor, and you drop the egg "naked" and see how high you can drop it from and it still not crack when it lands in your device. Our team won several years ago simply using *extremely* fine sand in a box ;-).

    2. Re:Question... by JoeRobe · · Score: 1

      Yeah when I was in high school our naked egg drop for SO was this fine clay powder that you could mix with water and make whatever consistency you wanted. we were able to drop from 4 meters onto a slab 1.2 cm thick and it wouldnt break...it was very very cool

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    3. Re:Question... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      The "naked egg drop" is a hAX0R competition where you try to take down machines with older operating systems using malformed network packets while wearing no clothes.

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  4. ah, olympics by glassesmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Remember when you were a kid and there was stuff named [something] Olympics (no not Special Olympics)
    Then they came and sued everyone to make them rename their organizations...
    Ah, simpler times, back when I used to watch WWF.

    1. Re:ah, olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, simpler times, back when I used to watch WWF.

      I watch them too, especially when they save pandas and other rare animals. Cool.

  5. An Innocent Question by GuyMannDude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I know this will be interpreted as a troll but I'm really interested in the answer. Is any attempt made at determining whether these kids get help from their parents? Is it done by the honor system? I would think that meddling from over-excited parents would be a significant factor in these science olympiads (kinda of the equivalent of steroids in the real olympics).

    I remember back when I was in 5th grade the class had to build 'solar cookers' that we could use to cook our lunch for that day. Mine was passable but not great. Scott L., had a solar cooker you wouldn't believe. I was struggling to get enough heat in there to cook weenies and he was heating frozen pizzas, I kid you not. Not too surprisingly Scott's father was a high-school science teacher. Now it is theoretically possible that Scott was simply a smarter kid than I was (although it's worth noting that years later I would go on to get a Ph. D. in a scientific field from one of the most prestidous science institutes in the world and Scott did not) but I think we can pretty much agree that it's more likely the reason for Scott's superior performance was because he had considerable help from parents whereas I built my thing with my own two (small) hands.

    That was over two decades ago. In that time parents, if anything, have gotten even more insistent that their kids perform better than their peers. Parents so often push their kids to excel just so they can brag about them at work or at the local garden club meeting or whatnot. So I ask you, how much of a problem is parental-assistance in these science olympiads in this day and age and how do you deal with it?

    GMD

    1. Re:An Innocent Question by sljgh · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of the events are not done ahead of time. There are programming events, math events and biology events as well as some that require the constrction of contraptions (egg drop etc.) that are started and completed at the competition by the students. Parents and coaches can do as much as they can to prep the kids, but only the judges know the questions, problems, or what supplies are available ahead of time.

    2. Re:An Innocent Question by Gestahl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a very fair point, and I have been both a judge and a participant, and parental help was a big part of it, and brought a lot of families together (especially with me and my dad, who don't relate very well outside of building and planning things).

      I think you are also not taking into account that most of the events are information recall, and problem solving on paper: not just engineering events like the balsa tower and egg drop. Parents can do very little to help there, except help their kids learn. Few kids should need help with reading information.

      The thing that really is bad, however, is when the *teachers* interfere too much in the competition. As unfair as it is for parents to give too much help, it is even more unfair with the teachers, since my school had several PhD's teaching, as opposed to the public school system.

      The real answer is that if the kid really wanted to, he could seek help from others if his parents/schoolteachers were not satisfactory.

    3. Re:An Innocent Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      it's worth noting that years later I would go on to get a Ph. D. in a scientific field from one of the most prestidous science institutes in the world and Scott did not

      Damn straight! You really showed that cheating little punk Scott! And even better, now all of Slashdot knows it! Man, I'd hate to be that guy right now. You the man!

    4. Re:An Innocent Question by Overdrive_SS · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I participated in Physics Olympiad in 8th grade(which would be about 10 years ago now). You obviously knew all of the events ahead of time, but as the above poster said, most were done at the meet I suppose you could call it. And each team member knew which event he/she would be participating in.

      There was a paper airplane toss, you had to build it at the meet, but you could spend as much time before hand coming up with what you thought was the perfect plane. The winner was the plane that flew the farthest. I think you only got one try at it too.

      There was a contest to build a bridge with a specified number of popsicle sticks that had to meet certain height and width criteria and the winner was the bridge that held the most weight.

      I do remember there being one event where you made an insulator. It had to be a specific size and had to hold a beaker of a specific size, otherwise it was up to you what to do with it. The winner was the one that lost the least heat in an hour or two. That one was built at home, since it would be hard to construct it so quickly.

      Then there was a test and also a jeopardy game. The categories and suggested reading were given ahead of time, but not specific answers.

      Anyways, these things are a lot of fun. I remember a catapult toss as one of the events and an egg drop. Those were both made beforehand as well. I think the teacher was responsible for insuring that the students actually did the work and not anyone else.

      Oh, and in case anyone cares, my team brought home the gold here in NW Florida. Still have my little ribbon somewhere. Physics rules!

    5. Re:An Innocent Question by Aerion · · Score: 1

      Is any attempt made at determining whether these kids get help from their parents? Is it done by the honor system? I would think that meddling from over-excited parents would be a significant factor in these science olympiads (kinda of the equivalent of steroids in the real olympics).

      The answer is that no, no attempt is usually made to determine if there was parental aid. Of course there is some parental help in some cases. However, as has been pointed out, having outside help usually only comes in handy on building events, and at most competitions, building events comprise a minority of events (at the Greater Cincinnati regional, 6 of 23 events last year involved building something beforehand).

      I am not aware of any specific Science Olympiad policy prohibiting outside help in building something for the competition.

    6. Re:An Innocent Question by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is any attempt made at determining whether these kids get help from their parents? Is it done by the honor system?

      Many of the events require on-the-spot stuff. Those that don't, yes, its possible. Years ago I built a egg launcher with a few friends for a Sci Olympiad competition, and my father came up with the idea of a composite-core catapult arm(aluminum shower curtain rod, which is what we had been using, only with a wood core glued in. Tt worked, we stopped bending the arm...and yes, we were using that much force- we could launch an egg clear across a football field with no problem. We set up next to some folks with a rubber band and a teaspoon...they were slightly disappointed). Still, we did 95% of the construction and design entirely on our own as a team, and fully 50% of the equation was catching it(we luckily had a lacrosse player on our team!) Not to mention, we learned something about composite materials.

      Furthermore, it's a team effort- most of the people I knew on the team would have been rather put off if someone's parents contributed too much, probably to the point of mentioning it to the advisor.

      Oh, the other project I was involved in was a rube goldberg machine. I was told, by my two other teammates, that my one part of the machine was virtually the only thing that worked, and it worked VERY well. It was a wad of steel wool hooked up to a switch and battery, to ignite or cut something. The fire apparently spread a tad(numerous components involved wood, plastic, paper, etc).

    7. Re:An Innocent Question by Endareth · · Score: 1

      I'm not so sure how it works in this instance, but back at high school when I was doing Maths and Chemistry Olympiad stuff, most of what we were working on was well beyond what any high school parent would have been able to follow, unless by chance they were maths/chemistry researchers at the local university and happened to be specialised in just the right areas! And even if a parent was in a position to know what was going on, there was very little actual homework -- almost all the work/study was done in classrooms at school. So all a parent would really be able to do would be to encourage their child to read up more on certain things, and I'd consider that not just allowable, but preferable.

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    8. Re:An Innocent Question by Paul+Dirac · · Score: 1

      When I participated in Science Olympiad, no attempt was made to determine if we recieved help. Help from parents usually wasn't a problem, it was help from the teacher/coach themselves. In certain cases, help was fine, i.e. using power tools, etc. Plus, you have to consider the kids participating in Science Olympiad- I wouldn't want my parent or a teacher to build something... we were nerds, and enjoyed doing it ourself!

  6. Mission Possible by jon787 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I loved that event, we had a butane torch in ours on year and debated the judge on what an "uncontrolled" flame was.

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  7. funny thing is by nocomment · · Score: 1

    There's like 3 guys in the bleachers. :-) I wonder how many of them are judges?

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    1. Re:funny thing is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5 of them are judges, the other 2 got bored.

  8. No mission possible?! by jpmkm · · Score: 1

    Bah! You aren't doing mission possible? That's the best damn one there is. I did that for three years. It was the only event I actually prepared for, but I always got pulled into physics lab and experimental design and shit about a week before competition. The web searching one was fucking easy. I did it I think the first year they had it, and my partner and I pretty much copied and pasted shit and we won. Next year we did it expecting it to be the same, and it was some god damn biology thing that we actually had to think about! Anyway, science olympiad is really fun. Too bad I'm going to college now about a million miles from fucking anywhere(kirksville, mo) and I don't think there are any competitions around here.

    1. Re:No mission possible?! by eoyount · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of competitions in Missouri. I would be shocked if there weren't any around Kirksville. I went to the state competition one year, and there were teams from every corner of the state there.

      And if you didn't like where Truman State was located, you should have gone to college in the "Middle of Everywhere" like I did, Rolla, MO!

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  9. Science Olympiad rocks! by Gestahl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Just wanted to throw my $0.02 on NSO organization. I think that with the school system the way it is, and the serious problems we seem to be having teaching basic science to people, this is one of the most worthy causes you can easily contribute to if you care about sciences and education. Plus, its *fun* as a judge to see what people come up with.

    For me personally, it was something that a geek could excel in and interactively work with others and enjoy versus just sitting with the book. Plus, I love tinkering and doing practical engineering (one event I loved was called "Mystery Build" where you had a box full of random string, wood, paper, etc. and they had you build a cantilever or something when you got there).

    35 medals over 4 years, 3 of them at the National Level (you *have* to see the Rube Goldberg devices they have up there). Some of the best fun I ever had with school (plus, you got to go on cool trips to Chicago and DC).

    1. Re:Science Olympiad rocks! by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      "35 medals over 4 years, 3 of them at the National Level (you *have* to see the Rube Goldberg devices they have up there). Some of the best fun I ever had with school (plus, you got to go on cool trips to Chicago and DC)." .........where are you from? I'm from Webster NY and we had a simillar level of sucess...

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  10. I competed in that during high school.. by pacsman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was alot of fun. I remember my school went to the national competition in Indiana the first time we competed. It was a bit like a condensed fun-science course. I worked on the build-a-tower-as-light-as-possible part of it. The first time around we used dowel rods. You could stand on the thing, but it weighed so much we never stood a chance. Our second iteration of balsa wood kept falling apart because we waited until the last minute and the cyano-acrilate hadn't set yet. That was a really fun competition, although the robotics were more fun. JETS was good too. MA(theta) was never my thing.. damn, there were alot of those if your school was into it.

  11. Science Olympiad is a blast to judge too! by jkinney3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have had the pleasure of judging different Science Olympiad events for a number of years now. I started with "Metric Mastery" for the middle school crowd. It involves some pretty difficult estimation skills.
    After I got my own college physics lab to run, I ran the entire physics lab portion of the Science Olympiad for 3 years. I got to do both the regional and the state competitions. I was enthusiastic about the future after seeing what these kids could do!
    I'm now at my third school and Science Olympiad is comming up. It's a great event to be involved with!

  12. Science Olympiad by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    I loved that. I was the state champ in Road Rally (it was just reading topo & road maps and taking a test) and took second in bridge building (my 11 g bridge held 18 kilos or something close (I seem to recall 40 lbs)), and my partner and I hit the big city paper). Extra bonus were the HP scientific calcs that were donated to winners. That got me started on RPN, which might even be better. I'll have to see if I can help out now.

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  13. I remember by Popadopolis · · Score: 1
    I remember being in the Science Olympiad (the shirt still fits). The only year I was in it (before going to a new school) was, so far, the only year my school made it to states. Pretty pathetic, eh? Despite being a painfully large school, we barely had any members. That year, every thing we made worked perfectly in regionals (pretty brilliant stuff, too. One of the members later went to a national robotics competition), but everything crashed and burned in states (more literal for some of the experiments than others).

    Okay, that rambled a bit. All I can possibly conclude from my digression of a post is this: If you have the opportunity, participate somehow in the competition. Be a judge, participant, organizer, anything! It is damn well worth it (as one of my science teachers used to say)!

  14. I remember the first one in New York, in 1983 by iblink · · Score: 1

    We got to visit Albany, a remarkably unexciting place to visit, even in the eyes of a 17 year old. The main challange for the first NY Olympics of the Mind was to build a stick balsa wood structure that could hold the most weight. There were a number of parameters, such as the total weight of the structure, type and amount of glue, and the minimum height off the ground (it also had to allow for a steel verticle bar to hold the dumbells). We were also not allowed to glue any two pieces over a greater length than the width of the sticks. We eventually came up with a great column design: we cut the sticks into perfect cubes and then glued thousands of cubes to sticks in cube-width intervals. The thing held every dumbell they had -- over 700 pounds! Such fun! I heartily recommend participating.

  15. Great Program by Watcher · · Score: 1

    I've met more than a few scientists/engineers over the years who were in Science Olympiad. I was in it every year of middle and high school, although the best years were in middle school. The students at Peirce were blessed to have one of the best coaches around (Charlotte Nighton), and my middle school team went to nationals all four years I was eligible to be a team member. The whole experience was a blast, and it helped make an otherwise miserable middle school experience livable. There need to be more programs like this, they're a significant help to introduce kids to the fun part of science and engineering where you're doing real, hands on, work, instead of rote memorization and tests.


    The kids are going to have a blast at Nationals in Juniata-its a nice little campus.


    - Matt

  16. Organizing a team by Aerion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Keep in mind that if you do want to participate in Science Olympiad, you will need a team of about 15 students (and 2 alternates, if you'd like) who are dedicated to their tasks. You can't win Science Olympiad if you're lazy, even if you're talented. It takes a lot of time, and considering that most regional competitions will be taking place within the next several weeks, you may find that there is not enough time to organize a team and prepare your events. Many events don't require thorough preparation, but several of them do.

    Check with your regional coordinator to see if you will be allowed to take a partial team (last year my school took a team of 7 students and participated in only 14 of 23 events). It could still be fun to show up and only participate in some events, even if you just want to see if you're interested in next year's competition.

    Other science-related high school competitions include the JETS TEAMS Engineering Competition and the National Science Bowl, which is more of a trivia competition. Unfortunately, it is too late to register for or participate in either of these events this year (most Science Bowl regional events are in February, with the Nationals in early May).

  17. You know you're getting old when by rk · · Score: 2, Funny

    You see an event like this and wonder "why didn't my high school do this when I was there?" only to realize that the event didn't exist yet when you were in high school.

  18. Science Olympiads is over-rated by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I decided that I didn't like SO after watching big high schools stomp little high schools into dust. This is a time when people's egos are very fragile, and there is simply too much importance put on those "bronze", "silver", and "gold" medals. With smaller schools, kids would have to take on multiple events to qualify, which is a real burden. Also, schools with helpful parents fare much better, especially for the construction events. Building a rube-goldberg machine is a bit easier if someone's dad has a garage full of junk or works for a surplus store.

    The nationals were very sensationalistic, too. Not to mention far away, meaning many people were disappointed when their stuff got there broken.

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  19. Unsportsmanlike Conduct by fdamstra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I actually got disqualified from a Science Olympiad event when I was in eighth grade, and I'm still bitter.

    The contest? Hot house. The goal, using the lightest mass fully enclosed "house" possible, try and insulate 100mL beaker of 100 water. Basically, the judges would fill a beaker for you, you'd place it in your device, and they'd take the temperature after 30 minutes.

    The scoring was something like: deltaT*mass, and lowest score wins. deltaT measured in degrees Celsius and mass in grams. It didn't take me long to realize that the scoring wasn't geared toward the best insulator, but actually toward the lightest material.

    So building a small rectangular house out of paper led to a design with a high loss of temperature, but a really low score. I thought it was brilliant. The judges thought it was cheating.

    I still don't think I should have been disqualified. I got my first place my other event, but strangely, I don't remember what that was.

  20. I'm doing that! by Josh+Booth · · Score: 1

    I'm doing that, you insensitive clod!

    Actually, our team is doing states up here in New Jersey, having moved on from regionals by default.

    Ehem. This requires some explaining.

    Our high school had never before fielded a Science Olympiad team and we figured that our first time would be just a learning experience and didn't expect to do well. There is an event called "Sounds of Music" where you build two instruments and play Chester, and answer a few music related questions. We didn't have time to build them, so we didn't have any. After the first round of events, someone told our team leader that since only eight teams showed up, all eight would move on unless they couldn't compete in all events. So, my friend and I were pulled out of whatever event we were currently doing (and had backups), and we built two musical instruments for the event less than an hour away!

    I was dumbfounded. Even so, using the manilla folders we had, we build a cross between a bugle and a kazoo. That is, until my buddy found that he could play a ruler pretty well. I added his rolled up folder tube to my tube and made a thing that sounded like crap but played from the required C3 (middle C) to C4. I had never played a buzzed instrument before, as I play Alto Sax. However, my friend has never played an instrument with more than one pitch, as he is a drummer.

    So, we went into the auditorium, explained our musical knowledge, tuned our instruments, and played Chester. Turns out that he could get TWO WHOLE OCTAVES out of a ruler! I got maybe one and a half. We then had to figure out the frequency of a note based on that of A3 (440 Hz). My friend did it logaritmically and the judges were confused and told us that we were wrong. But we couldn't calculate it because we couldn't use a calculator and can't do logs in our heads. He went and got a calculator anyway, and sure enough, he got the correct frequency (well, on an even tempered scale). They were amazed and said we were the only ones who had gotten close to their value, calculated by musical intervals.

    I also competed in astronomy, and we placed second, even though I know very little about astronomy. My other friend did fossil identification and placed fourth by bullshitting the entire way!

    So, we are going to states and I'm trying to perfect (more or less) what I call a SSPACARTD, or Single String Plucked Air Compression And Rarification Tunable Device. Basically, a single stringed guitar.

  21. You forgot an event: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Polymer Detective