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Macromedia to Port Flash MX to Linux?

LnxAddct writes "An article on CNet reports that Macromedia will start taking Linux more seriously. It will start this new initiative by making it's suite of tools run easily under WINE, then depending on the response it gets, it will port it's tools natively to Linux! Their Chief Software Architect, Kevin Lynch, stated, 'What we've been investigating is, When will it be time to bring our tools to Linux? I think it might be happening now.' Maybe 2004 will be the year of Linux."

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  1. Sweet. by hookedup · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is half the reason I dont use linux on the desktop. Now, get me a stable version of Photoshop CS, and I'm in.

    1. Re:Sweet. by rokzy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      but Acrobat Reader sucks on Windows too, especially the latest one (6) which takes twice as long to load (cf 5), offers no improvments, adds some new buttons to make the interface more cluttered, and displays a list of 100 patents while loading to piss me off.

      plus I hate programs that force useless things on me. is there a way to make the "My eBooks" directory fuck off?

    2. Re:Sweet. by GiMP · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm curious, have you tried the Gimp 2.0-pre? It is a much different beast than the 1.2 and older versions, and may surprise you if you haven't used it already.

    3. Re:Sweet. by AstroDrabb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Disney paid to have it work very well under wine. I used it under CrossOver Office with no problems. It seems like it is working well for Walt Disney Co.'s feature animation unit. Though to be honest, I am a programmer and not a graphic artist and Gimp meets all my humble needs : )

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  2. Flash plug-in? by Fancia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hopefully, this means that they'll take non-x86 platforms semi-seriously. ;b I'd like a PPC Flash plug-in, that's for certain.

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  3. Linux voids finally being filled... by oldosadmin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are some software titles that just -need- to be ported to linux, do to lack of OSS alternatives. The Macromedia MX line of tools is -definately- one of those.

    AFAIK, there is no alternative to Flash MX on Linux -- yes, Openoffice.org Impress will save to Flash, but to some designers, that's simply not powerful enough.

    And Dreamweaver MX is the -only- wysiwyg editor that I will allow to touch my code. It works cleanly and with compatibility, something no other wysiwyg editor, even oss ones, can claim. (disclaimer: I code in gedit ;D).

    On a side note -- didn't I read something a few months back about Adobe doing something similar with Photoshop?

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    1. Re:Linux voids finally being filled... by oldosadmin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't get me wrong -- flash as a website mainstay (nav bars, etc) is a HORRID idea.

      I just think Flash is a -great- cross-platform way to make games, movies, etc. AND many business will adopt linux if more of those tools are possible.

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    2. Re:Linux voids finally being filled... by AMystery · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I feel the same way. The lack of Dreamweaver was one thing that kept me on windows for longer than I wanted. Ever since I finally made the move I have been searching freshmeat, hoping that somewhere there was that miracle program that would do what I needed, but no such luck. Dreamweaver is by far the best WYSIWYG HTML editor, and for those who claim notepad (emacs), I can only assume you have never used dreamweaver. Its great how you can work with the code while also having the full power of a visual editor that just works. (Its like using a Mac:)

      I would prefer to have a native port, as my experiences with WINE have been less than stellar, but I will take whatever I can get.

      On a related note, I used Frontpage to make a site lately, mainly because I needed something simple, cheap and fast and it just happened to be on the system with MS Office. What happened to it? It used to be just a horrid WYSIWYG editor, but it has gone down hill! 2003 couldn't even upload the site and when I did finally get it up, it was broken, because it couldn't transfer its own _derived directory which for some strange reason contained most of the images. Admittedly I had low expectations, but it managed to underwhelm even those.

      Long live dreamweaver! Gimp is great for graphics, and while I miss Photoshop since it is what I learned, i am happy with the replacement. Give me dreamweaver and I will be happy.

      David, Frustrated Web Artist Extraordinaire.

  4. Response to SVG? by Stile+65 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Are they doing this as a response to SVG? Especially since Microsoft is "embracing and extending" SVG into WVG? It'd definitely be easier, without a Flash MX that runs on Linux, for Linux users to develop SVG than Flash. Many of the people that create interactive content that's as advanced as Flash are geeky enough to love or at least know how to get around in Linux.

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  5. Puhleeeasse NO! by wiresquire · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMHO, there can never be too little Flash.

    BTW for those who want to turn it off by default, all you need to do is rename the plugin, eg
    mv /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/local/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so.temp

    And if you REALLY need it, like those horrific sites that don't actually use HTML (car manufacturer sites are the worst offenders I come across) you can rename it back

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  6. Dreamweaver, and No WINE PLEASE! by FullCircle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why not port a native Dreamweaver? There is NO decent WYSIWYG HTML editor on Linux. Flash is an accessory to Dreamweaver. People who want Flash can't work without a decent HTML editor. They definately won't edit their HTML in vi, so they won't buy Flash for Linux.

    WINE is a pain when it comes to drive letters.

    First, it has a totally different view of the filesystem than every native app. It has a fake drive letter (Z: for instance) that leads to /, then you get to dig for the home directory.

    Or, if you set up the home directory as H: or whatever, the user ends up looking for their H: drive from a native app.

    WINE is unstable, even using the Crossover Office I bought to try to get my wife, the last holdout in my house, off of Windows.

    PLEASE, Macromedia, don't use WINE to hack this together and please port the main application FIRST!!

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  7. Because Flash is now all about applications by ObligatoryUserName · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Much to the dismay of many of my designer friends, the last few development cycles for Flash have been focused on Flash as an application platform. Just take a look at their recent initiatives, Flex, Central - they're targeting the developer community.

    Sad to say, lately their efforts haven't been going so well. Most of the people who are Flash programmers right now don't need new interfaces for creating Flash content because they're already acclimated to the old interface, and many programmers who aren't already in the Flash community aren't getting turned on by these changes to the tools because they already have strong opinions that they aren't open to changing. ("Flash is good for Strongbad, but why should I care?")

    So, how do they attract more developers? By going where the developers want to go, to Linux. It might seem obvious here on Slashdot, but this is real leadership in the market in which they operate - let's hope it starts a cascade that turns into a flood.

  8. Re:Thank god ... by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Saying that flash can be well used is like saying that giving guns to monkeys could actually repel an enemy attack. Technically it's possible, but totally unlikely to happen.

    For each 1 site which does use flash for something which absolutely needs an animated illustration of how something works, there'll be no less than 99 sites which:

    1. Just make the whole goddamn site in flash, including the plain text parts. So now I have to wait 15 seconds on DSL (!!) for every single page to load. And I pity the poor buggers who are on dial-up.

    Bonus points for forcing me to use it all in a tiny flash window, instead of letting me use the whole 1600x1200. More bonus points for forcing me to read whatever flyspeck font looked good on some retard's 640x480 screen. God forbid that they give me plain HTML which I can zoom to a readable size in Opera.

    2. Clutter an otherwise potentially useful site with a bazillion slow-loading pointless flash animations. E.g., God forbid that they actually give me a link or button to click on, when they can make it a huge flash animation instead.

    3. Make me watch some retarded and huge flash ad before even seeing what the site has to offer. And then give me half a dozen huge slow-loading flash ads per page.

    4. Never even tested their flash crap on anything other than Windows 98 (or presumably now Linux). There's a difference in how the thread scheduling works in '98, NT, 2000 and XP. A tight loop which never yields control will _not_ slow the whole computer to a crawl on Win98. It _will_ on NT and 2000. So a single badly written flash ad (or java applet) can make my computer not even accept more than one keystroke per second. Oh, the fun.

    And who's to blame?

    A. The clueless graphics artist promoted to designer, without any extra training. Instead of making a usable site, he'll keep his old fetish that flashy graphics, colours and non-standard hard-to-read layouts are what art is all about.

    B. The SFV (Stupid Fashion Victim.) This can be an artist, a PHB or even a programmer. The common ground is that they think newer _must_ be better, no matter how idiotically mis-used.

    Don't get me wrong, new generally is better, but only when used right. Using plastic bottles instead of bricks, just because plastic is a newer technology, won't make a better building.

    C. The dot-bomb style PHB or marketroid. The kind who thinks that what matters isn't the content, usefulness or even having a product to sell. The kind who thinks that people will surely rush to buy any useless crap, or even stuff available for free everywhere else, if it's on a site with a megabyte of animations per page and flashy colours everywhere. Yeah, verily, we just need more blink tags and flash animations, and everyone will just rush to give us tons of money for nothing.

    Just for the record, I don't have anything against the professions of graphics artist, manager, or marketing expert. There are some skilled people in those professions. And I can respect someone's knowledge in any domain.

    My beef is with the ones who are obviously unfit for their job. Some may have been skilled in a completely unrelated domain, but they don't even start to realize how different the new domain is, or how their new job is really a completely different one, with completely different rules, and which requires different skills. E.g., that making a usable GUI is _not_ the same thing as painting a work of art.

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