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Did A Comet Trigger The Great Chicago Fire?

Alien54 writes "Perhaps it was not Mrs. O'Leary's cow kicking over a lantern that sparked the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, which destroyed the downtown area and claimed 300 lives. New research lends credence to an alternative explanation: The fire, along with less-publicized and even more deadly blazes the same night in upstate Wisconsin and Michigan, was the result of a comet fragment crashing into Earth's atmosphere."

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  1. Don't rule out the cow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That doesn't rule out the cow, though. I mean, if I were a cow and there were comet fragments raining down on me, you'd better believe I'd be kicking over any lanterns in the general vicinity!

    1. Re:Don't rule out the cow! by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I thought the cow story was made up by a reporter. It is a 19th century urban legend.

      Shows how much we have grown: Our 21st century urban legends involve comets and meteors instead of farm animals. Hmmm. I wonder if this extrapolates to sexual preferences :p

    2. Re:Don't rule out the cow! by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a lawsuit against attorney Kevin O'Leary, an heir of Mrs. O'Leary over that fire. Maybe he should bring the comet theory to the court's attention. He certainly doesn't want to be held responsible for the actions of a cow long before he was born, especially if the cow is innocent.

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    3. Re:Don't rule out the cow! by Jerf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, moderators, consider the source, OK? Said site also claims to have photographic proof of a Cardinals baseball cap in NASA Mars pictures, a story about how perfume are secret biological and chemical weapons tests, and a story about the power outage covering a Martian invasion.

      I'm 90% sure it's a deliberate humor site; I'd be more certain if they didn't seem to pull so many of their stories straight out of the paranoid schizophrenic playbook.

    4. Re:Don't rule out the cow! by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
      The Uncoveror is a journal of political satire, news parody, and sometimes outrageous farce.

      What a clever cover for their plot.

  2. Re:Same? by maphe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes. It is not widely known, especially after more than 100 years, but Mrs. O'Leary's cow was actually a raptor saurus.

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  3. Re: Same? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    > So, this is the one that killed the dinosaurs as well, yeah?

    No, the dinosaurs all died when a stegasaur kicked over a lantern...

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  4. Re:the flaming snowball theory? by pyr0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The interesting thing about objects that enter the atmosphere is that the rate at which the outer shell ablates away from friction exceeds the rate at which heat conducts through the material. If a chunk of such a comet were to reach the surface without breaking up during the process and land nearby, you could immediately find it see (and touch if you really are up for touching *really* *really* cold stuff) that the object was still frozen.

  5. Read that a couple of years ago by Bravo_Two_Zero · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't recall where, but I'd read that a couple of years ago. The main support came from what happend to a small town about 40 miles outside Chicago that was essentially obliterated by a rapid, intense fire. I think it was the center of the activity mentioned as "north of Chicago" in the article. I'm glad to see the theory getting a little more publicity and play.

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    1. Re:Read that a couple of years ago by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd read bits and pieces of this theory over the last couple decades, but never saw any kind of coherent whole.

      It's fascinating, and quite plausible, especially when you consider how rapidly the hugely widespread fires took place. I live in an area that experiences annual forest fires, and it's just not plausible that a simple localized fire could have started the whole Chicago area conflagaration. Not even California fires spread that fast.

      (from article)

      it also would explain the cause of the fires blazing north of Chicago, which wiped out 2,000 people and burned 4 million acres of farm and prairie lands.

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      In all, over a 24-hour period, an area of land the size of Connecticut was burned

      His explanation makes a lot of sense to me. Hats off to Mr. Wood, this is brilliant. (danged puns! :)

      I'd love to see his orbital analysis. Anyone know if it's available on the web? A search didn't reveal anything (probably just me not knowing what to ask)

      SB
      PS- Didn't Astronomy magazine do an article on this once? Or was it S&T?

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    2. Re:Read that a couple of years ago by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Informative

      "I don't recall where, but I'd read that a couple of years ago."

      I read it about 35 years ago. There were around 150 fires that night in various places around Wisconsin.

      I *think* it was in "Mysterious Fires and Lights" by Jacques Vallee, but I may be mistaken. It was, after all, 35 years ago.

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  6. in the spirit of gary larson, by The+Unabageler · · Score: 3, Funny

    was the comet made up of cows?

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  7. Disney Science... by braddock · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like the THEORY, but this is a story from Disney's esteamed peer-reviewed Discovery channel about a theory from a man who has spent decades as a known UFO investigator.

    Robert Wood's resume can be found here, at the site MajesticDocuments.com. Not that that necesarily discredits the theory, but it definitly gives some pause to the source.

    Braddock Gaskill

  8. Extraterrestrial Origin of Ruminants by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 3, Funny

    This supports my pet theory, that cows are actually from outer space.

    They created humanity in order to tend the fields for them, but somewhere along the line, the plan went horribly, terriby wrong for the ruminants.

    O'Leary's cow was trying to call in some airstrikes to inspire the resistance. Yet another dismal failure for the Glorious Extraterrestrial Cow Revolution...

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  9. Disney vs. Discovery by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Holy Crap! Disney owns Discovery?

    I don't think so. Here's a list of what Disney owns. Discover magazine is on there (scroll up to magazine titles), but it has no connection to Discovery Communications that I can find (scroll down to cable TV).


    Eisner demoted!
  10. other unexplained things about the Chicago fire by CoronalPendragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is worth noting that Chicago fire was not typical in many ways. The fire was unusually hot. One factory that burned melted pig iron 200 feet away. Buildings burned on a timescale of minutes, it was reported. Unlike your normal everyday fire, nothing was left half-burned. It also burned INTO the wind, which is contrary for usual fires. A guy in the New York Evening Post wrote, "buildings far beyond the line of fire, and in no contact with it, burst into flames from the interior". The other facts I noted may be referenced in The Annual Record of Science and Industry for1876, pg. 84 and History of the Great Conflagration Sheahan & Upton, Chicago, Illinois, 1871

  11. Easily explained by radiation physics by Tau+Zero · · Score: 5, Informative
    Buildings burned on a timescale of minutes, it was reported. Unlike your normal everyday fire, nothing was left half-burned. It also burned INTO the wind, which is contrary for usual fires. A guy in the New York Evening Post wrote, "buildings far beyond the line of fire, and in no contact with it, burst into flames from the interior". The other facts I noted may be referenced in The Annual Record of Science and Industry for1876, pg. 84 and History of the Great Conflagration Sheahan & Upton, Chicago, Illinois, 1871
    If you have a large and hot enough fire, heat radiation will be able to raise material to its ignition temperature some distance away. (This can be observed in forest fires; trees will burst into flame when the fire has not yet reached them. I understand that houses in the path of forest fires often burn when radiant heat ignites things like drapes.) This would also explain why a building would burn in minutes: when every room facing the front of the fire is ignited more or less at once, and the subsequent flashover ignites the far side a short time later, the building is going to burn much faster than if the blaze started at a single point.
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  12. Sound plausible considering... by weeboo0104 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That meteorite fragments hit Chicago last June(?). My windows was facing away from the city, but I was still able to see a bright flash which I thought was lightning at first. Anybody else in the Chicago area remember the meteorite last year?

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    1. Re:Sound plausible considering... by SEWilco · · Score: 3, Funny
      That meteorite fragments hit Chicago last June(?). My windows was facing away from the city, but I was still able to see a bright flash which I thought was lightning at first. Anybody else in the Chicago area remember the meteorite last year?

      No. I thought I saw something strange, but all I can clearly remember is a bright flash and two men in black walking away.

  13. Occam's Razor by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is an overly-complicated explanation for a tragic event. The fires were surrounded by wild-eyed accounts from people who were in mortal panic. Sensational journalism often "enhanced" the facts, and there really wasn't any way to check up on the factual basis of the stories.

    There was a very long, bone-dry period before the fires. The whole area was a tinderbox, heavily wooded at the time, with lots of underbrush; houses weren't built to fire codes, communication was slow so people didn't have the chance to evacuate. The physics of forest fires have to be seen to be believed; the fire will follow the fuel, not the wind. The fire creates its own wind and becomes a temporary blast furnace. The sheer heat from such rapid burning will easily cause objects to burst into flame when not in contact with the fire. The oxygen is also rapidly consumed, and suffocating gases produced, without the need for chunks of methane.

    There is also no real way to prove that many fires started simultaneously. Communication, again, was patchy and slow at best. The fire could spread along dozens of unpopulated paths and appear to pop up everywhere at once.

    Accidentally starting a fire is easy, and it's not so absurd to think that fires might have broken out in a few separate locations, given the tinder-dry conditions at the time. The times could have been separated by hours and still appear simultaneous. Things like lightning, static electricity, spontaneous combustion...they're all possible, but that's looking for an over-glamorous cause to a massive tragedy.

    The odds are very good that the fires were started accidentally by very mundane means. Someone's cooking fire might have wafted a spark into some dry grass, or someone might have dropped their pipe and not noticed until it was too late. The conditions were just so dry, the whole place was a firebomb on a hair trigger.

    Sometimes people want to take a tragic accidental event and attach some absurd, freak cause to it. It helps distance the event from them; if it can't happen normally, they don't have to worry about the risk, right? Many people prefer the "Navy missile" theory of TWA 800, instead of the "frayed wire" theory. It makes the tragedy the stuff of legends, and it doesn't hit quite so close to home anymore.

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