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Matchbox Sized Color Projectors?

Justin Nolan sent in a very brief link about ultra small projectors which says "Upstream Engineering is willing to provide miniature color video projectors for use with portable video player, travel TV, laptops and handhelds next year. Upstream's patented technology, called Photon Vacuum, maximizes the amount of photons sent to the target from the light source in a minimum space and allows the creation of devices free of a variety of components currently used in projectors that unnecessarily waste energy. Photon Vacuum enables the smallest projector designs in the world, ultimately to a size of matchbox. The company says is going to push the power consumption of the whole device ultimately to below 4 watts while still gaining a travel-TV sized color projection" You can also read Upstream's website for almost as little information.

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  1. Cost by cartzworth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Are they going to be 2k US+ like conventional projectors? Will they force the price of conventional projectors down?

    1. Re:Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The native resolution is 640x480. For anything more demanding than analog TV (HD, computer display, etc), that's horrible.

    2. Re:Cost by jafiwam · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, and at 700 lumens you'll have to climb in a cardboard box to see the thing.

      Other portables are around 1000-2000.

      Wall/ceiling mounts are 3000-4000 lumens.

      You get what you pay for, even if it is Swedish.

    3. Re:Cost by texaport · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anything that saves me from spending $350 on a friggin light bulb ($700 if you carry a spare) is a welcome trend.

      Even Thomas Edison could make a bulb that lasted beyond 70 hours with proper cooling...

    4. Re:Cost by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2, Interesting
      If I were buying a proper projector for home cinema I'd go for 1900+ but something cheap and portable to show up charts or a slideshow of my graphic work would work fine with 700.
      What light output is right for you really depends on several factors. Room lighting, the screen you project on, how large that screen is, these are all factors. Also, the display technology plays a part: if you get a DLP projector, you will need to have a bulb almost twice as bright as one in an LCD projector, if you want to have an equally bright image. Sounds like bullshit, but I have seen the difference in brightness between 1200 lumen LCD and DLP projectors.

      I settled on a 1200 lumen 800x600 LCD projector in the end, and I am very pleased with its performance. Sure, more lumens or more pixels is noticably nicer... but not so much more nice that I'd be willing to pay an additional $1000 for the extra quality. One very important aspect of the projector I settled on, is that it is really quiet. Bigger bulbs mean more noise, usually. It may also mean more expensive bulb replacements.

      The best advise I can give to people shopping for a projector is: go to a good store... preferably to a store like the one I went to, where the salesguy takes his time with you, and where they are able to show you two projectors at once side by side, so you can compare models. Lastly... get a proper screen to display it on, rather than projecting on a white wall.
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  2. Cheap! by The+Real+Chrisjc · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Does this mean that projectors will get smaller, cheaper and more high quality?
    The holy grail!

    Chris

  3. Already gone... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Site says it's down for "software upgrade".

    Anyone got a mirror?

  4. making a big screen by DavidDeLux · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now, if lots of these min-projectors could be put together in a matrix, will this mean that, finally, big screen TVs can be produced more cheaply. (If one mini-projector does dead, just swap it out).

  5. Power Consumption by Jotaigna · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thats the spirit. Every electric and electronic appliance should go for that goal. While the effort to finally get a cheap, clean and reliable source of energy is good, we must for once pay attention to nature and reduce power consuption to a minimum, that would buy us some time or being able to rely in smaller sources of energy like wind or solar pannels. Size does matter!!,
    Although I dont know what im going to do whith such a tiny proyector, maybe i'll put it in my back pockent and sit on it afterwards and break it. Or have it stuck in a child's ear.

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  6. Re:Aw man... by hattig · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Shows how much Slashdot checks a post before it hits the front page ...

  7. Ubiquitous Projection by BlueTooth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Obviously this would hinge on cost, but I seems to me that this would make it much more practical to integrate projected images through a living or work space. A lot of futuristic concepts include projectors in their design, but these units are always large and ugly. Having projectors conveniently displaying information and entertainment (TV, artwork, notifications, etc.) on surfaces throughout the house would be "really neat"

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  8. I call BS by MythMoth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There's nothing on that site to indicate that they're anything other than vapourware.

    It doesn't follow that it's impossible - on the contrary, I think this is a technology we'll be seeing very soon - I just doubt that it will be from this company.

    So why do I think we'll be seeing it soon ? Simple, grasshopper. Lasers. It's easy enough to build a poor quality monochrome vector display out of a laser diode and a couple of mirrors on motors. That's expensive and clunky.

    A laser diode and a couple of piezo-transducer-mounted mirrors would be a slightly more elegant mechanism, and if you can build a vector display with this, you ought just as easily to be able to build a raster display.

    So all we're missing is the cheap green laser diode and the cheap blue laser diode to complement the existing cheap red laser diode.

    Now, you CAN buy a green laser pointer that's only moderately painfully expensive - and now that there's an imminent demand for blue laser diodes for high density DVD players I'm hoping their cost will plummet.

    I don't have the skills to build this, but I'm hoping someone will get onto it soon.

    D.

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    1. Re:I call BS by srleffler · · Score: 5, Interesting
      There are blue laser diodes on the market now too, I believe. They're probably still too expensive.

      I don't actually expect laser projection displays to go anywhere. The advantage of a laser for projection is its high brightness (intensity in a small area). That's great for vector display where you want to "draw" bright lines. When you use a scanning laser for a raster display you lose this advantage, though. You need the same amount (intensity) of light with a laser as you would with ordinary projection. Unless the laser is more energy efficient than the ordinary projector, you're better off with the latter.

      There are also safety/legal issues with laser projection. Any laser bright enough for a large projection display is dangerous if it stops scanning. The projectors of course have interlocks that shut off the laser if the raster scan jams or stops, but such a system could fail or be defeated by someone with malicious intent.

  9. Advertise with them! by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 2, Interesting

    oh boy. now when your rfid chip is read, the ads on the walls can change to entice you as you walk by only to change for the next person's "sale match" item.

    yes, this will be a great tool for on-the-go presenters, but damn, i can hear the smiles on the marketing dept's collective face.

  10. I predict Vaporware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A brief google of "photon vacuum" comes up with a series of papers in the realm of quantum physics http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0954-3899/29/1/311.

    I need to finish reading what papers I can find regarding this concept, but so far it looks like something still in the arena of pure science. One article also refers to carbon nano tubes, so if this isn't vapor ware it will be expensive.

  11. I thought science... by holizz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    was about discovery and making great things. But apparently it's about patenting the best ideas.

    Why can't science be for the good of all not just for the ruling class? I hate it when people come up with good ideas then think they have to patent them.

    What would we be allowed to know about physics if Einstein patented his ideas? We'd have to pay to use E=mc^2.

    Science is about profit not discovering great things and sharing them with the world.

  12. Re:Vaporware! by booch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was thinking the same thing. The biggest tip-off is the talk about maximizing the amount of photons. Really, that's just techno-jargon saying that they want the screen to be bright. Any time you have to resort to techno-babble to explain simple things, it means that you probably can't even do the simple things, much less the difficult things.

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  13. Mini Projectors in Film by jhhl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the Boorman film ZARDOZ (1974), the futuristic denizens of that film use mini-projectors like these in their rings for interfaces. You can also see Charlotte Rampling and Sean connery in various states of undress.

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  14. Siemens already developed it in 2001!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Siemens already have this technology, working as a prototype... from 2001!? Upstream is a laggard!

    http://w4.siemens.de/FuI/en/archiv/pof/heft1_02/ ar tikel03/

    The miniature format is also of great interest in the field of projection technology. Siemens has developed a matchbox-sized daylight projector that can be plugged into a cell phone with a corresponding interface. The projector can be used for presentations in small meetings or for surfing the Internet. This projection cell phone was recently presented at the CeBIT 2002 computer show in Hannover, Germany. An LED array in the module lights up a microdisplay through a beam splitter. The light is modulated with the image information by the display, then exits through the projection lenses. Full-color pictures can be generated by rapidly illuminating the monochrome display with the red, blue and green LED colors in sequence. "This mini-projector can project onto any surface--even a piece of paper or the back of an airplane seat," says Marco Werner from Siemens Information and Communication Mobile. The projector currently generates 1.1 lm, enough to illuminate a postcard-sized surface. "But the prototype still offers enormous room for improvement," says Werner enthusiastically. With optimized design and equipped with more intense light-emitting diodes, it should be possible to improve the luminous efficiency by a factor of ten over the next two years.

    Of course, lasers have also been considered as a light source. Their use would make it possible to eliminate the focusing optics and to project onto curved surfaces. However, suitable miniature laser diodes are currently available only in red. The efficiency level of the blue and green solid-state lasers now on the market is still too low. In the distant future, Werner can also imagine 3D laser projectors that have no need of fixed projection screens. In such a situation, the image would then be created on a boundary surface like a patch of air whose density has been altered using ultrasound.