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GE Reaches OLED Milestone

swordboy writes "General Electric recently announced the largest and most efficient OLED panel ever created. The 24 inch square panel emits 1200 lumens with a power consumption of about 80 watts - on par with today's incandescent bulbs. This represents the first fruit from the NIST project with ECD Ovonics. The ultimate goal is a cheap, flexible display and lighting technology that can function with an efficiency of 100 lumens per watt. This would make great wallpaper." (And, I hope, a great backlight for laptops.)

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  1. Ahem.. by alphakappa · · Score: 4, Funny

    This would make great wallpaper."

    I can't wait to play Doom in a real house ;-)

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    1. Re:Ahem.. by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If its that thin and light, I'd happily just mount it as the side of my case; how convenient would that be?

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    2. Re:Ahem.. by chrispy666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      no, he uses the fake house to play Duke Nukem Forever...

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  2. Better yet... by Black+Art · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think it would make great contact lenses!

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  3. You are NOT insightful by putaro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, if there were no market and no clamor it would be called basic research. Often people can't figure out the use for things until after they exist. For example, lasers - when lasers were invented nobody had a good idea of what they would be used for. Today, they're ubiquitous. Likewise, regular LEDs. At one point HP was trying to decide whether they should continue research on LEDs. Marketing said "no - you'll never be able to have them compete with little lightbulbs" Bill Hewlett said "Go do it" and made a huge market for HP


    However, in this case, the uses are obvious - back lights for LCD screens come to mind immediately. Replacements for basic lightbulbs as well. LEDs are currently produced as little specks. In order to replace a high wattage bulb you have to team a number of them together. This is expensive. This process would turn out SHEETS of light emitting material. Also, efficiency. Current lightbulbs (and the prototype panel) produce about 15 lumens per watt - they expect to push the technology to 100 lumens per watt. This, coupled with longevity and a low cost to manufacture will drive existing lightbulbs and compact flourescents off the market. There are gaps that exist that the technology is filling

  4. Re:No clamor by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...no discernable market and no clamor for such a technology.

    Ask any architect or interior decorator about the possibilities of light sources which can be embedded in ceilings and walls.

    There's your market, right there.

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  5. Well... by Wiser87 · · Score: 5, Informative

    And, I hope, a great backlight for laptops.

    Actually, they would make up the main part of the screen assembly. OLEDs show color, as well as producing light (hence there will no longer be a need for a backlight).

  6. Needs efficiency AND durability by PoisonousPhat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's good that they are winning the efficiency battle, but if "OLEDs begin to fade after 3,000-to-4,000 hours" vs LCDs which "generally have a life expectancy of around 100,000 hours", then we are still very much in the interesting-but-not-quite-useable stage as far as computing is concerned. However, they seem to be fine as light bulb replacements, especially if production costs are low. Note that my figures are from an article from August 2003. Anyone have more recent statistics?

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    1. Re:Needs efficiency AND durability by Veramocor · · Score: 5, Insightful


      "But hey, at least its organic."

      So is botulism toxin and dioxin and PCB's. Just because something is organic doesn't make it good.

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    2. Re:Needs efficiency AND durability by wwwillem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Those 100,000 hours were not achieved "at once". I remember when I worked 10 years ago for an LCD manufacturer, how many problems there were initially with durability. Those things need a bit of time.

      It's in this context always nice to ask people: "What do you think lasts longer, a car or a lightbulb". The answer is nearly always "a car" allthough it is more or less the same. Let's assume a car drives 100,000 miles, at 50 mph, that makes a lifetime of just 2000 hours. Which isn't much....

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  7. Re:I've RTFAed, but I can't see... by jefe7777 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Edison's first bulb >>> 1.4 lumens per watt

    Modern 60 Watt bulb >>> 960 lumens

    from here

    http://www.ysartglass.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Bulbs /L B26efficient.htm

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  8. But what about the real problem? by Gubbe · · Score: 5, Informative

    OLEDs die.
    I was under the assumption that this was the main reason holding OLED displays back. Now it would seem that the panel described here is only for lighting purposes (white light only, no colors or even pixels for that matter), but presumably it will still die or at least dim after a few thousand hours of use.
    I recognize that this is not a major problem with cell phone displays and such, but if you plan on building the lighting of your house with these, you won't be too happy if next year or the year after that you get only 300 lumens instead of the promised 1200.

    1. Re:But what about the real problem? by ttsalo · · Score: 5, Informative
      OLEDs die.

      I'm pretty sure the first HID (high-intensity discharge) lamps weren't exactly long-lived either, but they're all over the place (in selected applications) now. Besides, if they can make a machine to just spit out OLED lighting sheet by the yard, it'll be mucho cheap.

      By the way, if the voltage is comparable to conventional LEDs, high-wattage OLED sheets are going to require completely silly power supplies. Or some sort of series-connected sheet assemblies.

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  9. Re:No clamor by kfg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No market? No clamor? Good Lord man, people have been dreaming of inexpensive, high efficiency, nealy infinite lifetime, luminous panels for many, many decades.

    In the book that I oft make reference to, Your Engineered House, published in 1964, a book which in many respects advocates older "technologies" as being the most suitable to to the task of supplying housing, he looks forward to a day when luminous panels might be available, as they provide the ultimate engineering solution to indoor lighting ( the light fixture in the center of the room/ceiling being the least desirable means, and yet the most prevelant).

    Not to mention the possible application of such, buy using RGB OLEDs, to visual displays. Your laptop, your TV, etc, all cheap, efficient, and nearly indestructable.

    And, or course, the advent of the "visual wall display" so often used in Science Fiction stories.

    No discernable market or clamor for such a technology? Man, you seriously havn't been paying attention.

    KFG

  10. Re:I've RTFAed, but I can't see... by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Informative

    A 100 watt incanscent light bulb puts out about 1600 lumens. or ~16 Lumen/watt

    OLED 1200l/80w = 15 Lumen/watt

    A compact florescent is ~1750l/29w = 60 Lumen/watt

    cold cathode tubes are at about 65l/w

    So these OLEDs have a long way to go effieciency wise before we get them in our portable computers.

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  11. OLED's by HyperMeson · · Score: 5, Informative

    The semiconductor industry hadthe same liftime problems in its development of Gallium, Germanum and Silicon as substrates. This was found to be a problem of controlling impurities in a precise manner. Oxygen is usually the culprit. Same for Organic Semiconductors (OLED) tech.

  12. Re:Flourescents put out 80 lumens per watt by LoveTheIRS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because Oled's can be used as power efficent computer monitors( ie laptop monitors), and televisions. It definately has applications in mobile military functions (that computer screen thing again). It promises to be extremely cheap because they can produce it in huge sheets like construction paper. It has the ability to be extremely flexible, as in saran wrap. Also, OLEDs are are brightness adjustable. Sodium lamps throw out 10's of thousands of lumens with no way to dim it. ------- I am excited about these Oleds.

  13. Re:Flourescents put out 80 lumens per watt by gerardrj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because unlike any of the other technologies, these things are thin and flexible(in form and function). I don't think you'd find it very easy to wrap a HPS lamp around a barricade divider at an off-ramp, or along the rear bumper of a construction vehicle. You can print an oled in the shapes you want instead of having to put a light behind a mask.

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  14. Re:I've RTFAed, but I can't see... by Bender_ · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Yes, but in a TFT display you lose close to 90% of your light to the TFT and Liquid Crystal panel. So if your backlights efficiency is 60 lumen/W the total display efficiency is more like 6 lumen/W, even neglecting the the power consumption for the panel..

  15. Impact to the environment ? by toofanx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how much coal, water and other materials are required to create one clean 80W monitor ;).

  16. Perhaps for High Dynamic Range LCDs? by Anubis333 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember seeing an HDR display at siggraph, it was 30 times brighter than any commercially available display technology while producing a black that is 10 times darker. They used an array of bright LEDs behind the monitor.

    ..the ratio is 60,000:1 from the darkest to the lightest portion of the screen. Compare this to the 600:1 contrast ratio LCD monitors that are offered currently.

    If you don't know anything about HDR, check out this information from Siggraph 2003.
    Soon, you may not want to render directly into the sun, you may go blind.

  17. Re:Hot wallpaper... and a bit bright by jobbegea · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but 75000 lumens would seem to be a bit overdoing it for a 8'x8' room.

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  18. Now you see me.... by photonX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Can you say daylight stealth? Cover the bottom of a military jet or helicopter with OLED panels, then emit the same color as the surrounding sky. Or tanks. Or ships. Or....

    Kodak, for one, has a fairly new camera with a pretty big (for a camera) OLED display, not to mention a 10x optical lens.

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    1. Re:Now you see me.... by awol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There was a show on the BBC (perhaps "Science Shack", but at least the same presenter, Adam Hart-Davies... a little more research [google is your friend] shows it was Science Shack, programme 2, http://www3.open.ac.uk/media/image-bank/programmes .asp) in which they went through a few techniques to make yourself invisible. The image from the program in the link above is the "mirrored suit", which when you are in a forest actually kinda works. However, they did actually make a car with an industrial strength active display on one side and cameras on the other side to capture what was behind the vehicle and show it on the screen. Really cool. It worked. As a stationary vehicle it was almost impossible to see (they had "experts" to try and spot it in the forest). However as it moved the vehicle was easier to spot. All in all a really cool attempt to show how such technology does (and does not) work.

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  19. Re:A howling environmentalist by HFShadow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think a more apt analogy would be them announcing "a new quantum computer on par with todays 486".

    Its not the fact that they are matching old technology, its that the new technlogy is getting mature enough to start competing.

  20. Re:Hot wallpaper... by djdanlib · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think you meant 'per square foot of wall', right? And did you take into account 4, 5, or 6 of the faces of a cube? Minus windows and doors?

    The amount of light this would put out would be enormous. Figuring about half a million lumens (which are not exactly a measurement of intensity, like lux or footcandles would be) you're looking at the equivalent of around 120 of those 100W fluorescent tubes. That kind of light is what lights an entire large department store like K-Mart, Best Buy, Staples or Media Play to appreciable brightness. If all that light were concentrated upon one spot, that spot would be something around 500 times brighter than a bright white cloud on a sunny day at noon. (The cloud would be 3,500 footlambert, or 1,114 candela/square foot) The darkest object you would be able to see with that in your vision (assuming your eyes could adjust to such intense light levels) would still be brighter than daylight. You would pretty much go blind instantly when you flipped the light switch. But you could light up an entire department store / street with it.