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US Government Upgrades RAM

Deep Throat writes "Techworld has the scoop on a new super-sized RAM disk that the US government has just bought for a few million dollars in order to speed up searching through huge databases. It's 2.5TB! The VP of the company that made it says it is for Washington DC and searching databases but won't say who. Techworld explains why it reckons it's the Department of Homeland Security searching in the NSA and Pentagon databases for terrorists. And apparently the government is 'very happy' with the purchase and thinking about getting more."

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  1. Like google by robslimo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sounds like they're taking heed of Google's success in attaining blazing search speeds by holding all the data in RAM.

    See here.

  2. Re:It's awesome and all... by thefatz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Solid State Storage, .... the data is already saved.

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  3. More stats by Maskirovka · · Score: 5, Informative
    A RamSan 320 unit holds up to 64GB of RAM in a 3U rack unit. The US government order is housed in three full height rack units. There are over 320 2Gbit/s Fibre Channel ports and the aggregate I/O rate is 36Gbit/s.

    No comment needed.

    1. Re:More stats by X · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the article is likely getting it's facts right. Check out the specs of the system.

      Each Tera RamSan system can have up to 128 ports and 24 Gbit/s. It also can fill up to 2 full racks. Since the government system takes 3 full racks, I imagine it's a slightly different configuration, so reaching those numbers is not out of the question.

      Note that the "aggregate I/O rate" number they are talking about is not the same as the aggregate bandwidth of the Fibre Channel ports. It's probably limited more by the memory subsystems than anything else.

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  4. Re:Power Failure by eric2hill · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA dude. "It also includes three independent internal UPS systems to ensure that no power loss or power supply failure will stop the RamSan from performing its internal backup procedures."

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  5. Re:It's awesome and all... by Maskirovka · · Score: 5, Informative
    How are they going to save the data if the power goes out? That's a lot of data to store on hard copies.

    This is supposed to be a caching system, not a long term archive. They also undoubtedly have both Uninteruptable Power Supplies (think racks full of car batteries) and generators to protect from power failure. The databases that it caches are more than likely mirrored at multiple locations, and backed up daily, if not in realtime to an autmated tape library system.

  6. A Single Disk Hit Kills Responsiveness by AltoidsSuck · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you go to disk, just once, you need about 9ms just to get the disk heads in position. If you're reading a file system of complex database, you now have multiple disk seeks and reads. That adds up. Seeking in RAM is orders of magnitude faster. That's why all the good search engines keep *everything* in RAM all the time.

    That is why Google has multiple copies of the entire web in memory.

    -AS

  7. Re:Very interesting because... by UdoKeir · · Score: 1, Informative

    -1 Offtopic

    The US destabilised the democratically elected government there through a campaign of disinformation, then supplied arms to a gang of murders and criminals based in the Dominican Republic and sent them on a killing spree across the border into Haiti, forced the elected (and popular) president onto a plane under threats of death to himself and his family, flew him to a backwater African nation out of reach from the media and orchestrated a bloody coup. They then sent in troops to protect the leaders of said coup from any kind of popular uprising against them.

    What was your point again?

  8. Get a grip. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The US installed Duvallier. Then they installed Aristide. Twice! Then when he asked for help again, they forcibly removed him and are now supporting the rebels.
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    Get a clue. Read a newspaper. Turn on the television news. Pull your head out of your ass.

  9. Re:In other news... by pclminion · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except that magnets can't disrupt capacitor-based storage devices such as SRAM or DRAM. Magnetic-based core memory technology came and went decades ago...

  10. Re:Power Failure by dubious9 · · Score: 2, Informative

    errr... "dude", look up what non-volitile means. Volatile memory generally is implemented as a series of capacitors which can be queried if they have a charge or not (1 or 0). The capacitors in the RAM in your computer, however, lose their charge very quickly, and need to be "refreshed" every couple milliseconds or so.

    Non-volatile needs little or no refreshing. It's usually implemented by component that do something else than hold a charge. And thus, since it doesn't need freshing it keeps information when the power goes out. The reason all memory isn't like Non-volatile is that it is either much slower (magnetic storage) or much more expensive (ie flash and this RAM disk).

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  11. Re:Google? by globalar · · Score: 2, Informative

    Google sells a search appliance which also includes a (presumably) customized implementation of their searching algorithms. Basically any geeks dream - their own little Google. I read that base price is $28,000 (seems to be a hardware/software bundle).

    You can keep the tin foil hat on, because this has been sold to government intelligence services.

  12. Re:A somewhat related question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe you're looking for a RocketDrive.

    I believe it's a 33 MHz PCI beastie.

  13. It is only a fraction. by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the article- it refers to the 2.5 TB space being used as temporary query data storage for a 100TB+ databank.

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  14. Re:A somewhat related question by Nynaeve · · Score: 2, Informative

    RocketDrive retails for $1000 with 1GB to $3000 with 4GB. Not exactly "on the cheap" though. They used to sell it without memory, but apparently they don't anymore. Here's a review.

  15. [OT] Re:Watch out for Bad Electricity Days! by sl956 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Even 15 years later it's still damn funny.

    Just to set the record straight, the original author of this post is Jack Harvey, and it was originally published under the title "The Immortal Murderer" on January 18th, 1989 on DECUServe, the DECUS member bulletin board.
    This bulletin board is still active under the name Encompasserve.org after mergers of Digital Equipment Corporation and Compaq with Hewlett Packard.
    The original publication can still be found on that bulletin board in the archived Soapbox conference, note number 168.

    It was Monday, 19-Oct-1987.
    For those of you who were not born, Monday 19-Oct-1987 was the day the stock market crashed.
  16. You forgot the part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Where Aristide rigged the last election, and suppressed dissidents, thus setting himself up like most of the leaders in Haiti's history. Bush was kind of engough to get Aristide rear end out of the country before it got shot off.

    Haiti should just be turned over the UN to see if they really can save some small country from itself.