Looking to Move from EV1?

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Posted by Cliff on Tuesday March 9, 2004 @10:45AM from the avoiding-the-diSCOrd dept.

IgD asks: "Our small company has been a customer of EV1 for well over a year. We have a single dedicated server (a Red Hat box) and pay about $150/month. We get about 400 gigabytes per month for our bandwidth limit. Up until the SCO fiasco, we had been generally pleased with EV1. For obvious reasons we decided to move on. We didn't make the decision lightly. Migrating our server is going to result in a terrible inconvenience. The subject of EV1 and SCO has been covered in multiple articles here on Slashdot. Many have discussed moving to other providers such as ServerMatrix.com and ServerBeach.com. Dear Slashdot, where should we take our business?"

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Typical Reply by Oriumpor · 2004-03-09 10:49 · Score: 3, Insightful

I don't work for (X company) but I believe that (X company) is much better than (Y company) because they provide (X service) where (Y company) is lacking however blah blah blah.

If you dislike what EV1 did, then castigate them as a paying customer. Honestly a boycott of their hosting services sounds rather brash, especially with all the nightmares I have heard from people who screw it up. Ev1 to their credit had a long list of SATISFIED customers, who are now "reluctantly deciding" to leave. It wouldn't be a choice in my eyes, I hate SCO but they already got their money.
1. Re:Typical Reply by Rick+the+Red · 2004-03-09 11:03 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  EV1 paid 'protection' money to extortionists. Now the other extortionists will ooze out from under their rocks and try to hit up EV1 for a quick buck. Plus, protection money is never a one-time payment. Before long EV1 will have to raise their rates, either to cover this ever-increasing cost or to hire lawyers -- or both.
  BTW, when you voiced your disappointment, what was EV1's reply?
  
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2. Re:Typical Reply by El · 2004-03-09 11:10 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  No, a boycott of their services is totally appropriate. Nothing gets a companies attention faster than a loss on their bottom line. Having the few companies for whom this is an important issue change vendors sends a clear and need message to others contemplating taking the easy way out and giving in to SCO's extortion demands. Ultimately everybody is worse off whenever anybody gives in, since it sends a message to criminals that extortion, kidnapping, terrorism, etc. actually works as a business model -- it wouldn't if all victims had the courage to fight for what is right.
  
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3. Re:Typical Reply by Kvorg · 2004-03-09 11:40 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  There is a very clear moral issue behind this: if you are certain SCO is blackmailing and their claims are void, then this company did not do their job and they invested their money in SCO, supporting further harrasing of free software and free software users.
  
  So, if they think they should fund harassing GNU/Linux users, should they do that with your money?
  
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4. Re:Typical Reply by GoRK · 2004-03-09 12:46 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  $1M is a hardly trivial amount of money for EV1 to have given SCO. I would seriously look into alternative companies if my current hosting provider starting flushing millions of dollars down the toilet buying nacent assets. That kind of behavior is going to end up costing ME money as their customer no matter how large or small my account might be -- the question is, will their bad decisions cost me more money in the long run than it will cost to switch providers in the short term?
  
  If your servers/services are easy to migrate around, as they probably ought to be for any size company large or small, the expense of moving it could be very easy to make a decision like this.
  
  How about this one: If you are a company that has a website hosted on an EV1 machine (covered by EV1's license from SCO) but also has a local server (or two or ten) at your office that runs Linux (not covered by any SCO license), you'd have to think really hard about staying with EV1. If you do, you are supporting the claim that SCO is correct and exposing your own company to to litigation. If you really believe this, you might ought to pay the huge fees to license your own servers! Remember, that any time a company gives into SCO's licensing demands, it creates more ammunition for SCO to use in court. If you stick with EV1 and silently support SCO, but rely on Linux/OSS on the side, you are simply setting yourself up for a world of hurt if SCO wins the case.
Sago Networks by NicoNet · 2004-03-09 10:51 · Score: 3, Informative

Sago Networks
750GB transfer a month 1.8ghz Celeron just $99/month, no set up fee. I've been using them for a few months now, no problems.

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how about any host that donates space to oss? by avi33 · 2004-03-09 10:52 · Score: 5, Insightful

Shouldn't be hard, pick a open issues site and see who hosts them? That's part of the reason some of them do it, for exposure, good karma, brand awareness, etc.
Re:Slashvertisment by Rick+the+Red · 2004-03-09 10:58 · Score: 3, Insightful

Uhhh, I don't get it. What is he 'Slashvertising'? His web site isn't mentioned. He's not pushing his new host -- he hasn't got one. I don't understand your problem, nor do I understand the moderation it got.

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And this sends what message? by SmallFurryCreature · 2004-03-09 10:59 · Score: 4, Insightful

I can just see this at board meetings:
Underling: "Oh yeah we got a lot of complaints about our decision to do X"
CEO: "Are they leaving? Refusing to pay? Looking at alternatives?"
Underling: "No"
CEO: "Then stop wasting my time".
Voting with your wallet. You are voting in favor. I can't really see any differently. Sending emails to them is like saying you hate bush but still vote for him. Your opinion don't count. Granted neither does mine as I am not a customer at all :)

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ServerMatrix.com by xheliox · 2004-03-09 11:31 · Score: 3, Informative

We moved to ServerMatrix.com after the EV1/SCO fiasco. :) So far so good. We're paying exactly what we were at EV1, but we get more bang for our buck -- including more bandwidth and a better processor.

They are very quick to respond to trouble tickets and their staff seems quite friendly. They even offer cross connects if you rent more than one server, which is something I don't believe EV1 ever did. We looked at ServerBeach, but they seem much more expensive and their support policy was a turn off.

I'm glad to see so many others are leaving EV1. To some it seems hasty, but at the end of the day it's just a matter of principle.
Re:Blame the rape victim by digitaltraveller · 2004-03-09 14:38 · Score: 3, Insightful

If EV1 is the rape victim, they are the rape victim that chose not to prosecute their rapist in court and gave the rapist $1Million to rape others.

Principals and integrity may not mean much to many big companies, but often small businesses succeed by steering clear of companies without any 'humanity'.

Supporting (even indirectly) a lawsuit against a gift economy that supports education and economic development (especially in poor countries) is in my judgement, inhuman.