Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community Ready For Download

joestar writes "The new Mandrakelinux 10.0 Community has just showed up on Mandrake's FTP mirrors and through Bittorrent. MandrakeClub Members benefit from extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO for Corporate Memberships! Another good news for the Mandrake community is an announce from Mandrakesoft that due to the stock resumed trading on Euronext on last Monday, with a nice increase of +10.00% in three days." Update: 03/11 06:23 GMT by T : Cheap ISOs are also available from merchants like OSDisc.com and CheapBytes.

Comments

KDE 3.2!

[Anonymous Coward]

It has KDE 3.2, which is worth an upgrade all in itself! KDE 3.2 is a worth while upgrade, for any distro, not just Mandrake. I have it on Gentoo, and it sure kicks the crap out of XP on the dark side of my pc.

Re:KDE 3.2!

[Anonymous Coward]

Speed, KDE 3.2 is a lot faster in this release. Windows XP is not as fast. Responsiveness too, look and feel is KDEs biggest strength, with over 11 different styles to choose from. unlike the kludge of Windows XP theming, which dosen't work a lot of the time. Certainly usabillity. Windows XP has made a lot of mistakes, I prefer KDE because it is better than 98/2000 but without errors of XP. KDE's best kept secret of course is the Control Center, you can make KDE do almost anything with it.

Re:KDE 3.2!

[leviramsey]

It does... Even though it's tagged as "3.2.0" it's really 3.2.1 (all the fixes from CVS have been integrated).

Re:KDE 3.2!

[joestar]

Actually, Mandrakelinux 10.0 provides KDE 3.2 plus many patches that make it a KDE 3.2.1. Just for your information.

Re:KDE 3.2!

[pingveno]

- IMHO, great print subsystem (kprinter/cups) -- certains aspects of W2k/XP seemed umm.. hacked on (ie usb printer setups)

I beg to differ. I've been having problems with my printer lately on Mandrake. Unlike in XP, where a printer icon waits in the tray, I had to go through. Cups is great - if you're on a network with print services with a Linux guru available. I'd like it if there was one program I could go to to access all the print configuration. Next version?

Still, the print system is excellent - great output and wonderful if I need to print remotely (like from work/school). It just needs some loose ends tidied up.

Re:KDE 3.2!

[fuzzix]

- Juk - great playlist based music player

Juk is nice, but lacks an equaliser (or I just haven't found the Arts plugin box...)
I use the similarly styled amaroK - I can see it being included in KDE in the near future.

Re:Does it have Kernel 2.6?

[Anonymous Coward]

From their features page:

System overview

Mandrakelinux 10.0 features the following software:

Kernel 2.6.3
XFree86 4.3
Glibc 2.3.3 with Native POSIX Threads Library (NPTL) support
GCC 3.3.2
Apache 2.0.48, Samba 3.0.2, MySQL 4.0.18
ProFTPD 1.2.9, Postfix 2.0.18, OpenSSH 3.6.1p2
KDE 3.2, GNOME 2.4.2, IceWM 1.2.13
OpenOffice.org 1.1, KOffice 1.3, Gnumeric 1.2.6
Mozilla 1.6, The GIMP 1.2.5, XMMS 1.2.9

Re:What's the legal status of the DVD?

[ttldkns]

Mandrake makes a point of it being a totally GPL distro.

2.6.3

[moberry]

Mandrakelinux 10.0 is based on Linux kernel 2.6.3

Based on 2.6.3, I think that this is the first distro to use the 2.6 series by defult. I could be mistaken though. Debian has had sid packages for 2.6 for a while.

Re:Huh?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like this story wasnt submitted by umpteen dozen Mandrake fanatics. Timbo could have picked any one of those submissions. Was this the most coherent?

What exactly does "extra CDs downloads and even a DVD ISO!" mean? I dont use mandrake, what the FUCK does that mean?

Oh, and BTW, they refer to themselves as editors.

And they modify text all the time, by omitting parts and adding their stupid little comments to them. They modslap opinion and users whose opions they dont like.

None of this would matter, except that they want people to PAY for this site.

Re:SuSE Linux

[general_boy]

The recently used programs links, if you're talking about the K menu, are disabled by default in Mandrake. To enable them:

- Right click on the Panel (bar across the bottom), select "Configure Panel"
- On the window that pops up, click the Menus tab
- Towards the bottom of the pane, see "QuickStart Menu Items" for your options.
- Click OK/Apply.

Re:Trouble with traditional distros

[KingOfBLASH]

It's hard to make a "splash" when the code is so old!

Bleeding edge code -- especially in large distros -- can be buggy because companies like Mandrake have to modify code to fit everything together. Many people like the stability assosciated with a distro, and those that don't can always compile everything themselves from scratch.

Re:ATI Radeon problem?

[SpacePunk]

chromi is dead slow unless you install the x drivers for the card that use hardware acceleration. it was dead slow on my nvidia cards till I did this.

Re:Trouble with traditional distros

[leviramsey]

Kernel 2.6.3 (unless you use kernel-linus) in Mandrake includes many of the patches that will be in 2.6.4 (if you use Thomas Backlund's kernels, you'll get even more of those, along with pre-emption).

KDE "3.2.0" in Mandrake has the 3.2.1 fixes included, despite being tagged as 3.2.0.

Gimp 2.0 (or something similar) is in contribs and has been for a long time.

As a reminder

[dacarr]

Remember that the 10.0 community is subject to updates. Go down past the FTP mirror list and read the blurb just above the straight directory trees. So what you see here is not necessarily what ou are going to get when 10.0 public comes out.

In short, this is a final beta.

Re:P2P

[jonbryce]

Mandrake have already made it available on bittorrent. I believe the original article gave the link.

Re:What's the legal status of the DVD?

[joestar]

Mandrakelinux is totally Open Source / Free Software, but of course all components aren't covered by the GPL! (all Mandrakesoft's own code do though).

Re:Any chance of a cd-live version?

[Mr. Sketch]

Yep, it's already out out and on the mirrors next to the Mandrake 10 ISOs. It's called MandrakeMove.

Re:P2P

[Marauder2]

Check out http://www.tuxreports.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2& file=viewtopic&t=579

This script was able to make a DVD image from the CD images.

It's for Red Hat, but works with Mandrake too.

Re:What's the legal status of the DVD?

[Vo0k]

Yes, that's the question. Is it GPL'd enough?

http://www.computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/23 60 6.html

Now, can a user redistribute a full ISO of the SuSE Distro?? Well, a distribution is something different. Is a compilation of packages that are totally open source and under GPL, but the distro itself does not have to be. Each distro manufaturer has developed unique ways for installation, package management, maintenance, etc (just some examples) that do not HAVE to be under the GPL or Open Source, BUT, most if not all, make them open as to continue with the Linux "spirit". But it is their choice and is not mandatory. One can take programs out of the distro and redistribute them and be ok. BUT, to fully redistribute the complete Distro (be it SuSE, Red Hat, Debian, Slack, etc etc) one has to read the actual license of each Distro, for each of them is different. That is the license for the distribution itself and not for the software that is compiled in it! ( I think most if not all distro companies have the full license posted on their site somewhere.)

Re:What does "Community" mean?

[homer_ca]

This should explain it:

What follows is the development process for our next major release, Mandrake Linux 10.0:

1) After the traditional debugging of several Beta and Release Candidates, the final version of "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community" will be released in February/March. This version will be available for download and as a DVD-set through e-Commerce.

2) Then a Mandrake Linux 10.0 Stable branch will be opened, based on Mandrake Linux 10.0 Community. Security updates and bug fixes will be applied to this tree and will be publicly available in real time.

3) Two or three months later, in April/May, "Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official" will be created from the Mandrake 10.0 Stable branch. It will then be packaged for several products such as the Mandrake Linux PowerPack. Mandrake 10.0 Official ISO images will also be available for all contributors and Club Members; then, after a short delay, Mandrake Linux 10.0 Official Download Edition will be made available on public FTP mirrors.

Re:KDE 3.2.0 Faster...If you set it up right.

[Joe Tie.]

This might be because of the pre-emptible kernel

I can say that on my system at least, it had some significant gains in speed from KDE 3.1.x, aside from speed gains from the new kernel. I'm using Debian and didn't bother updating the kernel to 2.6 for a while, but in the meantime did do the kde 3.2 and experienced a pretty good speed increase. Though there was even more when I finally did update the kernel - in fact I did it after playing with a test release of Mandrake 10. 3.2 plus 2.6 had such a great effect together I had to have it on my main system.

Re:Torrent bah!

[Yosho]

I like the idea of Torrent, but it simply doesn't work.

Yes, it does.

The protocol is designed to make your download rate roughly proportional to your upload rate; however, when you start a file you have nothing to upload, so it lets you download for a while with no consequences. Shortly afterwards, however, it begins uploading rapidly in order to make up for that. If you were to leave it on for longer than 15 minutes, it probably would've began improving rapidly. Also, if you're behind a firewall, you should forward incoming connections on ports 6881 through 6889 to your computer.

Also, if you have a connection where the upstream is much lower than than the downstream -- such as a typical ADSL or Cable connection -- keep in mind that if your upstream bandwidth is saturated, you won't be able to download anything with any success. If you need to restrict your upstream bandwidth, try this alternate client. I find that a cap of 10 or 15 kB/s is good on a connection with 128kbps upstream.

Re:Torrent bah!

[tannhaus]

I beg to differ. Let bittorrent run for a while. I've had it running for a couple of hours. 791 MB downloaded and 222 MB uploaded. Of course your first 15 minutes or so you'll get horrible download speeds. It takes a while for it to build up and start giving you decent speeds.

As of right now I'm downloading 102 k/sec. If...and I repeat *IF* you were actually able to connect to one of those slashdotted ftp mirrors, do you really think you'd get downloads of 102 k/sec?

In my book, any file transfer technology that can give me 100k/sec under a good slashdotting is a file transfer technology that works VERY well. Especially when you take into account that webservers can't even seem to transfer static webpages under the load of a slashdotting.

Re:Worst Install Ever

[Rabid Cougar]

Hmm. Have you ruled out the following?:

1) Corrupted download--do the md5sum's match up?
2) CD burn errors/defective CD media

I once had a CD for Mandrake Move that didn't want to load up. It would always hang in the same place. I burned another CD and viola! No problems.

Before you go blaming them for having "such a lousy installer", perhaps you might do some basic troubleshooting. Who knows? The problem could really be "lousy CD media", or a "lousy corrupted ISO", or a "lousy CD burner", or "lousy burning software". In my case, I was using Easy CD Creator 5.something and have had TONS of problems with bad burns on various brands of CD's and files that checked out okay. But who knows. Maybe the burner is broken. *SHRUG*

Maybe I'm incorrect in assuming that you haven't isolated the problem as definitely being a software bug, but you didn't mention doing any troubleshooting. Am I wrong? I hope so.

Re:How is the Serial ATA support?

[fille]

I use the Fedora test distribution (core 2 test 1, i think) and it works with the SATA-controller on my Asus motherboard. However, it's really a test version, a lot of programs crash..

Big advantage is that kernel 2.6 is on the installation cd's so it's installed automagically. You don't have to compile it yourself..