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Obtaining Legal MP3s Outside of the U.S.?

frankkubiak asks: "I recently bought the new iPod with 40GB. I understand the arguments of the record industry, that I should buy the music I want to hear. Alright. So I don't want to get MP3 files by file-sharing. But here is my problem: I live outside the U.S., in Germany to be exact. iTunes only offers service to those inside the U.S. (see this related Slashdot article). I don't want a CD, vinyl record, tape or minidisc. I simply want to listen to the music. Even if I decide to buy a legacy audio CD, it is often copy-protected and won't load in my PC. So, strictly speaking, it is not even an audio-CD. Heise keeps a database of those un-CDs (German language. English speakers can use this fish-translated page). It sounds incredible, but even after hours of research on the web, I don't see a legal way to use this device with new songs. The only way I see to use this device is to buy a CD, and if I can't rip it, I'll have to [break the law and] download the MP3-file via file-sharing. I believe there are more people like me out there who want to listen to their music, without feeling guilty. Why is there no one meeting this demand? How does Slashdot feel about this?" Before you mention Napster, let's note that it has similar restrictions (see the "International Considerations" section). So where can non-U.S. internet users go to download the legal MP3s that they want?

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  1. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by Lucky+Tony · · Score: 5, Informative

    In a place like Australia, is considered stealing even if you own a copy.

  2. www.allofmp3.com by budmur · · Score: 5, Informative

    The fine folks over at Allofmp3.com will sell you MP3s for a wide variety of artists. They don't seem to care what country your're in. As far as being legit, they say that they're registered with the Russian copyright authority and that they're authorized to sell what they're offering. I haven't heard about any independant verification of that, though.

    1. Re:www.allofmp3.com by pbox · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to them, when you purchase those songs you legally own them in Russia. Buying it from outside of Russia means that you are importing those songs. Usually laws differ for importing it commercially or for personal use (not for resale). The US law says that you can import music legally for personal use, as long as you don't import multiple copies of the same music piece (even on multiple trips). However it is clear from the text of the law that it was written with the intention of regulating physical importation of the music on media. (See amazon.com, where US residens can buy legally imported foreign CDs). However importing it via the Internet, the law might or might not apply. We would not know until after it has been tested in a court of law... It is clear that it is in the best interest of RIAA to shut down this kind of importation (they have tried to sue allofmp3 in Russia, however got nowhere, since it is all according to the laws of the land). They will probably try to A) sue allofmp3 users if they see a chance of winning (might even do it without the chance of winning, just to inflict pain and fear and confusion, they can spend the money, end users are not in the same disposable income category, ie. $100-$500 mil) B) coerce Internet gateways to block intercontinental access to these sites (there is always workaround for that, ie. proxy)

      This is all my opinion, and based on my own shoddy research, take it with a grain of salt, on the rocks, shaken and mashed...

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  3. I use the following.... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use mp3search.ru. They have a deal with the Russian equivalent of the RIAA, so these downloads SHOULD be legal where ever you are. They tend to have the CDs we in the US pay more for because there "imports". Lots of B side selections and remixes. Downloads are around 10 cents a song.

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  4. Re:Why is there no one meeting this demand? by MikeXpop · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some record companies have no problem with it.

    Audio Luncbox also allows you to have unrestricted mp3 or aac. Enjoy!

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  5. Re:Is it illegal? by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Informative

    Indeed it is - without explicit permission from the copyright holder, we UKians do not have the right to make any copy. That includes format shifting, backups, etc.

    Kinda sucks, really - I guess that 260GBP iRiver I bought is just a nice USB hard-drive with built-in mic and FM tuner, as I certainly can't buy electronic versions of the music I like (ebm, goth, etc). Hell, some of the stuff I like is hard enough to get on CD...

    On the plus side, the law is effectively unenforceable - I don't know a single person who doesn't have some sort of audio device, be it cassette, mp3 player, minidisc, or whatever. I suspect that the vast majority of people in the UK have broken this particular law at some point, most likely right now.

    On the minus side, that really means that, should they want to investigate you for some reason, that's another line of attack they can take. Remember, they *wanted* Al Capone because he was a gangster. They *got* him for tax evasion...

    Paranoia aside, it damages the Law as a whole to have unenforced/unenforceable laws on the books. I don't see it changing any time soon, though - in fact, in light of recent events (the EU "super-DMCA"), I can only see it getting worse.

  6. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by nocomment · · Score: 4, Informative

    Could you use an american proxy server to make your connection appear to come from here?

    http://www.atomintersoft.com/products/alive-prox y/proxy-list/

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  7. CD... Baby, ermm. by igrp · · Score: 4, Informative
    There's always CDBaby which has a an awesome collection, at least, as far as I am concerned and does kick back a good percentage of its profits to the artists themselves (and not their labels). As far as I know, international users are just as free to purchase songs as domestic users.

    Looks like Apple's itunes won't be available in Europe anytime soon (apparently Napster seems to want to come back in Europe though).

  8. Re:Wrong! RIAA already got someone for doing this. by eean · · Score: 4, Informative

    No I don't remember.

    That sounds bogus, if ship ripped MP3's you can't check checksums. MP3 is a lossy format.

    Doesn't mean they can't figure out in some manner, not via checksums.

  9. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by wfberg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, in the US it does make a difference what the source of the copy is, as mp3.com found out the hard way.

    Here in The Netherlands, anything you download as a private person is legal; how about that for fair use? (Putting stuff up to be downloaded is a different game; that's where the dues should be paid (and they make it hard enough))

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  10. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just to clarify, while mp3.com required you to have a copy of the CD you were downloading mp3s for, and while you are allowed to make copies of your CD, the court ruled that YOU are allowed to make copies of YOUR CD, but are not entitled to copies from someone elses CD.

    This is why the law is so stupid.

    But believe me, I have downloaded many things I own in one format or another, and feel no guilt.

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  11. Tens of Thousands of Legal Music Downloads by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Informative
    You need to read my article Links to Tens of Thousands of Legal Music Downloads. It has been the #1 hit at Google for the query legal music downloads for several months.

    From the introduction:

    You don't need to worry about getting sued by the Recording Industry Assocation of America or arrested by the FBI if you download legal music. Many independent and unsigned musicians offer downloads of their music in hopes of attracting more fans. Here's some music from my friends Oliver Brown and Rick Walker's Loop.pooL.

    If everyone started downloading legal music instead of violating copyright with the file sharing programs, we would make short work of the RIAA, because people would start buying CDs directly from the artists and seeing their shows instead of enriching the major labels by buying CDs from the bands the labels have chosen for us to listen to. The RIAA would also have no cause to complain - these music downloads do not infringe copyright because the artists give you permission to download them.

    In particular, you should be listening to iRATE radio. It downloads and plays those legal MP3s that the artists have on their websites, so you don't have to go hunting for them. If you've already tried out iRATE, note that version 0.3 was just released, so get the update if you don't already have it.

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  12. Ripping services... by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps not a solution for the original post, but some reading this thread may be interested in RipDigital. You mail them your collection of CDs and they mail back your CDs along with ripped MP3s on a data DVD they burn for you...

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  13. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by One+Louder · · Score: 4, Informative
    Even though it's legal to make such backup copies, the publisher is not legally required to make it easy or even possible for you to do so.

    This came up during the one of the DMCA cases - the court asked about what happens when the protected content enters the public domain if it's illegal to distribute a mechanism to circumvent the protection. Under the current law, even if you have every right to the content, it's apparently illegal to take the necessary steps to get access to it.

    This effectively gives the publisher an infinitely long copyright.

  14. Re:This may sound stupid but.... by jwlidtnet · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, "sound fidelity" is still wrong, and hopelessly vague.

    Once again: it isn't a 16-bit interpretation. Sampling does not involve taking "pieces" of music and then throwing them back, hoping it's going by too fast for you to hear. Sampling involves getting a collection of samples that, when converted back into analogue, represents the input waveform (up 'til the threshold your current sampling specification allows) almost exactly.

    As for digital recording, 24bit is used precisely because DSP is so popular. 24bit does give you a greater dynamic range (although popular music doesn't tend to use it), but it also removes the amount of dithering you have to do on a signal, as you have many extra bits being used for various digital process computations.

    Sampling rate is another story entirely. Nyquist states that 44.1kHz should be adequate, but I understand the idea of leaving room for error; consequently, 96kHz is certainly appropriate. Anything higher than that, though, and studies show you're probably actually degrading the signal.