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Tracking Social Networking In Shakespeare Plays

An anonymous reader writes "By feeding PieSpy (an IRC bot used to visualise social networks) with the entire texts of Shakespeare plays, it became possible to produce drawings of the social networks present in his plays - it is now possible to visualize the relationships between the characters in his works, and see Shakespeare in an entirely new light."

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  1. What about... by lofoforabr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    feeding a program written in Shakespeare Programming Language to it? Should be real fun!

    1. Re:What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      IRC Shakespeare...

      <HAMLET> Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio: a fellow
      of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
      borne me on his back a thousand times;

      <L33tBoi> ROFL LOL!!!? u r a fag

  2. 2 Pie or not /=\2 by scorp888 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That is the question...

    1. Re:2 Pie or not /=\2 by Rovaani · · Score: 5, Funny

      (2b)||(!2b) equals true, for any value of b.

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    2. Re:2 Pie or not /=\2 by haystor · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is a control structure not evaluated for the truth of expression but for the side effects.

      Clearly Hamlet is attempting first 2b. If that returns false, then he'll attempt !2b. As these are attempted in succession and not at the same time, it is possible though unlikely that both return false. More likely is a fatal error which Hamlet appears not to worry about trapping.

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  3. Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Based on the article and PieSpy site, it seems that PieSpy only finds the existence of a connection between members -- a symmetric relationship in which "A connects to B" implies "B connects to A". Yet human relationships tend to be asymmetric: "A likes B" does not imply that "B likes A" and "A controls B" certainly does not imply "B controls A".

    A more powerful version of PieSpy would examine the text (and context) of who is connecting to whom. For example, the introduction of new words by some members of the network and the echoing of those words by others would help identify the directional flow of information in the network and help assess the level of control of the thread by some members over others. Analyzing the emotional content of words in threads could probably even let the software make approximate judgements of who likes/hates whom. Analyzing when some members leave IRC as a function of the joining of other members might also help detect asymmetric relationships.

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    1. Re:Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships by paiute · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Based on the article and PieSpy site, it seems that PieSpy only finds the existence of a connection between members -- a symmetric relationship in which "A connects to B" implies "B connects to A". Yet human relationships tend to be asymmetric: "A likes B" does not imply that "B likes A" and "A controls B" certainly does not imply "B controls A".

      Spot on. The plots are driven by asymmetric interpersonal relationships. It is the very basis of all the humor and all the tragedy.

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    2. Re:Symmetric vs. Asymmetric relationships by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Spot on. The plots are driven by asymmetric interpersonal relationships. It is the very basis of all the humor and all the tragedy.

      You mean that A loves B but B doesn't realize she's a woman dressed as a man and therefore loves C who loves D? I guess that's true.

      On the other hand, what does come across strikingly is how the peripheral goofball characters (Dogberry and Verges, the rude mechanicals, the various collections of guards) float around in isolation for four acts before crashing in to help wrap up the ending.

  4. Can ANYONE explain by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... the latest craze about social networks like Orkut or Friendster? I'm indifferent to the internet or the people on the internet so I highly doubt social networks on the net will ever be even slightly interesting for me, personally. But I really don't see what's worth the fuss about them, because they aren't exactly incorporating ground-breaking technologies, stunning visualizations nor original and efficient business plans. So while I don't doubt the fact these "social networks" are fun for those participating, I don't actually see anything about them that's worthy of a front page post on Slashdot...

    Maybe a nice new topic on Slashdot called "The Internet Society" with stuff like *logs, social networks and everything else regarding the social aspects of the internet?

  5. Re:ENG 201 by Jabes · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not sure that's true. When I did English & English Lit. at school, I hated it. With a passion.

    I read as little as possible, thought all the books must be rubbish.

    Now I'm older, and I've reread some of the books we did (1984, Of Mice & Men, Royal Hunt of the Sun, various sharespeare, Chrysalids, Farenheit 451 etc).. and I'm finding that they're actually pretty good.

    Perhaps you should try it? Get yourself a couple of Shakespeare DVDs (the Brannah ones are quite good), sit back, and enjoy. Then once you know the basis of the story you'll find that the text is rather less opaque.

    Enjoy!

  6. Re:ENG 201 by templest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You must of had a pretty crappy teacher then. TV pretty much made me hate shakespear back in the day, but my highschool english teacher actually made it good. Macbeth kicks ass, and to you sir, I bite my thumb.

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  7. orkut by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Great, the last thing I want is to have to ignore a friend request from Hamlet on Orkut. That guy is so whiney and needy.

    Now if only I could think of a clever way to start emailing Juliet.

    -Colin

    1. Re:orkut by AndroidCat · · Score: 5, Funny
      Dude! She's 13, underage and her daddy doesn't want her to get married for another two years. You are so busted!

      You've got law-enforcement!

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  8. Maybe someone can work out... by Channard · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. why so many of Shakespeare's works are called comedies just because everyone doesn't die at the end. I saw the Merchant of Venice and there wasn't a single pie-fucking scene in it. I want my money back, dammit.

  9. Re:ENG 201 by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My Eng Lit classes made me think that Shakespeare was nothing but a chore. Thankfully, some friends encouraged me to go and see it at the theatre.

    Before any kid is given a book of a Shakespeare play, they should go and see it performed.

    And a note to english teachers - these are stories and are meant to entertain people - remember that when you teach it.

  10. We used to do that back in school... by ferkelparade · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...only for Schiller plays because that's what's usually read in German classrooms. Basically, we created a chart for every play where all the characters were connected by four different types of arrows which were labeled "kills", "tries to kill", "fucks" and "tries to fuck". Ah, the memories...

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  11. Mirrors of text and program by kathgar1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Google cache
    Program


    http://www.jibble.org/files/PieSpy-0.2.2.zip
    (Original link, only use if mine is down and YOU are going to mirror.)

  12. Re:Am I the only one ... by slim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This could have easily been done with any other author/book/etc. Lord of the Flies IMO would have been more fitting

    Theorising, somewhat, but if this software was designed for IRC, it expects input roughly in the form "Name of speaker: words spoken".

    Hence it needs plays rather than novels.

  13. Re:ENG 201 by discjockeydom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Funny you fention the MPAA. Piracy was rife even in the day of Shakespeare. He was regularly ripped off when 'pirates' would discretely write down the words to the play whilst watching and then open the same play up else where. It is still unclear whether some of the plays are originals or infact copies (usually with errors or missing scenes).