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Hitachi Announces 400GB Hard Drive

jkcity writes "Hitachi Global Storage Technologies has announced their new 400GB 3.5-inch ATA hard drive, which they claim makes them the new capacity king. Specs on the drive are also available."

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  1. Re:ATA-100 only ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, ata 133 is a scam.
    A standard 7200 RPM drive generally maxes at a little over 66MB/s (ATA100s just barly needed) (and cause its parallel, it can't share bandwidth).
    Note that WD and seagate don't use it.
    The hype about SATA is not 150MB/s, but that its serial and doesn't ahve any master/slave nonsense

  2. Re:Good for RAIDs by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 3, Informative
    It looks like a nice drive for putting in a big RAID

    AFAIK the acronym RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. And I guess at the moment such a drive is not what I would call "inexpensive". YMMV.

  3. 5 platters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are 5 80gb platters in this harddisk. They're just putting more of what makes a normal harddisk into it. I don't think that's a good idea: The result is probably heavier and more mechanically fragile than most harddisks. In my experience, disks with more platters fail sooner than disks with only one or two platters.

  4. Re:Good for RAIDs by fake_name · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "I" in RAID stands for "inexpensive". Part of the idea behind RAID is you can create a 400GB "drive" using 4 100 GB drives, which should work out cheaper. (ignoring the cost of the RAID controller...)

  5. Re:deskstar by eclectro · · Score: 5, Informative


    Because of the "deathstar problem" they are outsourcing inspection and final testing of the drives to a different company now.

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  6. Re:Good for RAIDs by divide+overflow · · Score: 5, Informative

    >>The "I" in RAID stands for "inexpensive".

    >Umm, no, it doesn't. It stands for "Independent".


    I believe you are BOTH right. As I recall, the "I" in RAID *originally* stood for "inexpensive" back in the days when the rapidly dropping price of 5.25" and 3.5" drives were making them very attractive "inexpensive" replacements for larger, *very* expensive mass storage systems. But time passed and the success of RAID arrays made them the primary method for providing high performance data storage and retrival as well as data redundancy. They became the new standard for comparison, so the term "inexpensive" was no longer relevant and was replaced with the word "independent," a term that better describes them. As I was typing this I found this link that seems to agree with my recollection.

  7. Re:Good for RAIDs by divide+overflow · · Score: 3, Informative

    >With 4x100GB, you could do RAID 0+1, for example, that is stripping+mirroring (2x100GB x2, you'll have 200GB space available and data security).

    OR you could do RAID 5, have striping and rotating parity, have 300GB of available space and be protected against a single drive failure. Of course, always match your RAID configuration to your specific data requirements, as each RAID configuration offers different trade-offs between usable storage space, read/write performance, data security and cost. YMMV.

  8. Re:Trickle down by quantumparadox · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case you haven't noticed the drives on your laptop are typically 2.5in wide and much much thinner than desktop drives. Why is this important? Well the limiting factor in HD size is the aureal density of the platter (bits / area). This is currently limited to around 60 billion bits / sq in. So if you want smaller drives to fit in your small laptop then you'll have to live with lower capacities. The platters being used in both 3.5 in desktop drives and 2.5in laptop drives have the *same* aureal density so I'm not quite sure what technology you're waiting for to trickle down. I think what you're really waiting for is a Chiropractor's dream 10 lb laptop not for technology to trickle down. Of course bigger disks tends to mean more momentum and thus high power dissapation so the troubles of stuffing bigger drives into laptops just continues to mount.

    And btw you can get 60 GB drives for laptops, that's a considerable amount of space. If you want more get an external USB storage cage or something similar.

  9. Drives 137 gigs by Henry+V+.009 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There can be some issues with the bigger drives. I just got a 200 Gig hard drive and it turns out that the default Debian installer won't work on it. Apparently kernels before 2.4.19 can't recognize drives bigger than 137 gigs. (Not this drive anyway). I had to install Debian through Knoppix. Even Windows XP won't recognize it unless you've got SP1.

  10. RAID 5 is independent too. by elwinc · · Score: 3, Informative
    In RAID 5, you can lose one disk and keep going. A RAID 5 array of seven disks will have six disks worth of data, and one disk worth of redundancy spread around all seven disks. Lose one and all the data is still there. Most RAID 5 controllers these days allow you to designate a hot spare. If you lose a disk, all the data from the lost disk will be re-created on the hot spare (might take a couple hours). Then, after the data has been restored, you again have enough redundancy to lose a disk without data loss.

    You can read here to find out about RAID levels 2 thru 4 (they aren't used much because RAID 5 is superior). RAID 10 is a combination of striping (RAID 0) and mirroring (RAID 1). Because of the mirroring, RAID 10 can lose a disk without losing data. You'll also find mentions of RAID 50, 51, and 15. These are combinations of RAID 5 with striping or mirroring. It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine disk independence.

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  11. Re:They should sell them in pairs by WuphonsReach · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course, gigabit switches are basically unheard of outside of very large networks, so unless you're using crossover cable you're still limited to 100Mbps, which practice gives you about 10MB/s (due to overhead). And many of us are on wireless networks, which will give you even less throughput.

    Um, check your rearview mirror more often...

    8-port, workgroup gigabit switches can be had for $150-$200. I just bought a 3com 8-port OfficeConnect switch this week for $150 from CDW.

    The prices have dropped a lot in the past 6 months. Gigabit cards as cheap as $25 (probably 32-bit PCI, which is another bottleneck) and 3com server NICs are only $120 or so. Unmanaged switches are down to $1400 for a 24-port.

    We're in the process of putting all of our servers onto a central 24-port gigabit switch. The older 24-port 10/100 switches will be star-topologied off of that to connect up the employee's computers. Back when gigabit was thousands / tens-of-thousands of bucks for the cards plus the switch, it wasn't affordable.

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  12. Auto-Spin Disabler Jumper by Erik_ · · Score: 3, Informative

    One of the most interesting feature of the disk, is the Auto-Spin disabler jumper. When using proper IDE RAID controllers (namely 3ware), the Auto-Spin disabler can be used to slowly spin up a large array of disks without blowing up your PSU.

  13. remember the GXP's by MoFoQ · · Score: 3, Informative

    just remember, Hitachi bought IBM's failed hard drive division, and subsequentially, new Hitachi drives are based on the designs and technologies acquired from IBM. Unfortunately, I'm not crazy or have the guts to play russian roulette with 6 live rounds in a sixshooter (as oppose to the customary single bullet) with my data. I've lost alot already. All 9 IBM 75GXP's I've purchased have died and several 120GXP's that my friends got, against my strongest opposition, have dead also.

    What ticks me off the most was that IBM's tech support denied and denied and I got stuck with dead drives that were at the time under warranty.

    Although, I would like to see some hardware review site put the Hitachi drives under MASSIVE long-term stress tests (not just one drive but several 10s of 'em or so).

    For Hitachi, it's a major uphill battle. They'll have to somehow prove their worthiness again. For one, maybe they shouldn't use the name "Deskstar" as it is synonymous to "Deathstar." Distancing themselves from IBM's flaws would be best for them. It's like how auto-makers make a sub-brand of themselves to distant themselves from the typical stereotypes and so they can sell for more and look classy too (Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, etc.).

  14. Re:deskstar by Shanep · · Score: 3, Informative

    Some suspected a design flaw.

    The fluid bearings would eventually leak (oil), which would make it's way across the disk platter thanks the centrifugal force. Disks spin fast, heads hover just over the disk (extremely close, as in, much closer than the thickness of a human hair) due to the airflow created by the spinning, a droplet of oil on the disk impacts into a head that's not designed to take direct impact of that magnitude. Especially not a huge impact like that from oil attached to a very fast spinning disk, with lots of inertia. BANG! Something that is at the mercy of extremely microscopically tight tolerances gets belted right where those tolerances matter the most! Your data might still be on the disk, but one or more of the heads are now useless.

    Loosing oil out of your fluid bearings can't be great either, since it is the oil that is the actual bearing itself.

    PS, I worked in gyro compass/stabilizers in a military role during the 80's. I heard that the F-16's gyro bearings were actually individual air molecules! The sleeve and shaft were built to such incredibly high tolerances that there was just enough space between them to use air as the bearings! I thought this was incredible, until they were replaced with fully solid state gyros based on lasers (measuring slight changes in 3 laser beams comprising 3 axis as the aircraft would move around)!

    Then IBM issued a firmware upgrade; some suspected the upgrade kept heads moving during idle time to keep them from colliding into each other. Who knows?

    Heads coliding into each other? Highly unlikely. Ever pulled an old broken HDD apart? They are practically fused together on an offset arm that allows them to "clamp" one or more platters. One arm moves them all. There might be some drives with more than one set of heads/arms, but I don't know of one yet and if it did exist, shirley they would not be able to hit each other. Be great to reduce latency and access times. Especially if they each only serviced a half of the disk each. SCSI TCQ would love that.

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