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Yarn Spun from Nanotubes

jabberjaw writes "Nature is reporting that Professor Alan H Windle has spun nanotube yarn by twisting nanotubes onto spinning rods as they come out of the furnace from which they are made. Professor Windle's team used ethanol (carbon source) with ferrocene (catalyst) and thiopene (for thread assembly) to create the structure. To create the tubes a mix of the above chemicals is inserted into a furnace in a jet of hydrogen gas. However, do not get your hopes up yet, the press release also indicates that the yarn has a strength comparable to that of most modern textiles but the groups does state that there is room for improvement. Yes, for those of you wondering, there is mention of a space elevator."

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  1. Thiopene? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not this time...

    thiophene ... one letter makes a big difference in chemistry

    IAAC - I am a chemist

  2. Good nanotube resource site by bcolflesh · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Good nanotube resource site by CriX · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if you're a new fan of nanotubes, here's a potentially revolutionary application: a space elevator. Too bad about the crappy material properties of this nanotube thread. I really thought at first this might be our big break towards really affordable space travel.

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  3. Not so fast spanky by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Informative

    But it's not clear whether the method will ever produce fibres as strong as the individual nanotubes that comprise them: to do that, each nanotube would need to be as long as the entire fibre.

    Nanotube is just another buzzword. Nothing special has been invented yet. The article says these are no stronger than regular textile fibers (like nylon, I assume).

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  4. Related site: Nanotube based QIP by thesp · · Score: 2, Informative

    These guys are using nanotubes to create a quantum computer.

  5. Don't Wear Nanoyarn Clothes To Picture Day! by Myriad · · Score: 2, Informative
    Nature is reporting that Professor Alan H Windle has spun nanotube yarn by twisting nanotubes onto spinning rods as they come out of the furnace from which they are made.

    Making clothes out of this 'yarn' may not be such a good idea... wear it out to picture day and you may be going home burned and naked!

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  6. Re:nanotube "dust" hazards? by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not sure but at this point in time the only people who have to worry are the ones making them in labs, and let me tell you the stuff used in most processes is a LOT more dangerous than casual exposure to asbestos. Benzene isolation was the fist method used to extract Buckminsterfullerenes for example, Benzene will kill you a lot faster than asbestos =)

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  7. Re:next generation by stephenisu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Eh, I doubt it. While tensile strength needs to be high in a ballistics vest, it also needs to be a little bit elastic. If not the shock just gets passed to the body full force.

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  8. Re:Expensive sweater by SB9876 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hard to say what the insulating properties of nanotubes might be. Insulation in fabric has less to do with the fibers and more to do with the way that it traps a layer of static air next to you. OTOH, nanotubes don't carry heat well (if at all, I seem to recall that the tube radius is to small to carry phonons radially) across the fibers but along their length, they should be one of the most effective heat conductors in existence.

    As for flammability, what you need to watch out for is the fact that they're optically unstable. Someone found out that if you try and takea flash picture of them, they spontaneously combust in a rather explosive manner.

    I can see a nanotube sweater at a family get together right now:

    "OK, everybody, say cheese!"

    "NO WAIT, NOOOOO!"

    FOOM!

  9. Re:next generation by Big_Breaker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not true... the elasticity is mostly determined by the vests weaving. Kevlar does not stretch very much - its tensile elongation % is 2.8

    Vests need to distribute the energy across the vest and elasticaity doesn't help there.

  10. Re:nanotube "dust" hazards? by phiala · · Score: 4, Informative
    Given the toughness and other properties of carbon nanotubes, does the dust tend to be like graphite, and reasonably safe as an inhalation hazard (being heavy and all), or has any kind of toxicology testing been done with them? I'd hate to see carbon nanotube fragments becoming the next asbestos.

    Unfortunately nanotubes appear to be much more toxic than graphite (at least particular kinds of nanotubes, and for inhalation), leading to lung damage of types unexpected by the scientists doing the research.

    I recently read a popular summary somewhere but of course don't remember exactly where. There's a fairly technical (but not unreadable) summary at from Toxicological Sciences available online. (I think that's a freely available article.)

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  11. Re:Space elevators by burgundy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a link to the presentation by Jordin Kare you're thinking about: http://www.isr.us/spaceelevatorconference/pdf/Kare /Workshop2_kare.pdf. One point he makes is that, to a large degree, propellent costs are irrelevant to the economics of lifting payloads to earth orbits. Space elevators satisfy a desire for technological elegance we all share, but they don't really seem so interesting when you examine their economics.

  12. Re:How to cut a rope so strong?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    kevlar is a funny material.

    it is a really strong fibre that can stop bullets when you make a vest out of it, but a knife will slide right through it and kill the wearer.

    just because an item has a strong tensile strength doesn't mean it can't be cut.

  13. Obligatory semantic comment by fnj · · Score: 2, Informative

    Carbon nanotubes are just carbon. Carbon is not toxic.

    Asbestos is not toxic either. Toxins work by chemical poisoning. Asbestos works its harm via mechanical damage on a microscopic scale.

  14. Re:Strength isn't the only issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Strength is usually expressed in terms of force per
    cross sectional area. To say that the new yarn has
    the same as the one implies "for the same thickness".

  15. Re:How to cut a rope so strong?? by Goldsmith · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not that hard to cut nanotubes. I imagine a knife or sharp rock would do nicely on this stuff, seeing as nanotubes grown from ethanol are usually full of defects (yay oxygen).

    Remember, they have high tensile strength, not a high shear strength. We cut nanotubes all the time in our lab, using a silicon atomic force microscope tip (think tiny, tiny silicon record player).

    On the other hand, it would be a pain to be tied up in nanotubes. They might stretch a little, but good luck breaking it.

  16. Re:Space Elevator and Nature by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the space elevator plans I've read, you don't "anchor" it. The elevator has a counter weight on the other end, so that the center of mass is at geosynchronous orbit. It isn't anchored; it's suspended in the air. They attach the bottom to some floating platform in the ocean so you can actually get on the elevator, but at that point the tension should be essentially zero.

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