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Essential Check Point Firewall-1 NG

Raymond Lodato writes "For the past six years, I've been responsible for the installation, configuration, and maintenance of the firewalls at my company. I was surprised and annoyed at the caliber of documentation supplied by Check Point. Six years ago, you really needed a reseller with the appropriate expertise to teach you how to design and implement a firewall. A year or so later, I found Phoneboy's website (phoneboy.com). It was an oasis for someone drowning in the sea of confusing literature and advice. In the time since, I have frequently referred to Phoneboy's site, as well as his fw1-gurus mailing list, as an unsurpassed source of information." Read below for Lodato's review of Phoneboy's recently updated book on the subject. Essential Check Point Firewall-1 NG - An Installation, Configuration, and Troubleshooting Guide author Dameon D. Welch-Abernathy pages 647 publisher Addison-Wesley rating 9/10 reviewer Raymond Lodato (rlodato AT yahoo DOT com) ISBN 0321180615 summary An excellent guide to the ins and outs of configuring Check Point's FireWall-1 NG product, with a guide to the foundations of a good security policy. A 'must read' for any Check Point firewall administrator.

Phoneboy (nee Dameon Welch-Abernathy) has proven himself to be extremely knowledgeable about Check Point's FireWall-1 product. In October of 2001, he produced a book (Essential Check Point FireWall-1, Addison-Wesley, 2001) that helped to clarify the vast amount of information collected over the years through the mailing list and the website. Shortly after the book was published, Check Point saw fit to render it almost obsolete by releasing FireWall-1 NG. The new version of Check Point's flagship product was so different, you almost had to start from scratch to understand it. Dameon has taken the necessary next step and updated his original book. The new book, Essential Check Point FireWall-1 NG, (Addison-Wesley, 2004) now covers all existing versions of NG, up to and including NG with Application Intelligence (NGAI).

When you first open the book and look at the Contents pages, two things will strike you. The first is that the Contents page starts with "Frequently Asked Questions." Anyone who has spent any time on technical websites knows that Frequently Asked Questions (or FAQs) are the first place to look to gather the nugget(s) of wisdom you need. The fact that Dameon has included a large list of FAQs in the book makes it valuable for quickly addressing the typical problems and questions an administrator faces. The second thing you will note is that he does not start describing anything about FireWall-1 itself until late into Chapter 2. He takes the time to lay the foundation of what a firewall is, as well as what a good security policy is, and why it's so important to get one and get it right.

As I read through the book, I was pleased to see that Dameon followed one of the cardinal principles of good presentation: tell them what you're going to say, say it, then tell them what you said. Each chapter outlines what you will know by the end, teaches you what you need to know, then summarizes it. Dameon writes in a style I would call clear but not condescending. It takes someone who not only knows his subject well, but understands his audience well, to walk the fine line between the two. Dameon shows his chops by treading that line like a tightrope walker.

Each chapter contains carefully organized information with numerous figures and screen shots interspersed, to keep the text understandable. Starting in Chapter 4, Dameon also includes selected FAQs culled from the many available on his website. I found this much more valuable than collecting them at the end of the book in one gigantic haystack that you needed to search for that one precious needle. Later chapters include sample configurations to clarify the concepts just described. This makes Essential Check Point FireWall-1 NG useful as a teaching resource, as well as a general reference to the product.

While the chapters in the book follow a logical progression, each building on the prior information, Dameon made sure that most chapters (and even sections within the chapters) could stand alone. This means you can pick and choose what you want to read. For example, if you needed to focus on FireWall-1 on IPSO, you don't necessarily have to worry about what was written about Solaris. The information on IPSO would repeat enough information that you wouldn't have to refer to previous pages. Even so, Dameon provides back references when repeating the information would be too cumbersome.

I did notice that Dameon varied the amount of detail used throughout the book. Sometimes he uses a high-level approach, and sometimes he goes into excruciating detail. Unfortunately there were a number of places I wanted him to provide more detail, only to have him skim over the treetops. While he does explain up front that this book was supposed to cover the essential information, covering some areas in detail just whets your appetite for that same amount of detail in all areas.

One other quibble I have revolves around the figures used in his examples. It becomes obvious that this book evolved over a period of time (I believe he took around a year to get this edition put together). Some figures apparently came from an earlier version of the book, as the text referred to something else. One example occurs in Chapter 8 (User Authentication). Dameon's sample configurations are written in a "follow-me" style. One sample configuration has the text "Next, create the group WebAdmins and add bob and dan to this group." If you followed his directions and then referred to the sample rule base in the figure on the next page, you would see that the group is named DMZAdmins instead of WebAdmins. (And the specs given for the same sample configuration specify that S/Key will be used, yet the figure showing the Authentication tab clearly has S/Key un-checked.) Little inconsistencies like this should have been picked up on the proofreading. Their existence mars an otherwise excellent book.

Overall, Essential Check Point FireWall-1 NG is aptly named: essential. If you are responsible for the care and feeding of Check Point's FireWall-1 software on any platform, you need to get and read this book. It's definitely going to stay within arm's reach on my desk.

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149 comments

  1. Well written. by ()vnorby() · · Score: 1

    Phoneboy sounds like something else I like to read. On the other hand, I too read this book, and I enjoyed the detail and also the easy way it was presented. Thanks for the review!

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  2. Arms reach on the desk? by stuffduff · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IMHO, while the book is argueably excellent in its own right; and exactly the kind of thing to build a through working understanding of what is going on: I wonder if the problems covered therein will remain on the cutting edge of firewall management. So, if I were using Checkpoint, I'd probably sleep with the damn thing for the first few weeks, but eventually it would find it's way off the desk and up on the shelf, where it (more than likely) is on its way to the next booksale.

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    1. Re:Arms reach on the desk? by gnumake · · Score: 0

      will remain on the cutting edge of firewall management

      Firewalls are the front line of defense of a DDoS attack. The technology on both sides is just an arms race, so it's impossible to have a fixed point that remains on the cutting edge.

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    2. Re:Arms reach on the desk? by austad · · Score: 2, Informative

      The technology in the firewall industry changes so quickly, books have out of date information the day they get published. One of the best ways to stay abreast is just use mailing lists, forums, and manufacturer websites.

      If you're a Netscreen admin, you can always use netscreenforum.com. Yeah, it's a shameless plug, but not many Netscreen customers know about it. Many of Netscreen's own engineers frequent the site, even though it's not run or sponsored by them.

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  3. Slashdotted already by October_30th · · Score: 4, Funny
    It was an oasis for someone drowning in the sea of confusing literature and advice.

    Given the Slashdotting, the past tense used in the article is actually very appropriate.

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    1. Re:Slashdotted already by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

      And now slashdotters sucked it dry..

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  4. Hmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you telling me this is a review of a manual?

  5. Props, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I'm paying $$$ for Check Point 1 software, I don't wanna have to buy aftermarket book to tell me how to use it.

    How about an OpenBSD firewall guide book, eh?

    1. Re:Props, but... by mgoodman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But you would buy a book on a commercial Unix variant? Or Microsoft training? Etc.

      Third-party books are frequently better than the documentation provided by the company, as the third-party is more apt to give you tips and tricks and hacks to get the job done, rather than going on about how great a product it is.

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    2. Re:Props, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I'm paying $$$ for Check Point 1 software, I don't wanna have to buy aftermarket book to tell me how to use it.

      You're shelling out $50k for the software but complain about a $40 book? Personally I would rather buy a 3rd party book than one from the software maker as they have to compete to explain the topic to the user.

    3. Re:Props, but... by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny
      If I'm paying $$$ for Check Point 1 software, I don't wanna have to buy aftermarket book to tell me how to use it.

      Don't worry, if you get stuck or locked out of your firewall you can call up the Mossad for tech support. *ducks away from the ensuing firewall geek flamewar*

    4. Re:Props, but... by kfg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I'm paying $$$ for a commercial grade table saw, I don't wanna have to buy an aftermarket book to tell me how to use it?

      There is a difference in "how" to use something, i.e. what the levers and dials do, and the art, craft, and wisdom is in applying those dials and levers.

      My table saw manufacturer is obliged to provide me with a manual explaining the proper and safe use of the device. He is not obliged to tell how to apply the device specifically to the making a grandfather clock and a Shaker trestle table.

      Other people write books to help me figure that out.

      KFG

    5. Re:Props, but... by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      if I'm paying $$$ for Check Point 1 software, I don't wanna have to buy aftermarket book to tell me how to use it.

      Well, this sort of sounds better than saying:

      if I'm paying $$$ for software, I don't wanna have read a book to tell me how to use it

      Which is not what you said, but it is what it reminded me of

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    6. Re:Props, but... by ADRA · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      OT, but that reminds me of another rant.

      I really hate buying hardware and then guys like LinuxAnt being the only ones selling drivers for it. I know these guys gotta eat, but I'd hate to pay $20 on drivers for a $50 piece of hardware!!

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    7. Re:Props, but... by Paws+Across+the+Keyb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Heh.

      I'll give you three. And a website to cap them. :)

      "Building Linux and Openbsd Firewalls", by Wes Sonnenreich and Tom Yates. Published in February, 2000. Dated, both Linux and OpenBSD have gone through too many changes for this to be an "in the trenches" reference. It's a decent view from 30,000 feet.

      "Absolute OpenBSD", by Michael Lucas. Published in June, 2003. Its ISBN is 1886411999. Covers OpenBSD 3.2, so it's relevance to 3.4 is high. Has a few typos which do not seriously mar the content.

      As any decent book on OpenBSD should do, it walks you through an install. The coverage of pf is more than sufficient for most firewall applications. The appendices, with their exhaustive exploration of OpenBSD's maker-specific device prefixes, will save you a great deal of headache.

      "Building Firewalls with OpenBSD and PF, 2"nd edition", by Jacek Artymiak. Published in November, 2003. Its ISBN is 8391665119. Covers OpenBSD 3.4, so it's essentially hot off the press. This will answer just about any technical question about PF that you care to ask. A must-read, if you want to get the most out of PF.

      "But how do I _harden_an OpenBSD firewall?", I hear you cry. A good place to start looking for the answer to that question is at http://geodsoft.com/howto/harden/

    8. Re:Props, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm ... you don't really have to buy a book at all. You can use the OpenBSD man pages. They are actually pretty good.

      It seems the reputation of man pages in general has become so bad, few people ever think to look at them.

    9. Re:Props, but... by nologin · · Score: 1
      I guess that you have never had the luxury of dealing with Checkpoint support.

      I work for an MSSP and regularly deal with Checkpoint. It is also good to get an independant source for tips about Checkpoint. To put it simply, Checkpoint support is sometimes less than helpful.

    10. Re:Props, but... by dohcvtec · · Score: 1

      You're shelling out $50k for the software but complain about a $40 book?

      Uh, if I were shelling out $50,000 for any software, I would complain that the software didn't include so much as a $40 book. If I were a Checkpoint customer I would seriously wonder why they don't include Phoneboy's book with the software, and/or why they aren't paying him for his book.

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    11. Re:Props, but... by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

      Or no firewall at all. Besides playing anonymous on the web, there is really no point in having them. They can be bypassed so easily...

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    12. Re:Props, but... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      If you're buying a 50K product, and you know absolutely nothing about using it.....

      I hope you bought some consultant time as well. Commercial FWs are nothing to play with for the inexperienced. Pay the consultant (and buy the freakin $40 book) and pay extremely close attention to the consultant, and pump for info (that's what you're paying him for) Odds are, he'll do it wrong, but you won't be 100% vulnerable. (Now there's a confidence statement!)

      (FYI - current external access from my node is pure port 80, with the web server only accepting an extremely limited character set, heck the web server is limited... ;)

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    13. Re:Props, but... by Shanep · · Score: 1

      How about an OpenBSD firewall guide book, eh?

      Some books. The first two are appropriate, however Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls is really out of date.

      The FAQ. Is very nice.

      Or the best reference there is! Constantly up to date. Print it out, read it, use PF, never ever look back.

      Especially on your fully state synced redundant PF firewalls.

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    14. Re:Props, but... by Shanep · · Score: 1

      But you would buy a book on a commercial Unix variant?

      Third-party books are frequently better than the documentation provided by the company


      I've yet to find a book, which is as good as the OpenBSD man pages.

      Leave the commercial World behind, read the PF man page and discover what you've been missing out on.

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    15. Re:Props, but... by mgoodman · · Score: 1

      OpenBSD is freeware, not commercial software.

      Not to mention the fact that, however good OpenBSD may be, there simply aren't enough commercial authors on the subject to really promote competition and encourage authors to put out *QUALITY* books.

      But there are some companies that provide great man pages...Legato, for example.

      Again, this is mainly documentation, such as "this command does this and has these options", whereas commercial books generally have that and ways to hack apart the product to get the job done, independant of the companies vision of their product.

      I've read many books that say things like "Again, Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to deviate from the norm and bastardize protocol X -- so this is how you get it to work the way it SHOULD work"...you're typically not going to get that from the same company releasing the product, commercial or free...

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    16. Re:Props, but... by Shanep · · Score: 1

      OpenBSD is freeware, not commercial software.

      That's why I said, "Leave the commercial World behind".

      Not to mention the fact that, however good OpenBSD may be, there simply aren't enough commercial authors on the subject to really promote competition and encourage authors to put out *QUALITY* books.

      Have you read any of the books?

      I have almost all of them.

      One of them is very high quality, as far as grammar goes and all of them are very high quality as far as technical details go.

      But, who needs books, when you have such fantastic man pages!? People used to complain that there was no documentation for OpenBSD, yet completely ignored the fantastic man pages.

      I've read many books that say things like "Again, Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, has decided to deviate from the norm and bastardize protocol X -- so this is how you get it to work the way it SHOULD work"...you're typically not going to get that from the same company releasing the product, commercial or free...

      I agree with this about commercial software but not the free stuff.

      OpenBSD is about true freedom. You are empowered with the exensive man pages, good FAQ's, mailing lists and the source. OpenBSD often gives various ways to do one thing, but most importantly, they don't bastardize anything, so they don't have anything to hide.

      If you feel there is bias, you can always find an alternative view elsewhere on the net. But chances are, that if OpenBSD does something a particular way, off from the norm, there is usually a very good reason for it.

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    17. Re:Props, but... by mgoodman · · Score: 1

      lol what are you a man-page writer for the openbsd project or something :P

      regardless, it sounds like you're contradicting yourself a bit. we both seem to agree that some man pages rock (like books, some more than others). and you say yourself you've got great openbsd books.

      You said, "who needs books, when you have such fantastic man pages!?" Apparently you did.

      If the manpages have all that you need, why would you consider the books that you own great, rather than just a rehash of the manpages? Clearly you have a reason for liking the book, or buying the book in the first place. perhaps the man pages didn't quite answer all of your questions? If it did, why didnt you just print out all the manpages?

      Also, a novice openbsd user may not even know what the man pages are, sad as that may be...and if we want open source to grow, we should encourage newbies to venture into our world. It's easier for many people (though not myself) to pick up a book and start with page 1 than surf the net looking for info on how to use openbsd (or any other software, commercial or free)).

      sure, all the information is available in the manpages, on mailing lists, faqs on the net, etc., but its nice to have it all in one book that you can consult whenever you need to.

      and in my experiences i've noticed that man pages of commercial software are typically much better than free software (open source or not)...mainly because companies usually don't want to spend money on tech support when they could put out a half decent set of manpages...after all, you're not gonna be in business long if you make your clients surf the net or browse mailing lists for answers to their questions on how to use (not necessarily troubleshoot) their product.

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    18. Re:Props, but... by Shanep · · Score: 1

      lol what are you a man-page writer for the openbsd project or something :P

      ; ) No, I just love OpenBSD. I like all the big free BSD's.

      regardless, it sounds like you're contradicting yourself a bit. we both seem to agree that some man pages rock (like books, some more than others). and you say yourself you've got great openbsd books.

      You said, "who needs books, when you have such fantastic man pages!?" Apparently you did.


      I purchase BSD related books when they come out, to encourage the publishing of further BSD books to generally help the BSD projects. Seriously. By the time I get to finish the book, a newer version is out, or more importantly, more up to date man pages are waiting for me.

      Computer text books normally get used for reference, manual pages should serve this well, OpenBSD's man pages do.

      I have also tried to purchase every official OpenBSD CD set since 2.5 (when I first tried it), I've bought loads of shirts and I even made a donation of brand new hardware. That donation did not make it because the drive model specifically requested was end-of-lifed and I could not find it anywhere else.

      For me, purchasing books is one way I can support them.

      If the manpages have all that you need, why would you consider the books that you own great, rather than just a rehash of the manpages?

      I don't need books, with these. But it can be nice to flake out in bed and read a book.

      Clearly you have a reason for liking the book, or buying the book in the first place.

      It is not a need though, just a want.

      Also, a novice openbsd user may not even know what the man pages are, sad as that may be.

      After you install OpenBSD (at least), you get a message about what is expected of you as a user. Including the usage of apropos to answer your own questions. If you downloaded OpenBSD, there is a good chance you read something along these lines at the OpenBSD web site and if you purchased a CD set, the insert tells you too. That is why the developers and users get upset on the mailing lists, when someone asks a question (without enough of the required details) which was asked and answered just recently perhaps.

      in my experiences i've noticed that man pages of commercial software are typically much better than free software (open source or not)

      I agree with this completely, if you take OpenBSD out of the running.

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  6. Shorewall by hot_Karls_bad_cavern · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    For my simple home firewall/nat i use Shorewall (use IPfilter on Solaris at work), but damn, i love a good read on other firewalls and their setups.

    i must say that i really like the idea of phoneboy.com being TWiki....just allows for such a broader range of information from people.

    Since i can't read the Ma Bell site from the previous article, i'll go check this out for the afternoon.

    1. Re:Shorewall by Homology · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      For my simple home firewall/nat i use Shorewall (use IPfilter on Solaris at work), but damn, i love a good read on other firewalls and their setups.

      Then I'm sure you'll enjoy reading the PF Example : Firewall for Home or Small Office from the very good PF FAQ.

      One of the reasons for using OpenBSD to replace my Linux firwall, was the very readable PF firewall rules. To be honest, IPtables rule syntax sucks, and projects like Shorewall is a testament to that.

    2. Re:Shorewall by gnumake · · Score: 0

      I installed Shorewall at home, but halfway through the configuration realized that it can't be used to filter traffic through a Layer 2 Bridge, which is essential for my setup.

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    3. Re:Shorewall by ADRA · · Score: 1

      IMHO iptables lower level interfaces are terse because its modular.

      "pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port $tcp_services flags S/SA keep state"

      How is this syntax -more- readable? Unless you know what your doing, both will look like absolute garbage! If you know what you're doing, you shouldn't be worrying about syntax. Choose the product that performs what you need, whatever it is.

      I personally like netfilter/iptables because of its excellent extensions. They make Linux a very powerful network device.

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    4. Re:Shorewall by Homology · · Score: 1
      "pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port $tcp_services flags S/SA keep state"

      How is this syntax -more- readable?

      You mean that "same" IPtable rule

      "iptables -A INPUT -i $ext_if -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,ACK SYN -s $any_addr -d $ext_if_addr -dport $tcp_services -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT"

      is more readable?

    5. Re:Shorewall by ADRA · · Score: 1

      you mean:

      iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s $any_addr -d $ext_if_addr -dport $tcp_services -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
      iptables -A INPUT -m state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

      What I am saying is that both systems look intimidating to those who don't know about firewalls, and those that know about firewalls shouldn't care about syntax anyways.

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    6. Re:Shorewall by dohcvtec · · Score: 1

      "pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port $tcp_services flags S/SA keep state"

      If you know what you're doing, you shouldn't be worrying about syntax. Choose the product that performs what you need, whatever it is.

      You mean that "same" IPtable rule

      "iptables -A INPUT -i $ext_if -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,ACK SYN -s $any_addr -d $ext_if_addr -dport $tcp_services -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT"

      is more readable?

      Wow, I knew iptables rules were terse, but that's just ridiculous compared to the plain-english-like flow of pf and IPFilter rules. Sure, if you know what you're doing, there shouldn't be any comprehension problem. But frankly when a single rule is as obscenely long as that iptables rule, it leaves a lot more room for errors, and it leaves a lot more for the admin to have to check over.

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    7. Re:Shorewall by Shanep · · Score: 1

      "pass in on $ext_if inet proto tcp from any to ($ext_if) port $tcp_services flags S/SA keep state"

      How is this syntax -more- readable? Unless you know what your doing, both will look like absolute garbage!


      Actually, it is English.

      Pass packets coming in on the external interface as long as they are tcp protocol, from any IP specifically sent to our external interface (not just subnet noise) and as long as they are tcp services (ports) that we want, when the SYN flag in the tcp flags is ON (S/SA) and allow this established connection back in (keep state with less fuss next time).

      Anyone who really does actually know TCP/IP well (someone you would want configuring your firewall), should be able to look at that line (and the rest of the config file(s) where those $macros are defined), and it should just make complete sense to them, because the terms or abreviations are obvious.

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  7. NG? by sulli · · Score: 3, Funny

    I would have said it was OK

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  8. My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was a young impressionable admin when I was first introduced to Checkpoint. At the time, they had barely stepped out of their domestic Israeli market and we had a copy thanks to a co-worker who worked in a kibutz for two years.

    Anyways, I was astounded at the fine level of detail that one could control the packets in that FW product. We immediatelly proceeded to deploy Checkpoint in our production Solaris 3 environment. We found the network configuration to be easy and the core install of Solaris 3 satisfied all the requirements.

    Little did I know that the product was not yet mature and optimized to deal with the large traffic in our organization. FTP and Gopher services crashed around our ears as we ran around like headless chickens. We deduced right away that it was checkpoint and went back to our original configuration.

    Oh, how we laughed after that incident. It sometimes still makes me snicker.

    Which is nice.

    1. Re:My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds more like you lacked the experience in configuring it properly. :) Checkpoint was the best 3 years ago but isn't necessarily number one anymore. It is a rock solid product nonetheless.

    2. Re:My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Solaris 3? No such beast. Maybe 2.3, which was reasonably current back in the gopher days. Sounds like you are just making stuff up.

    3. Re:My experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have skimmed over the "Gopher" part.

      Which isn't nice.

  9. With a name like Dameon... by RevDobbs · · Score: 1

    I want to know why someone named Dameon feels compelled to get a nick name...

    1. Re:With a name like Dameon... by phoneboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of my college professors, a Chinese fellow whose command of the english language was not perfect, often called me "Demon." :)

      Here is my explanation on the name PhoneBoy. Since I'm not interested in increasing the slashdot effect on my site, I'll post the relevant bit here:

      For those who care, the name PhoneBoy was given to me by one of the hosts of Radionet Talk Radio, a radio show I used to work on in 1996. I used to screen calls for the show. The host forgot my name one day and called me PhoneBoy just to call me something. The thought I had at the time was "[The host] is never going to let this name go, so I might as well embrace it." And embrace it I have. :)

      As I've evolved my web presence over the years, the name PhoneBoy became very closely tied to FireWall-1. In fact, if you Google for FireWall-1, you'll see that www.phoneboy.com comes up right after Check Point, the company that makes FireWall-1 (now marketed as VPN-1).

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  10. Thank you for the slashdotting of my webserver by phoneboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    2:47PM up 1 day, 19:07, 24 users, load averages: 138.60, 97.23, 61.14

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    1. Re:Thank you for the slashdotting of my webserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't use the phone to distribute your message? I think I have a copy of Renegade somewhere. Do you have 2 Megs of RAM and DesqView on your machine?

    2. Re:Thank you for the slashdotting of my webserver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did not get the chance to visit your site but I bet
      you wish it was all text right now ;)

      textfiles.org

    3. Re:Thank you for the slashdotting of my webserver by ()vnorby() · · Score: 1

      lmao. Your site is down now ;) Sorry about the low bandwidth buddy

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    4. Re:Thank you for the slashdotting of my webserver by bonezed · · Score: 1

      ouch!

      sorry about that

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  11. do checkpoint customers even use the fancy featur. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    do checkpoint customers even use the fancy features?

    One has to wonder how many check point firewalls could be
    reaplced with a freebsd box, two nics, and ipfw with dummynet.

    I always thought the people who paid for firewall software were the ones who did not have time, needed super duper new features, or were to dumb to use ipfw.

    have a bad day.

  12. Essential text and web site for FW-1 admins by octaene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been administering Check Point systems for about 4 years now, and I must say I'm not even close to surprised by this reviewers comments. Phoneboy's book and site have been essential for FW-1 admins for long before I began working on this software. I've owned 3 revisions of his textbook, and it IS the best text ever written about Check Point products, bar none.

  13. Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 5, Funny

    Step one: remove power cord from CheckPoint box.

    Step two: load CheckPoint onto trebuchet.

    Step three: launch CheckPoint into Low Earth Orbit, or at least into the neighbor's hedges.

    Step four: install an OpenBSD box with two ethernet interfaces and configure PF.

    (Step four can alternatively be replaced with Linux/Netfilter, FreeBSD/IPF or Solaris/IPF -- whatever your poison is.)

    But I'm only bitter because I was stupid enough to buy into CheckPoint's snake oil. Fool me once, shame on me, etc -- that goddamn thing cost me close to six months of time that could have been productively spent doing just about anything else. Never, ever again.

    (Okay, just for kicks, here's an actual tidbit of useful Checkpoint info: There's a Rule Zero. It doesn't appear in the rules screen. It's probably not doing what you think it's doing.)

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    1. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad I'm not the onlyone that ran into "rule 0". I wasn't too happy issues with arp entries either...

    2. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by ADRA · · Score: 1

      I think of myself as a decent iptables admin, and I've always heard decent repute from checkpoint (besides the price).

      Can someone fill me in to why checkpoint is technically inferior to the likes of iptables?

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    3. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Can someone fill me in to why checkpoint is technically inferior to the likes of iptables?

      It's by no means technically inferior to iptables.. quite the opposite. It's so complicated, bloated and buggy that there are many ways to misconfigure it. iptables doesn't do a tenth of what Checkpoint Firewall-1 can do.

    4. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Six months? What did you do, attempt to read the INSPECT code line by line? Rule 0 is well-documented in both the documentation and in many references, both books and websites.

      Just because you were not smart enough to learn the product before deployment does not mean its a bad product. I use both CheckPoint and OpenBSD/pf myself, but for large implementations and complex rulebases and real HA, Checkpoint is hard to beat.

    5. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 1

      Six months? What did you do, attempt to read the INSPECT code line by line?

      No, I tried to make SecuRemote work as advertised. (Or, really, at all.) Silly me.

      (The rule zero comment was a throwaway line to appease the moderators; you may safely assume that I did in fact read the documentation and knew what I was doing.)

      I'll happily concede that there are situations in which a commercially supported firewall with central management and deployment capability are a better choice than a unix box with a bolted-on packet filter. I also strongly suspect that the vast majority of Checkpoint users don't fall into that category.

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    6. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how do you plan to manage those OpenBSD (or whatever) boxes evenly distributed around the globe? What if you add VPN to the soup?

      No free software solution beats central management offered by Checkpoint.

      (And rule 0 is clearly documented and is visible via GUI, if you select "show all rules" option.)

    7. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Doktor+Memory · · Score: 1

      And how do you plan to manage those OpenBSD (or whatever) boxes evenly distributed around the globe?

      Wow, there are certainly no tools at all that I could think of that would help me do that...

      To quote one of my favorite legendary assholes: "This is unix. Stop acting so helpless."

      (In all seriousness: yes, there are probably plenty of cases where there's no business case to be made for rolling your own system, and where Checkpoint's management console or a similar tool is probably a good choice.)

      What if you add VPN to the soup?

      Using Checkpoint? I'd say that you now have a pressing need for an aspirin. YMMV.

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    8. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Checkpoint/1 Rule Zero (Classified):
      Never oppose a Checkpoint/1 senior officer.

    9. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, speaking in metaphores, the Checkpoint Firewall-1 is a complicated automatic fire fighting system with maintenance requirements, and the iptables as a firewall is a six feet thick wall of stainless steel and concrete between you and the fire?

    10. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by carlivar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OpenBSD does make sense in small business situations, but for the enterprise it does not. Dealing with 25 different openbsd machines with a text-based PF config on each does not sound fun to me. Yeah I'm sure you could script some pretty cool central management out of it all, but that's not realistic for most places.

      But... Checkpoint is a huge pain, I agree. It is arguably the most bloated software product in history. That's why I recommend Netscreen -- the nice management of Checkpoint with rock-solid hardware reliability and performance.

      Netscreen does the "little things" that Checkpoint doesn't. Like scheduled DNS resolution for objects in a firewall policy. (Nope, Checkpoint doesn't do that).

      And since Netscreen is one box, you don't deal with firewall/OS seperation issues.

      It takes me hours to set up a Checkpoint on a Sun, or Nokia, or whatever (upgrade and lock down the OS, then install & upgrade Checkpoint and do the voodoo for the management station, as well as the licensing).

      It takes me 30 minutes or less to get a Netscreen going. Boot it, upgrade the whole thing (5 minutes), configure via http or ssh, and done. I could do it in 10-15 minutes if I took the time to come up with a config template that I could just paste in.

      Oh, that's the other beauty of Netscreen - TEXT CONFIG. Ever look at the "config" of a Checkpoint? A nightmare mishmash of .c files that are not very human parseable. Netscreen? You can see everything the machine is doing in a 4k text file.

      Carl

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    11. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No free software solution beats central management offered by Checkpoint.

      And the script kiddies know it too.

    12. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Okay ...complicated, bloated and buggy...
      I'll buy that.
      That netfilter/iptables+variousoOSSadded stuff can't do a 10th of what checkpoint can do, that I dispute.
      Name some?!! There are a few integrations that checkpoint has already handled radius authentication etc, but often those integrations are erratic and can be integrated into a linux or openbsd firewall.
      Also tieing your firewall device and your VPN device together on a checkpoint is problematic as well, case in point the recent isakmp vulnerability. Gee what do we do now??!!

      And I speak as someone who managed 300+ checkpoints in a managed firewall environment for 3+ years,
      they SUCK!!!!!

    13. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot
      Step Five: Invite your checkpoint sales representative to lunch, poison him.

    14. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IPTables is good, but try administering 24 VPN connections of various types from vendors 87 logical networks and 12 interfaces in an HA configuration without going insane. I've admin'd both FW-1 and IPtables setups and I can say that they aren't even in the same playing field let alone game in terms of performance or quality/flex/features.

      While Checkpoint as a company has some issues (i.e. support quality) the product is bar none the class that doesn't compare to much else out there, except Cisco and a few others.

      -c

    15. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by cowbutt · · Score: 1
      (Okay, just for kicks, here's an actual tidbit of useful Checkpoint info: There's a Rule Zero. It doesn't appear in the rules screen. It's probably not doing what you think it's doing.)

      I'm not a great fan of FW-1, but it's a shame that whoever plunked down the cash for the software didn't also pay for some training for you; that snippet would have been covered in the basic course.

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    16. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Shanep · · Score: 1

      I'll happily concede that there are situations in which a commercially supported firewall with central management and deployment capability are a better choice than a unix box with a bolted-on packet filter.

      I find comments like this, about Unix, hilarious. In Unix, the limit is YOU and your knowledge, intelligence and immagination.

      PF is welded (very carefully) into the OpenBSD kernel. It is not "bolted on". A good packet filter is one of the most important parts of OpenBSD, and PF and the rest of the kernel get treated as such.

      I know what you mean though, I wouldn't use Linux for firewalling either.

      A huge group of remote firewalls can be remotely administered without even having any ports (eg ssh) open on them. You could set up an scp or rsync through ssh tunnel to periodically check back to a central server, which has all the remote configs saved on it. No big deal.

      If you absolutely must be able to connect to the firewalls remotely at any time, then you will have to run a service on them. No thanks. I love using OpenBSD, but I won't even run sshd on an OpenBSD firewall with privsep. So little to gain and too much to lose. I prefer the firewalls connect to me with authentication and if I find out that sshd is vulnerable again, I simply shut it down on the central management server, patch it (ONE server) and then carry on.

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    17. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Shanep · · Score: 1

      OpenBSD does make sense in small business situations, but for the enterprise it does not.

      I can tell you, with authority, that I know that the two largest banks in my country, have at least used OpenBSD on some of their perimeters.

      I say "at least" because I haven't seen all the perimeter firewalls and I say "used" because my info is about 2 years old. My guess, is that they use them on all, to this day, but I can't say for certain, I can only go off what internal software developers I still know have told me.

      Dealing with 25 different openbsd machines with a text-based PF config on each does not sound fun to me.

      Firewall rules are really dry.

      Text is the safest and most efficient way to get the details across without any ambiguity.

      Yeah I'm sure you could script some pretty cool central management out of it all, but that's not realistic for most places.

      It all comes down to the admin. Many a time, I have achieved things that OEM's, vendors and previous "admins" have claimed to be "impossible". Often figuring out how to do it within minutes, which can be pretty embarassing for the ex admin.

      What's realistic for one admin, might be unrealistic for another.

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    18. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by carlivar · · Score: 1
      It all comes down to the admin. Many a time, I have achieved things that OEM's, vendors and previous "admins" have claimed to be "impossible". Often figuring out how to do it within minutes, which can be pretty embarassing for the ex admin.

      I do not disagree. Often though, companies discourage such homegrown solutions because:

      What's realistic for one admin, might be unrealistic for another.

      So what happens when the admin with the homegrown solution leaves the company? Hopefully they trained others on their solution, but we all know that can be wishful thinking. Maybe the solution is "unrealistic" for other admins to support.

      Never underestimate the value of a phone number to companies. Management types get all warm and fuzzy knowing there's a phone number that can be called for problems/questions/blame.

      Carl

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    19. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Shanep · · Score: 1

      I do not disagree. Often though, companies discourage such homegrown solutions because:

      What's realistic for one admin, might be unrealistic for another.


      They must not have much faith in admin candidates then or the current admins documentation skills or willingness. I know there are a lot of bad admins, but a company who typically goes to trouble to find a good admin, is willing to get one that provides real solutions (that work until someone pulls the plug) and documentation.

      I have worked for companies, who have performed interview procedures that have taken months and in the end they did not choose anyone! Prefering to try again a little later after reviewing their advertising procedures! In this particular case, the senior admin could get by with overtime and other IT staff, until they could get the expert they wanted.

      They don't go to all that trouble, just to get some guy who chooses a product out of a bunch of promotional pamphlets. One of the "impossibilities" I acheived is still working after about 8 years (PABX programing).

      In Unix admin, that is what it is all about! Scripting, C, creative configurations, etc. You don't want to replace a good admin with a bad admin ever. The bad admin can wreck in weeks, what the good admin probably had going for years.

      So what happens when the admin with the homegrown solution leaves the company?

      Documentation. If the old admin did not do it, that is a failure of management.

      If the old admin did do it, but the new admin is to arrogant or lazy to check it, then that is also a failure of management.

      Hopefully they trained others on their solution, but we all know that can be wishful thinking.

      Not from me. I was taking calls for weeks after I left one job, because people did not RTFM so to speak! Intranet documentation systems were in place when I got there, and seemingly I was one of the few to ever use it beyond the novelty factor.

      Maybe the solution is "unrealistic" for other admins to support.

      Never underestimate the value of a phone number to companies.


      Can you name a good company helpdesk? One that is as good as say a BSD or Debian mailing list?

      Management types get all warm and fuzzy knowing there's a phone number that can be called for problems/questions/blame.

      I don't work for companies managed by such people. I have had arguments in job interviews because my point of view was "wrong" and the manager with the MBA was "right".

      And that is how it should be. You don't want to work for some arsehole who hires someone who is to be told how to do their jobs.

      You are describing crappy admins and crappy managers.

      One of my major clients, tends to feel "warm and fuzzy about phone numbers" for some things. Time and time again I watch them hire complete moron cowboys who claimed initially that something would be implemented for $10k in 2 weeks, and it has then gone on to creep up slowly to more than double that and taken 6 months to implement something that just does not work (although vaguely appears to for a short while).

      From names like Novell, Microsoft and CA.

      They ring up the warm and fuzzy phone numbers and get different answers each time and yet often get asked the same bloody series of questions again, the helpdesk operator gets nervous because their questions are not on his "cheat-sheets" and says, "I'll ring you back" and then never does.

      Companies are WRONG to feel warm and fuzzy about phone numbers and they are WRONG to implement such reliance all the time on outside entities for which they have practically no control over. They SHOULD be hiring a top gun of their own, paying him an absolute shitload to stay and make sure he is comfortable and happy.

      BTW, the company I referenced here, is one of the most successful law firms on Earth. I won't go into details of who they are or who their clients are, but, you know many of their big clients and their vi

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    20. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by carlivar · · Score: 1
      Can you name a good company helpdesk? One that is as good as say a BSD or Debian mailing list?

      Cisco. At least a couple years ago; I haven't dealt with them much lately. But their TAC (Technical Assistance Center) was outstanding.

      You are describing crappy admins and crappy managers.

      Precisely. I wish everyone did their jobs competently. I also wish for world peace. I don't expect either to happen any time soon.

      I don't work for companies managed by such people.

      Not everyone has that luxury.

      From names like Novell, Microsoft and CA.

      Aren't these companies all known to suck? I don't know about Novell, but certainly Microsoft and CA. You probably saw bad experiences with these companies because they are known to be lousy. I, on the other hand, have seen some quite successful projects with companies like Sun and Cisco.

      They SHOULD be hiring a top gun of their own, paying him an absolute shitload to stay and make sure he is comfortable and happy.

      I completely agree, but what SHOULD happen often doesn't. Humans in general just aren't too bright. And eventually you get sick of complaining, or searching for The Perfect Company to work for (near your house).

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    21. Re:Shorter Essential Checkpoint Administration by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Cisco. At least a couple years ago; I haven't dealt with them much lately. But their TAC (Technical Assistance Center) was outstanding.

      Fair enough.

      Precisely. I wish everyone did their jobs competently. I also wish for world peace.

      Me too. [sigh] I was looking at that pic of Earth from Mars and thinking, what the hell are we doing to ourselves and our planet. We are mostly blessed by our natural luck and yet completely cursed by ourselves.

      From names like Novell, Microsoft and CA.

      Aren't these companies all known to suck?


      I thought CA was good, until I got to deal with them. I guess I was ignorant to that. Sorry carlivar, I'm feeling a bit upset with the shitty state of the IT industry and with what people are willing to just accept.

      I, on the other hand, have seen some quite successful projects with companies like Sun and Cisco.

      Well, you've made me feel good that there might be some good left in IT. When I saw DEC die and then the top quality of companies like HP slowly disappear, I wondered if the industry would ever recover from companies like Dell.

      Watching the Alpha mostly stagnate has depressed me too. The other day I was looking at some Mathematica benchmarks and noticed the Alpha still doing well. A 1.25GHz Alpha doing almost as well as a 3GHz P4-B. A little 1GHz G4, did pretty well, looking at the machines around it.

      They SHOULD be hiring a top gun of their own, paying him an absolute shitload to stay and make sure he is comfortable and happy.

      I completely agree, but what SHOULD happen often doesn't. Humans in general just aren't too bright. And eventually you get sick of complaining, or searching for The Perfect Company to work for (near your house).


      ; )

      BTW, do you think Sun will drop the UltraSPARC in favour of AMD's (I know they are going to sell AMD64 systems), since the AMD64's are going to have massive economies of scale, 64 bit and per page security in-CPU?

      It seems to me that Sun, IBM, HP and SGI have happily competed with each other in the 64 bit workstation arena, knowing that it is a niche they can safely share, but now grannies will soon have cheap fast 64 bit desktops capable of per page security in-CPU perhaps Sun realises that it is time to get off the UltraSPARC train and get on something they probably wouldn't have been able to compete with.

      From what I've read, it seems the Apple G5's are getting accepted into the scientific 64 bit workstation arena and Sun probably sees this as a big warning sign. I personally would love to see Sun hardware (I like Sun gear) based on the AMD64's, since my favorite OS, OpenBSD, support stops at the IIi (?) in the UltraSPARC range and that is exacty the platform I want to run OpenBSD on.

      I guess the irony here is, that if Sun released specs on the III to OpenBSD, I probably would have bought a III machine new from them, but instead I bought a IIi on eBay and by the time they start selling AMD64 systems, I might not bother buying a machine from them because the biggest desire I had is now everywhere! ; )

      Peace.

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  14. Quality product. by consolidatedbord · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I must say that the Checkpoint Firewalls are excellent pieces of equipment. We use them all throughout our company's WAN. (20+ office across the whole continental United States) I think that anyone interested in a little bit more than just a Do-it-yourself firewall, or a Cisco PIX solution should definitely get this book, and research the Checkpoint.

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  15. Their firewall just melted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their firewall just melted.

    Too bad! I wanted to find what this unintelligible posting was about.

  16. this site is boring. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internal Server Error
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    Please contact the server administrator, dwelch@phoneboy.com and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.

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  17. A Checkpoint story by billh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I could go on for many pages, detailing all of the issues I've had to deal with in the last few weeks. But I've wasted enough time dealing with Checkpoint, and I don't want to waste too much time bitching about them.

    We purchased hardware and software through a reseller. My predecessor placed the order, so I came in knowing very little about what we had purchased. I was given the server and an activation code for the software.

    I activated it, and found that I was unable to download anything. We had no support contract. I sent off some nasty e-mails to the vendor, and we had an installation CD a couple of days later.

    Well, it turns out that the installation CD was old. Shouldn't be a big deal, right? Well, it was. Although we could install the software, we couldn't use any of the management tools. The Windows-based management tools, I should add. For a Linux product.

    Conference calls with Checkpoint, more nasty e-mails, we find out that our support contract was never entered. I blame this solely on the vendor, not Checkpoint. Once that went through, we were able to download the needed software from Checkpoint.

    Sounds like the problem is resolved, right? I hope so, but I won't know for a few days, as we had to reschedule a network shutdown because of this incompetence. While I blame most of this on the vendor, you have to wonder what sort of approval process the vendors have to go through to become resellers, and why Checkpoint would ever allow such idiots to resell their product.

    While I'm pointing fingers, here are some other things to think about:

    Checkpoint could easily have allowed us to download a product which we had already purchased, and is available to customers with a support contract.

    Tech support could have answered our questions very quickly, if they would have talked to us.

    They could have FAQs with this information on their web site.

    The FAQs that they do have could have been in a format that is readable from a console (everything is PDF).

    Red Hat 7.3 is the latest version of Linux they support. With a kernel that doesn't come standard.

    I admin many older Checkpoint boxes, which unfortunately run on Windows NT 4. I inherited them. After the crap I have been through dealing with Checkpoint, I am considering staying with them until I find a better solution. Why should we have to pay thousands of dollars a year just to be able to patch these things? Why are the FAQs useless? Why can't these people get a clue?

    Just FYI, I've been using Linux since before it was 1.0, and I have no problem with configuring firewalls and the like. And I also know that Cisco pulls stupid crap like this, too. Now for the fun part - I have a hell of a lot of purchasing power at a very large consulting firm, and as far as I am concerned, we are done with Checkpoint.

    You hear that, Checkpoint? Over 70,000 employees, and I can't count how many support contracts. I'm going to do what I can to make sure we never send you another dime.

    1. Re:A Checkpoint story by PugMajere · · Score: 1

      What's the name of the vendor?

    2. Re:A Checkpoint story by billh · · Score: 1

      I'm not interested in a lawsuit. But they are going to lose quite a bit of business, and it isn't all Checkpoint related. In fact, most of it isn't. Three cheers for Darwinism.

    3. Re:A Checkpoint story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you should be angry at the Vendor and not Checkpoint.

      A lot of big name software doesn't support Redhat 8 or 9. They flat out suck and broke many working features so don't be suprised (redhat that is).

      The 2 times we've had a problem with Checkpoint at 2 am, they answered our call and talked to us briefly without a 24/7 contract. I'm not doubting you had issues but it sounds more like your anger for your vendor rolled over to Checkpoint when asking for help...

      Checkpoint on Solaris 8 is rock solid. Windows? Don't even get my started. :)

    4. Re:A Checkpoint story by irregular_hero · · Score: 1

      Your experience with Checkpoint's support policies aren't all that strange -- they just recently started offering an "Enterprise Support" model that allows you to not _have_ to attach a support contract to a particular license. Made things a hell of a lot easier for us.

      One note -- the version of Redhat that they last supported _is_ 7.3, but it's far more convienient to run SecurePlatform. That's Checkpoint's own Linux distribution -- a pretty slick little toy, IMHO. It should install nicely on most modern server hardware and can be upgraded from the management software simultaneously with the firewall software upgrade packages.

      Don't discount Checkpoint as a product because the reseller is a dick. As the number of firewalls you maintain goes up, the way Checkpoint aggregates firewall policy starts to make a whole lot of sense...

      If you couldn't get the software you needed easier than that, sounds like it's time to fire a reseller. :>

    5. Re:A Checkpoint story by blorf · · Score: 1

      I used to be a CCSI on 3.x/4.x. "Phoneboy" was in my 3.x training course at Netrex, he was basically heckling (competing with?) the instructor the whole time. I thought it was quite amusing. (yes, the course, and the phoneboy).

      You think it's bad now, you should have seen the early days of FW-1, like when they first started supporting "non Sun" platforms; NT, HP/UX, AIX. I don't know if they still support those "other" *IXes, but it sounds like business as usual with their half-ass tech support.

      "NG" does not mean what you think it means.

    6. Re:A Checkpoint story by billh · · Score: 1

      SecurePlatform was an easy install. Except we were not licensed to admin the firewall. I'm sure there is an easy solution to that, but that is another issue I have with Checkpoint.

      As to your comment about not discounting Checkpoint becuase of the reseller - I had many conference calls with Checkpoint, and they were all useless. As far as I am concerned, most of the company is useless. 90% Of this problem would be solved with good FAQs on their website.

    7. Re:A Checkpoint story by skinfitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hear Hear. I've dealt with two FW-1 installations at our main site - one on Solaris and one on NT4 which were both installed by consultants before security became my job.

      I have several issues with FW-1, however the main one must surely be the crappy "support" and the "buy now, pay forever" attitude to it that many companies now adhere to, namely that no support = no software updates. Quite frankly for a firewall company to deny you patches for their product if someone discovered a vulnerability ("TEST=" in packets traversing all versions of FW-1 unblocked up until around 2 years ago anyone?) in their product is unacceptable. I mothballed the systems and moved on.

    8. Re:A Checkpoint story by irregular_hero · · Score: 1

      90% Of this problem would be solved with good FAQs on their website.

      I wholeheartedly agree with you there -- and with your point about Tech Support. Do yourself a favor, though, and find out who your region's Sales Engineer is... They can answer questions frontline support can't. Plus, for a 70,000 employee company, they would agree to sit in your front pocket and print up fresh $20 bills for you if they thought it would sell more product, trust me. :>

    9. Re:A Checkpoint story by billh · · Score: 1

      I don't care who the region's sales engineer is. Checkpoint is gone. They had their chance, they blew it. Reminds me of the ISP consolidation 6-7 years ago. They failed to realize that many of the shell customers were the decision makers at large companies.

    10. Re:A Checkpoint story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have been through the trenches as a Checkpoint consultant/integrator (certified, everything). We switched to Netscreens and started moving 10x more product.

      No need for server class hardware, no OS lameness (what? no proxy arp on that 3com nic in win2k?) or incompatibilities, and far far cheaper. (lots of people choke on the total checkpoint pricetag.) and as far as I they've got all the same features. but netscreens sport hardware accelerated encryption.

      I don't do much firewall work anymore, but I can't ever imagine recommending checkpoint again.

    11. Re:A Checkpoint story by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      Rule#1 of business is "Don't piss of your customers."

      I don't care who the region's sales engineer is. Checkpoint is gone.

      If you have to get into bed with the region's sales engineer to get the the service you need, you need to jump ship because when you really need it, he's gonna be long gone.

    12. Re:A Checkpoint story by cowbutt · · Score: 1
      ("TEST=" in packets traversing all versions of FW-1 unblocked up until around 2 years ago anyone?)

      /me doubletakes.

      Have you got any more information on that? That appears to be a serious vulnerability that I hadn't previously heard about... Securityfocus.com's vulndb doesn't seem to know about it, either.

      --

    13. Re:A Checkpoint story by PugMajere · · Score: 1

      Security software doesn't support RedHat 8 or 9 because RedHat stopped exporting the syscall table for modules (exporting it allowed modifying it, without locks, which was racy and prone to major problems if 2 different modules both tried to modify it.)

      That's probably the biggest reason why support is lacking for RedHat 8 and 9. (Of course, the security frameworks that have been provided don't seem to be in use as alternative methods. Not sure what the deal with that is.)

  18. go here by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://smoothwall.org/ rocks like none other

    1. Re:go here by Homology · · Score: 2, Insightful
      http://smoothwall.org/ rocks like none other

      PF: The OpenBSD Packet Filter shows that it is possible to have a very powerful packet filter with easily understandable and readable filter rules. Smoothwall has a following because the IPtables firewall scripts quickly becomes unreadable and hard to understand with it's sucky syntax.

    2. Re:go here by dlb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, its great -- but smoothwall doesn't address issues like high availability, or any sort of application inspection.

      Oh yeah, and how do you efficiently manage your smoothwall firewalls after you deploy 50 of them?

      It's just the same ugly packet filter with more makeup.

    3. Re:go here by Homology · · Score: 1
      Yeah, its great -- but smoothwall doesn't address issues like high availability, or any sort of application inspection.

      Oh yeah, and how do you efficiently manage your smoothwall firewalls after you deploy 50 of them?

      It's just the same ugly packet filter with more makeup.

      Smoothwall was never intended to be an enterprise type of firewall. But yes, it's still the same ugly packet filter at the bottom.

    4. Re:go here by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

      Sure, but for home, SOHO and small businesses, it's damn good and it's free...

      If you need more then by all means, do more...

  19. Plagiarism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    How dare you to copy the full content of the site without the owner's permission?

    /. doesn't encourage that kind of behavior. Please retract your post at once.


    Thank you,
    Mr Blinky

  20. Firewall-1 has its place by Chomp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Equating ipf/iptables with Firewall-1 etc is like confusing a Hertz rental truck with DHL.

    Not everyone needs Firewall-1. But as the number of firewalls you manage goes up, the management features of Firewall-1 really come into their own.

    Firewall-1 also assists in reaching the desired level of abstraction where your ruleset stops describing your network topology and starts describing your network policy.

    The difference is hard to appreciate until you have worked with both for a while.

    1. Re:Firewall-1 has its place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a man who hasn't used any iptables tools other than "vi"... ;)

  21. Checkpoint chokes on Earthstation5 traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Encrypted traffic across UDP5060 causes checkpoint to eat up all its mbufs and fall over dead. Bad news for checkpoint customers ...

    1. Re:Checkpoint chokes on Earthstation5 traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why haven't I seen this on CERT? Are you serious!?! Why hasn't this been modded up?

  22. Excellent Question!!! by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 3, Insightful
    wonder if the problems covered therein will remain on the cutting edge of firewall management.

    The answer is NO! As security techs change the way they handle threats, from the borders and internally FW config and management is currently changing rapidly. Infact CheckPoint is now offering in-line IPS. This better layerd/mesh approach to security does chage what you need to do on your borders and how you do it. Coupled with node/desktop firewalls, current stratergies will change.

    1. Re:Excellent Question!!! by Zeinfeld · · Score: 0, Troll
      I loathe Checkpoint. There VPN client is utterly absymal. Totaly and utterly crap.

      Every time the VP rekeys this stupid box blocks out half my laptop's screen for five fucking minutes and does nothing. For some reason the jerk off who designed the piece of utter shit client decided to lock that area of the screen while the client does nothing.

      Eventually the box asks me to select a certificate to log in to the VPN. Well guess what? Its the same one as I used last time the piec of turd asked the same question.

      There is a (small) justification for asking the user if they are still at the computer from time to time. But there is no excuse for interupting the user while they are doing other work with a pop up box that is not ready to receive input.

      The sooner Checkpoint goes under the better.

      --
      Looking for an Information Security student project suggestion?
      Try http://dotcrimeManifesto.com/
  23. OBSD/FBSD PF vs. Checkpoint by Bloodax · · Score: 0

    What would be the advantage of using the Checkpoint product versus using one of the BSD versions with PF?

    Comparisons of price/performance/security are the types of criteria I had in mind.

  24. Thank you for the "/."-ing of my webserver-FIRE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can send you a fire extinguisher if you like?

  25. Mostly Okay by irregular_hero · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The book is good in many areas, especially dealing with Site-to-Site VPN configuration, but is seriously lacking in other areas. Some of the things missing are:
    • High Availability of management stations
    • Coverage of Provider-1, SiteManager-1 installations and the differences between them and the traditional management method
    • More detail on Checkpoint log servers (specifically CLMs and what they can and cannot do, including where they should typically be deployed and in what sitations)
    • Handling, munging, searching, and maintaining log files for Checkpoint products (there are scads of logfiles available, and some are quite hidden)
    • Steps to take to verify proper operation of a Firewall-1 node, including performance tuning ("fw ctl pstat" and how to read it, basically)
    • Using Checkpoint State Synchronization with AND without Checkpoint Clustering, and how to troubleshoot it
    • More information about tuning and maintenance of SmartDefense (the IPS features of Firewall-1) paying attention to "protocol gotchas" that can be eliminated through altering its configuration
    • A tutorial for the new Checkpoint administrator about all the different types of licenses with which one can and will deploy as part of a standard installation
    • The mentions of SecureRemote (the Client-to-LAN VPN built in to Checkpoint Firewall-1) are lacking in many respects -- for example, there is little mention of Secure Configuration Verification, Visitor Mode/Office Mode, IP address assignment mechanisms (there are many), etc.
    • More detail in the following areas: CIFS blocking, Exchange/Windows RPC custom handling, integration with URL filtering via UFP, differences between the FTP/FTP_BASIC methods, etc.
    Of course, I suppose 80% of the administrators that would buy this book don't care one bit about these details if they're only running a couple of standalone Firewall-1 boxes. The funny thing, though, about companies that buy a product as expensive as Checkpoint Firewall-1 is that they tend to expand their investment in the product fairly rapidly -- if they buy enough of it up front to be a serious investment. For those administrators, it's the type of information like the above that is really missing. What's a shame is that it's also generally missing in Checkpoint's own documentation. :>
  26. Firewall-1 Security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firewall-1 and Cisco PIX boxes are two of the worst firewalls in terms of security that you could ever purchase. Who the hell buys these things? Why would you buy a product from a company that has to continually supply security updates for their buggy products? Get a decent firewall and be done with it... unfortunately the decent firewalls don't have a big name like Cisco or Checkpoint behind them, but they are the most secure.

    1. Re:Firewall-1 Security? by Sjobeck · · Score: 0

      Please keep your GPL religion in check when posting pure non-sense like this. Every person on the planet would agree that there is a place that is appropriate for open source software & commercial software, they both have strengths & weeknesses. You brush this aside with the simplicity & ignorance of thought of a child. Are you really saying that the 1.5 million businesses that run PIX every single minute of the year are unhappy with them? Please.

  27. Buy the book!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of simply saying "My site's been slashdotted! Please check back later." you should also say "Oh, yeah btw, please buy my book!" and get some free advertisement from the ordeal.

  28. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    > One has to wonder how many check point firewalls could be
    > reaplced with a freebsd box, two nics, and ipfw with dummynet.

    Probably a lot of them, if you were willing to dedicate an administrator per firewall to configure, monitor, and maintain it. That person would need to go through a bunch of Unix/BSD training beforehand. And, if that person ever left that job, you would need to replicate that process.

    The key to commercial firewalls, like Netscreen and Check Point, is the easy graphical interface to manage it.. And, the management structure: you define a policy for your network, and click a button to push it out to all the firewalls. So, one person can realistically manage dozens of firewalls. The logging/reporting tools also ease the job of monitoring the ongoing state of your firewalls.

    So, it's worth spending the money if A) The firewall is just one of the many tasks you're responsible for; or B) You have a big network with many firewalls and need to manage them with a small group of people.

  29. Re:Buy the book!!!! by phoneboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Too bad I can't post and moderate in the same thread, or I'd mod this up as "insightful."

    -- PhoneBoy

    --
    The views expressed herein are not necessarily those of anyone, including the poster.
  30. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your reply was very well taken.

    Maybe I am old fashioned but I assume one unix admin can
    automate many of his tasks. Would one main workstation using ssh "ipfw command" with ssh keys be any less secure then checkpoint's system? I could see changing 20 firewall configs without rebooting them in 15 minutes using a well thought out and properly ordered script.

    I can and do manage many firewalls. Do you not realize how many customers have a freebsd natd box hidden away on a shelf? It also does so many other things too. It is just as important to them as any checkpoint stand alone firewall protecting 1,000 machines. Almost the same needs!

    So call me jaded then.

  31. Checkpoint, but Wow Phoneboy by marienf · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm a CCSA.. I used to come into daily contact with CheckPoint NG.. Can't say I really enjoyed the experience. And the doc.. I really hated it..
    "PhoneBoy" was our light in the dark and only good source of info indeed. So:

    - If you don't have CP, don't buy it. If only because Israeli security software named "Checkpoint" is rather cynical given the way they treat Palestinians.. also because technically it's a monstrum.

    but..

    - If you *do* have CP: buy *any* and all new books PhoneBoy publishes on the subject! I mean it. doing so will save you much pain, an give you the real answers. Phoneboy is one of the few people around to understand CP totally, and to have access to the inside info, plus a lot of admin feedback. Plus no-nonsense and very professional attitude.

  32. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Grave_Rose · · Score: 2, Informative

    I work for Nokia Support (Same company, different building than phoneboy) and you would be surprised at the amount of people who use these features.

    Replacing them with just a box and a few NIC's is a lot different than having a full fledged router in place with Checkpoint loaded on it. Once you've tried both, you'll know what I mean...

    --Gr@ve_Rose

    --
    !ekoj on si aixelsyD
  33. Re:Buy the book!!!! by Mantorp · · Score: 1

    Too bad it was posted by an AC or you could have rewarded the poster with a percentage of today's sales. If you send it to me instead I'll try to figure out who wrote it.

  34. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Replacing them with just a box and a few NIC's is a lot different than having a full fledged router in place with Checkpoint loaded on it.

    I could use http://www.quagga.net/ and make it more router like. Seriously though, in the year 2004 one can do so much with FreeBSD. I just used a multipath kernel patch in one temp project.

    I wonder how deep you truly look at alternatives. I bet half those products are bsd code. JunOS at least brags about it.

    have a bad day

  35. A NT windows story. Was. Re:A Checkpoint story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ahh checkpoint on Windows. Bad, bad, very bad. No wonder you have to call for support. Use Solaris and relax.

  36. Oy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The company I used to work for used multiple CheckPoint FW-1 firewalls, which eventually I happened to administer (the version previous to NG).

    Unfortunately, mgmnt decided to run them on NT 4 Server instead of Solaris or even Linux (this is from 2000 - 2002). (CheckPoint was originally a Solaris product ported to Linux and eventually Windows).

    It sucked HARD on NT - in particular because NT 4 had no native ability to limit file size, and the Checkpoint logs grew exponentially if you happened to be a few connections over your licence limit. If the hard drive volume filled up, you couldn't make any firewall config changes, so you had to stop the services, clear out the log file, restart the services, and you were good.

    Also, FloodGate-1 (their traffic-shaping product) didn't work worth a darn on NT either. It was supposed to, the logs said it was running, but it didn't do a darn thing on one firewall, but would work perfectly on a different firewall server in the EXACT SAME CONFIG!! (we had checkpoint support try and help us with this, they couldn't figure it out either)

    Mgmnt wouldn't consider even moving to Linux, as I was the only back-end admin with ANY experience with it - even though you spend 90% of your time in the GUI. CheckPoint has even come out with a one-disk "hardened" solution that runs on Linux called SecurePlatform - couldn't be easier.

    I haven't had much experience with NG - when I left after the company went bust we had one NG firewall in the mix running on Win2k server. Supposedly they had cleaned up a bunch of the issues that were present in the previous version (and you can limit file size natively on Win2k!! Yay!!)

    Anyway, thanks for the rant :)

  37. I dumped CP for iptables. by caluml · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I ripped out the Checkpoint f/w on Solaris where I am, and replaced it with some carefully crafted iptables scripts on an Gentoo+grsec x86 box. People immediately noticed it was more responsive. Oh, and no stupid 100 client licence restriction.
    The shitty documentation didn't help Checkpoint. And the remote admin tools were pants too.

    1. Re:I dumped CP for iptables. by darilon · · Score: 1

      Another nice tool is ipkungfu - decent tool for home networking and small businesses. For those that say you need a behemoth product to run larger businesses - hire a decent admin who understands bash scripting and whatever ip filtering script supported on his OS of choice - a *bsd is a good choice if only for security by obscurity.

  38. Nice review by Mondorescue · · Score: 2, Funny

    Domo origato, Mr Lodato.

  39. write your own book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After working with them for six years
    you should be able to write your own
    book.

  40. An oasis for someone drowning in the sea of...? by greppling · · Score: 2, Informative
    Lesson 1: If you really feel like putting two metaphors into one sentence, check for a moment whether the result might sound like utter non-sense.

    Sincerely, /. style nazi

  41. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    Unless that box is a Sun Ultra (1/2/5/10/30/60) loaded with QFE's, fiber interfaces, wireless via pcmcia, gigabit, or whatever sbus/pci interface can be stuck in them. Boxes that dont have to put cpu power to licensing, but to routing, blocking, layer2/3 data, and other more valuable things than revenue maintenance. W^X execute protection built in to the CPU, something non trivial. Also, some of those boxes can be filled with enough memory to deal with high loads.

    Sorry Checkpoint, but some machines are good enough to compete.

    --
    "Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
  42. Why is this book being reviewed anyway? by kellman · · Score: 1

    This is a proprietary product, why is it being reviewed on Slashdot? I read a good book on Active Directory, can I post my review?

    Sigh...

    --
    I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed...
  43. nothing like free advertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not too mention he takes his site down and tells us all to go buy his book.
    what a loser using the power of /. to try and make a buck.

  44. Get a real firewall! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this checkpoint crap? Put some hair on your chest and go buy a Cisco PIX.

    It's the only firewall worth buying.

    I work for a major healthcare corporation. We have lan-to-lan tunnels with all of our clients because of HIPPA regulations. The customers who buy checkpoint firewalls end up eventually buying a Cisco PIX because checkpoint can't keep a tunnel up and running worth a damn.

    1. Re:Get a real firewall! by DJBigShow · · Score: 1

      Wow, really? I work for a company in the high end firewall/vpn market, and all I hear from new customers is how bad their ex-Cisco PIX firewall did. Maybe it's because I'm on the higher end, but the complaints ranged from poor management capabilities and low throughput/conns a second limits to how small of a DoS attack could bring it down. This is all second hand knowledge, as I've never used a PIX personally.

      The company I work for first built a stateful iptables based firewall with TCP/UDP session offload, allowing for line rate speeds of 2 Gb/s bi-directional throughput (1.6 GB/s @ 64 byte packets). Our goal was to use as much open source as possible, as well as supply as much back to the community as possible. However, the higher end market isn't/wasn't accepting the iptables firewall, so we are now also a Check Point platform that kicks butt. The nice thing about this platform, is we aren't limited to just accelerating a firewall/vpn application, but IDS too (i.e. SNORT) at 2 Gb/s line rate. Ok, now I find myself starting to brag, so I'll go away now...

  45. Lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Too bad it was posted by an AC or you could have rewarded the poster with a percentage of today's sales. If you send it to me instead I'll try to figure out who wrote it.

    I'll bet you would!!!!! LoL!!!!!

    Actually I was at work and always have to post from there as AC, lest I incur the wrath of my boss in case he sees my Nickname attached to a /. posting during work hours... and he has been known to search for /. posts I've made, what a sorry bastard, eh?

    I have no need for monetary reward, but the extra karma from getting modded up might have helped me get some mod point myself a lttle sooner... and I wished I had some today :-/

    BTW, I know nothing of FW-1 and would have little use for the book myself... since I usually roll my own firewalls with SuSEfirewall2 and raw iptables scripts, and I also run a Cisco PIX too.

    Oh and if you don't believe I'm the original poster of the suggestion, if you do have a way of looking up who made an AC post (which I doubt, cuz /. sez they do not keep any logs) you'll find that the browser that posted it was Moz Firefox 0.8 and it came from ip addr 65.xx.xxx.20 (the xxx's just to keep you curious :-) but the first and last octets will convince someone who has the access logs of /.'s webserver).

  46. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by DJBigShow · · Score: 1

    Some machines might be good enough to compete with Check Point running on a typical PC or low end appliance, but the throughput and performance of Check Point completely depends on the platform you choose to run it on, and there are many options out there other then just standard PC hardware. An example would be the Nokia platforms or, for really high end, the Bivio platform which does 80% line rate of even 64 byte packets. I'd like to see a PC (Sun or other) pull this one off.

  47. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Comen · · Score: 1

    Checkpoint not only has one of the best Firewall GUIs ever, it had the best log veiwer I have ever seen on a firewall, sorting stuff fast to watch live events that are getting droped or accepted are a huge time saver for trouble shooting fw problems.
    Also I am currently running checkpoint NG with AI and ClusterXL on 2 Linux fround ends with fiber GIG-E cards in them. They run either in a load-balenced setup or HA.
    VPN is easy to setup and very standard, much better that it used to be.
    There is actully tons of things I bet a Checkpoint Firewall can do that your current home firewall can not. ISP redundency was addedd recently.
    You can run it on Nokia hardware, Linux, Solaris, Checkpoints own OS called (Secure Platform), belive there is some other hardware out there you can this on also.

    Also I think I talked to Phoneboy once, a long time ago, back when I was running 3.0 or something. It was through a reseller I was using or something, he had pointed me at the time to his website, I have to say it hellped alot, and I have used it ever since, and his mailing list daily. so I should give a thinks to him.

  48. Anyone care to comment on... by curious.corn · · Score: 1

    fwbuilder? I think it's a smart product but still, I've never played with "enterprise" stuff. Anyway, I do get the feeling that the program is geared towards managing large arrays of machines inside a single interface.

    --
    Mi domando chi à il mandante di tutte le cazzate che faccio - Altan
  49. Phoneboy by stor · · Score: 1

    Anyone who has ever had to manage a CheckPoint box for a period of time knows about Phoneboy.

    Stors spews forth:
    - Check out phoneboy's stuff for details on FTP configuration. You used to write/patch in some custom inspect to get it to work right in some configurations. i.e. the Policy Editor is not enough.
    - During testing, tcpdump/ethereal are your friends. Also if you're new to all this and you're doing static translations, you might need to get used to futzing with the translations configuration stuff (src->dst xlate/don't xlate stuff)
    - If you've got it on a Solaris box, you ought to harden Solaris' TCP options in the kernel. This is documented... Google for hardening solaris.
    - If you've got one of those qfe cards and it's plugged into a Cisco switch (there may be other cards/switches that exhibit this behaviour) you may need to force the speed and duplex (on both devices), otherwise they can go into an autonegotiating frenzy intermittently.

    Cheers
    Stor

    --
    "Yeah well there's a lot of stuff that should be, but isn't"
  50. Yuck by bucketoftruth · · Score: 1

    Ugh, checkpoint. Gag me with a spoon. I'd rather use a cisco pix.

  51. My take on CP by scubacuda · · Score: 1
    I'm certified on CheckPoint's NG. I used to work for a rather well-known security integrator in San Diego that sold CheckPoint solutions.

    When I'd peddle CheckPoint, several of our clients would just laugh and say, "For that price, I'll buy hardware and load OpenBSD's pf." Can't say I blamed them.

    There are times, however, in which CheckPoint can really make your life easier. For example, youc can easily (for better or worse) push a policy to multiple endpoints. The graphical logs are cool also.

    Sales reps (may) try to sell you on the seemless failover crap. Bottom line: lots of hoops, and I don't know that it's any easier than PIX's failover solution.

    1. Re:My take on CP by Shanep · · Score: 1

      Sales reps (may) try to sell you on the seemless failover crap. Bottom line: lots of hoops, and I don't know that it's any easier than PIX's failover solution.

      OpenBSD, PF, pfsync and carp.

      Don't know whether it is easier or not, but it's bound to be cheaper. Especially if you read the doco and understand it.

      OpenBSD does not need sales reps. It gets by on merit alone. So why not go check out why this is!

      --
      War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
  52. Bleh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Checkpoint is teh sux. Here's why.

  53. My beefs with Checkpoint by harikiri · · Score: 1
    My day job is managing firewalls, specifically Checkpoint FW-1 NG on IPSO. Here's my impressions:

    • Upgrade cycle: Too short. We've taken a year to migrate all our firewalls to FP3/Provider-1 from a combination of 4.1 and FP1/FP2. Now we are being pushed to move to AI. Checkpoints firewall rule migration "tools" to move to Provider-1 were self-admittedly broken, and we ended up hiring a temp to do the mind-numbing job of copying and pasting hundreds of objects and nat rules across!

    • The GUI (smartdashboard/smartviewer): Needs a redesign. A common request for me is, "please tell me what hosts are in the group 'x' ". So, in order to complete such a request, I have to open up the group to see what "node objects" are members of the group, then I have to manually look-up each of the nodes to identify their IP. There is no way to drill down any deeper.

      Another issue is the lack of being able to copy/paste a rule across to a policy editor for another management station/CMA. At present you can skip this if you have Provider-1 installed (put the rule into a global rule - or define the hosts/groups/services globally to speed things up).

      The log viewer also has a MAJOR MAJOR issue, which is that it doesn't have the ability to display/log the three-way handshake for TCP connections. So for example, someone has a connectivity issue, we look into the firewall and see that the connection has been "accepted". All this shows is that the initial SYN packet was received on one of the firewall interfaces, checked against the ruleset, and allowed. But the problem still exists. We have no idea whether the remote host responded, whether we routed out the wrong interface, or whether the syn-ack response got lost somewhere. So we always have to check to see 1) is it hitting a rule and being allowed, 2) log onto the master firewall (we use VRRP), and perform a tcpdump on the appropriate interfaces. Multiple steps for something which should be being answered by the log viewer!

    • Licensing: The amount of manhours dealing with licensing for checkpoint firewalls is a bloody pain in the arse. Who wants to spend 2 hours trying to figure out why a license "expires" for no known reason, and trying to navigate through both Provider-1's obtuse license manager and checkpoints online site to find something valid just to get a firewall up and running again. GRRRRR.

    I agree checkpoint is a useful tool for an enterprise network security framework, but sometimes it causes much more headaches than it is worth. If you're investigating implementing a new firewall infrastructure, explore multiple vendors and don't be overwhelmed by the marketing...

    --
    Man watching 6 MSCE's around a sun box, looks alot like the opening scene's of 2001:space odyssey...
  54. This book is needed by so many out there.. by cat5 · · Score: 1

    Well, as a current CCSE+ certified engineer,
    you do need to make sure you have a support contract, and companies like Nokia are perfect.
    (I'm tooting my own horn, since anyone who deals with Nokia support directly in the States and Canada, will have spoken with me at least once)

    There are lots of good resellers out there to help implement the solutions that Checkpoint provides, and there are others out there I would like to squash and remove their access contracts, but I just work there.

    Everyone who complains about Checkpoint, always complains about the patches and the downtime and the configurations, but lots of time would be saved if people would get this book, and get some proper training and support in place.

    On a side note, I have heard from many people who have support contracts with Checkpoint directly, and my own company for the hardware/software, and they always seem to say that Checkpoint support sucks until you get to their Bench support group, or talk to a Nokia support rep :)

    1. Re:This book is needed by so many out there.. by kingsqueak · · Score: 1

      I agree with this. I deploy whenever I have the choice, Checkpoint on Nokia. The reason is that I never make that recommendation without also pushing towards Nokia as the single source support contract.

      The latest versions of Checkpoint _finally_ have a logical GUI, it's actually quite remarkable. Addresses the age-old monster problem of finding out host->group->hosts relations. Trust me here, I spent literally months of time doing analysis of legacy Checkpoint installs to clean up and optimize rulesets and it was torture with the old releases.

      Many times I deploy a solution and the client doesn't have the vision to realize it will require a dedicated staff to manage. This isn't a small office environment I refer to, these are networks with many tens of thousands of users on them. What happens most often is that I get a call four to six months later to come bail them out of their now unmaintained legacy. Keeps food on the table but it's so unnecessary.

      The reason I lean towards Checkpoint/Nokia is ease of use. On spec alone they aren't the top dog, but for versatility and ease of use by what are often just LAN admins with no security background, the combination rules. As long as the site maintains patch level and keeps change control over the policy, they will have year-long uptimes with no problem.

      When you toss IDS into the picture it's even messier. I'm baffled as to why the clients never seem to understand the need for staffing. They all seem to know they 'need' firewalls and IDS/HIDS but never plan for, nor admit the need for the staff to maintain the installations. What good is any of this information gathering without someone to interpret it? The riddle of the decade.

      If you need Checkpoint, you also need support contracts and staff to manage the environment.

      As for Cisco... I recently had the misfortune of deploying an entirely Cisco architecture, using PIX, IDS, their VPN concentrators, their web cache, switches and routers. They have good points, however when you realize that each product needs its own dedicated Windows box for management, with software that is nearly impossible to get installed and functioning stably...the whole picture falls apart. If Cisco would get their act together to integrate all of their product base into an actually robust CSPM or whatever they call it, they might actually be doing something.

  55. Re:do checkpoint customers even use the fancy feat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I call B.S. on the whole damn post. An administrator per firewall? Are you on crack? If you do this you will quickly rack up a huge bandwidth bill due to your hundreds of new admins playing UT2k4 because they're bored out of their minds. A single *nix admin worth his salary should be able to handle, at a minimum, 20 servers. 20 is _very_ low.

    The funny thing about *nix admins are that they script things very well. In fact, they do this scripting thing so well they generally spend about a half an hour a day reviewing log files that are sent to them via email because they have scripted the process so well, and because a proper *nix should not need tending to.

    The real key to commercial firewalls are corporate policy. It is unacceptable in many corporations to allow a single or handful of highly trained administrators to construct their own firewall rulesets out of simple fear. E.g. "what if our BOFH is having a bad day and reroutes all www traffic to goatse.cx?" or "if we piss our admin off and he simply quits, we would have to hire another admin who can work with such-and-such platform. such-and-such platform has no certifications so how can we determine a potential-admin's qualifications?"

    A Linux, Solaris, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, AIX, HP-UX, etc, etc box can quite easily defend your borders from threats both internal and external and enforce company policy using standard tools which, suprise, allow extensive logging and are fully configurable. Administering a large number of individual machines is very easy and perfectly normal to your average competent admin. Think shell/perl/python/tcl scripting + ssh/stunnell. If the admin can't script he/she doesn't need to be an admin of multiple systems.

    By the way, if anyone is in need of these skills, get ahold of me. My personal machine responds at illinois.dyndns.org and I'm bja.