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End of Online Anonymity in Canada?

boochy writes "Are we close to losing our anonymity online in Canada? As Angela Pacienza writes in a National Post article; "The record industry's attempts to sue people who share music online threaten to change the widely held expectation that everyone's anonymous when surfing the Internet, lawyers representing the public interest argued Monday." This is a very interesting article that shows how much the lawyers representing the Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic are trying their best to protect our privacy online."

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  1. Uh.. by hookedup · · Score: 5, Funny

    What? End of my anonymity? But I just paid $199 for my computer to stop broadcasting an ip address!

  2. ObJoke by grahamlee · · Score: 5, Funny
    Are we close to loosing our anonymity online in Canada?

    They're letting anonymous Canadians loose? RUN TO THE HILLS!! "But they're coming from the hills" Run AWAY from the hills! If you see a hill, run in the other direction!

  3. Aha! by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Loosing?! Oh..."losing"...

    No. We're not losing our anonymity. We never had it. Your email shows up on mail servers everywhere. Your IP is logged. You can be found.

    There's a big difference between actual anonymity and perceived anonymity. The public thinks they're anonymous. The realization that they are not (through education or through lawsuits of these sorts) will lead to increased awareness and eventually smarter users.

    Maybe I'm just optimistic.

  4. New law? by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    How does this fit in with Canada's new privacy law that came into effect January 1st? Is this a legitimate business purpose?

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    1. Re:New law? by farbles · · Score: 5, Informative

      I run an ISP in Canada and PIPEDA, the Cdn govt privacy act, applies to private concerns as of January 1, 2004. Our legal advice, from a major law firm partner specializing in PIPEDA law, was that user IP addresses are considered to be personal information and logs containing them should be deleted every month. All companies needed to appoint a Privacy Officer to deal with PIPEDA complaints. Any user can come to us, request everything we have on them and their usage and they can correct any wrong information or ask us to delete it. According to PIPEDA, an individual's personal information is their property.

      In Canada, this is the law.

  5. 2 issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I actually see 2 different issues here. First, should a person's activities online be traceable? Yes - after due process. We all would love to see spammers caught, etc. However, the other issue is the record company's suit. Should they be suing? Well, the fact that I think they are greedy, stupid, outdated fools doesn't change the fact that they currently have a legal right to do so, I suppose. But here's to hoping they get some reasonable limits set on them soon (say real due process, reasonable limits to how much they can sue for, etc).

  6. Trawling for infringement with minimum effort by Bushcat · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Perhaps one problem is that automated system tools that masquerade as supernodes or similar on P2P networks distort the cost/benefit ratio of enforcement, in that it's becoming feasible to go after small-time infringers just as easily as the large-scale infringers. If one regards this as making it easy to prosecute the vulnerable, then it's a problem in that, traditionally, one would go after the targets causing the most harm, because it takes time and effort. Now, one can go after anyone simply because it has good media value, or because one knows the target can't defend itself in any meaningful manner.

    Rule by corporate law(yer) is quite a scary concept. The reward for a successful prosecution becomes to easy to attain.

  7. hope CRIA loses so they cant hassle the innocent by onebitcpu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Over 90% of blocked activity at my firewall is probes from kazaa, gnutella etc looking for the last computer with that IP, who was filesharing. Last thing I want is to get hassled for running software I dont have installed because I got some other guy's IP. (the other 10% was mostly nimda and code red - yay microsuck)

  8. The KEY factor is WHO is behind the keyboard? by StandardCell · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the exact defense one individual I know used when he was accused of breaking into a rural school's computer system about ten years ago. Though this was a criminal charge (and the burden of proof substantially higher), he was easily acquitted because the prosecutor couldn't show that it was him specifically who was breaking into the computer systems.

    In like manner, however, I suspect that the house of cards of the recording industry will just as easily fall apart with these civil suits in Canada. If I stupidly misconfigured my wireless or wired router to allow people to essentially walk in, they could easily breach computer security and use my computer to download all manner of goodies. Given what the AVERAGE computer user is (and you all know what the average user is like...), this is more than a plausible defense.

  9. We haven't lost anything yet... or have we already by Mr.Fork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If your subscribed to one of Western Canada's largest Internet service subscribers (Telus), you've already lost your 'anonymous' status. Telus sells your info to marketing companies - you got to opt out manually by calling thier privacy line.

    Don't worry, it's just your mailing address, name, and your phone number. Telus swears they're not selling your email address but I wonder how much longer before they start to use that as a cashable asset?

    At issue here is whether or not the music industry is allowed to snoop on your home PC's. Where's the search warrant I ask?

    Point 1. Canada's law on privacy (FOIP) may protect us from RIAA anyways. New rules and guidelines came in effect on January 1st. It basically allows us to operate with business without reprocussions of invasion of privacy.

    Point 2. Canada is already collecting a tarrif on CD's sold in Canada to go towards musicians from sales lost from online music sharing(even though most have never seen a red cent). If I'm already paying tarrifs on CD's to protect the music industry, do I not have a legal right to copy and download music I want?

    Point 3. CD's were suppose to promise cheaper albums when first introducts in the 80's. Cost of production of an LP vs a CD is around 95% less. Where's my savings RIAA? Most albums still go for $15-20 dollars. Where's my promised $7 new albums?

    Last Point. The last time the music industry shut down Napster, music sales plumeted 10%. Does file and music sharing spawn interest in CD's? What about albums or CD's I can no longer buy but the music is available P2P? Doesn't RIAA realise that they should be embracing this as an opportunity to change how music is sold? I mean, it's not like artists make money on albums anyways. Who's really behind this push?

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  10. Re:Ha ha! by Dwarfgoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Untraceable to a degree.

    As far as network logs go, the buck stops there. However, from that point is where a suitably motivated investigator begins collecting other intelligence. Be it it tapes from CCTV cameras, or just asking questions of employees and other patrons. You'd be amazed at how much information casual observers in such a situation will remember, and be able to provide an investigator.

    Human intelligence is often the critical piece of info needed to pinch someone who has otherwise covered their tracks well.

    For truly anonymous internet, find yourself a hotspot and a nice dark corner in which to hide (or alley to park in while wardriving). Oh, and spoof your MAC address as well, just to make it that much harder to pin it to your machine.

    Cheers

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