Posted by
michael
on from the now-better-splash-screens dept.
d3vi1 writes "Pango, Glib & GTK 2.4.0 have been released to the public. See gtk.org in general, or specifically: the announcements for pango, glib and gtk."
Until this makes it into the win32 version of the GIMP? Or will this make any difference?
Re:How long?
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Anonymous Coward
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I wouldn't expect it to make much difference the GIMP developers are pretty careful about what features they use and I'm pretty sure the Linux version doesn't even depend on GTK2.2 yet
To be honest, I believe GTK will start get much better within the win32 platform. The gnumeric guys are trying to port the spreadsheet, and they'll probably give a push to GTK developers.
Just in time for...
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bonch
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They have been using the new file selector in the Fedora Core 2 test1 release, which was supposed to freeze today for the test2 release. Very nice. Hopefully this means GNOME 2.6 will stabilize and be release in time to include them both in Fedora Core 2.
Re:Separate windows are fine
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Abcd1234
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Yeah, it's called turning on the feature in your panel that collects all the window buttons for a given app into a single button with a menu. Now quit trolling and move on. This issue has been beaten to death over and over and over and...
GTK+ has been designed from the ground up to support a range of languages, not only C/C++. Using GTK+ from languages such as Perl and Python (especially in combination with the
Glade GUI builder) provides an effective method of rapid application development.
How is Glade2 development coming along in terms of supporting Gtk2 2.4? I visited their website and there doesn't seem to be any mention of it.
Re:So..
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Anonymous Coward
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me too. i had to make two separate sets of entries in XF86Config... one set to use my tablet as a mouse, the others to use it as a tablet in gimp. but once that configuration hell was over, it's only locked up once in many months. of course it shouldn't freeze at all:)
Re:New File Dialog
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macshit
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My god.
Please tell me that isn't really the `new file selector'.
The old selector was pretty basic, but also pretty straight-forward, and super-fast to use with the keyboard because of the great completion functionality.
This new dialog is not only much more confusing looking, but seems bloated, rather ugly, and doesn't have the text entry box -- i.e, they removed the one great feature they used to have!
I know they're attempting to appeal to inexperienced users, but they always seem to (1) do so in a way that pisses off experienced users, and (2) botch things up in the inexperienced-user case anyway.
Hopefully someone will come up with a less crappy file-selector and all the major distros (at least debian) will use it.
-- We live, as we dream -- alone....
Re:New File Dialog
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Coryoth
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Hmmm, comparing KDE with GTK I would have to say mostly it follows the usual difference between GNOME and KDE that has been apparent in the last year or two: GNOME has focussed on a slimmed down, simplified model with emphasis on clean and simple, while KDE has focussed on providing options.
To be honest, however, from what I've gathered the GNOME people have been far more influenced by Apple than KDE.
And finally - when you come down to it, it's a file selector, there;s not a whole lot innovative you can do with it. The KDE file selector doesn't look overly different from the Windows one, so really, is it any surprise that GNOME follows a vaguely similar line?
Re:Separate windows are fine
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jonadab
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> The real question is: why are the standard window managers for GNOME and > KDE (metacity and kwin) not implementing something like this
Not sure about kwin, but the official metacity project slogan is "no features" (apparently). A lot of Gnome users swap it out for a different window manager such as sawfish or Enlightenment. Fortunately, the architecture of Gnome makes this possible (though the wm in question has to support certain Gnome things to get everything working properly (e.g., the panel task list, having certain panels be avoided by maximize, and so on), which does limit exactly which window managers you can choose; you can _theoretically_ choose any wm, but if you choose one that doesn't support Gnome stuff won't work; sawfish and Enlightenment are the major alternatives that handle Gnome stuff right, that I know about; there may be one or two others).
-- Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Re:New File Dialog
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prockcore
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libgnomeui now provides a gnome-vfs backend for GtkFileChooser so that it has the same view of remote filesystems as applications such Nautilus
That rules, and it's about time. This means you can say file open, and then select a smb:// share
A while ago I was working on a gnome-vfs module that added support for itunes shares. This would mean that you could use xmms (assuming it ever gets updated for 2.0) and browse and play songs shared in itunes.
Now I think I've got some incentive to finish that module.
I thought the same thing about Linux font rendering until I installed Microsoft's core fonts and a TrueType font server on my Linux box (apt-get install msttcorefonts xfsttright now if you're running Debian). The font rendering in Linux is absolutely fine, it's just the shortage of good manually-hinted fonts that makes things look awful. Anti-aliasing is not the solution - GTK+1.2 looks better than GTK+2 with decent fonts installed, because the fonts have nice sharp outlines.
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Until this makes it into the win32 version of the GIMP? Or will this make any difference?
...Gnome 2.6, due out March 22nd.
They have been using the new file selector in the Fedora Core 2 test1 release, which was supposed to freeze today for the test2 release. Very nice. Hopefully this means GNOME 2.6 will stabilize and be release in time to include them both in Fedora Core 2.
Yeah, it's called turning on the feature in your panel that collects all the window buttons for a given app into a single button with a menu. Now quit trolling and move on. This issue has been beaten to death over and over and over and...
I *pray* they didnt break anything big again. 2.1 was hell, 2.2 wasnt bad, 2.3 was annoying.
[karma burn]
What exactly was wrong with libc5 that glib had to come along and fark up things anyway?
[/karma burn]
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How is Glade2 development coming along in terms of supporting Gtk2 2.4? I visited their website and there doesn't seem to be any mention of it.
me too. i had to make two separate sets of entries in XF86Config... one set to use my tablet as a mouse, the others to use it as a tablet in gimp. but once that configuration hell was over, it's only locked up once in many months. of course it shouldn't freeze at all :)
My god.
Please tell me that isn't really the `new file selector'.
The old selector was pretty basic, but also pretty straight-forward, and super-fast to use with the keyboard because of the great completion functionality.
This new dialog is not only much more confusing looking, but seems bloated, rather ugly, and doesn't have the text entry box -- i.e, they removed the one great feature they used to have!
I know they're attempting to appeal to inexperienced users, but they always seem to (1) do so in a way that pisses off experienced users, and (2) botch things up in the inexperienced-user case anyway.
Hopefully someone will come up with a less crappy file-selector and all the major distros (at least debian) will use it.
We live, as we dream -- alone....
To be honest, however, from what I've gathered the GNOME people have been far more influenced by Apple than KDE.
And finally - when you come down to it, it's a file selector, there;s not a whole lot innovative you can do with it. The KDE file selector doesn't look overly different from the Windows one, so really, is it any surprise that GNOME follows a vaguely similar line?
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> The real question is: why are the standard window managers for GNOME and
> KDE (metacity and kwin) not implementing something like this
Not sure about kwin, but the official metacity project slogan is "no features"
(apparently). A lot of Gnome users swap it out for a different window manager
such as sawfish or Enlightenment. Fortunately, the architecture of Gnome makes
this possible (though the wm in question has to support certain Gnome things
to get everything working properly (e.g., the panel task list, having certain
panels be avoided by maximize, and so on), which does limit exactly which
window managers you can choose; you can _theoretically_ choose any wm, but
if you choose one that doesn't support Gnome stuff won't work; sawfish and
Enlightenment are the major alternatives that handle Gnome stuff right, that
I know about; there may be one or two others).
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
libgnomeui now provides a gnome-vfs backend for GtkFileChooser so that it has the same view of remote filesystems as applications such Nautilus
That rules, and it's about time. This means you can say file open, and then select a smb:// share
A while ago I was working on a gnome-vfs module that added support for itunes shares. This would mean that you could use xmms (assuming it ever gets updated for 2.0) and browse and play songs shared in itunes.
Now I think I've got some incentive to finish that module.
I thought the same thing about Linux font rendering until I installed Microsoft's core fonts and a TrueType font server on my Linux box (apt-get install msttcorefonts xfstt right now if you're running Debian). The font rendering in Linux is absolutely fine, it's just the shortage of good manually-hinted fonts that makes things look awful. Anti-aliasing is not the solution - GTK+1.2 looks better than GTK+2 with decent fonts installed, because the fonts have nice sharp outlines.