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Small Change, and Other Physics Fun

fishy jew writes "Ever want an easy way to make your 'small change' even smaller? Well, Bert Hickman has it - mix a home-brewed machine, 6.5 kiloJoules, and 100,000 Amps of current! On his website, he has descriptions and pictures of his many exploits with large quantities of electricity, notably including shrinking coins, building a Tesla coil, creating Lichtenberg figures (chaotic sculpture), and more! He has extensively outlined the equipment, procedure, and results for each of his experiments, and included many pretty pictures, too. Here are Google caches for when the site gets /.'ed: Main Page, Shrinking Coins, Tesla Coil, and Lichtenberg Figures."

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  1. I own one of these coins... very cool by Punchinello · · Score: 4, Informative
    I bought a shrunken Sacagawea Dollar from this site in May, 2003 (around the same time my Slashdot story submission about the site was rejected). The coin is truly amazing to look at and a hit at parties. The details of Sacagawea and the Eagle are perfect, only smaller (although the coin itself has a bit of an uneven surface caused by the rapid shrinking process). I'm happy to see the site finally get the news for nerds treatment it deserves.

    There is a cool Popular Science article for more information.

    Now go buy some coins to fund Bert's efforts!

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    1. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by ThomasFlip · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should name these coins after George Bushes fiscal advisors.

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    2. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yea I was going to submit it, but all my submissions get cancelled because I suck so I didn't even bother :)

      For those who now can't get to the site: These coins are "shrunken" by being placed inside a wooden dowel, the dowel is then wrapped with electrical wire, and a ton of electricity is then discharged into the coil -- the resulting magnetic field deforms the coin (shrinks usually, but not always!), and causes the entire apparatus to explode :) Small shrinkings are done in blast chambers, larger ones have to be burried in a burm. Usually industrial capacitors provide power.

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    3. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by vistic · · Score: 4, Funny
      "The coin is truly amazing to look at and a hit at parties."


      What kind of party are those?
  2. Maybe he should by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have redirected some of that current into getting a more powerful network connection.

  3. Shrinking bandwidth by carcosa30 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently the slashdot effect is a kind of physics fun he didn't account for...

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    1. Re:Shrinking bandwidth by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Apparently the slashdot effect is a kind of physics fun he didn't account for...

      With any luck, he'll be out partying tonight, getting smashed. Then he comes home completely toasted, and has to rebuild the server from the pile of smoke he finds in his server closet.

      Hell is working on MS stuff drunk and plasted. You'll never know what will happen [read the comics through to the end]

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  4. Google Cache? by ResQuad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesnt do anything, because it doesnt cache the pictures. And thats the largest problems of slashdoting. I think slashdot should try to temp mirror the pages for the first few hours it goes up, if its a small site.

    1. Re:Google Cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      To see check out auctions by him:

      Here, Here, Here, And Here

    2. Re:Google Cache? by La+Camiseta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly the reason that I think that Slashdot should put up some Freenet mirrors. At least then, when there's a big rush of requests, the little site's servers wouldn't get the big hits, and the bandwidth would distribute itself out like BitTorrent.

    3. Re:Google Cache? by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Check out these two posts on the topic of /.'ing small sites and why /. can't mirror sites, you may find them informative.

      Jonah Hex

    4. Re:Google Cache? by Forgotten · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not only does it not help, it does harm, since the small site keeps getting hit for the inline images.

      There is no real distinction between the slashdot effect and a DDOS; Slashdot should think itself lucky this hasn't come up in the courts yet. It will. This guy does business through his website (selling the fruits of all the electricity). One day someone will be inconvenienced and have no sense of humour about it.

      A proper mirror for small sites in an upcoming story is a necessity. Slashdot should already be contacting site owners to warn them before posting a story and knowingly sending them a huge flood of visitors that they may not be able to deal with, so copyright issues could be worked out then. A standard "we'll only mirror it for 24 hours" deal would be fine with most everyone. Some story submitters are already doing this, but it's not their responsibility - it's slashdots.

      This problem will eventually result in a lawsuit if it's not addressed. It stopped being funny years ago.

  5. Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how much I'd have to pay for an ad cleverly disguised as a slashdot main story.

  6. Not a record, but... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No posts yet, but already slashdotted.

    Actually, though, I have seen his page before. really cool toys, but strikes me as something most of us would probably not want to play with.

    Worry about the health risks of frequent cell phone use? Doesn't even come close to the RF this sucker puts off. Not to mention ozone and the very real risk of simple death from electrocution...

    1. Re:Not a record, but... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why wouldn't I (and many other slashdotters) want to play with equipment like this? To me, the extremely slight risk of cancer caused by short, high-intensity broadband RF pulses is more than offset by the sheer coolness factor of playing with something like this - a little like a geekier form of "extreme sports," perhaps (God knows I already drink enough Mountain Dew).

      Even without the coolness factor, though, the risks are still rather slight with some attention to safety.

      Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices - most will destroy themselves (or run up against current limiters) far before they output anywhere near the 200-250 mA needed to stop the human heart. While a shock from a tesla coil or other HV device will hurt terribly and pose a risk of burns, it probably won't kill you. Although some devices designed to deliver a high voltage and high current pulse can be extremely dangerous, keeping aware of safety at all times and never using jury-rigged solutions can mean that even a seemingly dangerous activity like playing around with Tesla coils and coincrushers is fairly safe.

      As for ozone, all that you have to do to eliminate most risk is to work outside or in a ventilated area, and not stay around areas where arcing has occured. It's certainly not more dangerous than spraypaint, at least in the quantities produced by most amateur experiments. Bottom line: it's reasonably safe and a lot of fun, so why not do it?

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    2. Re:Not a record, but... by atomicdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Judging by the description above (yeah it can be wrong, but the site is down for the moment) this sounds a lot like the capacitor bank in the lab I work in. Unlike a tesla coil, this think puts out some serious current. The one we have will output around 120,000 amps at 5 kV. It won't be that much if say a human were in between the connections, but that would be enough to give 250 mA of current to anything with less than 20 kOhm resistance. This sounds very similar to the setup this guy has, so I imagine it can be very dangerous. The lab seems somewhat lax about some of it, but that is because a huge amount of the wiring is well enclosed, which tends to be the exact opposite of all of my home projects.

      Even then you have to be careful around pulses of this much current, since often weird things happen with ground. The grounded vacuum chamber we fire this stuff into will often get potentials of several hundred volts across different parts of the same metal chamber. Or if you have something connected to ground in two ways, you can induce a current going from one ground to the other. So it is a matter of knowing what not to touch with your hands or certain equipment when the thing fires.

    3. Re:Not a record, but... by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Informative
      Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices - most will destroy themselves (or run up against current limiters) far before they output anywhere near the 200-250 mA needed to stop the human heart. While a shock from a tesla coil or other HV device will hurt terribly and pose a risk of burns, it probably won't kill you.

      It is true that you won't get a lethal shock directly from the high voltage side of a Tesla coil.

      One thing you have to watch is the shielding on the 'low' voltage side of homemade equipment. You're going to have components running off 120 V or 240 V line current. If the high voltage side arcs to a low voltage component, suddenly you've got a conducting path through the air (technically, a plasma) attached to potentially several amps of line current. It is possible to deliver a a deadly current this way.

      Aside--an arc back to the line can wreak all manner of havoc on other electrical equipment on the same circuit. Your computer won't like it, that's for sure. Please, have properly grounded metal shielding around all line conductors in your experimental area!

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    4. Re:Not a record, but... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Of course it takes special knowledge to build and operate high voltage, high current devices in a safe manner; I never said otherwise. Also, if you jury-rig any wiring in order to make it work, you could very well pay with your life. High voltage and high current devices are incredibly dangerous in the hands of anyone who doesn't know exactly what they're doing. I don't dispute this. However, there are many devices in the world that are dangerous to build and operate without the proper training - aircraft come to mind immediately.

      Regarding the resistance of the human body (to calculate lethal voltages), I remember being told in several HV-safety courses in physics classes that the human cross-body resistance (index finger to index finger) is generally 100 kohms to 1 mohm, depending mostly on the level of sweat on the body, and thus on environmental conditions like heat and humidity. That doesn't mean that 5 kV isn't dangerous, though: remember the 1/10/100 rule: you can feel 1 mA, can't let go at 10 mA due to involuntary local muscle contraction, and at 100 mA you are presenting a serious danger to your heart. Thus, with your 5 kV supply, you'll probably find yourself unable to let go of the power supply's terminals should you touch them. Even the voltages in your house are dangerous, in the right situation (the bathtub scenario: drop a 110v appliance into your bathtub, with you providing a path to ground, and it might not take too much to cause unconciousness and drown you). It's all a matter of knowing what you can do safely.

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  7. The server... by Honig+the+Apothecary · · Score: 5, Funny
    is shrinking right now before you eyes with the application of millions of /.ers.

    If it gets enough hits, will it become small enough to fit in a blade system?

  8. ya know... by abscondment · · Score: 5, Interesting

    tesla coils are really cool. a friend and i once took a 30,000 volt capacitor bank, a homemade tesla coil and a homemade spark gap and liquified my deodorant.

    his garage smelled great for a few months.

    also, any time we'd point the tesla coil towards his neighbors house, they'd lose TV reception.

  9. working link by Nf1nk · · Score: 4, Informative

    for the love of god put in a working link

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  10. Re:So.... why does this happen? by multipartmixed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Electrons moving in a wire exert a magnetic force.

    A lot of electrons moving in a wire exert a lot of magnetic force.

    If you use coiled wires, you get a cylindrical magnetic field.

    If you put a coin inside a coiled wire with a lot of electrons moving through it, it gets smooshed.

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  11. Tesla Coils and other cool stuff by Temporal+Outcast · · Score: 5, Informative
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  12. Shrinking the national debt... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Funny

    With some slight modifications, this technique could be used to shrink the national debt.

    1. Re:Shrinking the national debt... by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

      With some slight modifications, this technique could be used to shrink the national debt.

      Only if you electrocute the politicians currently in office.

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  13. How shrinking a quarter works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    * Theory of Operation
    * Results
    * EM Field Theory and Wire Fragmentation?
    * Isn't Defacing Money a Federal Crime?
    * So Who Invented this Crazy Device?
    * References

    Theory of Operation:
    The Quarter Shrinker uses a technique called high velocity electromagnetic metal forming, or "Magneforming". This technique was originally developed by the aerospace industry in conjunction with NASA, and has been popularized by Aerovox, Grumman, and Maxwell. It involves quickly discharging a high energy capacitor bank through a work coil to generate a very powerful and rapidly changing magnetic field which then "forms" the metal to be fabricated. While it works best with metals of relatively high electrical conductivity such as copper or aluminum alloys, it will work to a more limited extent with poorer conductors such as sheet steel.

    In my current system, I charge up a large capacitor bank consisting of a number of large capacitors, each weighing about 165 pounds and about 30" high x 14" wide x 8" thick. A High Voltage relay is used to connect the caps either to a high voltage DC charging supply, or to a high power bleeder resistor chain. A 15 kV 60 mA transformer and a set of 40 kV rectifiers provide the DC charging voltage for the capacitor bank. The primary of the transformer can be overdriven to 140 volts via a variable autotransformer to speed up the charging process. The electrical energy stored in the capacitor bank is proportional to the square of the bank voltage, and the degree of "shrinking" force is directly proportional to the capacitor bank's energy.

    The charged capacitor bank is quickly discharged through a single layer work coil made of heavy magnet wire. The coin is held firmly in the center of the coil by a pair of dowel rods so that it's axis of rotation is parallel to the centerline of the coil. This constrains the coin from twisting, and also helps balance the forces wanting to eject it from inside the coil. The two ends of the coil are stripped of insulation and firmly bolted to heavy copper bus bars. The high voltage "switch" that connects the capacitor bank to the work coil is actually a high power triggerable spark gap, called a "trigatron". The main gap electrodes are solid brass, 2.5" in diameter. One of the electrodes is drilled and tapped to hold the triggering electrode (actually a modified spark plug). A triggered spark gap is the only affordable device that can hold off the high voltage and then reliably and efficiently switch the high currents involved in the shrinking process (70,000 to over 100,000 amperes).

    The trigatron is fired by applying a high voltage (~40 kV) pulse to the trigger electrode, which then causes the main gap in the trigatron to ionize and fire. Once the main gap fires, current rapidly climbs in the work coil, the rate of change (di/dt) being of the order of 4-5 billion amperes/second. The natural resonant frequency of the LC circuit formed by the capacitor bank and work coil is of the order of 8-12 kHz. Through transformer action, a huge circulating current is induced in the coin, but because of skin effect, this current is confined to the outermost rim of the coin, typically penetrating to a depth of less than 0.050". In clad coins more of this circulating current flows through the better conducting copper center of the clad sandwich than in the outer layers. The coin and work coil magnetic fields oppose each other (Lenz's Law), resulting in tremendous repulsion forces between the work coil and the rim of the coin. The circulating current in the rim of the coin actually prevents the rapidly increasing magnetic field of the work coil from penetrating the interior of the coin.

    The large current that's induced into the outer rim of the coin can reach a million amperes or more! The initial bank energy is typically in the range of 3,500 - 8,500 Joules (or watt-seconds) but it is being discharged in microseconds. As a result, the instantaneous power is quite large, and for a brief instant is roughly

  14. As seen on Ebay by Jim+Buzbee · · Score: 4, Informative



    Check out the picture and prices of the some of his work on ebay

    Try slashdoting that!

  15. anti-spam by mnewton32 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please Contact Me me to discuss YOUR custom shrinking needs!

    Ah, now this is a welcome relief from all those spammers who seem to think I always need to make things bigger!

  16. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by eclectro · · Score: 5, Informative


    What happens is the coin ends up _thicker_ than before. Because it is thicker, the coin in turn becomes smaller. The mass is indeed the same before and after.

    There is no exotic atomic manipulation going on. Not that people have tried (aka alchemy).

    Here are his ebay auctions

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  17. Magneforming by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Magneforming is a routine industrial operation. Because it produces a true radially symmetrical squeezing force, it's often used for operations that involve compressing a tube around something. I first saw it used in making hydraulic valve bobbins. These have a machined metal core with "piston rings" compressed around key areas.

    Magneforming is just another less-common metalworking techniques. Others include hydroforming, water jet cutting, spinning, and blowing.

  18. Wayback Machine by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Informative

    Better than a mirror: The Wayback Machine!

    Try looking here.

    Or here.

    The archives are kind of old (pre 2004) but they seem to have some of the information.

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  19. The "news for nerds treatment" by Nick+Driver · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm happy to see the site finally get the news for nerds treatment it deserves

    Yeah! That's even got a catchy ring to it... From now on, when we want to bring a site to its knees, we'll give it the news for nerds treatment. :-)

  20. Since people are interested... by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a link to a site on Tesla Coils, since so many of you seem to be interested in them.

    http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/

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  21. Patent? by Salamander · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like the US Air Force's Rome Air Development Center thinks they have a patent on it. Am I the only one who thinks "United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Air Force" should not be a valid patent assignee?

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