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Small Change, and Other Physics Fun

fishy jew writes "Ever want an easy way to make your 'small change' even smaller? Well, Bert Hickman has it - mix a home-brewed machine, 6.5 kiloJoules, and 100,000 Amps of current! On his website, he has descriptions and pictures of his many exploits with large quantities of electricity, notably including shrinking coins, building a Tesla coil, creating Lichtenberg figures (chaotic sculpture), and more! He has extensively outlined the equipment, procedure, and results for each of his experiments, and included many pretty pictures, too. Here are Google caches for when the site gets /.'ed: Main Page, Shrinking Coins, Tesla Coil, and Lichtenberg Figures."

310 comments

  1. I own one of these coins... very cool by Punchinello · · Score: 4, Informative
    I bought a shrunken Sacagawea Dollar from this site in May, 2003 (around the same time my Slashdot story submission about the site was rejected). The coin is truly amazing to look at and a hit at parties. The details of Sacagawea and the Eagle are perfect, only smaller (although the coin itself has a bit of an uneven surface caused by the rapid shrinking process). I'm happy to see the site finally get the news for nerds treatment it deserves.

    There is a cool Popular Science article for more information.

    Now go buy some coins to fund Bert's efforts!

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    1. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      That's one way to be a hit at a party. The other way is to bring good drugs. They're both cool.

      -B

    2. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by ThomasFlip · · Score: 5, Funny

      They should name these coins after George Bushes fiscal advisors.

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    3. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Yea I was going to submit it, but all my submissions get cancelled because I suck so I didn't even bother :)

      For those who now can't get to the site: These coins are "shrunken" by being placed inside a wooden dowel, the dowel is then wrapped with electrical wire, and a ton of electricity is then discharged into the coil -- the resulting magnetic field deforms the coin (shrinks usually, but not always!), and causes the entire apparatus to explode :) Small shrinkings are done in blast chambers, larger ones have to be burried in a burm. Usually industrial capacitors provide power.

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    4. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Merlin42 · · Score: 1

      Im pretty sure this has been on slashdot several times but I could only find one other:

      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/02/21/1940 23 4

    5. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by vistic · · Score: 4, Funny
      "The coin is truly amazing to look at and a hit at parties."


      What kind of party are those?
    6. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Radish03 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously the type of party slshdotters go to and actually associate with others.

    7. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by zapp · · Score: -1, Troll

      I know it's bad practice to reply to a sig, but:
      All I know about Bush is I had a job when Clinton was president.

      This attitude always pisses me off. People don't seem to realize that there is a substantial delay between when a political figure comes into office and when the economy responds to his actions & policies. It's not like on Jan 27 (random date) a law was passed and you were fired and all your stocks went down 50% because of it.

      Chances are, Clinton did things in his years that ahd longterm negative effects, and now you're blaming Bush for it.

      I'm not defending Bush, and quite frankly I hate the both of them. This is a general pattern where Guy A fucks it up, but things don't become noticable until Guy B is in office, and gets blamed, so people vote someone similar to guy A back into office.

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    8. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by stuffman64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Curious, do the coins weigh as much as thier non-shrunken counterparts? I wonder what this does to the structure of the metal... perhaps this process could be used to make ultra-dense objects such as bullets that are much more damaging than regular ones.

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    9. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by volkris · · Score: 1

      Clinton's would be more appropriate...

    10. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Abd I'm sure Bush giving millions of dollars away in taxcuts to the rich had NOTHING to do with it.

      asshole

    11. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by noodler · · Score: 1

      now i also know why bush never signed the kyoto agreement.,.,

    12. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Burn!

    13. Re:I own one of these coins... very cool by zero_offset · · Score: 1

      Yes, for the same reason a sheet of aluminum foil weighs the same as that sheet wadded into a ball. You're just increasing the density. The mass is unchanged.

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  2. And.... the Poll of the Topic... by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    1. Re:And.... the Poll of the Topic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I can't believe you're wasting karma on promoting that shitty site..

    2. Re:And.... the Poll of the Topic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I can't believe you think karma is important...

  3. first to post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    first to post!

  4. Maybe he should by Herkum01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have redirected some of that current into getting a more powerful network connection.

    1. Re:Maybe he should by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Can you imagine a beowolf cluster of these.

  5. I'M PRETTY SURE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    I JUST GOT FROSTY

    TACO, IS HE GAY? OR IS HE JUST A MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS?

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  6. Shrinking bandwidth by carcosa30 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently the slashdot effect is a kind of physics fun he didn't account for...

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    1. Re:Shrinking bandwidth by Pumpernickle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Cheaper, too. Besides, you wouldn't believe the figures the cable for his connection starts making when he gets linked to from /. ^^

    2. Re:Shrinking bandwidth by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Funny
      Apparently the slashdot effect is a kind of physics fun he didn't account for...

      With any luck, he'll be out partying tonight, getting smashed. Then he comes home completely toasted, and has to rebuild the server from the pile of smoke he finds in his server closet.

      Hell is working on MS stuff drunk and plasted. You'll never know what will happen [read the comics through to the end]

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    3. Re:Shrinking bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Slashdotted" ... we've acted over the past few years as if it is (1) funny (2) a fact of life (3) some sort of reward

      In fact it is none of the above.

      OK /., get off your/our collective arses and fix this. If /. doesn't get /.'ed, then why should articles directly referred to?

      Ok, mod this down. It is not essential to the topic in question. It is essential to those who create valuable content. Up till now, /. punishes them as much as it recognises them.

      All it takes is a little magic (SMOP) to make all links refer to a /. cache, and some poor little content creator in Singapore or Cincinatti won't be destroyed. Get on with it!

      Patrick Keogh
      (yes I have an account, but I can't bother, patrick@keogh.net.au)

    4. Re:Shrinking bandwidth by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      And I never knew physics existed in such a way to allow for a pile of smoke.

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  7. Google Cache? by ResQuad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doesnt do anything, because it doesnt cache the pictures. And thats the largest problems of slashdoting. I think slashdot should try to temp mirror the pages for the first few hours it goes up, if its a small site.

    1. Re:Google Cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      To see check out auctions by him:

      Here, Here, Here, And Here

    2. Re:Google Cache? by La+Camiseta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly the reason that I think that Slashdot should put up some Freenet mirrors. At least then, when there's a big rush of requests, the little site's servers wouldn't get the big hits, and the bandwidth would distribute itself out like BitTorrent.

    3. Re:Google Cache? by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 5, Informative

      Check out these two posts on the topic of /.'ing small sites and why /. can't mirror sites, you may find them informative.

      Jonah Hex

    4. Re:Google Cache? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1, Funny

      Right, so that Slashdot can Slashdot itself. Recursion, anyone?

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    5. Re:Google Cache? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny
      I think slashdot should try to temp mirror the pages for the first few hours it goes up, if its a small site.

      Well, did it start out as a small site, or did Bert Hickman shrink it?

    6. Re:Google Cache? by Forgotten · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not only does it not help, it does harm, since the small site keeps getting hit for the inline images.

      There is no real distinction between the slashdot effect and a DDOS; Slashdot should think itself lucky this hasn't come up in the courts yet. It will. This guy does business through his website (selling the fruits of all the electricity). One day someone will be inconvenienced and have no sense of humour about it.

      A proper mirror for small sites in an upcoming story is a necessity. Slashdot should already be contacting site owners to warn them before posting a story and knowingly sending them a huge flood of visitors that they may not be able to deal with, so copyright issues could be worked out then. A standard "we'll only mirror it for 24 hours" deal would be fine with most everyone. Some story submitters are already doing this, but it's not their responsibility - it's slashdots.

      This problem will eventually result in a lawsuit if it's not addressed. It stopped being funny years ago.

    7. Re:Google Cache? by foo1752 · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I think that Slashdot should put up some Freenet mirrors

      Yes, that's a fantasic idea. Then, it would take me all weekend to finally have those pictures of shrunken coins appear in my browser. Thank God for Freenet!

    8. Re:Google Cache? by general_re · · Score: 1, Offtopic
      There is no real distinction between the slashdot effect and a DDOS

      Other than the critical distinction of "intent", of course. Suing someone for things that fall under the heading of "shit happens" rarely leads anywhere useful.

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    9. Re:Google Cache? by HD+Webdev · · Score: 1

      A proper mirror for small sites in an upcoming story is a necessity. Slashdot should already be contacting site owners to warn them before posting a story and knowingly sending them a huge flood of visitors that they may not be able to deal with, so copyright issues could be worked out then. A standard "we'll only mirror it for 24 hours" deal would be fine with most everyone. Some story submitters are already doing this, but it's not their responsibility - it's slashdots.

      This problem will eventually result in a lawsuit if it's not addressed. It stopped being funny years ago.

      Web sites are put up to be viewed by anyone on the planet who chooses to go there.

      Going to court with an accusation of 'I put up a nifty web site and all these slashdot people killed it because it was so popular' will not sit easy with any Judge I have seen.

      If Slashdot was such a menace to the internet, web servers would be configured to barf up some small page to http referrers from slashdot.org.

      It may seem like a big deal to us from the inside, but from the outside, the total percentage of web sites per YEAR slashdotted comes extremely close to 0%.

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    10. Re:Google Cache? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      No, Taco's "I can't mirror because of copyright" is an excuse, not a reason. There is no good reason why they could not e-mail the webmaster and request permission to put up a temporary mirror. They don't do it because of laziness and because they like the notoriety of the slashdot effect.

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    11. Re:Google Cache? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 2, Funny

      I salute you. You have taken Karma whoredom to a new level. You just got a 5 Score for posting links to your own week-old slashdot posts.

      LK

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    12. Re:Google Cache? by BillyBlaze · · Score: 1

      I agree. And it wouldn't even need to delay the story: wget the page (but don't publish the copy yet), post the story, email the webmaster. If he tells you to go ahead and relieve his servers, then change the links to point to your copy, otherwise keep them and throw away the local copy you made.

    13. Re:Google Cache? by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

      Actually I only intended to pass on some info on a subject that interests me as a puter/network tech, so that those who feel likewise can check out this admittedly off-topic subject. My post is short and sweet, links to original insights/info, and does not attempt to disguise the fact that I wrote them; and despite the fact that I posted without my karma bonus I have as little control over what happens once I hit Submit as the next /. ID does...

      Jonah Hex

    14. Re:Google Cache? by jamesh · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much the inconvenience cost him vs the number of additional sales he might get from this free advertising...

      think about that for a second. How much would an advertising shop charge to guarantee even a 10th of the hits slashdot generated?

      I don't know how it would stand up in a court of law anyway. If you put up a web site for people to look at, and something like slashdot says 'Hey everyone, come and have a look at this cool site!', on what basis would a legal or civil case be mounted against slashdot?

      btw, I still find it funny :p

    15. Re:Google Cache? by Slinky+Saves+the+Wor · · Score: 1

      Technically, yes, Google cache is in violation of copyright. But then again all proxies anywhere are in violation... So basically you couldn't even surf the said pages, as the bits get copies in transit. Just read some $BIG_CORP Terms of Use and you'll see.

      But using common sense should prevail here. If Slashdot directs x thousand people to some site simultaneously, it would be prudent to mirror the entire site. Some people pay for bandwidth. Some people have a bandwidth/transferred bytes limit, if you exceed it and no more pages for you. And so on. I'm sure the mirroring would benefit everyone.

      Besides, if Slashdot is so afraid of copyright violations, why are the mirror URLs posted by individuals allowed in the forums...? Let's have automated Slashdot mirroring. How would it be different from what Google is doing?

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    16. Re:Google Cache? by Jim+the+Bad · · Score: 1

      More information on that here.

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    17. Re:Google Cache? by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      I agree with your idea about mirroring; I don't think that a lawsuit is doable (which doesn't mean someone won't try it).

      One of the problems with mirroring is the site's administrators won't have the increase in hits (and corresponding ad revenue). Perhaps a mirror template could be set up which understands the biggest advertisers' methods so the hits could still be counted by the original site (and a percentage given to the mirror host, to defray some of the costs of mirroring?).

      Once the mirror is closed, statistics should be sent back to the site's administrators. And when the mirror is "closed" the mirror URL should still exist, but be redirected to the original site.

      Perhaps the mirror could "hijack" the original URL (with the site's permission of course) so the site would send visitors to the mirror. The site would still get a lot of hits and might crumble under that load, but it wouldn't have to send pages and images, just refer the visitor to a different URL which would be 100 bytes or less, most likely.

      I would start this project but it's not an itch I need scratched...

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  8. Hmm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder how much I'd have to pay for an ad cleverly disguised as a slashdot main story.

    1. Re:Hmm.. by onemorehour · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great cynicism, but that's not a very profitable venture. How many shrunken coins do you have to sell in order to replace your smoldering heap of a web server?

    2. Re:Hmm.. by ColaMan · · Score: 2, Funny

      Surprisingly few seeing that, contrary to popular slashdot belief, web servers don't actually burn.

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    3. Re:Hmm.. by onemorehour · · Score: 1

      I think that, contrary to your belief, slashdot posters don't actually think that webservers burn under load. Instead, they employ hyperbole to make a joke. It's much funnier to imagine a webserver catching on fire than, say, someone dealing with an IIS crash and/or paying for high bandwidth usage.


      On a side note, web servers burn at high enough temperatures, just like most things.

    4. Re:Hmm.. by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Funny
      Surprisingly few seeing that, contrary to popular slashdot belief, web servers don't actually burn.

      Oh, yeah? Then what's this?
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    5. Re:Hmm.. by penguinboy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh? I beg to differ.

    6. Re:Hmm.. by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      Maybe you can shrink that too?

      How about shrinking spammers' heads?

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    7. Re:Hmm.. by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      I once had an Apple II floppy drive literally go up in smoke. Of course that was before the WWW.

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  9. drunk by cpeterso · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    I am drunk. I am still at work. I am still coding. I'm about to check in. Please wish me luck! :)

  10. IIS fails again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Looks like /. has proven once again that IIS just isn't up to the task of being a web server. pwned

  11. Not a record, but... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No posts yet, but already slashdotted.

    Actually, though, I have seen his page before. really cool toys, but strikes me as something most of us would probably not want to play with.

    Worry about the health risks of frequent cell phone use? Doesn't even come close to the RF this sucker puts off. Not to mention ozone and the very real risk of simple death from electrocution...

    1. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      That's ok, I saw the pictures year ago when this someone else like this was highlighted on Slashdot. You can find about six sites with people "shrinking" coins. I'd give a link, but you know why I don't.

      Electrocution isn't the only danger. These things are explosive.

    2. Re:Not a record, but... by cmacb · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Yeah, those homebrew IIS servers don't stand up to much traffic do they? :)

    3. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I'd remember to proof read more than twice.

    4. Re:Not a record, but... by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 1

      From parent post:
      but strikes me as something most of us would probably not want to play with.

      Which may be why the page's warning takes up as much space as the page's main title.

      From story (sort of):
      "Ever want an easy way to make your 'small mind' even smaller? ... mix a home-brewed machine, 6.5 kiloJoules, and 100,000 Amps of current!

      The Dalai Llama

      Who learned at a very young age that stripping the cord from an old clock, plugging the cord into the wall, and touching the bare wires to both sides of a watch battery produces an amazing spectacle that will put one off of any later attempts at producing home-brewed mini-change.
    5. Re:Not a record, but... by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I see he is using IIS. Poor guy. I think if the number of connections > 3 then that irritating microsoft 403.9 page gets spat out. grr

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    6. Re:Not a record, but... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Why wouldn't I (and many other slashdotters) want to play with equipment like this? To me, the extremely slight risk of cancer caused by short, high-intensity broadband RF pulses is more than offset by the sheer coolness factor of playing with something like this - a little like a geekier form of "extreme sports," perhaps (God knows I already drink enough Mountain Dew).

      Even without the coolness factor, though, the risks are still rather slight with some attention to safety.

      Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices - most will destroy themselves (or run up against current limiters) far before they output anywhere near the 200-250 mA needed to stop the human heart. While a shock from a tesla coil or other HV device will hurt terribly and pose a risk of burns, it probably won't kill you. Although some devices designed to deliver a high voltage and high current pulse can be extremely dangerous, keeping aware of safety at all times and never using jury-rigged solutions can mean that even a seemingly dangerous activity like playing around with Tesla coils and coincrushers is fairly safe.

      As for ozone, all that you have to do to eliminate most risk is to work outside or in a ventilated area, and not stay around areas where arcing has occured. It's certainly not more dangerous than spraypaint, at least in the quantities produced by most amateur experiments. Bottom line: it's reasonably safe and a lot of fun, so why not do it?

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    7. Re:Not a record, but... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite the same thing. The output of a Tesla coil is not in the band that ionizes living tissue (like, say a cell phone or a microwave oven in the 2.4 Ghz. range.) High-powered RF by itself is harmless enough: passes right through you. Generations of HAM operators have sat next to their transmitters with no ill effects.

      There is relatively little risk of electrocution from a properly-tuned Tesla coil, although you could easily suffer a nasty RF burn if you're not careful (those take a long time to heal, for some reason.) Skin-effect keeps the current from passing through your body, but if the unit has low-frequency harmonics superposed upon the RF waveform you can get a nasty shock. I've experimented with Tesla coils (many years ago) and could stand there holding a sharp metal rod in one hand drawing a two foot arc to the discharge sphere. Scary as hell but lots of fun.

      You are at far greater risk of electrocution from an electrostatic generator. A Van de Graaf or Wimshurst of even moderate size coupled with enough capacitance can kill you in an instant.

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    8. Re:Not a record, but... by Ironsides · · Score: 1

      What RF? This is all Electro Magnetism. No radio waves to speak of at all from this stuff. If he built a full size replica of the original tesla coil, that still wouldn't do much to a human. (FYI, I have seen that one in action people. The faraday cage is to protect the computers from rebooting.) About the only thing I would be woried about is my watch going caput. Or my computers rebooting on me.

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    9. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, seriously. I work on an experiment with a 27 MJ superconducting solenoid. (Used for generating a 1.5 T field over a fairly large volume). When the thing quenches, there's a sort of loud WHOOSH as the field energy is rapidly released and the energy of 6.4 kg of TNT is effectively absorbed into the magnet and flux-return structure.

    10. Re:Not a record, but... by atomicdragon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Judging by the description above (yeah it can be wrong, but the site is down for the moment) this sounds a lot like the capacitor bank in the lab I work in. Unlike a tesla coil, this think puts out some serious current. The one we have will output around 120,000 amps at 5 kV. It won't be that much if say a human were in between the connections, but that would be enough to give 250 mA of current to anything with less than 20 kOhm resistance. This sounds very similar to the setup this guy has, so I imagine it can be very dangerous. The lab seems somewhat lax about some of it, but that is because a huge amount of the wiring is well enclosed, which tends to be the exact opposite of all of my home projects.

      Even then you have to be careful around pulses of this much current, since often weird things happen with ground. The grounded vacuum chamber we fire this stuff into will often get potentials of several hundred volts across different parts of the same metal chamber. Or if you have something connected to ground in two ways, you can induce a current going from one ground to the other. So it is a matter of knowing what not to touch with your hands or certain equipment when the thing fires.

    11. Re:Not a record, but... by OOGG_THE_CAVEMAN · · Score: 3, Informative

      OOGG WISH CORRECT STATEMENT ON IONIZING RADIATION.

      ScrewMaster NOT REMEMBER PLANCK'S CONSTANT.

      RADIATION TO "ionizing living tissue" MUST HAVE PHOTON ENERGY ENOUGH TO IONIZE. ATOMIC PHYSICS USE UNIT "Rydberg" IONIZING ENERGY FOR HYDROGEN ATOM.

      ONE RYDBERG BE 13.6 electron volts. NOT ALL IONS REQUIRE SO MUCH, BUT CLEARLY ORDER OF VOLTS. THINK OF BATTERY; CHEMICAL BATTERIES PRODUCE VOLTS.

      Planck's constant be equivalent to 3.28 10^15 Hz. Even 1 eV be 2.41 10^14 Hz, or ABOUT TEN THOUSAND TIMES HIGHER than 2.4 10^9 Hz = 2.4 GHz.

      HANDY CAVEMAN RULE OF THUMB: GET CANCER FROM UV SUNLIGHT, NOT INFRARED FIRE. FIRE THERMAL BURN ONLY, NOT IONIZING.

    12. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, haven't got a clue as to what the hell you are talking about. Not a clue. None. Zero. You're an idiot. But there's still some hope. Enroll for a marketing degree.

      "What RF? This is all Electro Magnetism"

      What the hell do you think RF is, a baloney sandwich? RF *IS* electromagnetism you simple-minded fool!

      "No radio waves to speak of at all from this stuff"

      Really? So jumping from 0A to 100000A in a spark gap in a few microseconds won't generate any RF? Man, I wish I could slap you. With RF.

    13. Re:Not a record, but... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Posts like this are a big part of why I love slashdot. However you miss the point that the energy is not evenly distributed. Without a focussed signal you can get semi-random (as in, you don't know where they're going and you didn't plan for them) interference patterns. Good point about the fire, though. In order to get burned from that you're going to have to burn something 'interesting' like magnesium. and, I got a nice sunburn on my arms from arc welding while wearing a tee shirt, but that's not at all the same thing...

      --
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    14. Re:Not a record, but... by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

      "Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices"

      You never have worked with this kind of equipment have you? ANY high voltage equipment is a risk. I once got into the hobby of playing with HV and man it is extreamly dangerous. Working with 2 60ma 12kV neons in parallel hooked to a voltage multiplier then charge a 14.4 uF 40kv pulse cap is some scary shit. 14 awg wire explodes at 35kV! I used it to crush some cans and a few quarters. I soon gave up playing with it. Small tesla coils are not lethal but the secondary sparks can burn you( larger ones are deadly). The real danger in a tesla coil are the tank caps in the tank circuit (the primary circuit). They can easily store a lethal charge. Ozone is a factor but any coiler knows of this problem. Hell the line voltage of 120 or 240 volts can easily kill you. So if any one here wants to give HV a shot I advise allot of caution and be aware that IT CAN EAILY KILL YOU!

    15. Re:Not a record, but... by sploxx · · Score: 3, Informative

      > Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices - most will destroy themselves (or run up against current limiters) far before they output anywhere near the 200-250 mA needed to stop the human heart.

      Uh oh. Be careful with such statements. I charged a PC power supply filtering cap (electrolytic, 100uF) to 600V and (accidentally) touched it with both hands. I flew across the room with a loud "ieek". I'm happy I survived that. Really. That was more than 250mA.

      I have some other 10kV/1uF-Caps here, discharging them from 3kV (did not try more yet => destroyed my PC with them once because of EMI!) is enough fire, smoke and thunder to satisfy my pyromanic HV ego. I have never touched them, handle them with a 2m pole (literally!) and I'm also not going to go close to them (if charged) in any way.

      Someone stated that caps charged with energies less than 10 Joule are safe (i.e. unlikely to be lethal - no warranty!), but take capacitors serious. In the setups described, the caps contains KILOjoules of energy and will SURELY kill you if you even get close to them (because of that nasty gap-jumping property of HV).

    16. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotcha OOGG, 10^14 is 10^5 or ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES higher.

    17. Re:Not a record, but... by Idarubicin · · Score: 4, Informative
      Electrocution actually isn't much of a risk with many HV devices - most will destroy themselves (or run up against current limiters) far before they output anywhere near the 200-250 mA needed to stop the human heart. While a shock from a tesla coil or other HV device will hurt terribly and pose a risk of burns, it probably won't kill you.

      It is true that you won't get a lethal shock directly from the high voltage side of a Tesla coil.

      One thing you have to watch is the shielding on the 'low' voltage side of homemade equipment. You're going to have components running off 120 V or 240 V line current. If the high voltage side arcs to a low voltage component, suddenly you've got a conducting path through the air (technically, a plasma) attached to potentially several amps of line current. It is possible to deliver a a deadly current this way.

      Aside--an arc back to the line can wreak all manner of havoc on other electrical equipment on the same circuit. Your computer won't like it, that's for sure. Please, have properly grounded metal shielding around all line conductors in your experimental area!

      --
      ~Idarubicin
    18. Re:Not a record, but... by PurpleFloyd · · Score: 4, Informative
      Of course it takes special knowledge to build and operate high voltage, high current devices in a safe manner; I never said otherwise. Also, if you jury-rig any wiring in order to make it work, you could very well pay with your life. High voltage and high current devices are incredibly dangerous in the hands of anyone who doesn't know exactly what they're doing. I don't dispute this. However, there are many devices in the world that are dangerous to build and operate without the proper training - aircraft come to mind immediately.

      Regarding the resistance of the human body (to calculate lethal voltages), I remember being told in several HV-safety courses in physics classes that the human cross-body resistance (index finger to index finger) is generally 100 kohms to 1 mohm, depending mostly on the level of sweat on the body, and thus on environmental conditions like heat and humidity. That doesn't mean that 5 kV isn't dangerous, though: remember the 1/10/100 rule: you can feel 1 mA, can't let go at 10 mA due to involuntary local muscle contraction, and at 100 mA you are presenting a serious danger to your heart. Thus, with your 5 kV supply, you'll probably find yourself unable to let go of the power supply's terminals should you touch them. Even the voltages in your house are dangerous, in the right situation (the bathtub scenario: drop a 110v appliance into your bathtub, with you providing a path to ground, and it might not take too much to cause unconciousness and drown you). It's all a matter of knowing what you can do safely.

      --

      That's it. I'm no longer part of Team Sanity.
    19. Re:Not a record, but... by mshultz · · Score: 1

      Not quite enough power for time travel, unfortunately! You've only got about half of the necessary 1.21 "jiga-watts"...

    20. Re:Not a record, but... by JesseL · · Score: 1

      You've probably seen his page before because this story is a three-year-old dupe(posted by the same editor no less).

      --
      "Prefiero morir de pie que vivir siempre arrodillado!"
    21. Re:Not a record, but... by atomicdragon · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've made the same complaint to my boss before, but he said it wouldn't make any difference since my project funds would not cover the flux capacitor, let alone a car that can handle 88 mph. He said he might consider extending the funds if I made a Mr. Fusion that worked on bananas and flat beer (I happen to work in a plasma physics/fusion lab).

      But at least when we turn it up into the 8 kV range, we can brag about having a machine output a million horsepower (even if it is for 10-20 microseconds).

    22. Re:Not a record, but... by another_henry · · Score: 1
      Just like to point out that although the skin effect does exist (in metallic conductors) it DOES NOT APPLY to humans. This is backed up by plenty of recent research - see the Pupman mailing list. You do not feel a shock from a Tesla coil (in theory) because the frequency is high enough that your nerves can't respond - therefore it is much less dangerous than DC or low frequency AC because there is little risk of stopping your heart. However it can and does still cause deep internal RF burns.

      Actually on one of the two occasions I took a strike from my small Tesla coil, I certainly did feel it. The ground wire came disconnected and arced through me. The other time was on purpose but I carefully stood on an insulated platform and held a screwdriver to the streamers, much reducing the risk.

      --
      "Studies have shown that people who eat peanuts live longer than those who do not eat."
    23. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Actually, though, I have seen his page before. really cool toys, but strikes me as something most of us would probably not want to play with.

      I had a electrical engineering roommate in college that used to slice beer cans in half with a powerful electric arc.

      He gave it up after a particularly drunk sorority girl nearly killed herself by almost falling into the device.

      As I recall... he ended up getting laid after he explained the danger of the whole situation.

    24. Re:Not a record, but... by mpoulton · · Score: 1

      I remember being told in several HV-safety courses in physics classes that the human cross-body resistance (index finger to index finger) is generally 100 kohms to 1 mohm

      Yes and no. When measured with low voltages, the resistance is in that range, but almost all of that resistance is in the first .5mm or so of skin. High voltages (above a hundred volts or so) instantly break down this skin barrier, and the apparent resistance drops to a couple hundred ohms. This is why 120V can kill. A 5kV capacitor bank will likely explode body parts.

      --
      I am a geek attorney, but not your geek attorney unless you've already retained me. This is not legal advice.
    25. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOD PARENT UP! Even cavemen understand ionizing versus non-ionizing radiation -- when will the rest of slashdot finally learn that cell phones and microwaves are less capable of causing cancer than VISIBLE LIGHT, for chrissake!

    26. Re:Not a record, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod that up. The point is that body-resistance is a a highly-nonlinear function of "test" voltage.

    27. Re:Not a record, but... by Planx_Constant · · Score: 1

      Thank you, OOG.

      --
      Heisenberg might have been here.
    28. Re:Not a record, but... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --God help us if they ever had a child...

      Scenario 1: Drunk-ass, brilliant but slightly suicidal HV Specialist (that can slice beer cans.)

      Scenario 2: The next Tesla / Edison.

      Scenario 3: Combine Scenarios 1 and 2.

      Scenario 4: PROFIT!

      --
      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
    29. Re:Not a record, but... by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

      I've been paralyzed by electricity. It was one of the most frightening experiences of my life.

      I was just a little kid, maybe four or five. I remember this device, I think it was a humidifier, with a silver panel with a small (~1 cm) square hole, and a red panel behind the hole. I stuck my finger in the hole -- and I couldn't move. I couldn't even cry for help. Luckily my mother came by and pulled me away.

      To this day, the tingling of electricity gives me the creeps. Maybe that's just normal; or maybe it has something to do with my experience. But I can't stand those touch lamps that are so popular now, because of that tingle.

      --
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    30. Re:Not a record, but... by WeblionX · · Score: 1

      (because of that nasty gap-jumping property of HV).

      You mean like this?

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  12. Slashdotted already... by Rockenreno · · Score: -1, Redundant

    gar, too soon to be Slashdotted says I!

    --

    Forecast for tomorrow: A few sprinklings of genius with a chance of DOOM!
  13. The server... by Honig+the+Apothecary · · Score: 5, Funny
    is shrinking right now before you eyes with the application of millions of /.ers.

    If it gets enough hits, will it become small enough to fit in a blade system?

  14. ya know... by abscondment · · Score: 5, Interesting

    tesla coils are really cool. a friend and i once took a 30,000 volt capacitor bank, a homemade tesla coil and a homemade spark gap and liquified my deodorant.

    his garage smelled great for a few months.

    also, any time we'd point the tesla coil towards his neighbors house, they'd lose TV reception.

    1. Re:ya know... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1, Troll

      I can liquify deoderant with a 59 cent lighter. Good work.

      -B

    2. Re:ya know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      also, any time we'd point the tesla coil towards his neighbors house, they'd lose TV reception.

      Bull. Tesla coils aren't that directional. Stop making stuff up and fix your fucking shift key.

    3. Re:ya know... by miryth · · Score: 1

      Stop insulting people randomly and fix your swearing problem. (meanie)

    4. Re:ya know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

      ...and liquified my deodorant...

      and by the smell of you, you didn't buy a new one!

    5. Re:ya know... by abscondment · · Score: 1

      the distance we're talking about is like 15 feet. we watched it happen.

    6. Re:ya know... by JW+Troll · · Score: 0

      my buddy built one, and it scrambled the hard drives in all his computers. also it killed radio reception in one block radius, tv too, and made the phones crap on his kitchen counter. or maybe that was the dog.

      i still have the massive power transformer from it :)

      --
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  15. Physics by Casisiempre · · Score: 0, Redundant

    In Physics news, Slashdot effect takes another site. On to other topics...

  16. No pictures on google's cache by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you want to see pictures of the shrunken coins..... try popular science - http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,125 43,490445,00.html

    1. Re:No pictures on google's cache by LBArrettAnderson · · Score: 3, Informative

      or here's a link without the space

    2. Re:No pictures on google's cache by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      http://images.google.es/images?&q=+site%3A205.243. 100.155+jpg&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Google

      i think that is a image cache of it
      to bad i don't know how to make a nice little link for it.

  17. Unsurprisingly by SatanicPuppy · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Since the site is running IIS it should come as no surprise to know that the site is dead. Too bad the pictures aren't in the cache.

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  18. New experiment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Wonder if he can do the opposite with my...uhum...private parts?

    1. Re:New experiment... by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      You can do that with magnifying lens

    2. Re:New experiment... by Jorkapp · · Score: 1, Funny

      Obligatory Simpsons Quote

      [Body Guard #1] Hey boss, we were just thinkin' of you.
      [Quimby] You idiots! You're fired!
      [Body Guard #1] Oh yeah. Then who will take a bullet for you?
      [Body Guard #2] Or hook your genitals up to a car battery?
      [Quimby] I'll tell you who. This man! (points to Homer)
      [Homer] Woohoo!
      [Marge] Homer, didn't you hear...
      [Homer] (Interrupting) I said Woohoo.

      --
      Frink: Nice try floyd, but you were designed for scrubbing, and scrubbing is what you shall do.
    3. Re:New experiment... by foo1752 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Wonder if he can do the opposite with my...uhum...private parts?

      Interesting idea... So, the article claims that it takes 100 kiloamps of current to shrink a coin. So, let's just assume that the process is reversible and by finding a way to enlarge a small coin, you would actually be generating large amounts of current, okay?

      Now, let's throw your genitals into the mix. We'll take your small, unused organ and hook it up to the power grid. Then, we'll order some penis enlargement pills and feed them to you in mass quantities. Step 3: profit from selling the energy back to the power company!

  19. Not a Mirror, But Related by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.thegeekgroup.org/

    These guys do a lot of the same stuff.

    1. Re:Not a Mirror, But Related by another_henry · · Score: 1
      Or rather did, before they stopped doing interesting things a year or so back and started threatening to sue a guy for "stealing" an image from their website... which they turn out to have got from someone else anyway, the same guy the accused got it from!

      They are also big on posting unsubstantiated claims to the list and this has really harmed their credibility.

      --
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  20. So.... why does this happen? by mark-t · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since the site is slashdotted to the ninth circle of hell and beyond, and the google cache links don't refer to any of the theory pages, would someone be willing to explain exactly how this works and why it happens?

    1. Re:So.... why does this happen? by multipartmixed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Electrons moving in a wire exert a magnetic force.

      A lot of electrons moving in a wire exert a lot of magnetic force.

      If you use coiled wires, you get a cylindrical magnetic field.

      If you put a coin inside a coiled wire with a lot of electrons moving through it, it gets smooshed.

      --

      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    2. Re:So.... why does this happen? by yo303 · · Score: 2, Informative
      From PopSci:

      Bert's high-voltage equipment takes up most of his screened-in porch (from the looks of things, his wife drew a line at the sliding door?there's a clear border between tidy suburban house and chaotic suburban lab). Bert begins the coin-shrinking process by wrapping a quarter in copper wire and bolting the leads to copper bus bars, which are connected, by way of a triggered spark gap, to a 600-pound bank of 12,000-volt capacitors. A bulletproof blast shield encloses the coin and coil, and a high-voltage power supply charges up the capacitors. The only thing holding back the several thousand joules of energy stored in the capacitors is the tiny space between the spark gap's two brass discs.

      Pressing a switch triggers the spark gap, which releases the entire charge through the coil in 25 millionths of a second. This creates a huge magnetic field, which induces a current and then a magnetic field inside the coin, which in turn pushes back against the field outside. The repulsion force between these two fields crushes the metal, instantly taking a quarter down to the size of a dime. A large amount of energy discharged in a short amount of time usually entails an explosion, and in this case the copper coil is blown apart with a brilliant flash and a satisfying bang. And, yes, the report is sharper than any drum, proving that you really can hit something as hard with magnetic force as you can with a drumstick.

      yo.

    3. Re:So.... why does this happen? by Jardine · · Score: 1

      I wonder what would happen if this was done to a Canadian 2 dollar coin (also known as a twonee). Instead of being made with a single metal (or a bunch of metals mixed together), this coin has two seperate sections. The middle is mostly copper and the outside ring is nickel

    4. Re:So.... why does this happen? by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      American coins are sort of like this too - made of layers of differing metals or alloys. Quarters, nickels and dimes are pure copper inside, clad with a mixture of copper and nickel. Pennies are zinc plated with copper.

      I think that there is enough space between the particles in the metals at the newtonian scale that there should be no significant size difference between two different metals being shrunk by this method. At the atomic or subatomic scale, there might be a measurable difference difference, but i doubt it would be enough to affect the bond between the outer ring and the center. But who knows? It would be an interesting experiment.

    5. Re:So.... why does this happen? by no+longer+myself · · Score: 1
      I'll decent from the first reply... (no offense 0x20)

      This is just a guess, but fromt he pop-sci article (link somewhere above) the image of the shrunken penny (US) was dramatic while the image of a nickle (US) was much less so. I'd hypothesis that the copper portion would shrink at a much higher rate and fall out of the center.

      Then again, US coins aren't made of pure elements these days, so who can tell...

    6. Re:So.... why does this happen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Quarters, nickels and dimes are pure copper inside, clad with a mixture of copper and nickel. Pennies are zinc plated with copper.

      What he's referring to looks rather different: twoonie image (1 picture == 1kw). Basically, it's like there's an annular coin and a central coin inside it. Dunno if there's any way to separate them, short of dissolving one.

      The first coin of this type that I saw was the late lamented 500-lira piece. Apparently the 1-euro and 2-euro coins are also like this, but I haven't handled either of them yet.

      I think it looks kind of neat, but I don't mind the US not having one. We are very conservative with our currency design, and I like it that way.

      I think that there is enough space between the particles in the metals at the newtonian scale that there should be no significant size difference between two different metals being shrunk by this method. At the atomic or subatomic scale, there might be a measurable difference difference, but i doubt it would be enough to affect the bond between the outer ring and the center.

      You misunderstand what this process does. It squeezes the coin radially inward. It does not affect the density of the metal. (It is still an amazing thing of course.)

    7. Re:So.... why does this happen? by 0x20 · · Score: 1

      I guess I don't understand how a material can be squeezed inward without affecting its density. same mass in smaller volume = greater density, right?

    8. Re:So.... why does this happen? by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell? He's deflating US currency.

    9. Re:So.... why does this happen? by zeno_2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The coin gets a bit thicker.

    10. Re:So.... why does this happen? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      I guess I don't understand how a material can be squeezed inward without affecting its density. same mass in smaller volume = greater density, right?

      same mass in smaller area = greater thickness

      Get some play-doh. Make a cylinder. Squeeze it. Now the diameter is smaller, but it's longer. Conversely, make a disk. Slap it. Now it's got a larger area but is thinner.

      In all cases volume and density are unchanged. Unless you push it through a phase transition to a stable denser state, like carbon to diamond, when the pressure is removed it will rebound to the same volume, if not shape.

    11. Re:So.... why does this happen? by juhaz · · Score: 1

      Apparently the 1-euro and 2-euro coins are also like this, but I haven't handled either of them yet.

      They are.

      Pre-Euro Finnish 10mk coin was like this as well.

    12. Re:So.... why does this happen? by Planx_Constant · · Score: 1

      I don't remember if it was this site or not, but I remember seeing a coin like you describe that had been magnetically shrunken. The inner coin contracted more than the annulus and fell out.

      --
      Heisenberg might have been here.
  21. working link by Nf1nk · · Score: 4, Informative

    for the love of god put in a working link

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    1. Re:working link by Mark+J+Tilford · · Score: 1

      slashdot puts in occasional spaces to prevent people from adding overwide lines to pages.

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    2. Re:working link by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
      You mean like this?

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      Re:working link

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      slashdot puts in occasional spaces to prevent people from adding overwide lines to pages.

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  22. Re:drunk haiku by cpeterso · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    I am coding drunk.
    I am about to check in.
    Hope I don't fuck up.

  23. Tesla Coils and other cool stuff by Temporal+Outcast · · Score: 5, Informative
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  24. Is this legit? by adept256 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Can't you get in trouble for monkeying with currency?

    Very cool, though.

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    1. Re:Is this legit? by hyu · · Score: 1

      Never mind that. What's more important is figuring out how to keep track of your change when it gets that small. It's hard enough as it is.

    2. Re:Is this legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      No.

    3. Re:Is this legit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not sure, though I know for a fact that you can get in trouble for applying current to a monkey.

    4. Re:Is this legit? by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 1
      From parent:
      Can't you get in trouble for monkeying with currency?

      This was discussed in an earlier thread about some guys that nuked a stack of $20's looking for RFID tags (though I'm having trouble finding the article) and IIRC, the topic is dicussed here, as well.

      The Dalai Llama

      "I write messages on money. Its my own form of social protest. A letter printed on paper that no one will destroy passed indiscriminately across race, class And gender lines And written in a blood that keeps the beast alive. A Quiet little hijacking on the way to the check-out counter And a Federal crime. I hope that someone will find my message one day when they really need it. You Are Not A Slave" - some guy on the liner notes for a Rage Against the Machine Album

    5. Re:Is this legit? by Peale · · Score: 3, Informative

      U.S. Title 18, Chapter 17, Section 331: Prohibits among other things, fraudulent alteration and mutilation of coins. This statue does not, however, prohibit the mutilation of coins if done without fraudulent intent if the mutilated coins are not used fraudulently.

      See http://www.pennysmasher.com/

    6. Re:Is this legit? by ProKras · · Score: 2, Informative

      This stuff is covered in the US Code Title 18, Chapter 17 .

      Companies selling souvenir penny-pressing machines often cite Section 331, which says currency may not be defaced for fraudulant purposes. However, section 333 says that it is unlawful to alter the money "with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued." I suppose the shrunken coins would be "unfit to be reissued," but then again so would souvenir squished pennies.

    7. Re:Is this legit? by Ironsides · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Link on the RFID Cash Original: http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904rfidtagsexplode. html Sequel: http://www.prisonplanet.com/180304_RFID_article.ht ml

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    8. Re:Is this legit? by jaoswald · · Score: 2, Informative

      Section 333 refers to "National bank obligations", roughly, paper money.

      The idea behind the "fit to reissue" concept is that paper money (when the U.S. was on the gold standard) represented gold in some bank vault, and the bank printed only as many bills as it had gold. If you brought the bill back to the issuing bank, you could get the gold, if you wanted, or the bank could destroy the old bill and print a fresh one. Always preserving the link between paper money and the gold backing it.

      If you alter the bill so that the bank can't tell anymore that it is valid, or can't tell how much the bill is worth, then you've broken the link. The risk is that the bank might be fooled into printing more paper money than it has gold to back it (OH MY GOD! THE GOLD STANDARD HAS COLLAPSED! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!), or they will fail to replace a bill, meaning that there will not be as much paper money as gold. That is not a crime against the gold standard, but still causes a problem: if you run out of paper money, you have to use coins or barter, which are inconvenient, or wait for more gold to be dug out of the ground and end up in a bank vault somewhere.

      Of course, none of this gold standard nonsense applies anymore, but it is still good to have laws to protect paper money.

    9. Re:Is this legit? by sploxx · · Score: 1

      C'mon, mods, this is NOT A TROLL. This is a serious question IMHO!

    10. Re:Is this legit? by sisco · · Score: 1

      The coins would certainly be "unfit for reissue" but the line "with *intent* to render...." is a little bit vague.

      I'm sure these guys were making every effort to shrink the money without rendering them 'unfit for reissue.' So that makes it legit right?

      (laugh its funny)

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  25. How is this any different from say by OverlordQ · · Score: 2, Redundant
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  26. Does the metal become more dense? by gopher_hunt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't understand where the metal goes. Do the coins weight the same before and after?
    I was under the impression that most solids wouldn't compress this much.

    1. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The coins do in fact weigh the same after the shrinking. They actually get a little fatter in the middle but with a smaller diameter. Take a look at one of his e-bay auctions and he has a little explanation on there and a pic!

    2. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by JackpotMonkey · · Score: 0

      This would be somewhat similar to the pressures exerted onto a lump of coal to create diamons, every piece of matter has alot of airspace between its atoms, the great force created here is simply squeezing some of it out creating a denser object.

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    3. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by eclectro · · Score: 5, Informative


      What happens is the coin ends up _thicker_ than before. Because it is thicker, the coin in turn becomes smaller. The mass is indeed the same before and after.

      There is no exotic atomic manipulation going on. Not that people have tried (aka alchemy).

      Here are his ebay auctions

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    4. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by miryth · · Score: 1

      Hmm, alchemy... "Hey look, I turned this quarter into gold!" "Really? How much gold?" "Er, about 25 cents worth..."

    5. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't compress at all, they deform. The coins are thicker than they were, more of a metal slug shape. Unfortunately it's not clear in any of the popsci or ebay pictures (no side views), but it is described in the page text (mirrored in a comment here).

      Obviously "shrunk" is a bit of a misnomer, and really they're squeezed. Much the same as what happens on the railroad tracks, but on a different axis. :)

    6. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, that would be neat if:

      a) it were possible with a metal
      b) the page text didn't state "A shrunken coin weighs exactly the same as before, and its density is also unchanged. The coin does get thicker as its diameter is reduced."

    7. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
      This would be somewhat similar to the pressures exerted onto a lump of coal to create diamons, every piece of matter has alot of airspace between its atoms, the great force created here is simply squeezing some of it out creating a denser object.

      All of the above is completely wrong.

    8. Re:Does the metal become more dense? by Raffaello · · Score: 1
      every piece of matter has alot of airspace between its atoms


      That would be vacuum space, not "airspace." There is no air between the atoms of a metal solid.

  27. Other links to shrunken coins (still up) by ClockChaos · · Score: 2, Informative



    http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,1 25 43,490445,00.html

    http://home.earthlink.net/~smalldollars/dollar/a dd 005.html

  28. Shrinking the national debt... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Funny

    With some slight modifications, this technique could be used to shrink the national debt.

    1. Re:Shrinking the national debt... by eclectro · · Score: 4, Funny

      With some slight modifications, this technique could be used to shrink the national debt.

      Only if you electrocute the politicians currently in office.

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    2. Re:Shrinking the national debt... by twoslice · · Score: -1

      I wondered where you got your handle from....

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    3. Re:Shrinking the national debt... by jcuervo · · Score: 1
      With some slight modifications, this technique could be used to shrink the national debt.
      Yeah, but you'd have to run 10,000 volts through George --
      Only if you electrocute the politicians currently in office.
      -- damn, beat me to it. :P
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  29. Maybe, Just maybe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he could apply this to the record holding 0.85 HD. Then the same drive could hold the smallest and second smallest records!!

  30. How shrinking a quarter works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    * Theory of Operation
    * Results
    * EM Field Theory and Wire Fragmentation?
    * Isn't Defacing Money a Federal Crime?
    * So Who Invented this Crazy Device?
    * References

    Theory of Operation:
    The Quarter Shrinker uses a technique called high velocity electromagnetic metal forming, or "Magneforming". This technique was originally developed by the aerospace industry in conjunction with NASA, and has been popularized by Aerovox, Grumman, and Maxwell. It involves quickly discharging a high energy capacitor bank through a work coil to generate a very powerful and rapidly changing magnetic field which then "forms" the metal to be fabricated. While it works best with metals of relatively high electrical conductivity such as copper or aluminum alloys, it will work to a more limited extent with poorer conductors such as sheet steel.

    In my current system, I charge up a large capacitor bank consisting of a number of large capacitors, each weighing about 165 pounds and about 30" high x 14" wide x 8" thick. A High Voltage relay is used to connect the caps either to a high voltage DC charging supply, or to a high power bleeder resistor chain. A 15 kV 60 mA transformer and a set of 40 kV rectifiers provide the DC charging voltage for the capacitor bank. The primary of the transformer can be overdriven to 140 volts via a variable autotransformer to speed up the charging process. The electrical energy stored in the capacitor bank is proportional to the square of the bank voltage, and the degree of "shrinking" force is directly proportional to the capacitor bank's energy.

    The charged capacitor bank is quickly discharged through a single layer work coil made of heavy magnet wire. The coin is held firmly in the center of the coil by a pair of dowel rods so that it's axis of rotation is parallel to the centerline of the coil. This constrains the coin from twisting, and also helps balance the forces wanting to eject it from inside the coil. The two ends of the coil are stripped of insulation and firmly bolted to heavy copper bus bars. The high voltage "switch" that connects the capacitor bank to the work coil is actually a high power triggerable spark gap, called a "trigatron". The main gap electrodes are solid brass, 2.5" in diameter. One of the electrodes is drilled and tapped to hold the triggering electrode (actually a modified spark plug). A triggered spark gap is the only affordable device that can hold off the high voltage and then reliably and efficiently switch the high currents involved in the shrinking process (70,000 to over 100,000 amperes).

    The trigatron is fired by applying a high voltage (~40 kV) pulse to the trigger electrode, which then causes the main gap in the trigatron to ionize and fire. Once the main gap fires, current rapidly climbs in the work coil, the rate of change (di/dt) being of the order of 4-5 billion amperes/second. The natural resonant frequency of the LC circuit formed by the capacitor bank and work coil is of the order of 8-12 kHz. Through transformer action, a huge circulating current is induced in the coin, but because of skin effect, this current is confined to the outermost rim of the coin, typically penetrating to a depth of less than 0.050". In clad coins more of this circulating current flows through the better conducting copper center of the clad sandwich than in the outer layers. The coin and work coil magnetic fields oppose each other (Lenz's Law), resulting in tremendous repulsion forces between the work coil and the rim of the coin. The circulating current in the rim of the coin actually prevents the rapidly increasing magnetic field of the work coil from penetrating the interior of the coin.

    The large current that's induced into the outer rim of the coin can reach a million amperes or more! The initial bank energy is typically in the range of 3,500 - 8,500 Joules (or watt-seconds) but it is being discharged in microseconds. As a result, the instantaneous power is quite large, and for a brief instant is roughly

  31. As seen on Ebay by Jim+Buzbee · · Score: 4, Informative



    Check out the picture and prices of the some of his work on ebay

    Try slashdoting that!

  32. PC Magazine Confirms It!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    PC Magazine confirms it - Linux is dying!!!

    Linux Will Die

    It's always hard to write an obituary, especially when the subject is still alive. It's especially hard for me, because I love the little guy like a brother. But, alas, Linux will die. I was one of the first reviewers to get my hands on an early Linux distro. I compared Linux with Windows, and although I really wanted to like Windows, Linux won my heart over.

    It wasn't the cutesy mascot, although that helped. Rather, it was the over complexity and difficulty of use that even the first version evinced. And to top everything off, Linux came with the world's most rabid zealot following ever, even more astounding for such a fiendishly complex OS. Looking at the terminal, it was difficult to use, harder to understand, and a impossible to get installed.

    The Wall Street Journal's arbiter of tech--Walt Mossberg--still thinks Windows was better, and we've argued over the brilliance of the desktop. But the acid test, for me, was when I plopped Linux down in front of my computer-averse wife. She spat at me. So much, in fact, that I soon started choking.

    But Linux today has a problem--and it's not what you think. Most folks point to Linux's inability to convince consumers just how cool the product is and why they need one. Yes, it's hard to describe why a terminal is better than a GUI--until you use one. Give Linux to your friends for a month and they will hate you. Windows faces the same challenge, but that's not where the real threat lies.

    Instead, a convergence of three separate trends is conspiring to kill off Linux.

    So there it is

    PC Magazine confirms it - LINUX IS DEAD!

  33. anti-spam by mnewton32 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Please Contact Me me to discuss YOUR custom shrinking needs!

    Ah, now this is a welcome relief from all those spammers who seem to think I always need to make things bigger!

  34. Dammit by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    "Too many users attempting to access this site."

    I wanted to see his Tesla coil info. Damn.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
    1. Re:Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Why do people despise the Mac platform so much?

      perceived levels of freedom

      Back in the day, both IBM PCs and Apple Macs were closed systems, their internel workings were undocumented to the outside world. There was, however, one crucial difference. PCs set up the hardware with the BIOS and then went to disk for the OS whereas MACs booted from an internal ROM. Compaq succeeded in cloning the IBM BIOS which meant you could put an IBM floppy in a Compaq machine and it would boot. Some companies tried to clone the Mac but were slapped with lawsuits because you couldn't copy the Apple ROM. The company that supplied IBM with the stuff on their floppies was a Washington startup called Microsoft who had cunningly retained the right to ship MS-DOS seperate from a computer.

      Consequently the PC Clone market flourished and IBM lost their control over the PC Platform driving down price while driving up incompatibility. Meanwhile Apple continued to develop their platform. It was a technically superior platform with a unified graphical user interface, used Postscript for printing and SCSI for devices. This made MACs expensive when you did CPU Cycles / $. You could walk into an Apple dealer, choose the bits, go home, plug it all together and it worked whereas you would go to a PC dealer tell him what you want and he's spend a few days building it and battling to get the bits talking to each other but when you got it home it worked.

      Because it was difficult to build and maintain PCs, their builders and maintainers looked down on the MAC, it wasn't as fast for the same $, was too easy to use, you didn't have to take the case to pieces to add a peripheral and the only people you knew who had them were too rich to deserve them.

      As the builders and maintainers of the PCs of everyone in their social circle, the non-techies trusted the techies opinion, parroting the same lame arguments in PCs vs MACs arguments the world over.

  35. -1 Fucking Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Who cares if it has been said yet in response to this story, any joke about servers or bandwidth has been made at least 10,000 times before.

    Please stop these jokes - really, I'm begging you.

  36. My UID is lower than yours by Shoeboy · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Now I don't mean to imply that my penis is larger than yours or that my opinons are more valid. Only that I've had my account longer than you've had yours. This makes me better than you.

    That is all.

    --Shoeboy

  37. Site slash doted by NIK282000 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    It might be my finiky pc but i think we just /.ed another site. Great topic though.

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  38. Google Image Cache by YearOfTheDragon · · Score: 3, Informative
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  39. Everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Get off the site, I wanna look.

  40. What about us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    What about the vast majority of e-mail users who have Outlook [Express] on Windows. When will a plugin be designed and ported which will work with these clients?

    -- paper

  41. Re:Umm... what's the definition of spam? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    You miss the point. You teach dspam what you do and don't want to see, so ultimately you decide.

    Outlook is like what you fear; Microsoft decides what you will and won't see. I can add specific senders to the black and white lists (you click to add to the blacklist, but you have to type in an address to add it to the whitelist -- stupid MS shits), but Microsoft decides if I can see that attachment (if they think it's bad, it's gone and I can't recover it) or if this email's spam (it regularly discarded stuff from IBM Developer Works until I added them to my whitelist). With a tool like dspam I can regain control over what gets filtered (although I've found no way to turn off Outlook's attachment blocking).

  42. What we say in Cyberspace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    I have always considered comments that are said on newsgroups and forums to be personal opinions of the sort one might overhear in a bar, so if you say "Apple nicked all thier ideas from PARC" you would not suddenly expect a summons from Apples legal department.

    On the contary, if a site passes itself as an "eNewspaper" site, an eMag or whatever, and it publishes mistruths, then I would expect it to be sued as any pulp publication would be.

    Are there any legal precedents or specific laws on this?

  43. Horrible Name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I really do wish mickysoft would rename their flagship database something else. Are they that arrogant that they feel the need for such a generic name? That's about like naming your product "Web Server" or "Network File Server". When someone mentions SQL server, I always have them clarify whether or not they are talking in general terms for some sort of relational backend, or are they referring to microsoft's product. Sometimes they don't even know the difference, but perhaps that is microsoft's end goal.

  44. Re:True by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Cheaper version of Windows? I think it will be funny if MS sells the new version for the same price and just tells them the player was a freebie.

  45. Article Repost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    One of the best-known and most ambitious music programs for GNAA/Linux is the LilyPond score engraving system. Unlike other typesetting software like Finale or Sibelius, LilyPond is not a score editor, and it has no GUI -- instead it aims to start from a simple textual description of the music and turn it into the highest possible quality output, automatically.

    LilyPond is the result of several years of work by Han-Wen Nienhuys and Jan Nieuwenhuizen. In this extensive interview, GNAA/Linux Musician's Chris Cannam talks to them about recent and future directions for the project.

    Chris: I recently found a file of music examples I had printed out from LilyPond, probably in 1998. The LilyPond printouts looked less professional than they would be today, but many of the capabilities of today's software were in place. What have you been doing for the last six years?

    Han-Wen: About five years ago we were working up to release 1.0. Our target was to have a usable program that could produce basic music notation, where we defined "basic" as "whatever is in our set of simple test pieces", and usable was "will not dump core, mostly."

    We succeeded, but of course it didn't work very well for things that weren't in our test-pieces. By that time, we were also reaching the bounds of what was possible in our model of notation, an object-oriented model, hard-coded in C++. So we decided to integrate the GNU's GUILE library, a Scheme interpreter which was specifically designed to extend programs. We spent the next two to three years refactoring our C++ code into Scheme functions. This resulted in a more flexible, more efficient and better maintainable program.

    "We knew what 'publication quality' engraving meant, and were determined to perfect Lily into producing that."

    The second big change was catalyzed by an invitation to join a workshop in Firenze, Italy, organized by Nicola Bernardini of AGNULA fame, then director of Centro Tempo Reale. At the workshop we met Nicola, a few top-notch engravers, and an editor for Universal Edition, an Austrian publisher that does a lot of contemporary music. We had the chance to discuss LilyPond with several experts. On the one hand, we were thrilled that they took us seriously, but on the other hand they pointed to several inadequacies in our output. We arrived back home a great deal wiser.

    We knew what "publication quality" engraving meant, and were determined to perfect Lily into producing that. Since we like hand-engraved music, we started reproducing simple pieces in LilyPond and comparing the output side-by-side. By doing close comparisons, we learned how music should really look, and we fixed all the deficiencies that we found.

    In anything that you write, there will always be a neat, simple, small idea that is obscured by crufty implementation, bad design or suboptimal algorithms. According to me, the real art of programming is recognizing the neat idea, and being ruthless enough to redo all the other bad bits. Since we're writing new code all the time, we also have continue to refactoring everything, and this how we have spent the last few years: coding new stuff, and refactoring old stuff.

    We also did a lot with the documentation. Some of our users complain about the current documentation, and they're probably right, but what we have now is light-years ahead of the manual a few years ago.

    Your website features an essay on music typesetting that is quite critical of other software, with an entertaining piece of bad typesetting from Finale. You make an effort to explain that it isn't just an exceptional example -- but surely if programs like Finale and Sibelius are so widely used by good musicians, they can't really be that bad?

    The default output of Finale is indeed shockingly bad, which is why almost all other vendors routinely compare their packages to Finale. Of course, that's why we use it too. The default layout of Sibelius is not very elegant, but at least it's usable. A Sibelius sampl

  46. not only hardware... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How about Oracle asking for MySQL to remove their stats from the benchmark table

    "Note that Oracle is not included because they asked to be removed. All Oracle benchmarks have to be passed by Oracle! We believe that makes Oracle benchmarks very biased because the above benchmarks are supposed to show what a standard installation can do for a single client."

  47. Ugh... this is like betamax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Guys, I am a professional musician who occasionaly makes a few hundred bucks setting out of print scores to finale or sibeleus. I also use linux, and like the open source model.

    The problem is that programmers arent creative in this department... those coders all work at apple.

    This is never going to get off the ground, and is a hindrance to the adoption of linux by musicians, when in reality things like jack, ardour, and alsa make it an excellent platform for creative types, a la Pd, miller puckette's wonderful synthesis program.

    The developers seem to be focusing on making things "right" and in a description language. Fine, but i dont see how this is going to help inspire musicians to use this arcane latex garbage to print out a set of exercises. Most of my musician friends cant even use finale well, so how can one expect the same of this program.

    On the other hand, if your objective is to create a framework for music notation software, midi in, etc, etc, then you need to work with people in that community so that you can have more attention and people drawn to that project.

    As it stands now, this software is like enlightenment 17... by the time it gets ready, all the interested people and developers will have gone elsewhere or vanished in disgust.

  48. Re:Precedent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I don't think that's the point... there are other laws as well that aren't the same as the states. For example here in Canada you are allowed to download MP3's... just not upload them...

    But if US law took priority we'd be extraditing lots of Canadians to be tried in US courts for copyright infringment even though it's perfectly legal here in Canada...

    Or something totaly different... it's legal to smoke pot here in Canada... if US law took priority then we'd be extradited to the US for enjoying a bud...

    Different countries different laws... why should we be arrested and extradited for laws of other countries if we broke none in our own? (And have never stepped foot in the other country even) That would be like arresting all those downloading pr0n and extraditing them to Iran or something because it violates Islamic laws of decency...

    Just my two cents...

    Addbo

  49. Re:What about Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    ... because Apple is not a monopoly, period.

  50. Re:It's more than just the engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I had a problem with my '99 cavalier; the engine would drop it's RPMs by several hundred every once in a while; almost, but not quite, enough to stall.

    Took it in to the dealer, they said 'is the check engine light on?'

    'Nope,' I replied, 'but here's what it's doing...'

    'Sorry,' came the reply. 'If the check light's not on, there's no diagnostic codes for us to look up. We can't fix it unless we know what's wrong.'

  51. Ozzy Osbourne says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    All aboard the crazy train.

  52. Google not a validation of data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The reviewer said all data came from the manufacturer's public information & Google. Finding it on Google doesn't validate the data. You need to look at the site that Google sends you too, validate that it is a trustworthy site which has information that you can use.

  53. I'd say it's overblown except by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    that almost nobody is really taking this seriously, so the lack of interest in space defense seems about right to me. The human species has survived 2 million years without going the way of the dinosaur. It seems like there are many reasons to not stress out about this:
    • Low risk/reward ratio, public money is much better spent elsewhere. If someone else wants to spend their money on this, more power to them.
    • Our technology is very rapidly advancing, especially relative to the amount of time that passes (on average) between significant asteroid hits. 100 years ago we were completely helpless. 50 years ago, we had nukes, but no missles that were even close to being able to deliver them, in another 50 or 100 years, this may be a yawner due to general technology advances.

    To be completely flippant (and yes, I do realize there is a risk, I just think it is relatively low)... boring! I just hope this doesn't turn into another cause where misguided celebrities drive us into spending money on it disproportionally like certain trendy diseases.

  54. Re:Pack the bags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Forget mapping it, actually play in it! That complex is just screaming out to be used as a paintball/laser tag arena. Imagine the orange warning lights spinning around and a computerised female voice 'Thirty seconds till missile launch' over the sound system.

    Hell, with the strength of the pound against the dollar even I might buy it! $3,950,000 that's like, what, 2 grand of my money? (just getting one back for the Canadians)

  55. Just Because of Linus Torvalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I think transmeta is loved by geek community just because of Linus Torvalds connection.

    Their first chip Crusoe, although saving power, underperformed badly. And the Efficeon doesn't look fast compared to its rivals. The Efficeon TM 8000 can do 1.1GHz consuming 7W. Intel's Pentium M does 1.7GHz for the same power consumption.

    I don't think there's anything particularly cool about this news. It is the same as the discovery of the new planet. There are better ones already out there.

    1. Re:Just Because of Linus Torvalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      I very much doubt your Pentium M numbers. Why else would e.g. Samsung need to permanently activate the cooling fan on its Pentium M notebooks when running without battery, whereas the Efficeon doesn't even need a fan.
      And saying just because the TM5600 (oldest Crusoe) was slow the Efficeon is also slow, is like saying just because the K-6 was slow the Athlon64 is also slow.

  56. Re:Why wouldn't I want windows to play back videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Because PCs are very versatile, your DVD player is disigned to do a total of perhaps three things (and you do have to install "software" each time you put in a disc happily it is very standardized). Your PC can do many many more, and the things you want to do out of the box, may well be very different from the things I want mine to do out of the box. One of us might want to download music the other rips it. One of us might play FPS, the other wants to play bejeweled and browse slashdot. One of us might work in word processors, the other spreadsheets, and another guy might only want to use a text editor and compier. Each of these tasks requires a special addition to our generic tool, and we might not care about being able to do the things that the other tools allow us to potentially do. That's why you have to install software on your computer, the alternative is buying a task specific computer (a developer workstation, gamer's box, office machine, network terminal, but each of these would require that the seller know all the software you plan to use for the life of the computer.

  57. Blazingly high? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Is it really all that much faster than the Crusoe? I've got a Sony Vaio C1MW with an 866 MHz Crusoe in it and it's just barely fast enough as it is.

    - A.P.

  58. API availability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The advisory committee is expected to approve a remedy requiring the U.S. firm to share more of its protocols with rivals, charging a reasonable royalty. It will be left to Microsoft to work out the precise solution, with close oversight by the Commission, the sources said.

    If Microsoft is still allowed to demand royalties for sharing API's and protocols (no matter how 'reasonable'), the sanctions will still be useless to Open Source and Free Software developers. What good is this to the SAMBA team? And you can forget about Red Hat finally adding NTFS-compatibility to its distributions! >:(

  59. Re:On top of existing EU sanctions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I can't believe this is marked as insightful. For the record:

    The EU decided to impose sanctions on the U.S. for giving tax preferences to exporters after the World Trade Organization repeatedly ruled this out of bounds.

    The tax breaks, now known as the extraterritorial income exclusion, were designed to offset the perverse effects of U.S. high tax rates and system of world-wide taxation. This system handicaps U.S. firms competing against foreign counterparts whose governments tax only their home income.

    Even though the Europeans themselves rebate value-added taxes on their exports, they decried the U.S. tax breaks as unfair and won their case at the WTO.

    That decision was disturbing on several levels, not least because it is part and parcel of a wider European effort to stifle tax competition..

  60. Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Just tell them you need a quote... that you need to ensure that you have the money right now to be able to repair it.

    It's perfectly reasonable to, once they've given you the quote, to also tell you what all is wrong with your car. Tell them you'd need to think about it, as if this is going to put a bit of crimp in your budget for this month, and say you'll get back to them as soon as you've worked out the details.

    Trot down to your favorite small shop mechanic and ask him how much he'd charge to do exactly the job that the other guys said needed to get done. You tell him that the dealership has already given you a quote for $X, and the problem has been diagnosed by them. Odds are he'll undercut them. If not, just go back to the dealership... you're SOL.

    If your mechanic guy has offered to do the repairs, then you go back to the dealership and tell them that you just can't swing that kind of money this month. Then you take your car to little guy's shop and have it repaired there.

    Funny thing is, if enough people did this, the little guys would learn what the diagnosis codes meant because they'd get customers coming in telling them what was already wrong, and the mechanics could start matching up codes to real problems.

    Now the question is, is the above method, using strictly social engineering, still considered a violation of the DMCA?

  61. What?? Reviews are rigged? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The manufacturers are dictating what is revealed so they don't look bad?? Who would have ever thought.. I'm shocked.

  62. Re:Alternative Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Artificial lips as subtle as human lips
    The 35kg as yet unnamed robot has artificial lips which can alter their position as subtly as human lips as air is forced through them, enabling it to play a trumpet as it presses the stops with its hands."

    Am I the only one wondering...

  63. Re:Not real bright, is he... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Except that it's not actually an auction. I made the same mistake (hey, it's EBay), but there's no place to enter a bid and if you look down at the bottom it says:

    "This listing is an advertisement. There is no bidding! If you are interested in this property, you may contact the seller/agent to request additional information."

    Which is probably smart. If it were an auction, it'd have eleventy-million fake bids by now.

    It also tends to indicate that this is a real property. If it was just someone goofing around, it'd be an auction. That's not strong evidence, but it's certainly an indication.

  64. Magneforming by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Magneforming is a routine industrial operation. Because it produces a true radially symmetrical squeezing force, it's often used for operations that involve compressing a tube around something. I first saw it used in making hydraulic valve bobbins. These have a machined metal core with "piston rings" compressed around key areas.

    Magneforming is just another less-common metalworking techniques. Others include hydroforming, water jet cutting, spinning, and blowing.

  65. Nano-ITX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The upcoming Nano-ITX boards should offer even more flexibility for this type of design.. It's smaller, takes less power, and runs cooler. It also takes DC power, so you don't need to mess with the ATX -> DC/DC converter stuff that the Mini-ITX requires (although, there is supposed to be a DC Mini-ITX board coming out).

    The down-side is that these have been announced for several months, but are still not available for purchase.

  66. I thought this was illegal? by brucmack · · Score: -1, Redundant

    This is certainly quite cool, but I thought it was illegal to tamper with currency like this? And to sell it afterwards would make things worse if that is the case... Perhaps I am mistaken or confusing American laws with another country's, however.

    1. Re:I thought this was illegal? by sisco · · Score: 1

      refer to posts further up the page. we had a nice little discussion about it, and somebody found the actual quotes of some of the laws.

      are we sick or what? :-)

      --
      DATA comments; PROC SORT DATA = comments BY score; PROC DELETE comments >> 1; RUN; DATA entertainment SET commen
    2. Re:I thought this was illegal? by sjames · · Score: 1

      Once and for all, it's only illegal if done fraudulantly. In other words, you can alter the coin in any way you like as long as you don't try to pass it off as anything else.

      So, re-forming a half dollar into a dollar coin is a crime. Re-forming it into a shrunken coin or a ring, stamping someone else's face on it, etc and selling it as a novelty is not.

  67. Re:Use in sports? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Ummm how about we use this to monitor all the athleets to see if any are using "performance enhancing drugs". it's a monitoring not enhancing thing

  68. Re:I still prefer tougher email security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Evolution of email is difficult even in theory.

    The authentication is useless even if implemented - you want to receive email from strangers, that's what all businesses are doing. If you are not one of them and only converse with your buddies, make a whitelist and be done - no spammer will guess your friends' emails.

    Permissions to send email are also troublesome. If they are automated, then spam robots will be written to ask for permission first. If they are not automated... but how would you know if some random "John X. Frisby" <jfrisby@big.provider.net> is really who he is, and the matter he wants to discuss with you is not a bug in your Loafizer 0.99 script for your bread making machine, but a placebo enlargement pill. Additionally, permissions delay the mail exchange, which is bad for business.

    There are ways to block anyone you don't want, and all other senders are legit (until they spam you, that is.)

    So the problem is quite different, as you can see. There is a free channel of marketing, and spammers will be using it until it remains a) free and b) channel. Remove any one of those two, and they will close up the shop.

  69. Berne Convention and copyright lengths online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Copyright law in individual countries is usually relatively clear. However, the interactions of the copyright laws of different jurisdictions are often a legal minefield.

    What is the best general rule for dealing with 'odd' copyright lengths such as Crown copyright, 50 years from date of publication in general, in countries like the US which have not adopted the Berne Convention rule of shorter term?

  70. Re:I still prefer tougher email security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  71. Okaaaaayyy... by Xenographic · · Score: 1, Funny

    Err, how exactly does one do that with a Tesla coil?

    Shock the employees at your ISP until they upgrade your services?

    Or have you been playing too much Starcraft? :]

  72. Kind of sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    that it takes the EU to reign in our rogue corporation, makes me sad the DoJ didn't go further.

    And I'm not sure why anyone would post that this isn't fair, if you can't see MS is once leveraging it's desktop monopoly to control yet another market, you are blind or at least obtuse. Do we really want another Netscape on our hands, it's taken 5 years for the likes of Mozilla, FireFox and Safari to revive browser innovation while IE 6 has remained a stagnant, insecure and non-compliant piece of junk. Killing competition in browsers hurt the web, although it will be years before the useless business analyst get around to acknowledging this. We don't want the same thing to happen in media players/codecs, instant messaging or a raft of other technologies. Time to stop MS now. And vote with your damn wallets, if you don't like what MS does then switch to Mac OS X or GNAA/Linux and put your money where your mouth is!

  73. maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    all this slipage is a cover for the fact that ms has been listening to it's customers ( forced by some healthy oss pressure ) 1: we don't want to be forced into upgrade cycles every 12 months. enterprise systems don't work that way. 2: take the time and fix the damn bugs. we are paying for this shit lets see it work properly.

  74. My god by rune2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    We've even Slashdotted the pics on the cached sites! Looks like the quarters aren't the only thing being crushed. I'm sure the webservers have imploded by now...

  75. Re:Coffee and music -- Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    The biggest practical problem with selling custom CDs is that it takes time. I mean most of us get annoyed waiting for our 'coffee like beverage' from vending machines.

    In reality the casual-cup-time should nicely eliminate the percieved lack of instant gratification.

  76. Python already has that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    here you go autocompletion in the editor is availible in vim here
  77. Conceptually interesting, but economically sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I admit I am a coffee addict; and although I like to frequent a variety of coffee shops, I frequrntly find myself in Starbucks. I don't know how many years they have been selling CD's at the register, but I do know that in the almost 10 years I've been going to Starbucks, I have only bought one CD. This is significant considering I am sure I'm in their target audience (I am 21 -- and yes, that means I started going to Starbucks when I was 11). I listen to a lot of music and have literally hundreds of CD's, but I do not associate Starbucks with music. I do not see this as getting Starbucks any more customers and if they charge even $10/CD it is beyond the price of an impulse buy (esp. for most college students). Another issue I have with it is that I don't know how they wiill store the music, but I personally wouldn't pay for CD burned with music once stored in a lossy format (like AC3 or MP3). I would hope (but highly doubt) that they keep the music in SHN format (lossless) and just unshorten and burn the files then reshorten them. I must admit, this probably won't keep the people who buy CD's off of iTunes from buying them, but it does eliminate some of their audience.

  78. That's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Because SQL Server 2000 is pretty much the best database around for the price.

    Who needs all that integrated.NET stuff anyway?

    1. Re:That's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      As technically inferior MySQL is to Postgres, MySQL has a few major things going for it that ensure it's niche.

      1. Easy to install on Windows. The average coder at a Windows-only farm can easily run the executable and have the latest version running on their developer box. Not all companies allow you to have multiple boxes, and many force you (via draconion security measures) to only run windows with certain software installed. Postgres NEEDS a user-friendly Win32 installer, perhaps with a similar info-item like MySQL has. This is a MUST for companies to start to take notice. Then, a PHB can even play with it and like it.

      2. Marketing. While open-source, MySQL has a nice marketing engine behind it. A beautiful webpage, online and PRINT adds, and magazine and newspaper articles CONSTANTLY writing about the "little database that could" every few week / months. Postgres needs to start getting the word out, and hype it a little. Just because a product is superior, doesn't mean it will thrive. There are tons of examples out there: Beta vs VHS, Windows vs OS X, etc. For a database to be used, it must be allowed and "signed off" by a manager of some sort. Most will take reputation + support + "ooh, nice webpage" over a product that might be better, but they know nothing about it.

      3. More management tools. MySQL has a couple out there that look and run great; very professional looking. This earns respect from PHB's, as they are easily misled by such niceties.

      Don't get me wrong. MySQL is nice, but doesn't have what I need most (Views, triggers, etc). Postgres may not be perfect, but I think it is superior. We just need to get the word out to those "not in the know".

  79. Bayesian Unsupervised Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    FYI, modern MRI scanners use bayesian noise reduction during image processing. I used to work in a MRI research laboratory, and our director had pioneered the application of Bayesian noise-filtering algorithms in post-processing of image data.

    Oddly enough, our director of research was notoriously difficult person to schedule a meeting with. Makes me wonder about 'unsupervised learning'...

  80. Re:Fucktard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Getting real tired of reading this left-wing bullshit. Give one iota of proof please. THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IS NOT THAT POWERFUL. In the end it won't be some freigner that brings this country down. It'll be dome dumbfuck like you thinking he knows better!


    You see, everyone, what the right wing firebrands have to resort to? They don't have a calm, rational argument to make, so they resort to namecalling and hate speech. Harldy makes my job difficult. I just make an observation and let the right-wingers bury themselves under a pile of invectives.

    I refer to the presidential administration as the "Bush Admin," hardly inflammatory, and this guy refers to me as "Fucktard." That's really persuasive. Wow, what a compelling argument. Your point is the more valid one because I'm a "fucktard."

    As far as the proof you ask for, the post I'm replying to is proof enough. The US is trying to get someone sent over here to face charges related to internet crimes, so I don't see why it's so far fetched that they'd send someone abroad for the same reason. It certainly would put the fear of God into every American adult site operator, and it would win massive kudos from the AFA and Christian Coalition. Of course, making Christian websites available would also be a crime in the MIddle East, but there'd be an exception made in the law for that.
  81. This product lacks focus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This product lacks focus," said Betsy Burton, analyst with the Gartner Group. "They're doing all sorts of stuff with it, first scalability was the issue, then XML support, then.Net activities, and then business intelligence and now security. The gut issue is, what is the purpose of this release? As a team trying to develop a product you have to know where you're going," she said.

    This is the paragraph that explains it all. This product lacks focus. Why? Who knows? But if you cannot give your troops clear, concise goals, then everyone will go in a million different directions. And nothing will get done!

    When this project first started out, it may have had the clear, concise goals. But then they started to add extra things to the project as it progressed. Sometimes adding a new feature or what-not means starting from scratch (if you wanna do it right).

    If MS wants to do this right (and not delay the shipping date), then they should put a freeze on adding new features. Otherwise, it will either slip again, or a critical flaw will be found with the software.

    My $0.02

  82. Re:I don't get Congress. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Nobody's getting shut out of the DVD player business.

    Perhaps you missed the whole DeCSS issue? "Without licensed DVD players for GNAA/Linux and other operating systems, an entire class of computer users is completely cut off from viewing DVDs."

  83. Re:The Ballad of Matthew Dillon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    There once was a fellow named Dillon,
    He cried, "That's not me!"
    "I use BSD!"
    "Because I find it fulfillin'."

    W

  84. Re:whew! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    My very educated mother just sent us nine pizzas, sucka - Mr. T

  85. -1, EAT MY FUCKING SHIT, SELFISH TEABAGGER. FUCKO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
  86. US debut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The new Muramasa has been out in Japan since January. It has had some nice reviews and keeps up well with Pentium-M modells of similar clock speed (see this Japanese review). And it is much cheaper.

  87. How Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Am I really getting so old that the majority of Slashdot readers were in diapers when Transmeta came out of the closet and hence need a "reminder" of what the Crusoe chipset is all about. How depressing.:(

  88. shade tree mech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This is good news for those of us who like to tinker with our cars, too. A while back I looked into available OSS interfaces to various models. It was a moot search. You ought to be able to plug your friggin' car into the serial port of your laptop and run diagnostics on emissions, compression, etc., as a matter of course.

    It should also be noted that legislation addressing this issue was originally championed by the late Sen. Paul Wellstone of MN.

    It should also remind us how close we are to similarly prescribed access to the internals of a general purpose computer. Wouldn't some interests like to see a *No user serviceable parts inside. Opening case voids any warranties or EULAs associated with this machine.* sticker on your next box.

  89. Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It's a free email service.

    I'm sure RMS would disagree with you.

  90. Whoa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "The wires can stretch to over half their original length."

    Is it me, or does this violate some law of grammar, physics, or both?

  91. Goes together like chocolate and peanut butter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Coffee makes me go poo and burning CDs at Starbucks sounds like a crappy idea.

  92. What happened to the naming convetion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I thought planets were Roman gods. It's not even like we've run out of them. We can still find Vulcan (Mulciber if you want to avoid rabit Trekkies), Juno, Minerva, Apollo (You can call this one Phoebus if you want to avoid confusing it with space probes), Diana, Vesta.

    And that's before you start getting slightly obscure ones like Janus, Bacchus (Or Liber), Fanus, Quirinus, Pomona, or Vertumnus.

  93. Why Analysts Suck. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    from the article Some think Microsoft has bitten off more than it can chew with Yukon. "This product lacks focus," said Betsy Burton, analyst with the Gartner Group. "They're doing all sorts of stuff with it, first scalability was the issue, then XML support, then.Net activities, and then business intelligence and now security. The gut issue is, what is the purpose of this release? As a team trying to develop a product you have to know where you're going," she said

    Betsy clearly has no clue regarding the SQL Server product's evolution, capabilites or how these are going to change with Yukon. In fact she seems to have a very limited grasp of significance of the Yukon's release.

    Unlike Oracle, SQL Server has basically hovered in the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" pattern for the last 5 years. For the most part it has delivered a decent database platform, that was for a while more cost effective than oracle. Those who have used SQL Server extensively know it's limitations. Betsy's arguments about "product lacking focus" are rediculous. That's primarily becuase Yukon seeks to rectify a large number of the problems and limitations of SQL Server 2k. It's really very difficult to provide a "focused" look at a product that is changing so significantly. In fact, her complaint is very similar to those that were uttered as Microsfot was trying to formalize the definition of.NET, which really has not clarified itself much in the last two years.

    It would seem that Betsy is looking for are a few jargon sound bytes that can be displayed on a single powerpoint slide. That slide would then be shown to a bunch of people who nod their head and say, "that's a sound strategic driection". Big idea's aren't sound bytes.

    Unfortunately for Microsoft, they are attempting to be ambitious with Yukon. A lot of new plumbing is going in, as well as a refinement and crystalization of the current features such as SQL -> XML queries, DTS, Replication, the integration of a first class programming language among others. These are all features that we've needed for a long time.

    Yukon represents a significant change in the world of RDMS's on the Windows platform. It's sad to see that influential groups such as Gartner can't recognize or have the vision to see how much (and for the better) things are going to change for SQL Server 2K shops.

  94. fining companies does nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic


    you think MS will reduce margins if they get fined or will they pass that cost to the customer either indirectly (format lockin/upgrades etc) or directly via product price increases ?

    doesn't really take a MBA to work out what they will do, fining them will not punish them at all, especially with the worlds richest people at the helm.

  95. Re:Let's draw a line in the sand... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Too good to pass up...

    Redmond city limits?

  96. Re:Very cool, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Something to consider about Japan and their rise in technology, is that since the end of WWII, they haven't had a military to take up financing, (or resources, or R&D, etc..) thus leaving the government, and the culture as a whole, to focus on something else...like business and technology.

  97. Starbucks sells coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I always thought they were selling milk, sugar and "lifestyle" with some kind of dark caffeinated substance occasionally thrown in.

  98. Askemos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I spent the better part of three year implementing a fault tollerant programming environment and released it under GPL. Please visit Askemos to find it.

  99. Re:Very cool, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Ford and GM don't have to innovate because the prices of Japanese cars are artifically high in the U.S. due to taxes on imports designed to "level the playing field."

    We don't need to have all these tariffs on products imported from countries that have the same standard of living that we do. The Japanese work hard, yes, but they are paid first world salaries so if the prices of their automobiles is low, it is because they are damn good at building cars and if they want to work a little harder than us to do it, more power to them.

    On the other hand cars imported from Mexico (like the VW I drive) are produced at the expense of some Mexican making 70 cents an hour. We can't have free trade in this scenerio or we'll all be living in cardboard lean-tos just like our counterparts south of the border.

  100. Re:This is news??? Who the fuck cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Allowing a system as large as Hotmail to completely fail is a MAJOR technical screw-up. It would be an interesting and embarrassing story no matter what OS it's running or who is in charge of it. Especially from a sysadmin point of view, it's a big deal. While it's obviously not important to you, it's anything but trivial.

    It makes me smile that it never went down when it was running on FreeBSD (shameless advocacy), although, to be fair, this incident was almost certainly due to an architectural weakness or network hardware failure and not an OS issue. I guess we'll never know...

  101. No reason to force them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    It is a good idea. It happened with IE and should happen with any other Windows endorsed products. There is no reason to ship them pre-installed. The argument that GNAA/Linux do that is false because XMMS and The Gimp are seperate entities from the distribtuion.

  102. Re:Media player an essential part of the OS??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    IIRC, that's basically what the Commission said - right after RealNetworks demonstrated how to strip WMP from the OS. I'm amazed MS even bothered claiming it - I can only surmise that (a) they have non-geek lawyers or, (b) "we tried that lie with IE, and the dumb judge bought it, so let's try it again and see if we befuddle those dumb Euros".

  103. Re:The way to a better dance pad! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    OT but... Get a hard pad, or a RedOctane 2.0 I weigh 240lbs, and that RedOctane keeps taking a beating without fail on 9 footers.

  104. Is there any hope? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    By the time your daughter grows up, do you think there will be any of our cherished freedoms on the Internet left, or will everything be wrapped in legalese and DRM? With the passage of laws from the DMCA to the PATRIOT act, I've been increasingly pessimistic about the US's ability to pass any sane legislation that interfaces with the Internet...

  105. Many Other Riscs for Website Owners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I have never got a request from a hardware manufacturer to beautify anything related to them at TuxMobil - GNAA/Linux On Mobile Computers. There are other legal issues, which may occure in an instant. For example if some lawyer accuses a website owner not to obey certain legal requirements. At least in some countries (e.g. Germany) a dedicated law for internet content exists.

  106. Fair Use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How long do you predict it will be before all rights to fair use are vanquished from the Internet?

  107. Just Because of Linus Torvalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I think transmeta is loved by geek community just because of Linus Torvalds connection.

    Their first chip Crusoe, although saving power, underperformed badly. And the Efficeon doesn't look fast compared to its rivals. The Efficeon TM 8000 can do 1.1GHz consuming 7W. Intel's Pentium M does 1.7GHz for the same power consumption.

    I don't think there's anything particularly cool about this news. It is the same as the discovery of the new planet. There are better ones already out there.

  108. Market for video playing software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I'm sure the average windows user wouldn't want to have to play around with selecting/installing video playback software when all they want to do is playback a clip they've downloaded.
    The same could be said for browsers, word processors, graphical tools, video editing software... hell, you could say the same for opererating systems: the average computer buyer doesn 't want the hassle of having to install Windows, just give him Windows right out of the box. What is that you say? There are alternatives to Windows? Well I never...

    Of course it's convenient to get all of that stuff included with your operating system. But if you remember, there used to be a market for things like browsers and video playback software. That market is all but gone, thanks to Microsoft including these products with their OS. I know, there is something called Mozilla for us staunch MS-haters. But good luck trying to sell (or even give) your alternative browser to the public at large.

    I don't feel too bad about MS including such things with their OS, even though I am sure producers of, say, video editing software are having nightmares about MS including that functionality with Windows in a few years time. it's hard to draw the line: sure, no one would argue against operating systems needing a decent file manager, for example. Yet people used to make a living developing and selling separate file managers, a long time ago.

    What I do have a problem with, is that MS sometimes not just includes browsers and video software with the OS, but made sure that it was rather hard to install an alternative product as well. That is what they should be punished for... but this ruling doesn't really accomplish that. As far as browsers and video playback software is concerned, it's all water under the bridge, and you correctly note that it will be consumers who will be hurt by removing these from the OS. MS probably doesn't care a great deal.

    I would have preferred a big fine for MS, to make it clear what is unacceptable behaviour. It has to hurt if it's to heal.
  109. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I'm feeling like I could be the 6 trillion dollar man any year now... between this, powered exoskeletal legs, I'll be a super sapper in no time. I wonder how much of this my beloved US Army has actually looked into.

  110. Re:Pre-emptive anti-slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    GEEZ, atleast include the proper links. Or were you just rushing to get that karma?

    Change your content, or else: Manufacturer's demanding content changes is nothing new in the tech site community. We take a look at this topic, including one very public example that started in the past three weeks.

    Date: March 15, 2004
    Manufacturer: N/A
    Written By: Hubert Wong

    Just under a year ago, we provided some insight on the inner workings of running a tech site. Yes, there are thousands of sites out there, and despite the diversity, there are several constants in our universe... costs, advertising, readership, and most important of all, integrity.

    Running a site, especially a tech site, isn't free and there are plenty of costs involved. Everything from the hardware purchases (not everything is free, which is a general misconception I think), to the server and bandwidth... it all has a price.

    This is where advertising comes in. If the site is lucky enough, advertising will net a nice income each month, but for a greater number of owners, they'll be lucky if it helps them break even.

    Of course, an advertiser is not going to consider a site that doesn't meet their traffic requirements. Readership is what makes our world go round. Without our loyal readers, VL wouldn't be where it is today, and I would say that the same goes for the majority of sites out there.

    Casual readers come and go, but a loyal reader is somebody that means a lot to a site. It's common knowledge that most sites track their traffic. This gives us an idea of trends, and how to cater our content. We're not too concerned about our uniques a day, but rather our bookmarks and returns. People who bookmark and/or return multiple times a day make up a site's readership. Uniques are new visitors who either stop and go, or decide to stay. What turns a unique visitor into a regular reader? Content? Yes. Attention to detail? Sure thing. Integrity? Nobody likes a site that lies about a product just to suck up, right?

    Granted, the last point isn't something that is respected by a great number of sites (the actual number is more than you think), but the site's I do frequent on a regular basis (Ed. Note: Including our own:D) do try hard to stick with their journalistic integrity. There are instances though where manufacturers will try to influence a site's review. Sadly, this happens quite often, and it becomes a problem when this influence attempts to change a writer's perception of the product. This is something site owners need to deal with constantly, and yes, here at VL we've been asked to have a change of heart on more than one occasion. Errors or omissions happen, and we're more than happy to make amendments, but as a reader, you can rest assured knowing we'll never mislead you because somebody asked us to so they can improve sales.

    Luckily, most Tier-1 manufacturers; i.e., the ones who have a good amount of exposure within the enthusiast community, do respect a journalist's right for free speech. Sure, even some of the big dogs take issue with what we in the community say, but that's the price of exposing yourself with press releases. Whether a product is released and performs less than expected, or

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  111. google news headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Google news has been running the headline:

    "Microsoft restores faulty Hotmail service"

    I thought that said it all.

  112. funny little story by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ha ha, funny little story about our twoonies. When they began to make them, there was something wrong in the design -- maybe the join between the annulus and the inner coin wasn't as tight as they'd intended, or maybe the composition of metals wasn't quite right, but when they got too cold the inside would contract faster than the outside, and the coins would fall apart.

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  113. Re:Long-term investing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The cost of advertising of a newly approved drug is a VERY SMALL drop in the bucket compared to the cost to develop and push a drug through clinical trials and all the red tape the FDA has constructed.

    Your typical drug, say Viagria, starts as a base compund. Normally there are over 100,000 or more base compounds that are tested and researched before even one compound is found that would be useful to market (and this is before the inital FDA filing, AKA Pre-EDC). Once the compound is registered with the FDA and goes under intensive developemnt there is much more money spent.

    On average development costs for a single drug can esclate into billions of dollars. Of course, if successful, a single good drug can bring enough profit to keep a drug company operating for years before the patent protection goes away.

    The reason drugs outside of the US are much cheaper is mainly thanks to the FDA. The FDA has massive amounts of regulations even after the drug is approved that regulate how a drug is manufactured and handled. These regulations even dictate how the drug company manages and runs its production computer networks and client systems. This of course adds A LOT of overhead when making a drug.

    Drugs coming from non FDA regulated sites (this is the kinda stuff you buy super cheap on the net) are much cheaper however knowing what the FDA regulations are and why they are there I feel much safer paying more money for an FDA approved drug which I know will be safe as opposed to a drug made at a non-FDA regulated site which may not meet the standards of saftey we have here in the states.

  114. Re:Celeron comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why not choose a Transmeta powered port-a-box? What's the difference what's inside as long as you can run you necessary proggies? Does it really matter if AMD or Intel is inside? Does it really matter that it's Transmeta? How could you even tell, provided your software behaves as expected?

  115. Re:Meanwhile, MySQL does transactions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Meanwhile, MySQL is now doing transactions, and VIEWs are on their way in 5.1. It's GPL, so it's free (as in speech).

    Why not use Postgres? That way, you don't have to wait for features that all the other RDBMS products have had for years. What is it that makes MySQL so much more popular than Postgres? It sure isn't features.

  116. Did You by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Compile the "Dell Laptop Extensions" into the kernel? gkrellm has an i8k plugin you can use to spin the fans up to low and high when you hit certain temperature thresholds. There's also a standalone temperature monitoring utility but it's seemed a bit flakey lately.

    Of course both fans spinning will impact your battery performance but it's better than third degree burns on your... lap.

  117. How will GNAA/Linux do on this, I wonder.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Since Linus Torvalds used to work for Transmeta, I would like to know if GNAA/Linux is well optimized for this processor.

  118. Celeron comparison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    How does this chip compare with that other energy-saving chip, the Celeron?

    And more importantly, is there any reason you'd choose a Transmeta-powered rig over an Intel one?

  119. Re:The Internet is Real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    This person has not set foot in the US.

    Are you saying that if I sit off-shore and beam "illega"l materials over US airwaves, that I should be arrested and tried, even though I'm not a US citizen and I was in international waters when I did the braodcasting?

    Funny, 'cause the US does that all the time... we put ships and aircraft near "evil" countries and beam in locally illegal content in an attempt to incite the population to rebel.

  120. Re:Personal Usage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    *translation*

    Should BioWare/Atari pay for the new CD Rom I had to buy after upgrading Neverwinter Nights to v1.31, and subsequently making it impossible for my old CD Rom to read the disc because of advanced "SafeDisc"?

    *corollary*

    I own Neverwinter Nights, all 5 glorious discs of it. If, for some reason, my old and/or busted CD Rom refuses to give the executable what it wants because of SafeDisc, is it legal to bypass the "Do you have a legit disc" check? Is it legal to download a crack that does this for you because I can't speak hex?

    (On the Neverwinter Nights message boards, Atari says "no", BioWare says "We can't condone that action, but we're happy you purchased the disc (hint), but you can't link to cracks sites here")

    ~Will

  121. Re:Long-term investing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    But of course if a drug company spends 7 years developing a drug and starts trying to recoup some of that cost over the next few years everyone will forget the R&D and point out how the drug costs nothing to make and so the company is ripping everyone off. When I worked at a pharmaceutical company there were cases when it took so long to develop a drug that it wasn't worth bringing it to market because the patent would almost have expired by time it was ready for release. (The patent needs to be filed right at the beginning of the testing process.)

  122. The ACs are on fire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Man! The tonight, with 4 / 6 of the +5 scores!

  123. Re:Woop de fucking do! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Yeah, it'll probably cost a lot to reprint all the New Age ancient traditions to include a tenth planet.

  124. Oh, it's MICROSOFT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    You know, I read the headline, and I honestly could not figure out WHO'S sql server was being delayed. So I said to myself while opening it; why diden't the author of this specify which SQL server is being affected?

    On a slightly more seious tone (though I did honestly not know who's server was being delayed; I thought it was some no named server that I'd never heard of!), do not allow microsoft to pull another 'we own the word windows'; never shortern Microsoft SQL server, into SQL server- at the absolute least call it MS SQL, so that this way in 5 years they can't turn around and sue everyone who has SQL in there name!

    Don't believe me; look at lindows.

  125. Not what it is all about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The CPU is just one component that eats electricity in a laptop; the other big hog is the back lit screen.

    Do you really need much compute power in a walk-about machine to do email, web browsing, word smithing ? In a trade off give me battery time over machine horsepower every time.

    I think that many people have a laptop for ease of use (all your files not backed up in one place that moves with you) and expect the laptop to do everything. What I like is those laptops that drop performance in battery mode.

  126. Re:Mechanics for the 21st century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    And for various reasons, we as a society don't really respect mechanics, as a profession. I wonder if some day those who fix computers will be held in a similar regard.

    I was an on-site repair guy for a couple of local computer companies until about 9 years ago. Even then, most of the customers were untrusting and paranoid when dealing with such a service.

    It wasn't unusual for someone to raise hell and demand a free copy of Windows 3.11 when the copy of DR DOS I hooked them up with a couple of years prior ceased to work in a new enviroment.

    I figured it was a lot like customers not understanding my father, a former auto mechanic of 20+ years, when he would tell them the fuel pump died and it was their carburator they had replaced last time they were in the shop.

    The thing I liked least about doing house calls, and the reason I stopped doing them, was the overly irate people taking their frustrations out on the guy who's trying to help them get their systems up at the least cost and greatest speed. Eventually, it seemed like 1/3 of all the clients I dealt with were angry, abusive people that other businesses had already refused to work with.

  127. Re:Cars, DVDs, what's the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    But its a bit more complex that just that.

    From the article;
    >Automakers are fighting the legislation; they believe the real goal is to obtain proprietary "calibration codes" that are the blueprints for how parts are made. With that information, Territo said, independent mechanics and parts manufacturers could duplicate major components such as fuel injectors that automakers have spent millions of dollars developing.

    So maybe its the same issue. A group wants to control their property by using technology which locks things up.

  128. Too much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    So, if you see it happen, it's not just that you've had too much to drink.

    So do bubbles going around the glass mean I'm half-way there?

  129. Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Finally, a job that WON'T be outsources to India!! *crosses fingers*

  130. Re:Divide and conquer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    From that interview, it sounds like DragonFly is going to have a different package management system in the future. Which means either the base is going to change,

    The BSD base isn't packaged. BSD types like having a source tree for their entire base system and being able to do "make buildworld" and "make installworld" to upgrade it. The package management system is entirely for third party applications. This is not Debian or Gentoo who have no code maintained by themselves other than installation and package management stuff. The BSDs maintain the kernel, the libc, other key libraries, and all the base utilities like ls, cp, mount, etc. And there's also a lot of "contrib" software in the base system -- some of it necessary to build the system (gcc and binutils), some of it just there out of tradition or regarded as "too useful to be moved to ports" (bind, sendmail).

  131. Never talk about beer on a Sunday! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Ouch, how smart is it to have an article about beer on a Sunday!;)

  132. Living near Las Vegas? by ebrandsberg · · Score: 2, Funny

    If he lives near las vegas, it might explain the mysterious EMP that in theory caused a bunch of car keys and other alarms to stop working. In any case, I hope his neighbors arn't trying to use WiFi to connect two computers, cause his work will probably knock anything off. Forget about FCC certification on his equipment...

  133. Wayback Machine by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 4, Informative

    Better than a mirror: The Wayback Machine!

    Try looking here.

    Or here.

    The archives are kind of old (pre 2004) but they seem to have some of the information.

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  134. The "news for nerds treatment" by Nick+Driver · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm happy to see the site finally get the news for nerds treatment it deserves

    Yeah! That's even got a catchy ring to it... From now on, when we want to bring a site to its knees, we'll give it the news for nerds treatment. :-)

    1. Re:The "news for nerds treatment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      us nerds never get much of anything on its knees...

    2. Re:The "news for nerds treatment" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now all you need to do is figure out a way to run apache on a woman, and post her URL to slasdot. Just be sure to be close by when the slashdotting brings her to her knees...

  135. Since people are interested... by Ironsides · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is a link to a site on Tesla Coils, since so many of you seem to be interested in them.

    http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/

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  136. Has no photos :-( by Nick+Driver · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately the Wayback Machine doens't have any of the pictures archived.... only has the text :-/

    1. Re:Has no photos :-( by wideBlueSkies · · Score: 1

      It has some of them. Sometimes you have to click on the thumbnal placeholders to get at the pictures. Click around.

      I admit that it's not perfect, but it's still better than the /.-ed site.

      wbs.

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  137. Patent? by Salamander · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Looks like the US Air Force's Rome Air Development Center thinks they have a patent on it. Am I the only one who thinks "United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Air Force" should not be a valid patent assignee?

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    1. Re:Patent? by Jimithing+DMB · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Am I the only one who thinks "United States of America as represented by the Secretary of the Air Force" should not be a valid patent assignee?

      huh? The U.S. government is a quite good patent assignee. Think of technology developed by or for NASA. In fact, I work on an image enhancment technology which was originally done by my company for a NASA contract. If you read the patent application, it has our employee's names on it along with the U.S. government.

      After developing this we turned around and purchased a license so we could use the algorithm in our own software projects (i.e. PhotoFlair). That means that the government is able to use the technology and so are we. The government doesn't have to pay us anything to use our algorithms.

      I don't think there's anything at all wrong with that. The algorithm was developed on their dollar and so they have the rights to implement the algorithm however they wish.

      In fact, it seems to me that (for a change) the patent system is doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing!

    2. Re:Patent? by Salamander · · Score: 1

      If it was developed at public expense, it should be placed into the public domain, not patented and subject to royalties.

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    3. Re:Patent? by eMilkshake · · Score: 1

      I could see that the largest reason for the government to patent something would be so they didn't have to pay another party royalties for what they, themselves developed. Imagine if NASA developed something, couldn't patent it, then I patented it, and demanded payment.

      Just because there is a patent doesn't mean that royalties will be demanded, but I don't know the practice.

    4. Re:Patent? by Salamander · · Score: 1
      Imagine if NASA developed something, couldn't patent it, then I patented it, and demanded payment.

      If NASA disclosed the invention without a patent, that would be prior art and would prevent anyone else from patenting the same idea.

      Just because there is a patent doesn't mean that royalties will be demanded

      The RADC page above specifically mentions that they expect to make money from royalties.

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    5. Re:Patent? by Raffaello · · Score: 1

      If it were put into the public domain, then third parties from other countries could use the technology without paying any licensing fees. If the US government holds the patent, they can, at their discretion, license it free of cost to US governments agencies, and US nationals, but charge others a licensing fee. Moreover, if it is a strategically sensitive technology, the US government can deny licenses to companies or nationals of certain unfriendly countries. This would not be possible if said patent were put into the public domain. Would denying a license stop illicit use? No, but it would make doing business in the open impossible.

      This way, taxpayers benefit from patents created on our dime, but we don't give away the fruits of our tax dollars to those who did not pay for them (i.e., everyone who is not a US taxpayer), and those who are actively hostile towards the US.

  138. Wrong Fun by Jman314 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Submitter got it wrong: Physics is F=uN!

    (You know, force equals mu times N, friction and stuff? Never mind.)

  139. You missed one by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 1


    the extremely slight risk of cancer
    YMMV but I prefer to keep cancer at bay, my Father just got the news of prostate cancer. Let me guess PurpleFloyd you are in your 20's (as am I) and you are going to live forever.

    Sera
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    1. Re:You missed one by Thomas+Shaddack · · Score: 1

      There are worse cancerogens than electromagnetic fields. Fried foods, air pollution, stress...

  140. Something like this: by itomato · · Score: 1

    A twonee would probably react like this 10 Franc coin: Tiny cached thumbnail en Espanpol

  141. No website by thellamaman · · Score: 1

    No web site is configured at this address.

    Sounds like, "These aren't the coins you're looking for."

    1. Re:No website by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sounds like his host pulled the site cuz it got ./'d
      They use IIS so they shoulda come up with that irritating microsoft error page, something like:

      These coins cannot be displayed
      --------
      The coins you are looking for are currently unavailable. The coins may be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your shrinking settings.
      ---------
      Please try the following:

      - Click the "Shrink Again" button, or try shrinking again later
      - If you typed the name of the coin in the address bar, be sure it is spelled correctly
      - To check your shrink settings, click the Tools menu, then click Currency Settings. On the Size tab, click settings. Those settings should match those given to you by your coin administrator.
      - If your coin administrator has enabled it, Windows can detect the size of your coins automatically. Click -detect coins-
      - Some coins require 100K Amp shrink power. Click the Help menu, and click About Microsoft Coin Shrinker to determine if you have 100K Amp shrink power installed.
      - If you are trying to reach an already-shrunk coin, make sure your shrink settings can support it. Click the Tools menu, then click Shrink Options. On the advanced tab, make sure the MS-Voltage 3.1, MS-Amperage 2.2, and MS-Wattage 2.5-SP1 are checked.
      - Click the -back- button to try another coin.

      Cannot find coins or shrink error
      Coin Explorer

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  142. Conservation of matter and energy? by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

    So wait... If it squeezes a quarter down to the size of a dime, does the density of the coin increase to fit the same number of atoms in a smaller space, or is some of the matter from the original coin lost/converted in the process?

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    1. Re:Conservation of matter and energy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither. The coin has the same weight and just gets thicker.

  143. interesting, but is it actually reversible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    so can any of the physics nuts out there tell me if this process is reversible? Is it possible to use the same/similar technique to make coins "expand" ?
    I am assuming there must be a way.

    I think making coins larger would be a whole lot more interesting, and I'll assume by the details of this process that making a coin twice as large makes it half as thick... I'm talking coins here people! lol

    the mass and weight would remain constant, has to, but I'd think large sized coins would be more of a novelty than small ones...

    one method for doing this (works) is to put your coins on the railway track just before a train comes along... makes your coins all nice and squished out... kids - dont try this at home...

    1. Re:interesting, but is it actually reversible? by Mongo222 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the device used to expand the coins is fairly common... It's called a "Deasel Locomotive". PLace the coin on a nearby set of train tracks, wait for the Locomotive device to be applied to the coins surface. After treatment the coin will be significanlty expanded.

  144. WORST TROLL EVER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean like this?
    Hello, I'm WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WIDE! Yes, I'm WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WIDE! Very very WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WIDE! So wonderfully, so fantabulously WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WIDE!


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  145. Re: Political Tangents by zedmelon · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    To continue in this direction, I recently watched (History Channel, I'm pretty sure) a blurb that stated Carter (forever marked by millions for the Olympics, hostages, etc) actually did nearly all the negotiating--personally, I seem to recall--to get the hostages released, but since it didn't actually happen until Reagan took office, Reagan got the credit.

    "...but things don't become noticable until Guy B is in office, and gets blamed..."

    I don't know how true that is, but I'm willing to bet it's a lot more than most of us realize.

    [further]I was pleased when Reagan was elected because I didn't like Carter, based solely on the anger I felt when he beat Ford in the '76 election. Ignorant? Yes, but I was five, so neener neener.[/tangent]

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  146. Why not simply softwrap text over 120 characters? by DrMorpheus · · Score: 1

    Come on, this is HTML 101 stuff.

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  147. Internet Archive by san+diego+codepig · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can see the web pages at http://www.archive.org/. Just cut and paste any URL into the 'Wayback Machine' and you can see archived versions of the page.

    I noticed on some pages (the Quarter Shrinking Theory page) the text is 'invisible' using Firebird, but you can read it by selecting the entire page (ex. ctrl-a) which highlights everything.

    I've done this in the past with slashdotted sites and it seems to work most of the time.

  148. High Voltage Diamond Making Machine...? by cr0sh · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Here's an idea:

    1. Form a dense carbon sphere. Form a dual halve alluminum sphere whose halves smoothly mate together. The sphere is actually a shell, with very thick walls, which surrounds the carbon sphere. For instance, a 3cm outer shell, 1cm thick wall, leaving a 1cm diameter inner sphere for the carbon. Pins hold the sides together.

    2. Suspend this sphere in the middle of a very large version of the work coil as described on the site. The machine is also large - maybe building size capacitors, etc.

    3. Charge the puppy up and fire it...

    Could you end up with a diamond? Who knows...

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    1. Re:High Voltage Diamond Making Machine...? by deimtee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No you wouldn't get a diamond.
      The force is directed radially inwards along a cylinder.

      To make diamonds you would need a spherically uniform force.(And probably a lot more megapascals.)

      However you would probably get a really neat pancil!

      -deimtee

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    2. Re:High Voltage Diamond Making Machine...? by cr0sh · · Score: 1
      I kinda realized that when I posted it (that the force would be radial, instead of spherical) - which is why I suggested the spherical alluminium shell, though that would end up with a hourglass shape in the end.

      I would think it would be possible to make a nearly spherical field - maybe using three coils orthogonally opposed? Or maybe using more than three coils?

      As far as the energy required, I also realized that it would be a huge amount, perhaps more than the resulting diamond (if it worked, that is), would be worth. Heck, the cost of the capacitors and building(s) to house them would likely be a major limiting factor. Also note that I was thinking of this size (very huge) in regards to the starting size of the carbon sphere (1cm) - leading to a much smaller potential chunk of "diamond", if it worked...

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  149. Re:Google Cache no -- use the Wayback Machine by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative

    archive of teslamania.com, which DOES have images.

  150. My Two Cents by wildsurf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Finally, someone who can correct the historical accident that nickels are larger than dimes!!

    Now, if only he could find a way to GROW money... or would that merely consist of nickel-and-diming people to death?

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    1. Re:My Two Cents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Used to be that a nickel was 5 cents worth of nickel. A dime was 10 cents worth of silver. Thats also why dimes and quarters had groves, so you couldn't shave a bit of silver off of each coin you had. Nickels and pennies weren't worth it. Most coins are alloys now though.

    2. Re:My Two Cents by the+pickle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Finally, someone who can correct the historical accident that nickels are larger than dimes!!

      That isn't historical accident. It was intentional. Silver got pretty expensive in the late 1860s, and by 1873, the "half-dime," which had been an integral part of US coinage since 1794, would have had to shrink yet again to prevent its intrinsic value from growing greater than its face value.

      The nickel five-cent piece, introduced in 1866, was the solution to this problem: a coin that didn't fall through tiny holes in one's pocket, had some substantial weight to it, and was far easier to deal with in general. It took another 91 years for the price of silver to get high enough to make dimes, quarters, and half-dollars impractically expensive. (This was at least in part due to the fact that many world governments were still on the silver standard as late as the mid-1960s, which kept silver prices artificially low.)

      Ever seen a half-dime? They're pretty literally a half of a dime, maybe 2/3 as thick and 2/3 the diameter (don't have exact dimensions in front of me) of a modern US 10-cent piece.

      BTW, it isn't historical accident that a US one-cent piece is larger than a dime, either, although the solution to rising copper prices in the 1970s was (starting in 1982) simply to copper-plate zinc cent planchets instead of making them from solid copper.

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  151. Diamond? by wildsurf · · Score: 0

    Using this technique, could you put in a lump of coal and make a diamond?

    If not, how about a lump of coal surrounded by metal to squeeze it? Very spark-ly...

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  152. Dupe -or- Search? Slashdot? Yeah, right.... by siglercm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Five minutes of looking proves to me that Slashdot's search engine is basically worthless. My memory's not *that* good....

    This post is a dupe. I remember seeing an interesting slashdot story, God knows when, and I looked over both the Powerlabs and Teslamania websites. I vividly remember the (now slashdotted to hell) shrunken coins. But, then again, if you're only 18 minutes old, you wouldn't know that, now would you?

    The more I read Slashdot, the more I feel like some new-age Methuselah in a sci-fi story, where all those around me are younger, and their 80 year lifespans appear like those of a fly.

    Clemmitt

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  153. Ummm shrunken coins isnt legal by nurb432 · · Score: 0

    You cant legally deface US currency..

    While cool, its like sending a note to the feds, "come arrest me, here is where i live"...

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  154. Mod Parent Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If lawyers tried to be engineers, they'd sound similarly-stupid, and you've illustrated that point perfectly.
    me

  155. Shrink..No...Hotter than Hell with 1 Battery, YES by SuperGlue · · Score: 1

    I am not sure about shrinking coins, but, it was very easy for me to make about 10 coins Hotter than Hell!!!
    (Thanks to my 2 yr old son)

    Every morning when I leave for work, I grab a handful of change for soda money.

    I am at work for around 5 hours when, I suddenly felt like my pocket was going to burn through my pants. I reached in my front pocket and quickly threw out everything I could grab. The burning contents of my pocket landed on the desk and all my coworkers started to look at me like I was some sort of insane madmad (but of course).
    I looked at the stack of coins that fell on my desk and also I noticed ...... 1 rechargeable AA battery.

    I had never seen the battery earlierwhen I was grabbing the coins and I was quite oblivious to the impending Solar Flare that was about to go off in my pocket.

    I guess during the day, those coins shuffled themselves around until they finally completed the circuit. Once they did ..... Owwwww!!!!

    A coworker of mine reached out to grab one of the nickels on the top of the pile of coins. It had been 3 or 4 minutes later and quickly found out that they were hot enough for him to yell out in pain too..... :)

    SuperGlue

  156. Re:How shrinking a quarter works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The apparently "unpredicted" tensile failures are probably caused by pinch instabilities in the current a la the instabilities that render everything from a zeta-pinch to a tokomak unworkable. Yes, this is copper wire and not plasma, but the currents are high enough to cause the copper to flow plastically, and hence the appropriate analysis requires the use of equations that show this instability in their solutions.

  157. Re:Dupe -or- Search? Slashdot? Yeah, right.... by siglercm · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure whether to be pleased that I got a mod point, or disappointed that I was modded as "funny."

    Sad, isn't it?

    Clemmitt

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  158. Re:Ummm shrunken coins isnt legal by windex82 · · Score: 1

    Yeah thats why they have those coin smashng machines at amusment parks... im not claiming it isnt technicly illegal but the treasury has better things to do then worry about pennies..

  159. Re:Shrink..No...Hotter than Hell with 1 Battery, Y by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember a similar news story a few years back...

    Some cop was keeping loose ammunition in his pocket with a portable rechargable walkie-talkie. The brass casing of the shells came into contact with the recharging terminals of the radio and got hot enough to explode a bullet.

  160. See slashdot effect in action by Via_Patrino · · Score: 1

    See slashdot effect in action here and here

  161. You're wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a poster upthread mentioned that it's illegal to deface or mutilate currency FOR FRAUDALENT PURPOSES. It's a matter of intent. Thus, it is clearly legal in this instance. To prove it illegal, you must first prove intent to defraud.

  162. MOD PARENT TROLL by ultranova · · Score: 1

    The parent is troll, not insightfull. Unless untrue (popular pictures take a few minutes max to be found) disparaging remarks are now considered insightfull ?

    And even if the parent were true, it would better to wait a weekend for the pictures to appear, than to destroy a website, perhaps permanently (if the provider will kick the website out or give the owner a huge bill for bandwith overuse).

    Who modded parent insightfull anyway ? Are the trolls forming some kind of clubs, modding each other up ?

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  163. Re:Ummm shrunken coins isnt legal by The+Wicked+Priest · · Score: 1

    But they aren't defaced. I see the faces plainly. They're hardly even distorted.

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  164. It is not the coin that shrinks . . . by wornst · · Score: 1

    but your mind.

  165. The Slashdot Effect by GDaddy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So, I'm undecided, is it morally wrong to submit a small website for a slashdot story, knowing full well that that site is going to get shutdown inside of 24 hours?

    It seems to me a more responsible article would be about the concept of coin shrinking in general, and perhaps only link to the google search results.

    As it stands, this article did nothing but direct the slashdot readers' attention to the concept, and then demonstrate that some poor guy's page is unavailable, before going on to show us a googled list of sites.

  166. Re:Ummm shrunken coins isnt legal by Beolach · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is illegal. The penalty is that the currency becomes void. So you can't pay for anything with any of your shrunken (or stretched) coins.

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  167. Re:Deflation? by SAPHRguru · · Score: 1

    But now it's concentrated... doesn't that make it more valuable?