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Intel 32/64-bit Nocona CPU
OCGeek writes "A picture of the upcoming Nocona processor of the Xeon family that has 64-bit
extensions known as Intel EM64T has appeared on
VR-Zone website. Nocona will have
604 pins and supports HyperThreading, SSE3, PCI Express, DDR2, Vanderpool
technology."
They made the mistake to have not one, but two featured stories on Slashdot today. No wonder their site is down, LOL
Two slashdots in one day, man they must be cursing us over at vrzone.
A Fatal OE Exception has occurred, Sig will now reboot.
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Just for starters, notice that all the hardware sites get their test units from the manufacturers. In other words, they call the manu and say 'please send me a free hard drive to test for a review'. The manu then tries out 5 units to find the one that works best and sends it.
Consumers Reports, on the other hand, goes to the store and buys a random unit, same as you or I might.
Personally, I trust www.storagereview.com, but they do the same thing.
Starting a name with "no" is just asking for bad news coverage.
Perhaps you missed the whole DeCSS issue? "Without licensed DVD players for Linux and other operating systems, an entire class of computer users is completely cut off from viewing DVDs."
Phwoar! I'll have some of that.
Slashdot. Pornography for nerds.
EM64T
Remember, it's spelled x86-64.
Save your wrists today - switch to Dvorak
... would they call it a "Sno-Cona"?
People have been doing research for thousands of years, and most of the research have led to woudnerful discoveries, but.. to be honest, I cant see that this discovery can leed to any major breakthoughs. Not even minor ones.
I'm still running a C64 you insensitive clod!
Isn't the whole point of the lawsuit that they aren't?
I think we should simply rely on older technology to solve this problem. Don't fix it if it ain't broke...
First time I've heard of it. I know about all the other stuff mentioned but not this. And now It's slashdotted on top of all.
Anyone know?
It sounds like a pretty good idea to me, but there seems to be one mistake in the post, I am pretty sure that they would go ahead and clear the music to be downloaded legally via iTunes or something like that, rather than illegally via P2P, and thus avoid any "John Doe" lawsuits.
I'm curious as to what possible reasoning Starbucks used to enter this completely alien market. There's little money to be made from it and it seems impractical due to the time required to both burn the CD and create the playlist. Unless their goal is to keep the customer in their store for longer periods of time -- which I could see as a viable business model -- there really doesn't seem to be any strategy involved.
As an employee of a publically-traded rival corporation [Peet's Coffee & Tea] I'm not exactly unbiased here, but I'm wondering what others have to say about the strategy behind such a radical departure from the typical role of a coffee shop.
If you were him, would you read the site?
...Nocona will have 604 pins and supports HyperThreading, SSE3, PCI Express, DDR2, Vanderpool technology."
Did any one else read that as Vaporware technology??
I seem to have misplaced my ass. Could you please help me find it?
1. Open eyes
2. Find in close proximity to head
Sharp Shows Slim, Trim Notebook
New Actius MM20 is first to feature Transmeta's new Efficeon chip.
Tom Krazit, IDG News Service
Monday, March 15, 2004
The first notebook available in the United States with Transmeta's new Efficeon processor will be announced by Sharp Systems of America on Monday.
The new Actius MM20 is an improved version of the MM10, says Terry Hanly, product marketing manager for Sharp Systems, a division of Sharp Electronics.
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The MM10 used Transmeta's older Crusoe processor, which was praised for its miserly power consumption but panned for its performance.
The new Efficeon TM8600 is designed to improve performance while maintaining the low power consumption required by ultraportable notebooks--such as the 2-pound MM20. Sharp's tests showed that Efficeon delivers about 1.4 times the performance of Crusoe, Hanly says.
Sharp also improved performance in the MM20 by adding PC2100 (266-MHz) DDR SDRAM. The notebook now comes with 512MB of memory, up from 256MB in the older MM10.
The notebook's standard battery will last three hours under normal conditions. An extended battery will add six more hours of computing time and 0.6 pounds, Hanly says.
Portable PC
A base configuration of the notebook includes the 1-GHz Efficeon processor, 512MB of memory, a 20GB hard drive, and a 10.4-inch display for an estimated starting price of $1499. Sharp will take preorders for the notebook as of Monday, and it will ship in April.
The MM20 is designed as a second notebook for corporate executives or frequent business travelers that prefer something lightweight when traveling, Hanly says.
Sharp will include a base station and cable with the MM20 that allows users to connect the notebook to their regular PC through a USB port and use the notebook as an external hard drive.
Specially configured software from Iomega allows users to make changes to documents on their regular PC that will be automatically synchronized with the MM20. Conversely, if a user makes changes to a document on the road, the updated version of that document will automatically replace the older version on the regular PC when the units are connected, Hanly says.
A version of this notebook has been available in Japan, Hanly says. She does not know if a version will ship in Europe.
What issue? Anyone can buy a CSS license and write a licensed DVD player for Linux.
The only computer users who are cut off from viewing DVDs are the ones who, for silly ideological reasons, refuse to install closed source software.
The owls are not what they seem
I can't really say I care for the precedent being set here.
How are you supposed to get anything done on the internet if you have to worry about not only the laws in your country, but those all over the world?
(Realistically, the laws in your country plus those in the US)
In anticipation of intel's move away from MHz numbers and confusing names, I predict the nonoca will adopt the name "Intel Xeon Championship Edition."
Oh, does this ass I just found belong to you? You can have it back as soon as I'm done with it.
That must have been one heck of an internal problem for it to knock out Hotmail AND MSN Messenger.
For example, the problem might have lain in the Passport login servers. Single sign-on is a single point of failure.
Nocona means "No-Pussy", oh well..
This is one of Microsoft's most important products. Finacially, there is a huge amount of "positive perception" riding on SQL server.
Businesses may run on one of their OSes, but businesses run IN SQL Server. This product can make or (more critically) brake businesses. If rumors of major problems with SQL server screwing up business were to get out, corporate perception of them would tank.
They have no real choice with this product but to try and make sure it is ready (and take more time if needed) rather than push it to market.
-Pete
Why can't I get this to run on my WXP machine? I have XP Pro installed....
You linux geeks get all the good toyz!!
Darn you, Darn you to Redmond!
What do I get?
Well.. I guess I do get all the neat patches.
Whenever you visit the Microsoft webpage (windows update), they will have a video of how to install patches. This video will be only available in media player format. A few other pages on the web like this (through partnership) and it will not dent the "market share" one bit.
Ever heard of a journaled filesystem? :P
The more you know, the less you understand.
what these processors are known for. Benchmarks show that. That's not to say it's a bad processor, and maybe the Efficeon will turn out a little sweeter. Meanwhile, there isn't a whole lot about Transmeta's stuff that stands out. Except the wacky design.
I've found that provided the system have a good amount of memory, a pentium 2 is good enough to run most applications.
I've been tweaking an older PII laptop (400MhZ, 192M) over the past few months. The idea was not to lose any functionality or "new" features (i.e., dropping a 2.2 based distro, the PII's contemporary OS, would be cheating). So far I'm extremely pleased. The machine is very functional, even faster in some respects than a newer Thinkpad T22 (800MhZ, 256M) because the video support is better.
The main changes:
* 2.6 kernel -- huge difference
* Fluxbox instead of KDE/Gnome
* NPTL
* Rebuilt some apps with i686 optimizations
* Config tweaks (default services, buffer sizes, etc)
* Application substitutions (Firefox vs Mozilla, etc)
I've been testing other things including:
* Default fs (reiserfs vs ext3)
* sshd default configs (blowfish vs des, etc)
* MP3 vs OGG (about the same CPU, but I hear MP3 is nicer)
* Adjusting timer resolution in kernel
* Replacement syslog that batches writes
"How many companies these days are willing to drop money into some technology that may not turn a profit for many years?"
The kind that is already doing very well financially and wants to solidify a reputation of innovation. Similar to Microsoft's $1 billion donation to Africa.
I mean, having VR-Zone slashdotted twice in one day? Even script-kiddies don't deserve that.
seriously what is the real issue here? Closed, proprietary formats. None of the unbundling will change the fact that people with Windows will have a system hostile to interoperability.
Hmmm, these kind of sites are becoming a nuisance.
Sorry, that website uses broken embed tags and Windows-specific registry CLSIDs to point to quicktime player. I don't have a "registry" or a "quick time" player. For those of us who choose our own browser helper applications (instead of it being decided by a "registry") here is the relevant link.
Has any one contemplated the concept that Microsoft might actually be taking the time to make better products? I realise its taboo on slashdot to show any support to Microsoft, but the fact is that they are not stupid! Do you honestly believe they would just decide, hey, lets let linux + competitors get a foothold in our markets whilst we jack about! WRONG!
One thing anyone in the IT business should learn is to never ever under estimate microsoft.
But are you North or South of the equator? That determines whether they go round clockwise or anti-clockwise.
What's the point of a screenshot of a commandline text processor like lilypond?
I'd have thought the scans of the printed output on the site would be more than enough.
What next. Do you want a screenshot of the scrolling messages at boot of the next linux kernel?
puh-leaze. The viper article is obviously just
a corroboration of the original, attempting to
keep attention on it (and borrow some of that
to get attention for itself). Infinium labs is
bogus? yawn, nothing to see here...
I say that because there's nothing particularly
insidious going on here. We have a disreputable
manufacturer who's been called out; not, as the
article tries to imply, some industry wide hush
phenomenon. It's just sensationalism.
Wake me when viper labs shuts down site operations.
(They don't even have good copy editors.)
The simple reasoning behind this is to encourage competition in the belief that competion results in better products and/or lower prices.
Cars are something that are easily understood by most people. You buy a car and you want to get it fixed but the place that fixed your old car can't fix this car because the car manufacturer won't let the mechanic read the computer information in YOUR car.
So, you'll have to pay the prices that the car manufacturer wants you to pay to get your car fixed.
I think will be an easy bill to pass. The average person will see it as a way of saving money.
Check these links for a Duo (Laptop) mod to a picture frame. I remember this site as the first I saw. I have an old 486 and a 64MB compaq flash just waiting for a conversion.
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http://www.applefritter.com/hacks/duodigitalfra
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Businessweek ran an item on it in their latest issue. The also said that competitors of Starbucks are looking to implement similar technology.
Krispy Kreme and Outkast?
One kink and it's trash can city.
Intel talked about this at the last developers conference. Its the ability to run OSes and applications in partitions that are protected from trashing each other. Here's a blurb from one of the keynote addresses (about halfway down):
You may remember at the last IDF, Paul Otellini in his keynote did a demonstration and introduced a new technology, a new star "T" called Vanderpool Technology or VT. In that demo, he was in a home environment where he demonstrated by creating different stations in a virtualized station. You are able to run your PVR in one partition and the games in another partition without interfering with each other.
VT has applications not just in the digital home but also in the digital office. What are some of these usage models? Let's take a look. VT, likewise, can be used in business computers to create different partitions, to provide an IT partition where the IT mission-critical applications are well protected and not compromised by the user. At the same time, it can create partitions that can provide legacy support. In other words, applications that may not run under the new operating system.
Now, this is the kind of thing that's actually fairly common encountered in both large enterprises as well as more medium business.
An example we see in accounting software or asset tracking software, they're written and validated on an old operating system that have not been reported or validated.
As an example, my sister is a dentist and she has a billing system on her computer. She wouldn't dare to upgrade it because there's no support of porting that billing system to a new OS. And as a result, she continues to run on old hardware, old OSs, that expose herself to productivity and security issues. Not a good situation.
So let's take a look at how this actually works. I'd like to invite Jason Davidson out here to show us how VT benefits the enterprise.
(Demo begins and ends.)
BILL SIU: So in the coming several years, we'll be working with many of our business colleagues, many of you present here, to develop this capability and bring this kind of improvement to the enterprise. We think this is of just great value to manageability, providing both end user benefits as well as IT value.
One assumes the demo shows them crashing an application yet the other application keeps on working.
to the Engineer, the glass is neither half full nor half empty. Its just two times too big.
IIRC, the "10x better" means 10x lower failure rate. The wording almost seems meant to deceive. The idea is that if you misidentify 10 messages out of 100, the filter would only misidentify 1. Since you made 10x as many mistakes, the filter was 10x as accurate as you were.
Singapore bans the import, sale and manufacture of chewing gum. It isn't illegal to chew it.
Chuckle.
A lot like the way the DMCA *doesn't* make fair use illegal.
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It won't be an issue until they find a Kuiper object that is bigger than Pluto. Then they'll have an awkward situation. Making Pluto a planet when this bigger object isn't one doesn't make sense; nobody wants to add a new planet, because in retrospect it was a mistake to make Pluto a planet, and adding another Kuiper object would just compound it; and removing Pluto from the list of planets offends tradition.
Everyone wants to push this off as long as possible, so if the new object is really smaller than Pluto, they'll breathe a sigh of relief and go on with things as they are.
I always thought they were selling milk, sugar and "lifestyle" with some kind of dark caffeinated substance occasionally thrown in.
Quick screen capture of the entire (tiny) article here
The GDM link points to here (japanese)
The Xeon roadmap link points to another vr-zone article here (probably also slashdotted)
Kinda contentless, apart from the pic.
Every country sets its own agenda. The US wants to be the untouchable goliath of military power. If the US wanted to be the world leader in non-military research and development, they could be.
Very, very true. But, it just wouldn't be The American Way if we didn't have the ability to police the world. However, if you pay close attention to the history of how the US became involved in various wars,[read: WWI, WWII] you'll see we re-acted to outside influences. Had those not come along, the US may never have invested so heavily in a war machine. (Just my $0.02.)
How far do you think that the internet will be responsible for creating a de-facto international legal system? Property rights, shared criminal databases, shared economic systems,... it seems that the influence of TCP/IP packets has no limits on our society. Will we one day see a world government to enforce international law? And lastly, will this be the US?
These sites are almost always reviewing products that haven't hit the market yet. They can't just go out and buy a retail unit if there aren't any available yet.
This is also how they can get away with paper launches... Make a few samples available to the reviewers to make it seem like the processor is available. In these cases, usually the review sample is such an early revision that anything a consumer touches probably works better.
First off, I was really pissed off at NASA and the media outlets for the scant coverage of the mission results concerning water on mars. All we got was a 4 minute introduction and one panelist into the release and it was back to the CNN/FOX 30 minute cycle of endless Pro-Bush news bits and Iraq coverage. Luckily, I have the NASA TV channel on satellite, so I was able to flip over -- but for the >95% of americans without NASA tv, they missed out on an hour's worth of enlightening details of Mars, straight from scientists and not tabloid writers with no understanding of science.
Now, this release isn't even going to be televised. The only initial outlet is a conference call for reporters only.
I'm ashamed of NASA and I am ashamed of our media coverage of science. When I was a kid, every space shuttle launch was televised. Taking 10-30 minutes of time out of my day to watch the occasional launch helped inspire me to think above the quagmire I was born into, to know there was something greater. Kids today get MTV and 24 hour news spin channels in 30 minute loops.
But hey, at least they get a nice, fast Internet and ~225 national channels of garbage via satellite.
Consider this: training, amount of time, and tools. Think of how ugly it is to uninstall a nasty worm virus; think of the effort it takes to salvage files from a flaky/dying hard drive, plus rebuilding the machine. Think of the cost of all the diagnostic software/tools you might have, even if its just some Norton Utilities, a MS Technet subscription, and an AV program.
If a lawyer or a plumber or an exterminator can charge $50-100/hour, a computer technician should be allowed to do the same.
Technician skills are expensive. My company now maintains images of your hard drive. If you have a problem that can't be resolved within 30 minutes of trouble shooting, they take your laptop away, re-image a new laptop, and give it to you the next morning. Its not worth the recovery effort. Bad ofr people with desktop support skills (used to be LAN admins who did that stuff). Now a force of >100 LAN admins across the Greater Toronto Area is less than 20 individuals.
...on portugal and brasil... just google for cona and you'll see what i mean :-)
Cona = Cunt, in Portuguese. This is clearly not a CPU for women.
Support for PCI Express and DDR2 are dependent on the chipset, not the processor, in Intel CPUs. So saying that the Nocona processors support PCI Express and DDR2 is pretty stupid... Any Intel processor could use them so long as they were running on a chipset that did.
Of course, Intel normally releases new chipsets with a new revision of a processor family, but that is another matter entirely. Since the site is down, I have no idea if this is discussed at all.
If this could be done efficiently, and in a way which allowed users to easily switch between the two OSes, one could run linux and windows simultaneously. Then, instead of having to use a second rate application for those apps which haven't been replicated in the linux world, one could easily switch back to windows for those few necessary apps which were holding one back from trying out linux.
Linux adoption would go up as people find it easier to try it out without abandoning their familiar windows apps, which leads to more linux development, which results in more replacement of those windows apps(since there is still the cost benefit to switching to linux).
I was really worried until the end of the snippet when Intel mentioned Dance Dance Revolution 2 support...
No. No you aren't.
Just for starters, notice that all the hardware sites get their test units from the manufacturers. In other words, they call the manu and say 'please send me a free hard drive to test for a review'. The manu then tries out 5 units to find the one that works best and sends it.
...that there's such things as rated speeds. For a CPU that would be something like "This CPU is rated at 3.0 GHz, but it'll overclock to 3.6 GHz". Maybe the average consumer CPU won't overclock to that. But it's a pretty sure thing it *will* work at 3.0GHz, and that's the benchmarks I read.
As for harddisks, I imagine they find one with no remapped sectors (a "perfect" disk) but otherwise, I doubt they can do much either without rigging the specs. There's simply not much room for variability these days. Maybe they have a perfectly balanced/aligned disk that could do more than 7200rpm, but that's a different story.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Doh. Isn't it obvious that he's talking about rollbacks?
/*
The ones in common use don't support rollbacks.
e.g. you don't get to do stuff like:
begin;
rm -rf somedir
(ooops! should have been somedir/* )
rollback;
I'll gladly be corrected if I'm wrong.
...it appears that Intel is a gnat's eyebrow away from having to use liquid cooling on that motha! 150 watts! OMG!
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
My PC has a Pentium III 866 MHz, and it supports a port of DDR (not just 2nd Mix but all the way to 8th Mix through bumper packs) just fine through the StepMania simulator. If you want to contribute AMD64 builds of StepMania, go right ahead; StepMania is free software.
"Artificial lips as subtle as human lips The 35kg as yet unnamed robot has artificial lips which can alter their position as subtly as human lips as air is forced through them, enabling it to play a trumpet as it presses the stops with its hands."
Am I the only one wondering...
No. But don't get too worked up yet. Wait until they announce the ability to tripple tongue. Then start looking for it at Spencers gifts (in the back). Gives a whole new meaning to "the gift that keeps on giving".
please.
You're connecting "piracy", something inherantly illegal by definition, with peer-to-peer. p2p is a technology that can be used for so many different things, that lumping them together is naive.
so many geeks want what to be legal? piracy? sharing mp3's? p2p? they are 3 separate things, only one of which I care about, as a geek, and that is p2p. Which I don't even use. Once i tried bit torrent to d/l slackware, but it didn't work.
please, for the sake of reality, don't lump 3 vastly different things into one thing that the general public sees as illegal. p2p != sharing mp3s. p2p != piracy. sharing mp3's is not always even equal to piracy.
generalizations are like premature optimizations... the root of all evil.
Ok, maybe not that grand, but damn near - did you know that there were PICK CPU's? That is, PICK BASIC, when compiled, compiled down to a form of assembler that ran on a PICK virtual machine, just like a JVM. Well, just the same, there were a few companies that created hardware implementations of that virtual machine as a CPU - to run the compiled code at much faster speeds (just like you have the more limited Java CPUs - the few that exist).
But, all was not to be - like Java, CPU technology leapt ahead of of these real implementations, and PICK to this day continues to be run in "emulation" fashion (though it is termed a variety of different things - D3, Multi-Value, etc)...
Crazy history PICK has...
Reason is the Path to God - Anon
Ummm.... isn't this like MacOS running VirtualPC? I mean, really, what's the big difference?
If I didn't have absolutely NOTHING to do, I wouldn't be here.
Soon they won't need the actual x86 instruction set at all!
See Brazilian Slang Words to learn more. I wonder what they thought of the Ford Pinto, hehe.
The usefulness of the proprietary data stream is overstated. I think it was in 94 that the first on-board diagnistic spec (OBD) appeared in mass production. Everyone was crying about it at the time. Amazingly, independent repair shops are still in business. Since then there have been refinements, but it basically defines a standard interface and subset data stream required on all production cars in the US. With an OBD capable scan tool and the proper manuals, any tech can diagnose any problem with any car. There might be a more robust data stream available to the dealer mechanic, but the true value of that extra data is trivial IMO.
I left a 10 year career in auto repair (part of that post-OBD), where my specialty was driveability and electrical. The truly skilled technicians understand the system and don't necessarily depend on a particular tool to get their work done. An old-style analog oscilloscope is more valuable to a tech than any proprietary scan tool. The challenge is the diminishing number of techs that would know what to do with one.
Buy Opterons .... They scale better. Dual systems.. its about neck and neck with Xeons but go to quads and the Opterons eat Xeons for Lunch. Oh .. and the Opterons are cheaper too. It's a no brainer folks. It wall take alot more then copying AI64 from AMD to put the Xeons on top. Indeed soon with how the Opterons scale they will eat up the Itantics too.
This was originally posted to another story, the one about the Lord of the Rings musical. Those of you who are mods are also smoking crack today, because that link has nothing whatever to do with this story.
Depends on the tasks set for the CPU's. For some tasks, dual-cpu's are the sweet spot for performance and cost. And if you're running renders, physics calcs etc a lot, the Xeons are the way to go, and for databases etc, the Opterons are the way to go. And besides, the dual Xeons have beaten dual Opterons, despite the Opterons running in 64-bit mode, with all those extra registers.... Now just think about what the Xeons will be able to do when they also get to play with all those extra registers.
I don't think you can just boot a stock copy of Solaris on any SPARC machine without a thin layer of virtualization glue.
In any case, this technology doesn't remove that need (they mention the need for a "Hyper-OS" and small modifications to the host operating system)... it just pushes a lot of the common stuff (simulating interrupts, catching exceptions) into the hardware.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
It STILL won't run doom 3.
But imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!!!
[ / jokes ]
The "Insert Quote Here" line is almost as predictable as inserting an actual quote.
1) The chip interface to the northrbridge has been improved and will allow it to go "Really Fast".
2) The chip has an intergrated memory controller and/or PCI express bridge/controller ala Opteron.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
IBM has had the capability for at least 20+ years to run multiple OS' on the same hardware by partioning it. Think MVS OS. Moreover, SUN also allows you to partion their hardware too with multiple OS'. So intel is now just catching up since their hardware is being used more and more in biz enterprises.
is it a 64bit CPU that can act like a 32 bit CPU or it's 16bit predecessor (which is, itself based on an 8 bit design).?
I can understand why Intel wanted to go to a clean 64bit CPU implementation, but It's a bit late in the game for them.
Free Software: Like love, it grows best when given away.
Vanderpool is basically a re-optimization of priorities and costs. Read this for more:
Intel won't say shit about it if you ask, I have several times. I was at both the IDF demos on it, and they said all of nothing technical. I found out anyway. :)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14289
That said, what is Pellston and Foxton? I know one of them.....
-Charlie
on the one hand i think it sounds german... "ahh vat a vunderpool technology! but now i need two of mein cathode ray tube!"
and on the other hand, i can't wait till dell outsources tech support to india. "ahh yes sur i shure agree it's a wunderful technology"
That New Scientist is basically repeating the Intel line on the Tech, which is to say nothing. You notice the entire article is basically saying that it is about virtualization, no specifics. It is pretty close to word for word what the Intel PR people will tell you. Journalism indeed.
I was at both IDF keynotes, and they gave demos, and did nothing much. I asked, they told me squat. I found out and wrote it up, I posted a link to my story above, I won't re-post the link.
It annoys me when Intel announces a tech, tells you it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but then won't talk about it if you ask. Kind of like a certain Unix vendor we all know....
-Charlie
Isn't that what the recycle bin does?
*ducks*
Be wary of any facts that confirm your opinion.
I wonder how long it will take Intel to move 64 bit technology into the P4 line?
By adding it in the Xeon, they legitimize the technology. But, they don't put it in the consumer chips. So, this makes the Athlon 64 a lot more attractive.. Compared to the Intel chips, the A64 has high end technology in a low cost chip.
If AMD ever completes their unfortunate socket shuffle, the A64 could really take off.
but does it have the proverbial kitchen sink?
:)
Or is the heat sink merely that heavy?
Juuussst kidding.
Don't get me wrong, I love AMD and only buy
AMD for myself. If Vanderpool works the way
I'm hearing it's supposed to..... I have a lot
of customers who can use that technology YESTERDAY!!!
Last year even!
Please bring this about in an AMD-64 Version Pleaaaaaaase!!!!
No .. its the HT links and on board Memory Controls that help the Opterons win. The beat them 32bit or 64bit. I have not seen any test that show Dual Xeons doing anything better then the Opterons with the exception of puting out more heat. Please show us a Link to said test.
Just for your information - the 68010 was the first of the 680x0 series that was virtualizeable with the 68020 with MMU being fully able to do so, down to the memory map.
Most all other CPUs that I have ever worked with *other than the x86* has been able to do this correctly. It is just a matter of correctly handling ring-0 vs ring-3 instructions. This is why things like vmware were so tricky to make on the x86 and why "Mac-in-a-box" on Linux works so well on the PPC. The x86 lets user space programs directly read the fact that they are user space and what their "protection" settings are. This makes it impossible for the OS to "lie" to the user space program about what is really going on. Thus, the major amount of work that went into "user mode linux" for the x86.
In fact, it was an error in the original 68000 instruction set in user space that required the 68010 to be made for virtualization. (Actually, two errors, but only one in the instruction set itself)
Oh, and this was not new technology back in the 1980s. Machines from the 1960s by IBM and DEC had instruction sets and support for virtualization. This was how the OS itself was tested in many cases. And, I am sure, you all have at least read about the IBM VM system - which stands for Virtual Machine - underwhich all of their Mainframe operating systems run, including Linux. This is how a mainframe can run multiple OS versions and different OS types all at the same time.
-- ex-Amiga Kernel Engineer/Designer (mks)
there is at least one reason not to buy products from intel....
intel built a cpu factory (fab) on occupied palestinian land. they help to financially support an oppressive and racist regime.
Go AMD!
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-intel.html
Fade to intro: granny is sipping tea while working on the computer. She's checking some new recipes online and sending an e-mail to grandson jimmy. She hits the 'Send' button in Outlook and WHA-ZAM! that email is sent so fast by her new Intel 64-bit Nacona that it's almost illegal.. Wowza.
I prefer to get Opterons over "Xeopterons", if for no other reason than because Intel blatantly ripped off the 64-bit extensions from AMD, and didn't even bother mentioning them in the "ia32e" specification documentation.
Granted, AMD is making designs based on Intel's ancient and decrepit architecture, but at least they acknowledge this and give Intel credit where credit is due. Many of AMD's AMD64 technology papers are published as the differences between Intel's IA32 papers and their design.
Of course, the fact that Opterons scale better due to not sharing all memory bandwidth between CPUs, using HyperTransport for interCPU communication, and having a dedicated and integrated low-latency memory controller for each individual CPU helps in the Opteron-vs-Xeopteron choice as well....
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
OMG I cannot believe you are all so blind! THIS IS THE EVIL TECHNOLOGY! RUN AWAY! NOCONA WILL KILL LINUX! NO MORE RIPPING DVDS! OH NOOOOOOO!
talking about some crappy Intel CPU because the AS/400 (iSeries) has done this for quite some time and the RS/6000 (pSeries) will be able to do this before the end of this year with the announcement of Power5.
It's not just the mainframes. The iSeries (AS/400) can do this, including sub-processor partitioning, as well as their pSeries (RS/6000, i.e. UNIX) line. With the release of Power5 this year, the pSeries line will get virtual I/O and sub-processor partitioning.
Maybe you meant one of these when you said mainframe.
What an unfortunate name that one is ... Same happened here to the Car Opel Ascona and the the bycicle branded Kona .. all because of the inclusion of the sub word "cona" or phonetic similarities with it, that's the equivalent to the jargon word "pussie". And in the case of the processor it's even worse .. because it's "Nocona" .. or as we might understand .. Nopussie .. Who would buy such a thing ;D??
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LOL
For a troll, that shit was fuckin funny... congrats!
Never mind. I wish at times like these that Slashdot let you nuke your posts.
Somebody really wants to learn how to use apostrophes.
Opteron has coolness factor built in... but in the end Intel wins... sad but true. It's strictly up to Intel to mess this one up.
I understand that at the time, it was in AMD's best interest to sign the cross-licensing agreements... but here is a clear case where it will hurt AMD. AMD better have a rabbit in their hat, or it's "show's over".
Here is one Check out entries 4 and 6. Same type of interconnect between nodes, the Opteron cluster has 316 CPU's more, and is slower.
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The first example is scientific code, where communcation is high both between CPU's and between nodes
The 40 million lines of code is for the whole system. That would be like the kernel, xfree86, KDE, Mozilla, and all the system tools and utilities.
"Taligent is still pure vapor. Maybe they'll be the last who jumps up on Openstep... "
Search google for pages in Portugese with the word "cona", then "translate this page" on the first link and you get this perversion:
" MY CURIOUS TOUPEIREX:
ALREADY WE CAME BACK Of the MISSION THAT In them TOOK the LISBON... or EITHER TO FOLLOW MY BROTHER-in-law CELESTINO To SUCH NECESSITY GAY TO TAKE OFF CLEAN IF IT WOULD BE GAY OR NOT. I, the CELESTINO, COUSIN ILDA, NEIGHBOR ARMANDINA And the SISTER Of It, the CONSTANCY PREPARED A GOOD MERENDA And Set It WAY Of the CAPARICA."
Worse than goatse!
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