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Monday's Planet Views Best Until 2036

An anonymous reader writes "NASA is reporting that Monday night, March 22nd, offers a rare, naked-eye glimpse of our five prominent astronomical neighbors--Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and the Moon--in close proximity in the night sky, near to the familiar Orion constellation. This contrasts with the picture of the 'Fab Five' shot by Voyager looking back on the inner solar system. Monday's aligned view is not likely to appear in this configuration again until 2036."

49 comments

  1. "Not likely?" by notsoclever · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd say it's pretty much certain that we won't see that configuration again until 2036, unless Jupiter is knocked out of orbit or something...

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    1. Re:"Not likely?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an example, there is only 10% difference or so in Mars' close approach, but that is enough to make all countries aim for it every 26 months. So this style of alignment will occur many times befor 2036, just not with this much observational convenience.

    2. Re:"Not likely?" by notsoclever · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, I think that the amazingness of the view is because it's got five planetary-type bodies in view at once.

      I was just poking a little fun at how the original poster said it wasn't likely to happen again until 2036 since without any large amount of external force being applied to one of them, the probability of their orbits being affected beyond our current predictions of their orbital mechanics is effectively zero.

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  2. Been looking forward to this by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The 35mm camera and the 28mm widefield lens are ready. :) Wish my digital could do longer exposures...

    Get outside and take a look at the sky during the next couple weeks. It's worth it. Having this many planets in this small a section of sky doesn't happen very often. Take your kids out there too, and explain to them what they are seeing (it's a good time to demonstrate to them that planets really don't twinkle like stars do, and why - they can see the evidence with their own eyes.)

    Oh, and there will almost certainly be a lot of good pix on alt.binaries.pictures.astro after the 22nd.

    Clear skies everyone.

    SB

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    1. Re:Been looking forward to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Planets don't twinkle like stars do? Do either twinkle at all? I want an explanation.

    2. Re:Been looking forward to this by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google is your friend

      Being rather busy at the moment...

      SB

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    3. Re:Been looking forward to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I'll be damned. Thanks!

    4. Re:Been looking forward to this by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      You're welcome :)

      SB

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    5. Re:Been looking forward to this by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'll probably need a fish-eye lens more than a wide-field. The spread is 135 degrees, which I'm not sure really counts as a small section of sky.

      I'd say that it's less a chance for astrophotography and more for a chance to go outside and view the 5 nake-eye planets with your own two eyes. Not many people have seen all 5 of them, particularly Mercury.

    6. Re:Been looking forward to this by Wirr · · Score: 1
      (it's a good time to demonstrate to them that planets really don't twinkle like stars do, and why - they can see the evidence with their own eyes.)



      Erm...I have no idea why...Could you explain?

    7. Re:Been looking forward to this by Brahmastra · · Score: 1

      If the moon is close to the planets, the planets are unlikely to show up because the moon is way brighter. Your best bet is to take one picture exposed for the moon, one exposed for the planets and then merge them in photoshop

    8. Re:Been looking forward to this by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      Well, relatively small. I plan on doing several exposures staggered at about 30-60 degrees; as Brahmastra below notes, I'll need a seperate one for the moon anyway. Actually with the long twilights where I live, I'll probably go thru 2 different rolls of film trying different settings and overlaps :)

      What I hate about fisheye lenses is the loss of definition and the distortion. Really good ones minimize that but they're expensive.

      Anyway, looks like clear skies tonite... :)

      SB

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    9. Re:Been looking forward to this by jefft · · Score: 4, Funny
      The spread is 135 degrees, which I'm not sure really counts as a small section of sky.

      No problem you just need to back up a little.

    10. Re:Been looking forward to this by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Stars are so far away that they're effectively points... zero radius, zero area. So when a little disturbance in the atmosphere distorts the light coming from them, you see the effect as a twinkle. A planet is much closer and shows a disc (radius something larger than zero) even if it's too small to see with the naked eye. Now the same atmospheric disturbances average over the area of the disc and the effect tends to cancel... a little dimming in one area this moment, a similar dimming in another area next moment, so you see a much steadier intensity -- no twinkling.

    11. Re:Been looking forward to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't you know, my negative karma kicked in. I just got a Meade 125-ETX a few weeks ago, and aside from getting a fairly decent view of Jupiter a couple of days ago, the weather has been SHIT where I live.

      It was pouring rain and I missed this event. Maybe I'll still be alive in 2036? :p

      By the way, I can't make heads or tails over that fucking Autostar thing. I ended up pointing the fucker manually at the star until I saw something. This shit 'aint for amateurs. :-)

    12. Re:Been looking forward to this by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      :( Mine, too. Despite forecasts of a clear sky, we had high altitude cirrus & haze and fog and all I could see was a fuzzy moon and very fuzzy Venus. Calls out of town revealed it was the same all over. Sigh.

      Well, at least the moon will still be a fairly slim crescent over the next few days. Some more chances to photograph, anyway.

      I'm getting ready for work so time limited, but try googling the web for tutorials on the Meade. IIRC there are some out there.

      Luck
      SB

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  3. Stellarium for finding them by isn't+my+name · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And if you need help identifying which is which, or exactly where they are, Stellarium is a great GPL'd product available for Linux, Win and Mac.

    Sourceforge page

    1. Re:Stellarium for finding them by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 3, Informative

      To that I'd like to add that KStars is great planetarium program, and Celestia is just an awesome program in general.

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    2. Re:Stellarium for finding them by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Shameless self-promotion: this open-source applet lets you figure out which naked-eye planets you're seeing, without having to install software. (Your browser has to support Java.)

    3. Re:Stellarium for finding them by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
      Oblig. Gentoo quote:
      emerge stellarium celestia
      Sorry, just had to do it... :)
  4. Astrology is finally losing ground... by no+longer+myself · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I can remember a decade or two ago, people actually believed that such cosmic alignments would result in earthquakes, floods, and other supernatural disasters. Trying to rationally explain the effects of gravity to them didn't help much either.

    It's nice to regularly see stories like this without having the dreaded doomsday angle.

    Of course there's always a catch to these stories: You won't see anything like this until (insert far-off date here). With so many fascinating things in astronomy, you'll have plenty of opportunities to see an amazing show on any given clear night.

    1. Re:Astrology is finally losing ground... by shadowbearer · · Score: 1

      I saw a story concerning this (well, the title of the article in the mag anyway) on the front page of a tabloid at a supermarket while I was waiting in line. This was, oh, a few weeks ago; I forget which tabloid it was. Basic doomsday stuff. Thought nothing of it...

      You're right tho; it seems like stories of that nature have been declining in recent years. Good! Maybe with Hubble and the internet contributing to more astronomy education, the tabloid publishers are losing their "market share" *grin* Not that there won't still be a huge market (and associated loonies) for these types of stories. *shudder*

      I'm going to have to take a look at a few of those mags next time I'm there... in the interest of research (and hilarity of course) :)

      SB

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    2. Re:Astrology is finally losing ground... by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that we're really improved. Less than 4 years ago, the kinda-sorta-alignment on 5 May 2000 generated a lot of doomsday nonsense. This one may have just slipped in under the radar, so to speak. (Maybe all of the doomsday folks are still chagrined that we're all still alive depsite their predictions that we'd die when the 12th planet swung by last May?)

    3. Re:Astrology is finally losing ground... by panthro · · Score: 1
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  5. get out your telescope! by OneOver137 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have access to one, that is. Unfortunately, with the exception of Jupiter and Saturn, don't expect too much. Mars is 6 months past opposition, and very small in a scope, even at high power. Venus won't show much more than a featureless gibbous disk. Jupiter and Saturn will show a wealth of detail, however. Saturn is in the constellation Gemini, and Jupiter is in Leo. The best time for both is when they are up highest in the sky, which for Saturn is as soon as you can see it, and Jupiter hits the zenith about midnight. Check out Clear Sky Clocks for your area and pay close attention to the "Seeing" forecast if you are using a scope. Happy observing! Oh yeah, don't forget to check out the Moon. It will set early, and won't show much "face" to check out telescopically. A cool thing to show your non-astronomical significant other is to draw line through the ecliptic with your finger and then tell them to think how we are between Venus and Mars. Most people will be impressed.

    1. Re:get out your telescope! by idttau · · Score: 2, Informative

      saturn, though, has its rings perpendicular to us right now, making it one of the most spectacular views for another 50 years or so. venus is still incredibly close, this past august it was the closest it's been for 60,000 years.

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  6. Article text... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Monday Sky Best To 2036 based on JPL report The banner image shows a view looking back to Earth and the inner planets from the Voyager spacecraft as it left our solar system. The evocative image shows even the massive Jupiter as a tiny dot [click banner for large view]. March 22nd offers a view looking the other way, as the 'Fab Five' astronomical objects in our neighborhood all align in a tight skyview--the best such glimpse until perhaps 2036. Like a busy urban family, planets rarely get together all at once. Later this month, however, the five so-called naked-eye planets -- Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn -- will reunite in the night sky, giving spectators a unique chance to see Earth's gay niggers in one easy sitting. This illustration shows where the five naked-eye planets and the Moon will lie in the sky just after sunset on March 22. The view is looking toward the western horizon. Saturn will be visible almost directly overhead. Jupiter, not pictured here, follows the line of the planets but is almost to the eastern horizon. Cmdr Taco will be sandwiched between the Earth, and three well hung men. Both maps on this page were made for a latitude of 34 degrees north, where Los Angeles resides, but the planets will similarly appear in a line across the sky from all locations. Image Credit: NASA/JPL The gathering will be visible every night for an hour after sunset, beginning around March 22 and lasting about two weeks. While other felching opportunities will take place over the next few years, both at dawn and dusk, this one is not to be missed. "This particular planetary grouping will quite possibly offer the best night-time views until 2036," says Dr. Myles Standish, an astronomer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. For early risers, there will be another chance to see all five naked-eye planets together just before sunrise in December of this year and early January 2005. Since ancient times, the naked-eye planets have intrigued and inspired onlookers all over the world. But only sporadically, usually every few years or so, do their orbits take them to the same side of the Sun. When this happens, the planets stretch across the morning or evening skies depending on which side of the Sun they reside. More rare are planetary alignments in which the five planets assemble in a very small Natalie Portman statue. "Every so often the five visible planets will collect on one side of the Sun," says Standish. "Only when conditions are right, will they all be clearly visible at either dusk or dawn." The Details To catch the planetary get-together, you'll need a good view of the sky, free of buildings and bright city lights (you should still be able to see the planets through urban light pollution). The show begins around March 22 and lasts through early April, when Mercury fades from sight. The finest views will take place during the last 8 to 10 days of March. Comparison of Mars, Venus and Earth in water bands, showing the clear presence of water on Earth uniquely Credit: NASA Workshop, Pale Blue Dot Begin by looking to the western horizon each evening just after sunset. Seated in a row up and across the sky will be Mercury, Venus, Rob Malda, Mars and Saturn. Saturn will lie almost directly overhead. Following the line of the planets, Jupiter will be close to the eastern horizon. Together, the planets will span about 135 degrees. About an hour after dusk, Mercury will dip below the western horizon. The Moon will also be attending the festivities, mingling through the planets in an orderly fashion. On March 22, it will take a seat next to Mercury, and then climbing up the night sky, it will end its tour on April 1 right above mighty Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system. As the Moon slides from planet to planet, it will grow in size from a slender crescent to a nearly full circle of white. Note that Venus is currently brighter than usual because of where it lies in relation to Earth and the Sun. The Moon and planets will appear to follow nearly the same path through the stars. T

  7. And the weather is bad :( by bluGill · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I saw the story and got excited: I better go outside now! Bundle (just below freezing up, and I see fog. :( Two bright objects in the sky, I'm guessing one is Venus, the other Mars, or maybe Jupiter. (You can see how much an astronomer I am from that) After a few minutes I could see a few stars, but it was clear that there is little chance of seeing much more, and nothing would be clear.

    I know, the problem astronomers everywhere face. Still wish it hadn't happened tonight. Lession to everyone: go out every night and look, since the first night isn't until tomorrow and I have 8-10 days of really good viewing I have a chance to see something. Don't blow your chance, if tonight is the only clear night in a while you will kick yourself for not spending a least a few minutes outside looking.

    I live in the country, but still my neighbor across the street with his one light on was enough to annoy my viewing. Went the the backyard and discovered that a monitor makes a very good light to see by. I'll have to do something about that in the morning when I try again.

    P.S. If you are in the Twin Cities are you are welcome to attempt a viewing from my yard. Better than the city, though not nearly as good as heading way out would be.

    1. Re:And the weather is bad :( by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      Being a former minnesotan, the only way I know of to find decent dark skies from the TC is to head NE into Wisconsin. Way past Eau Claire.

      It's been a while, but I know that even back in the mid 90s the skyglow around the TC and outer suburbs/inner rural was atrocious.

      Of course I'm more of a deep-sky type rather than planetary conjunctions :)

      Enjoy, friend. Nice to know one can still at least see the planets from "rural" Twin Cities (Fifty million backyard 500w halogen security lights and counting) :)

      Oh, for really, really dark skies - if you want to travel some - try between Thief River Falls, MN and East Grand Forks. Some of the country road views out there are astounding, and it's 360/180 - very flat country.

      Cheers
      SB

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    2. Re:And the weather is bad :( by bluGill · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my skies aren't that dark. When I look southeast I see a large glow. However I own an acre of land, and my closest neighbor's don't leave many lights on. I went out again latter to clear Skies, but the neighbor across the street had one light on (I'm guessing 60 watts), 150 feet away, and it was very bright in my front yard. Behind the house it was better, but that limited my views to the south.

      The darkest Skies I've seen are in North Dakota where the nearest neighbor is a mile away (Somewhat less as the crow flys)

    3. Re:And the weather is bad :( by shadowbearer · · Score: 1


      Yeah, North Dakota is good. Wyoming is even better; the best I've ever seen was the Four Corners area (Utah, AZ, NM, CO); what people? *grin* but it's quite a lot of driving, even from here.

      I live in a small town, so the skies aren't super dark, but they're not too bad. Then again it's only 15 miles to the Wyo border and really dark skies. Pretty decent weather (compared to MN) even in January, which is a plus.

      Cheers
      SB

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  8. Correction by Mr.+Ophidian+Jones · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just a quick correction: the five objects visible include Mercury, not necessarily the moon. See the article for details.

  9. Sigh by Sprinkels · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, I think it is really romantic. ;-)

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who asked you, Sprinkels?

  10. Grammar: No such thing as "close proximity" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since the phrase "far proximity" makes no logical sense, then is not the phrase "near proximity" equally nonsense?

    Things are in proximity, or they are not.

    1. Re:Grammar: No such thing as "close proximity" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Folks, don't let another damn grammar meme catch on.

  11. thats what you think... by Cyno01 · · Score: 1

    just because nobody specifically mentioned it doesn't mean the sky's not going to start on fire tomorrow night a 9:23e/8:16c, just as nostrodamus predicted, oh yeah, and divide tomorrows date by the square route of pi times your mothers birthday, i think you'll find something interesting...

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  12. Adding constellation overlays by isn't+my+name · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I had downloaded Stellarium over a year ago when my young son was first starting to be interested in stars. Haven't used it much, but kept it installed on the computer. That was why I remembered it to do the parent post.

    I started poking around the sourceforge forum, and not only is my version out of date, but they are actively working on a project to add constellation overlays into the display. Check out Ursa Major and a toucan constellation I'm not familiar with.

    Cool stuff.

  13. Oh my god... by irokitt · · Score: 1

    Planets? Clustering?

    The end is near! Back up your files, because I predict a monumental worm that will destroy every computer that uses Windows!

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  14. And the snow. by noselasd · · Score: 1

    Ok, best view until 32 years. And it's god damn snowing. No chance in he** of seeing a star :-(

  15. Very cool by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

    The only problem is that it makes me want to go into space... well, more than I did already...

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  16. Nights like this... by Amata · · Score: 1

    I hate the fact that I live in a big-ass city, wtih no means of getting far enough away from it to actually see stars at night again.

  17. Belt of Orion viewed from mars by polyp2000 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thats pretty cool, but a little further down the page I found this...

    Orions Belt Viewed From Mars

    Thats pretty cool! I used celestia some while ago to find out what orion looked like from Mars and this shows just how accurate that program is.

    nick ...

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    1. Re:Belt of Orion viewed from mars by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you could tell the difference between "Orion's Belt from Earth" and "Orion's Belt from Mars" on your computer screen, I'd like to buy your monitor. Because the difference is way, way, way, way, way, way , WAY below one pixel's size on your screen.

      You want to change the starfield to any degree, you need to travel lightyears, not a few piddly million miles.

    2. Re:Belt of Orion viewed from mars by polyp2000 · · Score: 1

      Chuckle, ;) I dont think i mentioned there being any major differences.

      I am not an astrophysicist by any long shot, and using celestia I was able to see orion from mars, albeit in a simulated environment. I was suprised to learn that Orion looked the same from Mars , as on Earth, as i kinda expected the stars to be in different positions. As you correctly identify, they are not noticably different. Its still a cool picture though.

      nick ...

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  18. comets coming, inept editing by linoleo · · Score: 2, Informative

    From the article:

    In April and May of this year, two naked-eye comets, C/2001 Q4 and C/2002 T7, will grace the twilight skies. To spot the cosmic balls of dust and ice look to the west at dusk or dawn.

    Look to the west at dusk *or* dawn? Yeah right. Probably got shortened by an overzealous editor from the correct "to the west at dusk or the east at dawn". Amazingly inept editing for an astrobiology site. The linked article has more (and correct) information.

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  19. She didn't want to talk to me. by Sprinkels · · Score: 1

    Well, I tried to get to know Her.

    I tried to be kind and considerative...

    But She just rejected me, whithout any explanation what so ever, I don't why She did that. I really admired Her. She could've just simple say why She didn't like me. &-|

    I guess, She thought I was too pushy, too jealus, too obsessive, too emotional...

    Perhaps, I hurt her at a painfull place... I really regret that.

    I really thought, She was the one. &-|

    And I hope that if She reads this, She might reconsider. I am willing to wait until She is ready.

    Otherwise, I hope She will find love and happiness somewhere else... Only the stars will know.

    1. Re:She didn't want to talk to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Okay, that's my sappy romanticism dose for this year and the next.