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RMS to Move Into Bill Gates Building Today

In anonymous reader writes "RMS will be moving his office to the new William H. Gates building at MIT's Stata Center starting today. This marks the end of MIT's use of building NE43, which housed the LCS and AI labs (now combined into CSAIL). On a strangely unrelated note, shortly after Harvard, in a laudable attempt to retain solidarity with the Open Source community, dedicated the Maxwell Dworkin building (named after Gates' and Ballmer's mothers respectively), Gates' credit card was hacked. After all, they did have his mother's maiden name... "

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  1. Use punctuation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Harvard, in a laudable attempt to retain solidarity with the Open Source community, dedicated the Maxwell Dworkin building (named after Gates' and Ballmer's mothers respectively)

    How does this attempt to retain solidarity with the OSS community? The entire post is one gigantic run-on sentence, so maybe I am not reading it correctly?

  2. how stupid by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How stupid can you be? In the article, it says he stole the credit card numbers to prove how insecure things were. If that wasn't enough, he emailed the info to NBCi. Why do these people think that they're the "good guys" when they do this?

    1. Re:how stupid by theLOUDroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How stupid can you be? In the article, it says he stole the credit card numbers to prove how insecure things were. If that wasn't enough, he emailed the info to NBCi. Why do these people think that they're the "good guys" when they do this?

      He is right though. The credit card system is ridiculously insecure, and we all pay for it in one way or another.

      There's no reason someone I buy $20 worth of pizza from should have all the information necessary to charge an arbitrary amount of money to my credit card for the next few years.

      The technology exists for us to all have keyring-sized computers which employ public-private key crypto. This would mean I would authorize a one-time trasfer of $20 to the pizza place, and in order for them to be able to charge me again, I would need to give them a totally new transaction key.

      Why isn't the credit card system being replaced? Who knows.....but it's silly and stupid.

      I should never have to give anyone my bank account or credit card number. These days, it should all be handled using transaction keys with authorize a specfic amount, in a certain direction, to a specfic account, on a certain date.

      I'm not defending this guy, I just think the current credit card system it totally stupid from a security point of view.

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    2. Re:how stupid by broeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's here in Denmark (some European country :P) where crackers were plenty (today there is only scriptkiddies left, thank you MS).

      Many of those got to prison for one or two years, and afterwards got a nicely paid job at a large computer security company, if they didn't start it themselves. I remember the medias always telling this, and actually indirectly encouraging more people to do cracking (or spawning even more scriptkiddies), just to prove security holes. Pretty much ironic, but these people are probably the best for this kind of job.

      Cultures like 2600, CCC, cDc are not only experimenting chaos-theories, but also contributing to more secure computing. Testing is the only way to find security lacks.

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    3. Re:how stupid by Mmm+coffee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For christ's sakes, must absolutely _everything_ be turned into some anti-MS rant?! Someone gets Gate's CC info and people try to spin it into being MS's fault. This is totally and completely bullshit. There are tons of serious reasons to speak out against the Microsoft, when you go off on them by trying to spin something this idiotic all you do is make everyone else who has valid points look like idiots in relation.

      Nobody cares about them being ruled a monopoly anymore becuase of the mindless drones going "Linux raa, Microsoft boo" in Orwelian duckspeak every time they open their mouths. I exclusively use a copy of GNU/Linux I built myself and even I find this crap to be aggrivating! You want to help the forces that are working against Microsoft? Shut up. Just shut. The. Fuck. Up. To say that it's Bill's fault that his CC numbers is stolen is on the same level as saying that a girl diserved to get raped for wearing a sexy dress. Asshole or not, he is the victim and not the perpetrator.

      So goddamn tired of the Linux zealots that it makes me ashamed to know I am one.... sheesh...

      Screw Anonymous Coward. Kill my karma. I don't give a fsck.

    4. Re:how stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Also I don't buy pizza with a credit card. Jesus man, don't you have an ATM near by."

      Cash is a hassle; you have to keep track of how many slips of paper you have in your wallet. Credit card? It's always right there with me.

      Plus, with my Discover and American Express, I get some tiny percentage back, so by buying that $20 pizza, I earn a few cents back.

      Not having to deal with maintaining an inventory of cash _and_ a discount on everything I buy? That's a deal in my book.

      Plus, as long as I pay my bill on time, it's free; I don't carry a balance, so I don't get charged interest.

      AND, it builds good credit for me, so I'll have a better rating when I want to do something larger (i.e. buy a house)

      So to recap:
      1) Reuse a piece of plastic, rather than having to keep track of and replenish a supply of paper
      2) Get money back. Sure, it's small, but $100 a year is better than $0.
      3) It improves my credit rating.

      Yeah, that makes me want to run to the ATM.

  3. I love it...script kiddies ultimate defense by BurKaZoiD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Gray says he is actually the good guy. He said "I just wanted to prove how insecure these sites are. I have done the honest thing, but I have been ignored."

    That's like shooting someone just to prove how unsafe firearms are.

    *shakes head*

    1. Re:I love it...script kiddies ultimate defense by gormanly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      4, Insightful? FFS. Using the CC numbers to buy yourself a small country might be vaguely similar, but if you think it's equivalent you're showing very little regard for the value of a human life.

      Picking up a gun you saw/found on a fairground ride and waiving it around shouting "Look, gun!" would be a closer firearms analogy...

    2. Re:I love it...script kiddies ultimate defense by LoudMusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gray says he is actually the good guy. He said "I just wanted to prove how insecure these sites are. I have done the honest thing, but I have been ignored."

      That's like shooting someone just to prove how unsafe firearms are.


      I disagree. Hacking is one thing, and I believe his statement is correct. However, using the information he obtained for illegal acts is just stupid. If he can hack a credit company he needs to apply for a job.

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  4. Facinating about the credit card bit by downix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the term about those kids that felt that they were doing the "right thing" that is most apt is "shoot the messenger." Some young kids uncover security holes that could lead into millions of fraud if not patched, and then tell the authorities, let's arrest the kids. Makes it less likely that some good samaritin will do the same in the future, leaving security holes open for those less ethical to actually steal the money!

    What's next, arresting the kid that stuck his finger into the dike?

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    1. Re:Facinating about the credit card bit by Maestro4k · · Score: 5, Insightful
      • I think the term about those kids that felt that they were doing the "right thing" that is most apt is "shoot the messenger." Some young kids uncover security holes that could lead into millions of fraud if not patched, and then tell the authorities, let's arrest the kids. Makes it less likely that some good samaritin will do the same in the future, leaving security holes open for those less ethical to actually steal the money!
      This is a bit different than just finding security holes and reporting them. They actually gained access to the credit card numbers and (persumably) account information for many accounts. They didn't just find and report the holes, they exploited them, THEN reported them. This would be akin to you noticing your neighbor left the keys in his car and you decided to take it for a ride before telling him about it.
  5. Re:Bill Gates: An American Hero by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's a guy who started a company from scratch,

    From birth, William Gates III was a millionaire. (Trust fund from wealthy parents). The lowest net-worth he's ever experienced is greater than the highest an average American can ever expect.

  6. Re:Curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's sad is bill Gates has donated well over twenty billion dollars to charities, including his own and you all still bitch and moan and call him the great satan because he doesn't want you to see his source code. That's about 1/3 of his total net worth. In contrast, how much has our Vice President Dick Cheney donated to charity....a staggering 1%.

    I'm posting AC because judging by your +4 insigtful score the mods are abusing their moderation points again and I don't feel like taking the karma hit.

  7. Re:Bill Gates: An American Hero by the_womble · · Score: 4, Insightful
    he's now the most generous philanthropist too

    How generous: give some money away AFTER you have ruthlessly and greedily made more than you could possibly actually use yourself.

    I prefer Jesus' view of what constitutes generosity to yours.

  8. RMS = Richard Stallman? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a few RMSes there, and on a news site an acronym should never be used without using the full form first.

  9. It's called sarcasm by GillBates0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    though it was a pretty obscure attempt at it. Maybe a [sarcasm][/sarcasm] would've helped.

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  10. Re:Curious by vasqzr · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Considering many of his 'donations' are Windows PC's and Microsoft software...

  11. Re:Bill Gates: An American Hero by dAzED1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Troll :P Constant Bill-bashing is silly in its own right, but wanting to suck him off is far worse.

    First, he never started from scratch. He was born very rich, then got even luckier.

    Second, he donates less of a percentage of his disposable income than I do by FAR. In fact, I'd suggest that the average American donates a considerably higher percentage of their disposable income than he does. $20Mill is nothing to him - it would be like me handing out $40 over the course of a year to things (homeless, the church, Girl Scouts, whatever). $20Mill is 1/2000 of his worth. The average American is lucky to have a net worth in the 5 figures...most live paycheck to paycheck with 4 figure accounts (which means they only need to donate $10 a year to blow Bill to bits, percentage-wise), and make mortgage payments until they die.

    There's also the tax benefits to the "foundation," which he sits on for further benefits (why just donate money, when you can start a foundation? and name it after yourself? and sit on the board?).

    When most Americans would be fiscally devastated by a $1,000 unexpected expense, Bill could have a $100,000,000 unexpected expense and not change his lifestyle AT ALL.

    The foundation, the scholarships, and everything else is all just PR for him, to make people dislike him less. And it works, obviously.

    Third point: if he was truely being generous, his name wouldn't be on any buildings.

    Fourth point: the "legacy" of his foundation will last only as long as his money is in it. Its done nothing all that substantial. His business finess though has made a very substantial impact on the planet, and will be remembered for a very long time.

  12. Rather appropriate by fm6 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    RMS is the classic schoolyard radical. He has all these social theories that he's never had to test in the real world, because he's spent his entire professional career subsisting on grant money.

    Don't get me wrong -- there's nothing wrong with taking grant money. Just because something isn't economically sustainable, doesn't mean it's not worth doing. I just get very tired of the way the "Free Software" folk insist that they've transcended the evils of software "ownership". Which they've never actually done. Their bills are paid for by revenues from the very businesses they are too pure to work for.

    So of course RMS now works in a building that was paid for by the license fees that Microsoft gouged out of hapless computer buyers. What could be more appropriate?

    1. Re:Rather appropriate by stand · · Score: 4, Insightful
      RMS is the classic schoolyard radical. He has all these social theories that he's never had to test in the real world, because he's spent his entire professional career subsisting on grant money.

      You seem to be laboring under the impression that grant money simply falls from the sky to anyone who asks for it.

      Grant money is just as scare a resource and has as many competitors for it as, say venture capital funds. I'd say the two processes are quite similar, in fact, though the critieria for making awards is somewhat different.

      To the extent that RMS may have subsisted on grant funds is a reflection of the fact that people think his ideas have merit within the very real marketplace thereof.

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  13. Re:Curious by glwtta · · Score: 4, Insightful
    you all still bitch and moan and call him the great satan because he doesn't want you to see his source code.

    Um, no, I bitch because he's committed the rest of his vast resources to destroying my livelihood (as a software developer).

    Incidentally, are you seriously trying to make him look good by comparing him to Dick Cheney? There's a popularity contest that's hard to lose.

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  14. Re:Revision to the song by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IF someone were to ask me to key them into a secured area that they didn't have access to I would say no. There may be reasons that the building has security you know. I don't know all of them but for those of us in the real world things like pass cards are a frequent fact of life. And if it was RMS doubly so.

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  15. Re:Gates ain't all that and a bag of potato chips. by SnappleMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "very little respect for the human race"

    Gates may not be an angel but wtf are you talking abot? Are you implying he is a sociopath, a mass-murderer, or what?

    What have you done lately to demonstrate *your* "respect for the human race"?

    And for the record, I have very little respect for the human race myself. Does that make me evil too? I guess not - I'm not uber-wealthy.

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  16. How about a copper coin? by stomv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This may sound corny, but I'm of the opinion that somebody who donates 10% of their meager substainance is far more generous than somebody that gives away 90% of his luxury, leaving him with, well, luxury.

    It's nice that Gates is giving away money -- even if it was obtained dishonestly/unethically/illegally. However, to applaud his gifts is a bit silly methinks. The money he gives has little value to him, in the sense that it cannot be used to greatly improve his quality of life. Therefore, his gifts have cost him little.

    So, from my perspective: he gives away plenty of money, but isn't at all generous with it.

  17. Re:From scratch? by edremy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm the same as you. I *didn't* start from scratch.

    I had upper-middle class parents, a Mom who didn't work outside the home and who always had time for homework. I had a decent public school to go to, then an even better private one, followed by a college paid for by my folks. (Public, so I didn't need loans.)

    Compare that to someone growing up in a single parent home, with that parent holding two jobs to pay the rent on a crappy apartment in a war zone. The nearby schools graduate kids who can barely read and have no college prep classes. College is funded totally by loans because they've got to work 40+ hours a week to live while going to school. After college, they've got a pile of debt to pay off-get a job now, no matter how bad. Failure doesn't mean that you go back and live with Daddy while you sort out your options, failure means going on welfare or being homeless.

    You are I are blessed far beyond what you think. We've got the education, we've got the parents to bail us out if we get into serious trouble, we don't have to worry about Mom losing one of her two dead-end jobs and getting tossed out of her apartment. Gates was even more so- he *never* had to worry about money, even if MS tanked. He was a millionaire to start.

    In grad school, I had a long discussion with my (black) roommate asking why there were huge numbers of blacks in med, law and engineering schools and less than 1% in my chemistry department. His answer: when you're the first kid to get this far, money matters. Money matters a *lot*- you're going to have to pay back a fortune. (And he commented that he needed to be able to give back to others as well- someone's got to help pull the other smart but forgotten kids out of the hole.) Chemistry is great for middle class white kids who can afford to not think about the bottom line.

    From what you say, you've *never* had to really think about the bottom line. Neither have I. We're lucky.

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