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New DVD Burners To Double Capacity

clester writes "CNN reports that new dual-layer DVD-burning drives will be released very soon by Philips and Sony that will double the capacity of DVD drives, making a complete copy of your dual-layer DVDs theoretically possible. It will use dual layer technology that will hold up to 8.5GB, and will cost around $230 for an internal and $330 for external, burning all 8.5GB in approximately 45 minutes."

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  1. Quite a low introductory price! by michael+path · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a very low price for the technology to be released at. At those prices, we'll probably see a large number of early adopters. It makes me wonder what we'll see it for next year.

    Considering I spent $250 on an external USB2 DVD+R/RW drive just last year, I can already regret my purchase.

    1. Re:Quite a low introductory price! by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $6 isn't terrible. Then again, a store-bought DVD prerecorded with a $100M movie on it costs only about twice as much -- making it a dubious proposition for pirates.

    2. Re:Quite a low introductory price! by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is a good price, but I think it's because it's not really new tech. DVDs compared to CDs are new technology, and DVD burners were very expensive at first. Dual layer DVDs compared to single layer are updated technology and therefore do not need a high entry price.

    3. Re:Quite a low introductory price! by n0d3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing is, in IT land you always have to wait for years, cos something new is just around the corner. So to just 'wait' is nonsese. The only reason i see to wait (why I am waiting actually) is for the plextor to ship a dual layer drive (gotta love plextor) especially a 'faster' dual layer one (2.4 is ok, but 4 would be nicer) that does +-R/RW and not only + or -. The 'errors' are very unlikely as they are the same drives with a dual layer firmware, or better yet, they might use just a bit newer drives with better firmwares. The chance of lots of coasters and lots of errors, rather slim.

    4. Re:Quite a low introductory price! by S.Lemmon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's why in "IT land" the point isn't to wait for the next hot new thing, but to go out and buy whatever the previous hot new thing was.

      It doesn't matter if it's CPUs, Video Cards, or DVD recorders. Early Adopter pay a premium for often unstable products that at best give them a few months worth of bragging rights. After that, Joe next door will be paying half the cost you did for a revision of the product that actually works far better.

      Heck, with all the media incompatibility problems still hounding single layer DVDs, I wouldn't put too much faith in the first dual layer recorders. Not to mention, with DVD media now under a dollar a disc, six buck for something that only holds twice as much doesn't seem like such a great deal.

  2. Media Reliability? by Cyclopedian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's cool that dual-layer DVD burners are coming out, but I have concerns about the reliability of dual-layered dvd(+|-)r media.

    Would adding an extra data layer be much more complex than just having a single layer? I haven't been happy with some of the reliability of some of the single layer DVD-R media I've bought.

    -Cyc

  3. News at noon: MPAA files suit by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully I'm joking, but don't be surprised if they don't file a suit to block sales of the devices in the US.

    Now that you could copy an entire 'real' DVD at once.. with no compression, they might start to panic. Since they obviously buy into the ' pirates are eating us alive syndrome'

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  4. Finally! by ziggy_zero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what I've been waiting for.

    Actually, now I have to wait until all the compatibility issues are figured out, THEN I'll finally get a DVD burner.

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  5. Re:'dd' illegal? by ejdmoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was wondering the same thing. It's not against the DMCA, at least, to copy something that's encrypted, right? It may be against copyright law, but in no way if you copy a DVD bit for bit then play the copy back are you circumventing any copy protection.

  6. Hardware legal, software banned ?! by agslashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Robert Moore, Founder and President of 321 Studios. "There is no difference between making a copy of a music CD for personal use and making a backup of a DVD movie for personal use."

    DVDXCopy was presumably one of the biggest consumer application for these DVD recorders. People made backups of their existing DVD collection using that software, and why shouldn't they ?

    But 321Studios was found guilty of violating the DMCA, and today we have the hardware to make copies legally available, getting cheaper & faster, while the software remains illegal.

  7. Bootable DVD for the XBOX? by MathFox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess you should be able to create bootable DVD's for the XBOX with those burners. Anybody wants to try a Linux DVD image?

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  8. New tech, same problems by saintp · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is lovely:
    They will be marketed only for Windows PCs, but the external one should work on Macintosh computers with the proper third-party software.
    I suppose Linux is right out. You gotta love desktop dominance. And, of course:
    The Sony and Philips drives will use somewhat different discs. Sony calls its variant DVD-R DL. The Philips equivalent is DVD+R DL.
    Standards!?!? We don't need no stinkin' standards! This is basically everything wrong with current peripherals, writ large. Give me a Linux-compatible DVD writer and a standard DVD format (+ or -, I don't care; leave that to the wonks), and that will be something to care about.
  9. Capacity is not problem, format is by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I attempt to get a DVD writer it's just a mess with all the RW + - x # +_.

    The capacity upgrade is expected overtime, but the format it feels like it's pending for changes year after year. And whatever happened to SCSI devices. 95% of the drives are IDE and it eats up your processor.

  10. Sony = DVD+R only dual sided by apachetoolbox · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Sony is supporting both DVD+R and DVD-R with its new drive, however, the 8.5 GB will be available only in DVD+R mode
  11. Re:Are these the same dual layer discs used today? by Gramie2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Presumably you are thinking about dual-layer pressed (i.e. commercial) DVDs, that aren't burned at all, but physically made from a master.

  12. Re:Linux support? by Ondo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Better than Windows (well, at least in my opinion). And by that I mean you don't need to purchase any tools to make DVDs.

    You can burn DVDs, make menus, etc., all with open source tools.


    That's not an advantage of Linux - you can do the same thing on Windows, with the same tools.

  13. The speed does not matter by way2trivial · · Score: 3, Insightful

    it's the effort required of the CPU that matters
    I have a external harddrive that can connect via USB 2.0 or firewire, and a DVD external with the same options... on usb2.0 heavy read/write traffic puts a 4-10% (once 16%) processor load on my 2.53 p4, firewire puts maybe 1% load....

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  14. Volume backups? Not likely! by msobkow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the quoted speeds, it would take over 10 hours of non-stop burning to back up a 120G of data.

    You could do selective backups with this device, but not actual servers. I seriously doubt the drive would last very long even if it was only expected to do a weekend image with weekday deltas.

    It sounds great for backing up large data files that don't change very often, but I don't deal with many of those. People keep wanting to change the database, website, and developer tree files all the time for some reason.

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