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Wal-Mart Relaunches Online Music Store

ack154 writes "The latest competitor in the paid music download business will now open its 'doors,' as Walmart begins selling songs at 88 cents online. It had recently finished a three month testing period and now will open to everyone. According to CNN, however, they don't care so much about selling music, 'Analysts have said the goal for Wal-Mart is to bring more people to its Web site.' Maybe they're taking cue from Apple in trying to sell something (iPod) else by using a music store? Articles can be found at Reuters, CNN and others." amichalo points out that this is really a re-entry, writing "The service was previously launched last December. No explanation as to the re-launch (cough-poor-sales-cough) other than the addition of exclusive artists."

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  1. ...but do they censor the online stuff too? by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Insightful
    After all, Wal-Mart does have a habit of "editing" certain CD's for language content and such... did they do the same to their online versions as well?

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    1. Re:...but do they censor the online stuff too? by mystery_bowler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can only imagine that they will.

      WalMart has been pretty consistent about selling only music that has been stripped of offensive content. Which I find strange, given that they sell R-rated movies. I don't mind if they position themselves as family-friendly vendor - whatever works, I guess - but it sure isn't consistent.

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  2. given the power that walmart has... by wankledot · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wouldn't be surprised if they were paying a LOT less per track to the labels than Apple, etc. are. Walmart is by far the most powerful force in retail, selling more CDs than anyone in the country. They can dictate to their supliers exactly what they want to pay, and they will always play ball. I'm sure they are capable of making more money than most other online stores for that simple reason. For an interesting look at Walmart's pricing, look around on the web for the article on the 1 gallon jar of pickles from Vlassic.

    With $250B in sales, that's $1k for every man, woman, and child in the US. So for the $3k they should get from my family (and won't) some other family is giving them $6k this year to make up for me not giving them a dime. It's staggering how huge they are.

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    1. Re:given the power that walmart has... by swb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But they can only push their suppliers so far, because at some point, the supplier goes out of business.

      I think suppliers end up cutting their prices to near zero profit margins first, and, if their management has any vision, they start cutting costs related to their products (labor, materials, etc), up to and including moving production overseas. I even think some suppliers get Walmart's assistance from a management perspective.

      I think the smart play has been to develop a line of "Walmart" products sold only at Walmart. These are cheaper products, made on contract in $third_world *just* to meet Walmart's pricing, packaging and other needs.

      Walmart is a kind of scary/evil force, to be sure.

    2. Re:given the power that walmart has... by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One big complaint I have against the smaller businesses, however, is that they're never open when I'm not at work. Wal-Mart and other large stores are. Why should I take time off from work just to buy something?

      If the smaller shops would stay open reasonable hours, maybe they'd get some business back from the megastores. It's not like they actually have to keep the store open that long, either; they could shift their hours to 11AM-9PM.

      This is actually why I try to do as much shopping as I can online; there are no hours of operation there, and I don't have to drive far out of my way.

    3. Re:given the power that walmart has... by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If a family in Kansas is making $50K a year, they are not doing it by selling socks at a local small-town boutique.

      And why should that family be expected to pay $6 a pair for socks just to keep a local business open? If all you are doing is selling me socks, you shouldn't be making more than minimum wage anyway. Go learn a skill.

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    4. Re:given the power that walmart has... by Infe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Best point I've heard about Wal-Mart literally, ever. I work night shift so on my off days I go to Wal-Mart 3, 4 in the morning. I don't expect that from local stores, but it's a major reason I shop there. And Wal-Mart can be beat on a lot of their prices, especially computer parts. The other day I wanted a simple USB hub and they wanted $30. Screw that, when I can get them on ebay for under 10 bucks, which is what I did. Computer price points are my main expertise so I'm not sure about other things, but it's hard for me to believe that computer parts are the only thing in Wal-Mart that is a bunch cheaper elsewhere.

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    5. Re:given the power that walmart has... by johnlcallaway · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Give it a rest. I've seen areas where WalMart did drive small companies out of business (South Portland and Biddeford Maine), but they attracted a lot more. I've got news for you, mom and pop stores don't pay much more than Wally World, and they definatley don't have the career possiblities. Scoff if you will, but you can start out a stock person and move up into management in a few years then get a job for somebody else. Of course not everyone can, but then not everyone moves into management in any company. You don't even have that choice in an overpriced mom and pop store, once a clerk always a clerk

      We may whine about the death of the inner city, but is that really where we want business to be?? To have people drive several miles through traffic laden streets into a downtown area? Better that they are in the suburbs close to where people live, and where other service oriented businesses can thrive.

      Times are changing, if those mom and pop businesses can't change and compete, bye-bye....

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    6. Re:given the power that walmart has... by nolife · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What that family doens't realize is that walmart is the reason that half the small businesses in their little town are gone, and people are out of work.

      Walmart puts no one out of business, the shoppers that stop going to the little stores does. People can and do choose what store they want to buy from. People choose Walmart over the small stores because of the prices, the hours, the convienence and the selection and who know what else. The people are voting with the dollar. You did not specifically mention it but I've heard an arguement that Walmart lowers prices until local businesses are gone, then raise them. That is complete bull. Walmart has the same prices over an entire geographical region, a car battery costs $39.95 in Charleston SC, Charleston WV, Pittsburgh PA, and Reading PA. Same with apple juice and underwear. You think they are going to raise the price in all of those areas when "Joes Battery shop" in Pittsburgh finally goes under?

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  3. Re:Sort of remarkable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Given that nobody, even the most frothing Windows bigot (if such a creature exists), actually likes WMA files, I don't see this getting far.

    "Wow. 88 cents a song for [Clean] versions of pop tunes which I can't play on my iPod, my Linux box, or most MP3 players? Hang on while I rush out to buy the latest version of XP and a supported portable WMA device so I can save 11 cents a song! I'll be right back!

  4. Re:Sort of remarkable by afidel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What I'm amazed at is that Walmart was able to beat enough price out of someone to lower the selling price by 12%. My guess is that the extra is coming out of the credit card companies who were probably told by Walmart that they better lower their charges or Wally World would start issueing their own credit cards that could be used at all Walmart locations, Sam's Clubs, and at the online store. Losing even a couple percent of Walmarts $250 Billion in revenue is enough to scare any corporation. I say this only because I doubt even Walmart could squeeze profit out of the record companies.

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  5. SO let me get this straight by computerme · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If i want to save 12 cents i get to:

    a) use a browser instead of the top class itunes store.
    b) i get to use some handcuff microsoft monoply DRM schema instead of the aptly named "Fairplay" DRM from itunes.
    c) I don't get to use their music with the number 1 (and coolest and functional) selling mp3 player in the world.
    d) i can't buy music if i use a mac.
    e) I get to add the to the walmart-fication of american which in my opinion is a mindset is destroying the quality of life in america?

    I'd rather spend the 12 cents....

    and BTW i have bought about 250 songs from the itunes music store....best music experience online...

    1. Re:SO let me get this straight by foniksonik · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or you could spend even more and get a lossless hard copy with liner notes and album cover... ;-p

      It's always a trade-off. Some people will make it, others will pay more to get more.

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    2. Re:SO let me get this straight by Lizard_King · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm a fellow Mac/iPod owner and ITMS user, but I have to play devil's advocate to your arguments, because they are... well... just too "typical" from Mac supporters (no offense).

      use a browser instead of the top class itunes store.
      This is probably a major benifit for a lot of folks. Think of those windows users who don't have XP or 2K yet... they can't even run iTunes.

      i get to use some handcuff microsoft monoply DRM schema instead of the aptly named "Fairplay" DRM from itunes.
      And for my benefit, explain to me what the difference will be? I know everyone hates M$, but Apple does a lot of the same shit.

      I don't get to use their music with the number 1 (and coolest and functional) selling mp3 player in the world.
      A subjective statement. Some people can't afford the "coolest" player in the world. Me thinks that s probably the target customer group for W*Mart

      i can't buy music if i use a mac.
      Why not? You won't be able to play it in iTunes, but the last time I checked, you can use the Mac version of the WMA player. Did I miss something?

      e) I get to add the to the walmart-fication of american which in my opinion is a mindset is destroying the quality of life in america?
      Can't argue with that.

      I'd rather spend the 12 cents....
      Or $30 in your case, since you've purchased 250 songs from ITMS.

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  6. That's not that only reason you won't find music by qortra · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Regardless of whether or not they censor albums, they will have, at best, the same meager ridiculous selection that every other service has.

    Every time a new legal online-music appears, I take a look for the music that I like to listen to (Failure, Sneaker Pimps, etc; check my audioscrobbler if you're curious). Granted, they aren't exactly mainstream pop, but they aren't that uncommon. I still haven't found a service that reliably has some of those lesser-known artists (I just checked Wal-Mart's site, and they are no exception). If I'm going to do online music, then the selection had better be about as good as Amazon's.

  7. As I've said at the original launch by Anita+Coney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wal-Mart could make a killing if it offered kiosks in its stores where you could download and burn music. There are a lot of people who don't use computers, are ignorant about computers, who don't own burners, etc, but would LOVE to buy various CDs of their favorite songs.

    And Wal-Mart could force the music industry to go along with the deal. If some label refused, Wal-Mart could simply refuse to stock their entire catalog. No label could survive being shutout by Wal-Mart!

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  8. Not really 88 cents per track... by koganuts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it rather amusing that according to this website, Wal-Mart's 88 cents per track price point "...will be minimized by sales taxes that apply to customers that have a Wal-Mart in their state."

    Another reason, among many, to keep using the iTunes Music Store. 50 million downloads and counting. :)

  9. Re:Sort of remarkable by jrsimmons · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keep in mind the probable reason behind this move. Wal-Mart is not looking to make money on these songs. That's why they can offer them for $.88 instead of $.99. They're looking to drive website hits, which in turn drives web revenue through other products.

    There are on-going battles with Wal-Mart and the major credit card brands (old article here). They recently stopped allowing customers who use a MasterCard branded debit card to use the card as a credit card (ie, sign the receipt instead of enter a PIN). This fight is much bigger than anything to do with the on-line music sales, in my humble opinion.

    Don't expect Wal-Mart to try and take over the on-line music industry. It doesn't fit their model very well. As others have said, the real challenge for Apple will come when the likes of Amazon.com or others with true on-line business models enter the fray. For the store based retailer, it's simply a good way of driving additional customers to the website, where traffic translates into sales.

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  10. Re:Censorship by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, not everything Walmart touches turns to crap.

    But what about the day that Wal-Mart has put all the mom-n-pop video stores out of business, and I decided I wanted to rent the Criterion Collection DVD of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai? I don't think this DVD qualifies Wal-Mart's 98% sell-through rate required to be sold there.

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  11. Re:Price no 99 cents by pegr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why would you pay sales tax? They're not selling you anything. For a fee, you have permission to use the IP in a restricted way. This fee is not a sale.

    You can't even resell the download you pay for as it's forbidden in their terms of service! If I can't sell it, I don't own it. If I don't own it, they didn't sell it to me. If they didn't sell it to me, theres no sale to tax.

    You don't pay sales tax on your apartment rent, do you?

  12. Re:Hardware by Golias · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hardware stores are a different animal entirely. Here in Bloomington, MN (the big suburb where the Mall of America is) there are both a Menards and a Home Depot in easy driving distance. Most of the people I know still go to one of several smaller stores most of the time, even for big purchases. Why? Not out of some profound respect for the "neighborhood store", but because hardware is one of the few examples of where a small company can provide added service that the big chains don't do very well. Yea, I pay an extra $10 if I buy a drill there, but next time I need to buy one screw of a specific size, I can get one from them for a few cents instead of paying $4 for a box of them that I don't want to keep around.

    Everybody who buys a lot of hardware knows this (especially professional contractors, who have relationships with those stores), so your little Concord hardware store is in no danger of going away, as long as their service excels.

    Commodities like clothing, food, drugs, etc., nobody gives a crap where they buy it as long as it's cheap. A small store adds little or no value. In fact, when it comes to food, a massive supermarket like Cub or Rainbow is more likely to have high-quality produce that's at the peak of freshness, because they turn around their inventory so much more quickly.

    Wal-Mart brought the fantastic benifits of "economy of scale" that we city-dwellers have always enjoyed to small hick towns which used to have to pay a premium for everything, and that's why several of the richest 10 people in America are from the Walton family.

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