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Analysis of the Witty Worm

DavidMoore writes "The Cooperative Association for Internet Data Analysis (CAIDA) and the University of California, San Diego Computer Science Department have an analysis of the recent Witty worm. Among other things, Witty was started in an organized manner with an order of magnitude more ground-zero hosts than any previous Internet worm."

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  1. Interesting conclusion by IANAL(BIAILS) · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants.
    While I agree that the success of most internet worms does indicate that the patching model is no good, come on now - there is no way that that end users would be financially liable for their computers. No matter how good an idea it might sound at first, such a concept just isn't workable.
    1. Re:Interesting conclusion by ryanjensen · · Score: 4, Insightful
      A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his vehicle if his negligence causes an accident ... a property owner is responsible for its upkeep if someone is injured on his property. I don't think it's a very large leap to be able to consider a computer owner liable for its upkeep if it is used in an attack, and I don't think many in this country would object either.

      The concept would be at least as workable, in the courts, as any liability legislation is currently.

    2. Re:Interesting conclusion by jmv · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Are you willing to bet a large amount of money (or jail time) that your computer will *never* be compromised. What if a worm before a patch is available. If you compare to cars, you'd have to say that you're responsible for what happens to your car even if it's been sabotaged.

    3. Re:Interesting conclusion by Flower · · Score: 3, Insightful
      A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his car but there is an assumption that the car is safe to drive to begin with when I buy it from the dealership. If it's the case that the car isn't safe there is usually a recall where I can take it in to the dealer for free and get the problem fixed. If there isn't a recall and the car isn't safe and I do have an accident then I can sue the manufacturer for selling me a defective product.

      When cars begin to become unsafe there are a variety of noticable warning signs that I need to maintain my vehicle. The oil light will go on, the brakes will grind, sundry odors emit from the hood, the tires begin to look flat... It doesn't even have to get that far. Some dealerships will send you mail reminding you that you might need an oil change. Of course there reason for doing this is to make some cash but it is a reminder to maintain your car and once at the garage things like rotating tires or what-not can also come up.

      To make this short [too late], there are a variety of mechanisms in place to let the driver know he needs to maintain his vehicle that simply isn't present or currently applicable when compared to a PC owner. From where I'm sitting there seems to be a great deal of wiggle room when applying the standards you propose.

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    4. Re:Interesting conclusion by rgmoore · · Score: 2, Insightful
      A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his vehicle if his negligence causes an accident

      The analogy breaks down, though, because the problem isn't with user failing to maintain his product, but with the product containing a manufacturing defect. Patching buggy software is the computer equivalent of taking a car in for a recall. Punishing computer users when their computers get infected is like punishing drivers when they get into accidents caused by failure of recalled parts. There has to be some kind of grace period during which the creator is considered at fault for making a defective product, rather than the user for not having it fixed.

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    5. Re:Interesting conclusion by ryanjensen · · Score: 3, Insightful
      If you're car has be sabotaged, and you *know about its resultant defect* you should be held liable. However, I think you are correct in saying that an owner should not be found negligent for unknowingly operating a sabotaged car.

      But I think your comparison is incorrect. I meant to liken the non-application of patches by computer users to the car owner who doesn't perform routine preventative maintenance on his vehicle. If a car owner doesn't replace his brakes for 45,000 miles after they first start squeeling (from the metal "warning plate") and they fail, shouldn't he be held liable? Likewise, if a computer user does not follow the recommended Microsoft updates -- or worse, never applies a single patch -- shouldn't he be held liable for damage his machine causes?

      For worms before patches, there should of course be no liability on the computer owner's part -- now, on the software developer's part is another story.

    6. Re:Interesting conclusion by MyHair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A driver is responsible for the upkeep of his vehicle if his negligence causes an accident ... a property owner is responsible for its upkeep if someone is injured on his property. I don't think it's a very large leap to be able to consider a computer owner liable for its upkeep if it is used in an attack, and I don't think many in this country would object either.

      Your analogy fails on many levels, but I'm too tired to point them all out. Here's a biggie: Automobiles are highly engineered and legally regulated devices; there are safety standards to be met before you can put one on the road, and there are legal limits to how the end user can modify them. PCs and especially software don't have that kind of pre-consumer engineering.

      Another one: the roadways are public works. The internet as we use it is a collection of private agreements to communicate between points. Why don't the intermediate points share liability for passing on the attacking packets? Hell, the operators of the intermediate points are generally trained for their equipment and pay people to monitor traffic and health. (This is making a point; actually I don't want my ISP or any of their providers policing my internet connection.)

    7. Re:Interesting conclusion by ryanjensen · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Like you, I would prefer not to have any regulation requiring updates to computers. You may say I am playing Devil's Advocate or simply starved for debate by suggesting fines for negligent computer users.

      However, to continue the discussion with the recall on your automobile: was the mitigating error a manufacturer goof or your goof? If you do not take your car in to get it fixed, do you think the manufacturer should still be held liable? Who would I take to court if the defect that caused your recall (ignored by you) takes off one of my arms?

      I'm not sure if negligence in the automobile and land owner examples from my original post leads to civil or criminal cases. If civil, there need not be regulation for computer users ... just a way to establish fault. If criminal, then yes -- regulation and the like would be both inevitable and undesirable.

      And I believe it's a common axiom, "There's an exception to every rule, except to the rules for which there is no exception." But in this case, there was not a patch available (according to some sources) since the vulnerability was so fresh. I don't mean to say that, because users were trying to protect their computers through a third-party, they shouldn't be held liable -- I meant that because the exploit came so quickly, they should not.

      Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, though I would like to be soon.

  2. Re:vulnerability to worm time by Yakman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It could also be that whoever wrote this worm found the vulnerability independently and had been writing code to exploit it, when he saw the security advisory go up he released it ASAP before people had a chance to patch their boxes. If the vulnerability hadn't been announced the worm may have been released later with a different payload.

  3. Re:Save yourself some reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is the first widely spreading Internet worm to actively damage...

    I am on the Internet right now and my platform cannot be infected by this worm. It's not an Internet Worm, it's a Windows Worm. One of many if reports are to be believed.

  4. Re: Windows Security Model Needs Fixing! by PlusFiveTroll · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article stated that a good number of request came from behind NAT firewalls. Many devices like the linksys allow you to DMZ a host, which would end up being an attack vector behind your firewall. Also many people turn on port forwarding, done incorrectly, is an attack vector.

  5. Holy CRAP by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Jesus Christ, if you read that and weren't frightened, you're dead inside.

    The highest packet rate they saw was more than 23,000 per hour, sustained for at least one hour. The worm came out one day after eEye announced the vulnerability. It just went ahead and started erasing the hard drive, rather than just grep for passwords or credit card numbers. And this thing targeted and 0wned people who cared about the security of their computer!

    If you've read nothing else, check out the conclusion:

    It is both impractical and unwise to expect every individual with a computer connected to the Internet to be a security expert. Yet the current mechanism for dealing with security holes expects an end user to constantly monitor security alert websites to learn about security flaws and then to immediately download and install patches. The installation of patches is often difficult, involving a series of complex steps that must be applied in precise order.

    The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants. Notwithstanding the fundamental inequities involved in encouraging people sign on to the Internet with a single click, and then requiring them to fix flaws in software marketed to them as secure with technical skills they do not possess, many users do choose to protect themselves at their own expense by purchasing antivirus and firewall software. Making this choice is the gold-standard for end user behavior -- they recognize both that security is important and that they do not possess the skills necessary to effect it themselves. When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.

    I was thinking the other day about all the precautions you need to go through with a Windows box just to get a new install up-to-date; I was smug, and thinking that a Windows box without a firewall was like a person without a skin: no protection from infection, no way of stopping the most basic of attacks.

    And now reading this I feel that smugness just draining in a really hideous way. I use Linux and FreeBSD...what of it? I realize there is still a big difference between Unix and Microsoft, between a local and a remote exploit, between an ordinary user account and root. But I'm no longer convinced those differences are enough: there's a thousand programs available on my machines, and all that stands between me and 0wnership is a programming error and someone who decides that, you know what, seven thousand hosts is worth it.

    Nothing more to say at this point...I'm still staring uneasily at the blinking cable modem lights, wondering when it'll be my turn.

    1. Re:Holy CRAP by rgmoore · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The highest packet rate they saw was more than 23,000 per hour, sustained for at least one hour.

      Perhaps equally scary is that the worm seems to have saturated its host population in under an hour. Since infection rate is slower in a small population like this one, a worm infecting via an exploit in a popular program could propagate even faster. If a worm writer were to discover and exploit a previously unknown vulnerability in a very widely deployed program, the consequences could be ghastly.

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    2. Re:Holy CRAP by astrashe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know. This is scary, in a sense. But there's a lot of risk in the world, and you just have to live with it. If my computer gets wiped off, it's not the end of the world.

      I know that everyone isn't in a position to say that -- some people are running banks, or whatever. But most people can say it.

      We drive cars, even though cars crash and people die in them. Another person can crash into you even if you're doing everything right, and you'll die. We live and work in buildings, even though we know that there are fires every day in large cities. Sometimes people die in fires. You lock your doors, and you make a good faith effort to keep the bad guys out, but if someone really wanted to get in, they could.

      You just have to deal with uncertainty in life.

      Your computers are never going to be completely safe. The sun will come up tomorrow anyway.

      As a practical matter, people who take reasonable precautions *usually* come off pretty well with computers. They can hold on to their data and keep it out of other people's hands. There's no guarantee that will always be the case, but it's been true until now.

    3. Re:Holy CRAP by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >I'm not sure what the ultimate solution is, but I do know one thing. We need to change our naive behavior.

      None of my security colleagues that I know of believes in the existence of an ultimate solution (though building a plywood box around the computer and filling it with concrete works pretty well. Just make sure you remove the wireless card first).

      We need fault tolerance. Backing up protects against the undiscovered bug you correctly warned about, and also protects against fire, burglary and human error.

      Watertight compartments on a ship are an example of fault tolerance. A hull breach will cause damaage but the ship may stay afloat. So are circuit breakers -- they turn a potential fire into a loss of power. We need things like stack canaries. They're not solutions, but they limit damage.

  6. not the best solution, maybe rethink the stack? by crimethinker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This leads to the conclusion that firewall/AV software should be included as part of the baseline system

    That's a very good suggestion, except that in this case, the firewall software was the vulnerable component. No BlackICE, no Witty worm.

    I'm deeply troubled by this; we piss and moan about how the average windoze luser doesn't have a firewall or AV software, and then this pops up.

    Much as I would like to, I can't blame this on Microsoft. It's just sloppy programming, the sort of practice that M$ has made prevalent. There, I blamed M$ after all. Still, changing the permission model of Windoze wouldn't have helped this; BlackICE is exactly the sort of software that needs access to the network protocol stacks; it's supposed to be one of the trusted portion of the system, as compared to all those VBScript viruses that run as admin/root, but shouldn't.

    If I were designing a new CPU, I would think about including some hard-core stack protection. A no-execute bit in the MMU is a very good start, but still not bullet-proof. I'm thinking something (with OS assistance) to disallow all access beyond the link pointer for the current function call. Every CALL sets a new boundary, and every RET pops back to the last boundary. Try to write past the boundary, and you get a machine exception. Much finer granularity than 4K pages that most 32-bit MMU's provide.

    -paul

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  7. after reading the analysis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    it reaffirms a lot of "common sense" security approaches that were ultimately superior to the naive idea that if you dump yet another piece of software on your machine, you'll be "protected".

    1. Don't run ANY software that you aren't very comfortable with and has a long track record of being solid and stable.

    2. Turn your computer off when you're not using it.. so simple, yet so many people just leave their machines on. A computer not online when not in use is a secure computer.

  8. Next internet-stopper worm could be a linux one... by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Insightful
    .. this analisys shows the impact on internet as a whole of a worm that not was a microsoft software, not was very widespread, even was a security/firewall software, and patches/advisory was from just a day before.

    Under that conditions, if a similar flaw is found in i.e. iptables, ssh, bind, apache or postfix, it could have a similar impact, be the OS Linux, FreeBSD, MacOSX or whatever you consider "safe" and widely enough used.

    Of course, if the same would happened to a really popular software out there (clients are more popular than servers, we know the effect of outlook worms, and even by default installed servers, like IIS, or maybe even the Win XP SP2's bundled firewall) the effect would be much worse, but no OS connected to internet is safe against this. Maybe releasing policies will change putting the "when its ready" release date over the "when the marketing people say" on the light or the widespread of this kind of things.

  9. Re:We can catch the worm's author by Bagheera · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, I'll bite. . .

    Yes, there are laws against writing malicious code. They apply if the authors happen to be in a country that respects the USAPatriot Act or whatever other laws may be applied. Your actual chances of catching these folks are slim to none.

    Even with 100 "Ground Zero" hosts, you won't get anything from /etc/passwd since these are Windows boxen, and don't HAVE an /etc/passwd file.

    Personally, I suspect the timing of the "destructive" release of this worm was based on the impending alerts about the 'sploit. I seriously doubt the creation of the worm happened after the public knowledge of the release. It's very likely that folks "in the know" were using the 'sploit for weeks to months before it was publicly acknowledged. The worm was "Spoil our fun, will you? Ha! Chew on this!"

    The destructive payload was certainly viscious, but I would worry that there were exploited (with this particular 'sploit) boxen out there LONG before anyone knew there was a hole in RealSecure and BlackICE.

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  10. Great summary section of the overall problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A very interesting article, and what some great lines that I quote a few here:

    "The patch model for Internet security has failed spectacularly. To remedy this, there have been a number of suggestions for ways to try to shoehorn end users into becoming security experts, including making them financially liable for the consequences of their computers being hijacked by malware or miscreants. Notwithstanding the fundamental inequities involved in encouraging people sign on to the Internet with a single click, and then requiring them to fix flaws in software marketed to them as secure with technical skills they do not possess, many users do choose to protect themselves at their own expense by purchasing antivirus and firewall software."

    There it is. The users pay good money to be on the internet, but they are not ready to be on the internet in its current unsafe condition. So to help fix the problem we want them to be security experts? The authors are correct, we have a totally failed security model that requies too much expertise out of the average joe blow end users.

    1. Re:Great summary section of the overall problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The conclusion is that our present model of patch as fast as you can means that everyone will fail, even your security specialist, not just your average user.

  11. More scary part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    These infections were on a small population of the net. It seems to me that we should expect a serious worm across all/most versions of Linux some time in the next couple of years. Probably the same for BSDs and that would include Mac OS X as well. Yep, we shouldn't sleep so well these days or be complacent thinking its just a Microsoft problem.

  12. The cost of C/C++ and no bounds checking by wintermute42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm a long time UNIX/Linux hacker (I first programmed on UNIX on a VAX). I've written a lot of C/C++ code. But long ago I used Pascal and more recently I've been using Java more.

    Both Pascal and Java do range checking. That is, they check the bounds of arrays (buffers) when they are accessed. This means that about half of the security exploits (including the one, targeted at BlackIce etc...) would not be exist if our software base was implemented in languages with bounds checking.

    The original reason that bounds checking was not implemented in C was that the early compilers were very basic (little in the way of optimization) and bounds checking overhead slows execution. Bounds checking overhead can be reduced through optimization, but Ritchie's original C compiler only did simple optimization.

    Another problem is that in C pointers and arrays are more or less interchangable. So bounds checking becomes difficult or impossible in all cases (C provides way too much pointer flexibility when it comes to enforcing bounds checking).

    If we were to add up the cost of all of the buffer overflow security attacks it must run in the billions. So the "power" of the C programming model has extracted a pretty high price. This puts an interesting retrospective slant on Brian Kernighan's 1981 article Why Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language .

    I have to confess that I would not go back to using Pascal. But native compiled Java, with Java's bounds checks, would be far safer than C++. And it would result in software that is more robust against security attacks.

    Yes we can all learn to use fgets, strncpy and other safer library routines. But this only makes our code safer. It does not provide the complete protection against buffer overflow attacks. So perhaps it is time to reconsider the programming languages we are using. Perhaps unrestricted pointers and no bounds checking has become too costly.

    1. Re:The cost of C/C++ and no bounds checking by bloosqr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think bounds checking should be a compile time option. One of the reasons I switched to C++ actually was the ability to wrap [] (via templates) to automatically get bounds checking w/out relying on the compiler to do it for me. The overhead of bounds checking is not negligable for numerical work so while this is a boon for debugging, its nice to be able to turn it off for optimization once the code is "working", especially as we're not all writing daemon code (i.e. if i'm mucking about doing linear algebra once i get the linear algebra bits setup i dont need to check over and over again to make sure each reference is w/in the array bound (effectively dumping two if statements into each memory access). If you/we are feeling paranoid, why not recompile all daemon/system code w/ a bounds checking c/c++ compiler or link w/ something like efence?

      -bloo

    2. Re:The cost of C/C++ and no bounds checking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      where have you been? two, err three or four points:

      The Objections to ~1981~ pascal arn't exactly current any more

      Bounds-Checking isn't a panacea either. Sometimes you want to go out of bounds.

      To protect your code-pages you or your OS has to make your code read-only and refuse to run writeable pages.

      If you're trying to prevent code-injections through buffer overflows, you want to protect the system from within the system. that is hardly something you can impose on everyone/thing. thus you escape to the next higher level and look for OS centric ways of insuring system protection against overflows.

      687

  13. Danger - spin detected by lone_marauder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Witty spread through a population almost an order of magnitude smaller than that of previous worms, demonstrating the viability of worms as an automated mechanism to rapidly compromise machines on the Internet, even in niches without a software monopoly.

    How many Linux, BSD, and Mac machines were infected?

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    1. Re:Danger - spin detected by MyHair · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How many Linux, BSD, and Mac machines were infected?

      Don't pretend that those haven't had remote root exploits before. (Well, not sure about Mac.) This incident seems to demonstrate that a destructive worm can be deployed in short order and rapidly spread even when the target population is in a tiny minority of internet hosts.

      That prompted me to insert a bridging Linux firewall and want to learn to tighten it up even further. (Blocking 1-1024 now plus ports like 3128 & MSSQL; I want to block all unwanted incoming connections but am yet unsure about Freenet, Kazaa Lite, bittorrent and Quake3 inbound needs.)

      (BTW, used LEAF uClib Bering for the bridging firewall. Axed the Shorewall and htb.init and put my own scripts in, though, due to issues with htb.init.)

  14. New tactical doctrine for attacks by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Virus writers are now developing a tactical doctrine. This suggests that future viruses will be more effective, not for technical reasons, but because the attacks will be organized more like military attacks. We now see virus writers getting inside the OODA cycle of the defenders. This is consistent with modern military tactical doctrine. Read MCDP-1, Warfighting. This short Marine Corps publication tells you how to think about war and how to win it. This revolutionized USMC doctrine, which previously focused on heroically advancing no matter what the opposition.

    A key point of modern tactical doctrine is to act faster than the opposition can react. Special operations types talk about the "period of vulnerability", which begins when the defender notices an attack and ends when the attacker achieves relative superiority. Most attacks fail during the period of vulnerability. So modern tactical doctrine says that it's worth huge amounts of effort and money to cut that time down. This is why special ops people rehearse and train to a level that seems unreasonable. It's not to make them good, athough it does. It's to make them fast, so they get through those first seconds and minutes at the beginning of an attack before the defenders can react.

    That's exactly what we saw with this worm. The attack was launched in a way that rendered the usual strategies of anti-virus companies ineffective. Anti-virus companies, (and Microsoft), have known response and patching cycle times. The creators of this worm got inside that cycle time, by building both a fast-propagating worm and by starting it from multiple points.

    Military doctrine gives us some insights on what to expect next. This worm invoved a campaign, a series of battles fought to achieve a goal. One attack acquired machines to be used as bases in a later attack. That's standard doctrine. Other relevant military concepts include mutual support, feints, and diversions. We are starting to see worms and viruses that support each other, so that if one is removed, another attack lets it back in. We may see feints and diversions, where a big noisy attack is launched to divert attention from something more subtle.

    Another doctrinal concept is that of combined arms. So far, virus writers generally haven't utilized other hacking techniques, like dumpster diving, social engineering, or wiretapping. That may change.

    We may well see an attack that wipes out most of the Internet-connected Windows machines in the world in a single day.

    1. Re:New tactical doctrine for attacks by tswann01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thank you for the well-written, insightful post. Any time we can think about these issues from such a different perspective, we all benefit. I do have 2 comments:
      1. Virus writers have used social engineering extensively (ILoveYou, etc.) to get users to open attachments.
      2. How do we know that we haven't seen feints and diversions? I see no reason to assume that sufficiently subtle attacks aren't already taking place. "The practical implications of this are staggering; with minimal skill, a malevolent individual could break into thousands of machines and use them for almost any purpose with little evidence of the perpetrator left on most of the compromised hosts."

  15. Adapt by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Instead of worrying about things we can't change (1 day/0 day exploits) lets focus on things we can change.

    Here are some hypotheticals and not-so hypotheticals.

    Are there any products that will ghost my drive onto another drive inaccessible to the OS by ordinary means every day?

    How can we teach people and developers the wonders of encryption so their credit card numbers and passwords can't be stolen?

    What will it take for hardware and OS makers to find a solution to most/all buffer overflows.

    Why are non-servers on the internet 24/7? A 'disconnect me after 1 hour of inactivity' would go a long way.

    Should we be encouraging residential ISPs to temporarily block ports during major outbreaks?

    Should ISPs be denying access to computers found to be spewing spam, viruses, or trojans?

    Why are we storing data locally? A fire or a crashed disk could mean the loss of important data, photos, etc. The internet hasn't seemed to provided users with an easy way to upload/download/synch documents off-site securely and easily.

    /insert more ideas here

  16. Re:Save yourself some reading by SkArcher · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You are failing to consider the extent to which Windows internal architecture dictates the software running on the platform.

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  17. Re:ground zero hosts? by SkArcher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is anyone else sensing the likelyhood that compromised MyDoom machines were the ground zero hosts?

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  18. two things by Daltorak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) Internet Information Services's track record has improved dramatically in the last couple of years... the last security patch for it was in May of last year, and then the one before that was in 2002.

    2) Why didn't you enable XP's firewall before connecting to the Internet? That's a pretty effective way of preventing your machine from getting infected while collecting the various updates.

  19. Re:We can catch the worm's author by cubic6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Besides the fact that you're repeatedly trolling with the "Teaching Fellow" bit...

    I highly doubt that the hosts who own your 100 so-called "ground-zero" IP addresses would be very helpful in an investigation, besides perhaps a cursory inspection. First, why would they be different from any other infected host, besides the fact that their IPs were hard-coded in the virus? The owners haven't commited any crime, but if the FBI grabs those computers, they won't see their computers for months or years.

    First, it's a Windows worm, and THERE ISN'T AN /etc/passwd FILE IN WINDOWS!. Assuming there magically was, it wouldn't have any useful information. Yes, they might find a username. Who cares? If you cracked a box to install a worm, would you use a username that might possibly be traced to you? Unless the owner is running some hardcore auditing software, it's highly unlikely that there would be a single clue as to the virus author.

    Second, if the virus author was intelligent at all, these hosts would be chosen to be outside the US, preferably in Libya or China or Russia or somewhere else with a low chance of cooperation with US law enforcement. Why? It's harder to get them taken down.

    I'm not denying that they should be brought to justice, but let's not send the FBI to start grabbing random computers every time there's a virus outbreak. How would you feel if the FBI demanded you give them your shiny new $3000 laptop for as long as they want?

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  20. What about BIOS wiping, physical damage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We need to seriously consider the consequences of the firmware upgradability of modern computers and components. Imagine a worm like this one which instead of just wiping the hard disk, erased the system BIOS. In fact, worse is possible. There are software upgradable EEPROMS on the video card, CD-ROM, even the harddisk, printer, scanner etc. These EEPROMS can only be burned about 100 times. A malicious program could physically destroy all of them. If someone wrote such a worm payload, and released it after a 0-day exploit targeting millons of machines, the result could truly be a societal disaster. There would not be enough EEPROM chips, nor enough skilled workers to replace all of them. It would be worse than the 2003 blackout. I've felt for a long time that we need systems where no amount of malicious programing could destroy the hardware nor essential components of the software. One possibility is a hardware switch which would need to be pressed before any firmware modification could proceeed. A similar idea would provided a hardware write protection to certain portions of the operating system.

  21. Re:process privs by davegust · · Score: 2, Insightful

    there is simply more you CAN do to secure Linux, versus Windows, in which almost all security has to be installed seperately.

    You can massively limit the damage done by a worm in Linux simply by running all processes that leave a port open in a chroot jail, or by doing so as a lesser privledeged user. This is one of the many simple solutions avaliable, while in Windows, its not so easy.

    It's very easy to to manage security for service processes under Windows. Different users can be created for the services, allowing whatever ACL restriction you'd like. For other processes, the "run as" option can provide the same function.

    If you're having problems determining which services (or other process) are opening what ports, check out netstat -o.

    This stuff is actually "easy" under Windows - maybe not Aunt Millie easy, but any power user can handle it. No MSCE required. The tools (and documentation) are there. There's even a fancy gee-wiz UI way to do it - no regedit necessary.

    If you're a fan of software firewalls (I'm not), then yes, generally you have to buy these separately. But then software firewalls aren't really the answer, are they. Why do I need a separate piece of software to filter inbound connections. I can do that with the IPSECurity, or if I want redundancy, with a dedicated hardware firewall.

    Call me over-confident, but I've had a Win 2000 Server on the net for 4 years, with no firewall of any kind, no NAT, no real-time anti-virus, and with open IIS ports. I run Outlook, IE6, VS.NET, SQL Server, and lots of other "notorious" MS software. The only illness this system has suffered was a code-red triggered DOS on my unpatched Cisco 675 router, and some nasty spyware installed with BearShare back before I knew what AdAware was. It's not magic - I just keep up with Windows Update and MBSA, and I try to be careful about what binaries I trust. Also, I back up religously. To be honest, the hardest part has been keeping up with mySQL, PHP, and ActiveState revs.

  22. Re:Anyone else see this? by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, worms like this that damage computers are very un-cool

    It doesn't damage computers. It erases data; the computer itself is fine.

    Sure, this is destructive... but it's much better than if it were installing BO2K everyplace, so the worm author could collect CCNs. That'd be much more damaging than simple erasures.

  23. Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by mbauser2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look at the page you linked to. ZoneAlarm isn't listed as compromised product. It's not even made by the same company as the compromised programs.

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    1. Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by Ralph+JH+Nader · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was an honest mistake. I was thinking of BlackIce and put the wrong firewalling program. Blame my lack of sleep for the error. The rest of the argument remains true, however. Whether a security hole was discovered in Zonealarm, Blackice, or in any other Windows program, unless the bug was caused by a problem with Windows itself, it is not in itself a Windows worm.

      Another poster in the thread cited that worms affecting Outlook are Windows worms and Outlook is software that runs on Windows. The difference is that Outlook is bundled with IE, and is integrated into Windows and it is very difficult to seperate it. Surely I don't need to educate Slashbots on this. Since it is so tightly wrapped with Windows, and Microsoft claims it's an integral part of Windows (they told the DOJ that), then it's part of Windows. If the problem involves Windows, a component of Windows (such as a DLL shipped with it), or a program integrated into Windows or installed with Windows, then it's a Windows vulnerability. When BlackIce is installed with Windows by the Windows installer, then a BlackIce vulnerability would be considered a Windows vulnerability.

      In terms of Linux, a particular distro would be said to have a vulnerability if it involves the actual operating system or a package that the distro releases along with the OS. If I go install some buggy unsupported software on my Linux box, and then there's a worm for it, should that worm be considered an exploit of that distro since I was running that distro and was infected by the worm? That's absurd.

    2. Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by Tony-A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Whether a security hole was discovered in Zonealarm, Blackice, or in any other Windows program, unless the bug was caused by a problem with Windows itself, it is not in itself a Windows worm.

      Whether a security hole was discovered in ... or other COMPUTER program, unless the bug was caused by a problem with THE COMPUTER ITSELF, it is not in itself a COMPUTER worm.

      A worm or virus on a computer is a computer worm or virus.
      A worm or virus on a Microsoft Windows computer is a Microsoft Windows worm or virus.

    3. Re:Why are you blaming ZoneAlarm? by pohl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not strictly true. I have network daemons running on my machine that have some protection given to them by the underlying operating system. Were a buffer overflow exploit to be discovered in one and leveraged by an attacker, the best that the attacker can hope for is a shell that gives them all of the privileges of the user under whose authority the process is running. An attacker would have to find another vulnerability in another part of the system to get no another, more dangerous, level of privilege. This protection comes from architectural decisions made by those who wrote the OS.

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  24. Re:Destructive by buttahead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the last part of my comment was really meant to be humor, as marketeers don't have that kind of smarts :) I was trying to point to the start of a market, instead of a company attacking a competetor.

    But, if I were serious:
    how many lines of code is a person able to write in a day? how many does witty have? Who was the closest competitor to the firewall app that was infiltrated? How many man hours can that company contribute (in a single day) to a bouncing new market that will mean 1.2 billion dollars a year?

  25. Re:Spectacular Failure by pe1chl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think you got the message.
    Worms like this could run on your dedicated firewall box (like linksys or draytek).
    They don't require Windows or an insecure OS at all, they just require sloppy programming in any program that handles network packets.

  26. Re:Save yourself some reading by muffen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are failing to consider the extent to which Windows internal architecture dictates the software running on the platform.

    Most of the time Microsoft bashing is valid, but saying that this is Microsoft's fault in any way is about one step away from stupid.

    If this was the fault of Windows, a buffer overflow such as this one could not happen under Linux/MacOS/FreeBSD/Netware etc etc etc. However, a quick search on SecurityFocus tells us that it did infact happen on all the platforms listed above.

    So, please explain to me how Microsoft can be blamed for this in any way!

    ...and saying that they should not allow code-execution on the stack or make it more secure so you dont need a firewall are not valid arguments.

  27. A whole lot of point missing going on... by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About a week ago, we had a vulnerability announced in OpenSSL. I imagine most of us patched pretty quickly. But the Witty worm appeared within twenty-four hours of the announcement of the vulnerability it attacked, and it infected 95% of vulnerable machines within 45 minutes.

    Yes, it's funny that it was a Windows firewall that was attacked. Yes, it's especially funny that it was an expensive Windows firewall that was attacked. Laugh.

    But also think.

    This could just as easily have been us. From my root logs I patched my servers for the OpenSSL vulnerability on Sunday 21st, which was four days after it had been announced. If the Witty worm had attacked OpenSSL, it would have got me. I suspect it would get most of us.

    Linux (or BSD, or whatever) is not immune to this sort of attack. On the contrary, we're just as vulnerable as anyone else. Those of us who administer public-facing servers have got to learn to be still more cautious, and still more proactive about fixing holes as they are announced.

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    1. Re:A whole lot of point missing going on... by Phragmen-Lindelof · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is a DOS attack anything like overwriting a hard drive? This is FUD.
      From US Cert:
      II. Impact
      An unauthenticated, remote attacker could cause a denial of service in any application or system that uses a vulnerable OpenSSL SSL/TLS library.

  28. ...and this is why... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...anything that is called a "firewall":

    1. Should NOT contain any attack analysis. The only attack that any security software not in the hands of security researcher has a legitimate reason to "analyze" is an attack that already succeeded, and the user is recovering from the destruction caused by it. Announcing "prevented" attacks or modifying the host's response to "suspicious" data is at least a useless toy, and at most a target for a real attack (though most often it's in the middle, a nuisance that reduces the reliability). Keep it simple, stupid!

    2. Should be separated from the host that it protect by at least a virtual machine and (better) be on a separate device. Then the worst that can happen in the case of a firewall compromise is that the firewall will stop performing its functions. Running a "firewall" on the "firewalled" host is an equivalent of a person hiring himself as a bodyguard.

    3. If running on the "protected" host, it should be passive, and merely prevent other software running on that host from receiving packets from the Internet even if that software listens on the ports that the author believes, should not be opened. Still, calling this a "firewall" stretches the definition way too far.

    The original meaning of a firewall is a wall in the building that prevents fire from spreading when the building is already on fire, and firewall acts as a barrier for spreading it. It does not make a building non-flammable, and its design expects a building to contain flammable material, yet it prevents damage from spreading. A network firewall does something pretty close to this, it expect vulnerable hosts to be on either of its side, and merely reduces the probability of successful attack from "external" to "internal" network, yet being relatively simple, it is impossible or difficult to attack. Having a "firewall" full of "flammable" bells and whistles, and in the middle of a system that it assumes to be vulnerable is a very, very wrong kind of design.

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  29. Re: Windows Security Model Needs Fixing! by seaswahoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I probably could replace MSOffice with OpenOffice, and there's probably a Java debugger and compiler for *nix systems. MathCAD? No idea where to replace that. Rise of Nations is MS-only (dammit), and there probably is Palm Pilot interfacing software for *nix. Have no idea if my Canon scanner is supported, but it need to use it. Well, if they're making a poor choice, that's too bad, but in the meantime, I have to get work done, so I just try and make do.

    (and on the side, I tinker with Linux... :P)

  30. Re:Save yourself some reading by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So you're saying that all of those linux application security flaws on bugtraq are actually linux security flaws? Just because they are on the same platform? I think not.

    Jaysyn

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  31. Re:Destructive by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Hmmm, and what would this new model of protection entail? Something like Cisco proposed?

    From the analysis:

    When users participating in the best security practice that can be reasonably expected get infected with a virulent and damaging worm, we need to reconsider the notion that end user behavior can solve or even effectively mitigate the malicious software problem and turn our attention toward both preventing software vulnerabilities in the first place and developing large-scale, robust and reliable infrastructure that can mitigate current security problems without relying on end user intervention.

    Folks, we don't need any more infrastructure to prevent worms. We don't need any more infrastructure to control what you can and can't do on the Internet.

    It's not the Internet that causes the problems, it's the in-secure machines that are vunerable.

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  32. Re:Quickly written by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Possibly they had the worm already written except for the exploit. Maybe they'd tested spreading and destruction parts using another very old and likely to be already patched exploit and have been waiting, template ready, for an appropriate exploit to be found which they could plug into their worm template.

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  33. Really worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The thing that *really* worries me about this kind of story is that it provides a ready-made reason for two things - neither of which I want.

    1st - A "secure" ie regulated internet where all traffic is traceable and managed

    2nd - A hardware security model that prevents unauthorised code running ie. Palladium or whatever marketing fluffy word is now being used...

    You know, and I know, that there are "nicer" ways of doing this but just wait until the first worm with a destructive payload hits the general population.

    Not Good.

  34. Re: Windows Security Model Needs Fixing! by Tin+Foil+Hat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no reason on Earth that this worm couldn't have attacked Linux boxen. If this worm had been tailored to attack the the recent openssh vulnerability the day after it came out, many of us would have been owned immediately. How many of us have an open ssh port through our NAT devices and firewalls? The scary thing about this worm is that the authors have demonstrated an ability to attack new vulnerabilities in third-party software very quickly. In the case of the openssh vulnerability (a root exploit) that would have meant that very many of us Linux users would have been affected before we could do anything about it.

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