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NASA Tests X-43A

An anonymous reader writes "NASA TV has live coverage of the launch of the X-43A scram jet flight. Hopes are that the unmanned vehicle will reach speeds in excess of mach 7-10. The last flight a few years ago failed." Stephen Watts sends this link for X-43A background information.

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  1. Nooooooooo!!! by pwroberts · · Score: 5, Funny

    Noooo, don't Slashdot it, you insensitive clods!

    I was getting a great feed of the boring pre-launch stuff for the last 2 hours, now y'all'll've gone and ruined it ;-(

    1. Re:Nooooooooo!!! by Gogo+Dodo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Use the Windows Media Player feed, nobody on /. will ever be using that. Or they won't admit it...

  2. Re:launch it allready! *dammit* by xenocyst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and destroy it again because they forgot something
    good idea

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  3. awesome picts by aarku · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nasa has a lot of interesting pictures of the X-43A posted.

  4. Inside the ram file by inertia187 · · Score: 3, Informative
    rtsp://rmbcast.nasa-us2e.speedera.net/alias_ashbur n1_btn_2/broadcast/rmbcast.nasa-us2e/rmbcast_nasa- us2e_dec312003_0922_52880.rm
    rtsp://rmbcast.nasa- us2w.speedera.net/alias_sjose_abovn_2/broadcast/rm bcast.nasa-us2w/rmbcast_nasa-us2w_dec312003_0925_5 3003.rm
    rtsp://rmbcast.nasa-us2e.speedera.net/ali as_ashburn1_btn_2/encoder/rmbcast.nasa-us2e/rmbcas t_nasa-us2e_jan022004_1034_52875.rm
    rtsp://rmbcas t.nasa-us3w.speedera.net/alias_denver_l3/broadcast /rmbcast.nasa-us3w/rmbcast_nasa-us3w_jan042004_173 2_53351.rm
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  5. Re:launch it allready! *dammit* by fm6 · · Score: 3, Informative
    There gonna launch in about 10 minutes. But so what? That's just the booster rocket. The actually test will occur off over the Pacific where nobody can see it. And it will only last 10 seconds!

    And probably irrelevent, since there's no funding for future tests.

  6. Speed doesn't matter by elFarto+the+2nd · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even if its moving at mach 7...we can still slashdot it!

    Regards
    elFarto

  7. $185 million dollar project... by levram2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and they can't show a readable countdown timer on the screen.

  8. Re:launch it allready! *dammit* by rtaylor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The funny part, when they finally did launch you couldn't see the damn thing.

    They should have launched 2. One with the camera and one doing the test.

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  9. play by play by aarku · · Score: 4, Informative

    "All stations we are a go for launch at this time..."
    "10 seconds launch on my mark"
    "5 4 3 2 1 launch"
    "Ignition!"
    "Guidance on"
    "we are supersonic"
    (bunch of everything is nominal)
    past mach 3
    separation of booster
    fuel is off
    recovery complete
    "Good job"
    "Really pretty"

    1. Re:play by play by aarku · · Score: 3, Funny

      "...passing through mach 5"
      *Slashdotted* NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  10. Launch by Senjutsu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Success. Launch and recovery went off without a hitch. There's a lot of happy looking people in control right now.

  11. Passed Mach 5 before the loss of signal by Drathus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks like it topped out just over Mach 5. Not too damn bad.

    1. Re:Passed Mach 5 before the loss of signal by More+Trouble · · Score: 4, Informative
      The X15A-2 was a rocket. To wit:

      The X-15 engine was an XLR-99 single chamber rocket. It produced 60,000 pounds of thrust and it burned 18,000 pounds of liquid oxygen and anhydrous ammonia in 85 seconds. The propellants were fed by a steam driven turbopump; the source of the steam was hydrogen peroxide decomposed by passing through a silver screen catalyst bed.

      What they tested today doesn't carry oxygen, instead scooping it out of the atmosphere.

      :w
    2. Re:Passed Mach 5 before the loss of signal by Drathus · · Score: 3, Informative

      And now according to the data recovery it passed Mach 7 (4,780 MPH) after the signal was lost before it began it's deceleration.

      Not too bad at all.

    3. Re:Passed Mach 5 before the loss of signal by Moofie · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a /totally different/ thing.

      A ramjet has the air-fuel mixture traveling at sub-sonic speeds in the combustion chamber. The air is compressed by a system of shock waves in the inlet. As the air is compressed, it slows down and heats up. Then you light a fire in there, with an apparatus similar to an afterburner flame holder.

      A scramjet keeps the flow moving supersonically throughout the combustion chamber (hence Supersonic Combusting RAMJET). Mixing in fuel, and successfully igniting the mixture before it goes out the back of the airplane is seriously difficult.

      Imagine trying to light a match while sticking it out the window of a car. Now go two orders of magnitude faster. Seriously non-trivial.

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  12. How does this help? by /dev/trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it all uses the same bandwidth pool right?

  13. Mach Freakin' 5 by Goyuix · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Mach Freakin' 5 by Mr.+Piddle · · Score: 3, Funny


      I can't wait to installed the scramjet roof panel on my Civic!!!!!

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  14. Re:mach 5?!? by technoid_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thats one fast RV. I thought 110mph in a Winnebago was fast, but this beats that hand down.

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  15. Re:launch it allready! *dammit* by flewp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And probably irrelevent, since there's no funding for future tests.

    Ah, but if it is successful, they may direct more funding towards this kind of research. Even if it isn't successful, they might learn enough to still warrant putting in more funding.

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  16. Amusing terminology by RedDirt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had to laugh out-loud when one of the NASA folks (S2?) referred to the B52 as a BUFF. (Air Force jargon: Big Ugly Fat Fscker ...)

    Still chuckling a bit. =)

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    James
    1. Re:Amusing terminology by Picass0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Riiiight.

      Just like "Read The Friendly Manual".

  17. Re:Not that fast by Drathus · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Mach 5 is kinda meh. X15-A2 did mach 6.8 with pilot, in the 1960's

    Yes, it did. However the scram jet is a significant improvement just in terms of fuel savings. Not having to carry the oxygen itself and having the system work means more then the final speed it reached.

  18. Mach 7 was reached by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    They did it!
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/357 5561. stm

  19. It broke the speed record... by SmackCrackandPot · · Score: 4, Informative
  20. Re:Launch successful by Rick.C · · Score: 4, Funny
    Tests completed through Mach 5, it seems. I thought this would go to Mach 7?

    Well yeah, but that's with overclocking.

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  21. Clip of launch at BBC by johnjay · · Score: 3, Informative

    I found a clip of the launch at the BBC. I can't seem to figure out where NASA would be hiding the clip.

    The BBC page is here. There's a link to the right of the photo at the top of the page.

  22. Ramjet != Scramjet by linoleo · · Score: 4, Informative

    From Wikipedia:

    When the air inside a ramjet exceeds the speed of sound (meaning an aircraft speed of around Mach 5+) combustion fails to occur properly. This is overcome in a scramjet (supersonic combustion ramjet). Scramjets are a new concept still in the research stages. Usually, the inlet is much wider (typically the entire underside of the craft) so the compression is less and the air remains at supersonic speeds. Some designs use reactive chemicals or gases other than standard jet fuel. Normally, the design of the jet is much more complex. Like a ramjet the scramjet must already be moving extremely fast before it will start working, but theoretically, speeds in excess of Mach 20 are possible.

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  23. Childhood Memories... by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Circumfrence of Earth / Mach 5

    It would take about 6 and a half hours to get from here and back again.

    So in "Hare We Go" when Bugs Bunny threw the baseball around the world to show Christopher Columbus that the world is round, he threw the ball at about Mach 785 or so. Somehow he managed to put enough spin on it that it orbited the planet, the natives applied the stickers, AND he caught the ball.

  24. Re:Not that fast by Moofie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are wrong.

    A supersonic combusting ramjet is way way way incredibly more technically challenging than a regular ramjet.

    Managing the shock wave systems to provide adequate fuel mixing and ignition is only barely possible today with the biggest computer simulations on the planet.

    I don't know what you consider "revolutionary", but sustained supersonic combustion is a Really Big Deal.

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  25. Re:Good call.. by trixillion · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check your algebra. You are off by three orders of maginitude. So everywhere you wrote km per frame change that to m per frame.

  26. More Details on Successful Flight by Pooua · · Score: 4, Informative
    "EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE, California: An experimental X-43 pilotless plane has broken the world speed record for an atmospheric engine, briefly flying at 7,700 kilometers (4,780 miles) per hour -- seven times the speed of sound, NASA said.

    "The hypersonic aircraft, a cross between a jet and a rocket, was dropped from the wing of a modified B-52 bomber, boosted by an auxiliary rocket to an altitude of nearly 100,000 feet (30,000 meters) and flew on its own power for 10 seconds, said the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

    "After the 10-second test firing, the X-43A glided through the atmosphere conducting a series of aerodynamic maneuvers for about six minutes before plunging into the Pacific Ocean, as planned."

    Channel News Asia: Experimental hypersonic aircraft breaks world speed record, flies at Mach 7

    "A minute before 2 p.m., the craft was dropped from 40,000 feet. A few seconds later, the rocket flared, boosting the jet skyward on a streak of flame and light. At about 100,000 feet, the rocket was dropped away.

    "The scramjet then took over, using up about two pounds of gaseous hydrogen fuel before it glided and then plunged into the Pacific Ocean about 400 miles off the California coast."

    Mercury News: Preliminary data shows NASA jet streaked 5,000 mph in test flight

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  27. Re:Free ramjet? by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Informative

    probably wouldnt need to. The speed it would impact the ocean would bash the hell out of it.

    Scramjets are very simple (mechanically) devices. No moving parts. However, they are geometrically, extremely complex and precise. The speed it would hit the ocean would damage the combustion chamber to the extent it would be about as useful as a scramjet made from a tin can.

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  28. Re:Mach? What is that? by Jorkapp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mach is a measure of speed in relation to the speed of sound (Vs). (Vs) varies with Temperature (t), and is calculated as such:

    Vs = 332 + 0.6 * t
    (Where Vs is in Meters/Sec, and t is in ^C)

    For example, an aircraft travelling at Mach 2 with an atmospheric temperature of 20^C would be travelling at:

    2(332 + 0.6 * 20)
    2(332 + 12)
    2(334)
    688m/s

    Whilist Warp speeds vary per series. In the original series, warp factor was a multiplier. So Warp 3, Kirk's enterprise would be travelling at:

    3(3.0 * 10^8)
    3(300000000)
    900000000 m/s (Pretty damned fast)

    In the newer series' (TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent), it acts as a power.
    So at Warp 4, Picard's enterprise would be speeding at

    (3.0 * 10^8)^4
    300000000^4 m/s
    8.1^33m/s (Even more firepower!)

    "Pretty funny after all those Star Trek haters claimed such speeds were impossible."

    Henry Ford himself said that man would not be capable of reaching speeds beyind 65mph. Now we have Hypersonic Scramjets. Western Union said that the phone is useless. Now we have infrastructres largely based upon the telephone. Lord Kelvin said that Heavier-Than-Air flight was impossible. Now there are 747's that weight much more than an equivalent mass of air. IBM said that there was a world market for about 5 computers. Now there are millions of computers situated around the globe.

    I'll stop there.

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