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Say Goodbye to BuyMusic.com

dark_lotus writes "Spymac.com today is reporting that an e-mail sent to prior customers of BuyMusic.com, informing them that BuyMusic.com is being merged into the parent site, Buy.com. Spymac reports: BuyMusic.com initially expected to sell one million songs per day or 200 to 300 in the first year according to estimates by founder and CEO Scott Blum. When re-interviewed in December, Blum offered no statistics, but did say, 'We're nowhere near Apple's numbers.'"

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  1. Give me a break. by Liselle · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This may be slightly OT, but: I've never visited this site before, and I wanted to see what they were about. So I click the pretty link for BuyMusic.com, and I'm greeted with this:
    In order to take full advantage of BuyMusic.com's offerings you must be on a Windows Operating System using Internet Explorer version 5.0 or higher.
    I realize it's unlikely that supporting the most popular web browser on the most popular desktop OS is bad for business, but locking out everyone else? I can't even find out what these people are about without having to load up IE and crossing my fingers. Pfft, to heck with that. I won't have the gall to say "no wonder these people are going south", because I know that people who use the same browser as I do are a niche market. But still... Sheesh!
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    1. Re:Give me a break. by MikeXpop · · Score: 4, Informative

      The iTMS required a mac because it required iTunes to get in (which apple fixed by porting iTunes no less). This is just a freaking website.

      And to the grandparent post, just turn off javascript and you'll get in.

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      Etiquette is etiquette. He kills his mother but he can't wear grey trousers.
    2. Re:Give me a break. by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Hmmm... From the browser stats at my place of business, IE has fallen below 90% of the browser market, and our users are generally not very technically adept.

      In what other business is cutting off 10% of potential customers, without it being an absolute necessity of course(eg., alcohol/tobacco companies not selling to minors - bad example maybe, as they often try, heh), considered a good business decision, or even sane?

      Meh, whatever.

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      Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken - Tyler Durden
    3. Re:Give me a break. by Troed · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Several people running non-mainstream websites (like my own) have reported IE falling below 60-65% since 6 months ago. My site is not targetted at anyone particular (like a Linux-site would be) - but neither is it especially mainstream.

      Statistics for February:


      1 62.21% MSIE (all versions)
      2 14.00% Mozilla (All Gecko-based browsers)
      3 9.46% Opera (all versions)

    4. Re:Give me a break. by starling · · Score: 4, Funny

      I run an adult link list, IE is still going strong

      Proof positive that IE users are wankers.

    5. Re:Give me a break. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Right, the point about non-IE users isn't that they are 10% of the market, it's that for many high tech apps, a substantive portion of that 10% are the early-adopters and technological evangelists. These people are often key to acceptance and adoption of these "disruptive" sorts of products. You have to appeal to Joe Average, but just appealing to Joe Average itself isn't necessarily enough.


      Not saying the way to make money is appealing to the ultra-rabid Linux geek or anything, but the broader set of technological trendsetters generally know better than to use IE.

  2. Hmm... by James+A.+M.+Joyce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...the fact that they charge $1.99 a song probably didn't help either. It's supply and demand, people. You increase price, demand falls. It's economics 101.

    1. Re:Hmm... by e-gold · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Interestingly, www.magnatune.com reports their users DON'T pay the lowest prices they could choose (and Magnatune's what everyone SAYS they want because you can try before you buy, etc., so of course everyone's now busily-ignoring it!).
      JMR

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  3. Bad math by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 4, Funny
    "BuyMusic.com initially expected to sell one million songs per day or 200 to 300 in the first year according to estimates by founder and CEO Scott Blum"

    Well there's your problem right there. Let's see, either one million songs per day -OR- 200 to 300 in the first year. Yessir, typically fuzzy CEO math led to the downfall, I'd say. On the other hand, while that first target was quite high, the second target was easy to exceed. Why I bet I could sell 200 to 300 songs in a year by standing on the street corner.

  4. the fate of all the other music companies by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    will be similar.

    the only players in the market will be Apple and Microsoft because they have the money and product variety to support the low profit business.

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    I am the Alpha and the Omega-3
  5. Bad Marketing by skajake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps if i had
    a) Heard about the site
    b) They supported my browser
    I might have used it. But I suppose they will just give up and sell out before trying to reach me, the customer.

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    ~ Maintainer of the Skajake Projects

  6. Consolidation begins by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Its a case of too many players (online music sites) and too few players (downloaders). I suspect the industry will converge down to 4 or 5 major online music sites. Initial survivors of the first round of consolidation will include: Apple (they've got the iPod, nice interface, and early lead), Microsoft (they've got the desktop monopoly), and Wal-Mart (they've got the low cost structure). Perhps a couple of others might surive by having a nice sales model (e.g., subscription) or novel technology (i.e., a better way to find new interesting music).

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  7. Review of BuyMusic by briggsb · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a review of BuyMusic.com. Some of the reasons for it's unpopularity are pretty obvious from the review.

  8. A day for the history books by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Thing is released
    2) Slashdotters deride Thing and has say it has no chance and will fail miserably
    3) Thing fails miserably

    Folks, let's stop and reflect. This isn't a sequence of events we see too often. And we may not see it again until-- well-- until Infinium has to either release a product or go bankrupt. So, um, may.

  9. This is surprising how? by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Confusing DRM: Songs purchased from BuyMusic vary widely in burns allowed, transeferring to other machines, etc.)

    Limited/poor selection: Never increased from their initial catalog

    Poor search functionality / confusing website layout: If customers can't find what they want, they're not going to be able to buy it.

    Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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    "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
  10. Is it just me.. by jwthompson2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    or did anyone else never see a single advertisement about this alternative to iTMS? I have seen hundreds of commercials and other advertisements for the iPod and iTMS but never a single one for BuyMusic. The only thing I remember hearing was on TechTV when some billboard was shown off somewhere when the site opened, that's it for my exposure to their marketing campaign.

    Am I alone on this or can we equate market failure with marketting failure on this one?

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    Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree. -Martin Luther
    1. Re:Is it just me.. by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 4, Funny

      They ran a lot of ads when it launched with Tommy Lee smashing the same model of guitar that Apple featured on the iTunes portion of their site.

      Bad karma right there. Never fsck with a company who's CEO has a Reality Distortion Field. :-)

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      "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
  11. Well, not always $1.99 by gotr00t · · Score: 4, Informative
    I think that one of the major contributing features to iTunes that stimulates Apple's success is the presence of a uniform price for all songs. BuyMusic.com did not have this, and their prices ranged from 80 cents to 2 dollars.

    Moreover, their interface was terrible (browser based), and I have heard many stories about how people just could not get the songs to work on their machine (which met the system requirements).

  12. Say goodbye to ... ? by Zooka · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Say goodbye to BuyMusic.com, the web site.
    It's being integrated into the parent site, Buy.com.
    Not quite the same as giving up and closing shop.
    Or did I miss something?

    Is it really goodbye, or more like "See you later, when you re-open down the street"...

  13. Re:The tragedy... by parkrrrr · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to a piece on All Things Considered yesterday, the RIAA's attempts to vilify "pirates" are apparently discouraging potential customers from buying online, even from legitimate stores like iTMS and Wal-Mart.

  14. This didn't help... by microcars · · Score: 4, Interesting
    remember the flak they got from one artist who claimed they did NOT have permission to resell her songs because they got the bulk of their catalog from Orchards.

    bit 'o quote from the above link:

    Here's what I've deduced... BuyMusic.com (which I will refer to as BM) got their "vast" music library of 300,000 plus songs from a company called the Orchard. The Orchard is a distribution company that has consistently shafted artists by not paying them for CD's sold nor returning unsold CD's or canceling contracts. So, without the express consent of what is likely all of the Orchards catalog, BM has put it up for sale at the bargain price of $.79 a song.

    So now, they can tout they're selling tracks at $.79 and they can say they have a library of music of over 300,000 songs. But what they don't tell you is that it comes from musicians/bands that were not asked for permission, and who will likely not see a penny of any sale made through BM. By their very own site policy they are committing copyright infringement. They have done this to lure PC/windows users to their site in hopes to sell the few major label aquired songs they do have, at a price that is much higher than Apple's $.99.

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  15. Is this really a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think what these marketing geniuses are not considering is the new "internet word of mouth" factor. The books they've studied in college were probably writen when internet wasn't even around. These people are underestimating the buzz that can be generated on the internet because we are the first people to try new things and report on them in blogs, forums, etc. Has anyone seen a buzz regarding any of these DRM-laden WMA files? I've seen a plenty of excitement about iTMS, but none in relation to BuyMusic.com, Rhapsody, WalMart, Napster, et al. In fact, the noise is overwhelmingly negative when it comes to these distributors. Considering that most opinionated geeks on the internet don't use IE, should have been an indicator as to why it failed to generate the positive response from the masses. You treat them in a hostile manner, and your product or service fails to put up the kind of astronomical numbers some 40y/o suit scribbled on his business plan.

    So let this be a lesson to those people who want to market their product to masses if it involves the internet - Never disregard the netizens who are the first real quality assurance team. They wouldn't let me through the gate of the store because I was using Firefox. Nevermind the fact that I'm a very dedicated Windows user who was ready to test the service out. My experience while visiting BuyMusic.com:

    ME: get buymusic.com
    BUYMUSIC.COM: Hello. It seems that you're behind times with your browser. I'm going to assume you're using some kind of an archaic operating system like Mac or Linux, savage. Please go buy a real computer with WindowsXP then come back! Otherwise, go away. You are not welcome here.
    ME: Wait, I am a Windows user. It was awfully condescending of you to generalize.
    BUYMUSIC.COM: Sir, we apologize. Please open your real browser and come check out our selection of music.
    ME: Fuck you.

  16. Old /. campfire stories by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had this friend in high school who back in the eighth grade bilked CDNOW to the tune of thousands of dollars. CDNOW used to have this 'affiliate program'-- similar to Amazon's, though I can't remember who developed it first-- where if you followed a link from somebody's website to CDNOW, then bought something, you'd get a referral commission, a percentage of the sale.

    What my friend discovered was that this commission applied even if you didn't actually spend money-- that is, if you used a gift certificate. This lead to a nice little unintended consequence.

    What my friend did was set up two accounts with different credit cards, and then buy a $20 gift certificate with one of them. And then he just over and over, for months, would go back and forth, taking that gift certificate, going on cdnow via his affiliate link, using the gift certificate to buy another $20 gift certificate, and then giving the gift certificate to his other cdnow account. Then repeating. Over. And over. And getting the referral commission each time.

    By the time someone finally realized what he was doing, shut down his account, and closed the loophole, I believe he'd collected something like $3000 in referral fees just from passing this gift certificate back and forth. And since CDNOW was set up to automatically send free schwag to anyone who did well as a "referrer", and he kept triggering this, he had like 15 CDNOW t-shirts, all these posters....

    He then moved on to... doing nebulous things... on ebay. By the time we graduated high school he was well-known for scalping concert tickets. I don't know what happened to him after that. I would not be surprised if he's either CEO of some huge company or in federal prison by now. Or both.

  17. I weep for Buymusic.com by darkest_light · · Score: 4, Informative

    Poor babies. Sometimes when you have terrible customer service, you sell music without the artists' permission and the press demonstration of your service fails, you have a bad product. But then again, maybe not...

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    Orationem pulchram non habens, scribo ista linea in lingua Latina.
  18. allofmp3.com will eat all their lunches by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Informative

    My music buying money and the music buying money of my friends goes to allofmp3.com.

    Its cheap, legal, non DRM, supports all the formats you want including MP3, AAC, OGG at various bits rates and there are lossless compression modes as well for people who want PCM.

    It has what appears to be a sufficiently complete collection of music.

    You pay per megabyte. At 320kbps, albums cost around 86 cents.

    So why on Earth do people choose any of the US based DRM download merchants?

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    Evil people are out to get you.
    1. Re:allofmp3.com will eat all their lunches by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Informative
      I just checked out their website.

      So, I'm guessing this isn't legal in the United States? When you check their legal help page, you find:
      All the materials in the MediaServices projects are available for distribution through Internet according to license # LS-3?-03-79 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. Under the license terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all the materials subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All the materials are available solely for personal use and must not be used for further distribution, resale or broadcasting.

      Users are held liable for the use and distribution of the MediaServices site information materials according to local legislation.

      Does the Russian Federation's copyright laws allow anyone to redistribute copyrighted material using a provision something like a U.S. mechanical license combined with a compulsory license? I would imagine that means that allofmp3.com does not have an agreement with the artists or copyright holders to distribute this music. Since it says in their legal section that users are held liable according to local legislation, in the U.S. anyway there's no difference between using allofmp3.com and kazaa. I could be wrong, of course, but if you're trying to stay on the right side of the law, I don't think allofmp3.com is doing anything to help you out.
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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    2. Re:allofmp3.com will eat all their lunches by shiffman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Legal? You mean because it's in Russia and possibly beyond the reach of American and European law? Something isn't legal just because it hasn't been caught yet.

      When something sounds too good to be true, it's likely because it is in fact too good to be true. $.86 an album may pay for bandwidth; it certainly isn't paying for the musicians. And much (most?) of the content they're offering is owned by the major labels, who are surely not receiving what they've contracted to receive.

      After a quick look around allofmp3.com I can only conclude that they're hoping to make their pile before somebody manages to shut them down. And then they can pop up somewhere else.

      The only differences between these guys and P2P are that they're better organized. And they charge you. But legal? Don't make me laugh.