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Squeezebox MP3 Player Hacked to Play Video

Xenna writes "The Squeezebox MP3 Player has found a new application: With the Videobox software and some cabling it becomes a networked Video Player. This is the latest development to come out of the active community Slim Devices have managed to attract around their very hackable MP3 players. Only last week the SoftSqueeze software player was announced on the Slim users mailing list. The Squeezebox was reviewed on Slashdot last December."

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  1. Good. by James+A.+M.+Joyce · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's gratifying to see a company which is aware of the "geek" segment of the market and is willing to produce intentionally hackable and extensible media players for us to play with. This can only be a good development and I hope they do well.

  2. know what you're talking about by Neophytus · · Score: 2, Informative

    THIS IS NOT A PORTABLE MP3 PLAYER

    this is a networked (wired or wifi) device to plug into your home hifi to stream music from your pc

    product overview

  3. Re:Ogg support please... by LordK3nn3th · · Score: 2, Informative

    The MP3 player software itself is Windows Media Player. Ickles!

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  4. Video player? More like "video remote" by perbu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This software turns the slimbox into a remote - which is not really that cool. You still need a decent video player. Paying $250+ for a remote control for your video player is, well, a bit much.

    1. Re:Video player? More like "video remote" by Xenna · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yep, a (wireless/ethernet) video remote with a display. That's basically what it is.

      Mind you for that $250 you buy a great network audio player and the video remote stuff is just a free extra.

      The Squeezebox has digital outputs and can stream FLAC lossless compressed audio. Just add a really good external DAC ($$$) and the sound quality should satisfy any digital audiophile while doing away with ugly stacks of CD's.

      Do you have any idea how hard it is to satisfy an audiophile? ;-) That must be worth a few hundred bucks...

      Regards,
      Xenna

  5. Re:Ogg support please... by jas79 · · Score: 3, Informative

    RTFA's.
    It supports ogg according to the review from december.

  6. don't feed the troll by Neophytus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Audio formats:

    * PCM (AIFF, WAV)
    o Supports raw pass-through of uncompressed audio
    o Sample rates: 32, 44.1 (CD), and 48Khz (DAT)
    o Configurable sample rate, byte order, channels
    * MP3, MP2:
    o Built-in decoding for all MP3/MP2 formats
    o Supports all MP3 data rates, including VBR
    o Supports all MP3 sample rates
    * AAC, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis:
    o Supported through server-side decoding
    o May be streamed in PCM (raw) or MP3 (transcoded) format

    1. Re:don't feed the troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but have you actually TRIED the ogg support? It sounds awful (being based on an early beta of the decoder) and will not handle some newer oggs. I have also had it lock up on me a couple of times. For all intents and purposes, the device doesn't have ogg support. It's a nice machine otherwise, though.

    2. Re:don't feed the troll by Neophytus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i don't have the thing myself, so i couldn't tell

      because the ogg support is server-side rather than in the firmware isn't this able to be patched?

    3. Re:don't feed the troll by 87C751 · · Score: 3, Informative
      I do have the thing myself. :) (one of each, actually)

      Ogg support currently uses oggdec by default, though you can easily use any decoder that can write to stdout.

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  7. Story has got it all wrong by BKDotCom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uh... I may be completely stupid but they are not playing video over the Squeeze. They're just using it as the IR receiver to control "Media Player" on a PC with "TV Out" Woo

    1. Re:Story has got it all wrong by Stuwee · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed it would look like that to me as well. In the words of the Videobox site: "Just add a way to get your PC's Video & Audio signals to your living room TV set to transform your Squeezebox into a Video Player."

      It is a rather novel way to control things none the less, and with something like the suggested Trust Wireless Televiewer, you could stream video nicely through to your TV set from your PC sans-wires. In conclusion however, it doesn't look like a reason to rush out and buy a Squeezebox.

    2. Re:Story has got it all wrong by rockmuelle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This definately appears to be the case. I read the post and hoped that they were actaully streaming video to the squeezebox and using some clever server hack to modulate the video signal and send it out over one of the audio channels. This is not the case at all. They're just using the Squeezebox as the remote control for a PC connected to the TV.

      While this isn't as exiciting, it's still a nifty hack. One of the great things about the Squeezebox is that its form factor and UI enable it to integreate seamlessly into an existing AV system. Not only does it look like an AV component, but it acts like one too. The UI is simple and it's easy to control with the remote control.

      Other hacks let you use the Squeezebox to check weather and stock quotes. If your PC is already connected to your computer and you have a Squeezebox, this hack lets you control your audio and video using one remote and the simple display provided by the Squeezebox. It's looks like it's a natural way to combine two similar things (audio and video) under one UI, even though the data paths are completely separate.

      So, even though it's not a streaming video hack, it's still a nifty hack.

      (it's worth noting that I'm a Squeezebox owner and love the hacks that people have done for it - the few times I've had a cool idea for it, someone's already done it! It's a great community and it's great that Slim Devices has opened up the software for tinkering.)

      -Chris

    3. Re:Story has got it all wrong by gabebear · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yep, pretty lame. My brother has been using X10's PC remote for a few years now to do the same thing(which has decent Linux support).

      Elgato just released EyeHome which streams audio/video from your Computer(Mac Only) via Ethernet to a TV for the same price. It looks sweet, XLR8YourMac has had a bunch of users review it. It only accepts Mpeg1, Mpeg2(non-VBR), and DIVX streams from their "EyeHome Media Server". The same company Sells nice firewire tuners with TIVO like software that incorporates into the setup.

      Seriously though, if you want a good TV frontend for your computer, get an Xbox and put Linux on it (no, you don't need to buy a mod-chip). It costs less than any other option and is a lot more flexable.

  8. Mama's got a Squeezebox by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mama's got a Squeezebox
    And when Daddy comes home
    He never gets no rest

    'Cause she's playing all night
    And the CODEC's all right
    Mama's got a Squeezebox
    Daddy never sleeps at night

    "Well the stuntman can't eat"
    says Valenti, who can't sleep
    When you play illegal DIVx
    Cuz it's so damn l33t

    'Cause she's playing all night
    And the movie's all right
    Mama's got a Squeezebox
    Daddy never sleeps at night

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  9. What Squeezebox is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    People are comparing it to an iPod, and asking how much storage it has.

    Basically it is:

    A networked MP3 player

    Uses your computer to store MP3s - should have enough space for movies

    $249

    Looks about the size of an access point

    Plays ogg and flac

  10. Re:Yeah- momma's got a squeezebox by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...or if squeezebox was supposed to be slang for vagina. ....which she "wears on her chest"? Anatomy lessons all around, folks. Time to help out those folks whose only knowledge of female anatomy comes from all-night Tomb Raider sessions.

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  11. Is this useful? by sabNetwork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It looks like all VideoBox does is turn your $300 Squeezebox into an LCD display showing the video filename. Woohoo, great, who cares?

    This isn't news until someone figures out how to make the Squeezebox stream the video.

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  12. Re:Ogg support please... by Mattwolf7 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Pulled from http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_specs.html

    Audio formats:
    * PCM (AIFF, WAV)
    o Supports raw pass-through of uncompressed audio
    o Sample rates: 32, 44.1 (CD), and 48Khz (DAT)
    o Configurable sample rate, byte order, channels
    * MP3, MP2:
    o Built-in decoding for all MP3/MP2 formats
    o Supports all MP3 data rates, including VBR
    o Supports all MP3 sample rates
    * AAC, FLAC, Ogg Vorbis
    o Supported through server-side decoding
    o May be streamed in PCM (raw) or MP3 (transcoded) format

  13. Re:Sounds better than the iPod by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With all the flames for the iPod and its battery, I can't help but wonder.. do these people think that most consumer products with rechargeable batteries allow the batteries to be replaced easily, if at all? I just threw out a cordless screwdriver whose batteries stopped taking a charge, and there was no replacing them. A few months ago I threw away a rechargeable flashlight for the same reason. So what is it about the iPod that makes it deserve such relentless attacks? Do a google search on "ipod battery" and I'm sure you'll find dozens of sites that offer replacement batteries for the iPod, with detailed instructions on how to do the replacement - that's more than I can say for any of the rechargeable items I've thrown away in the past few years.

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  14. This is... by jx100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..oddly reminiscent of the Rockbox project (which has also enabled an MP3 player to play video).

  15. Missing the point by platypussrex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Seems like people don't get it. Squeezebox sits in the room with your stereo and lets you remote control a stream of music from your computer (possibly in another room) to your stereo. The idea is that your HD can hold a lot of stuff but you might not want to walk into the other room to change programs.

    This hack lets you do the same with video stored on your computer. You sit in your home theatre room (or whatever) Squeezebox is already installed to do remote control on streamed audio, now you can do remote control on streamed video too.

    Usefull? Beats me, but at least understand what the product does.

    1. Re:Missing the point by mikewren420 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, but with this hack, it requires the PC video be in the same room as the TV, or you have a really really long cable run... making this kind of a ho-hum addon.

  16. Interesting but still too expensive... by igrp · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Whilst this is interesting, especially the concept of having an easily hackable and adaptable MP3 device, at $249 for the wired and $299, respectively, for the wireless model, it's still way too expensive. And according to Froogle, the MSRP is pretty much what everyone else is charging.

    At $300, one could easily build a stripped-down PC system with the same functionality (and more flexibility).

    It also doesn't really look too cool either; more like like some standard CE set-top box so there's isn't really an "aesthetic incentive" to buy one of these either.

    1. Re:Interesting but still too expensive... by l0rd · · Score: 3, Informative

      While this is a nice hack, for the same price you can get a kiss dvd player which can already play divxs/mp3s/mp3 streams/mpgs etc. over your network.

      Also an added disadvatage is that you use a video card's tv out. This means that you don't get a full widescreen output to your TV.

      While I still think the slimp3 thins is really cool for what it does (play mp3s), it's still WAY to expensive. Maybe if the thing was $50 cheaper and properly supperted video the price would be worth it.

  17. Not a video player by frostman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry, no. It does not become a video player.

    It seems it becomes a remote control with a nice LED display.

    You still have to "add a way to get your PC's Video & Audio signals to your living room
    TV set." ( that's from the link )

    It's a cool use of the box, but since the box itself is not actually playing the video or outputting the video (or even the audio) signal, they shouldn't call it a video player.

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  18. Re:Sounds better than the iPod by blackeye · · Score: 2, Informative
  19. Re:Sounds better than the iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just threw out a cordless screwdriver

    A cordless screwdriver? I didn't know screwdrivers had cords in the first place.

  20. Easy. by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cordless screwdrives don't cost 300 USD. People expect more from a high dollar product sold by a company with a reputation of producing quality products.

  21. Other Slimp3 software by beevan_jedi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's a list on the SlimDevices website, and there's also an alternative (GPL'd) audio server

  22. Re:Sounds better than the iPod by dave420 · · Score: 2, Informative
    It's AC powered, numbnuts. I mean, it's fine to be first up slamming a device, but please get your facts right first. It's a network device, not a portable audio player. It has no storage. It's designed to be put in one place and left to it. Sheesh.

    I know this is slashdot, but please...

  23. It actually does look cool by grahamsz · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wasn't too impressed with the pictures online, but in reality it looks very cool.

    It's very well made, with a soft-touch rubberized finish - and it's tiny. It easily sits on top of the wave radio that we usually use it with.

  24. I love my Squeezeboxen! by Brackney · · Score: 4, Informative

    I ordered a Squeezebox after reading the /. story posted back in December, and I'm glad I did. I've since added a second box in my house and my Dad bought one too. It's a terrific interface that makes my music collection available anywhere in the house. Slimdevices along with the development community has been great at fixing bugs and enhancing the functionality of the server software and unit firmware. Check 'em out!

  25. eyeHome instead? by SoftwareJuggler · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since this just makes the $250 Squeezebox a really expensive remote for you 'puter, you might want to consider some other products instead.

    If want you want is just a remote for your computer, then the Keyspan Digital Media Remote provides a $40 dollar alternative.

    If you want to stream video to you TV from your Mac, then El Gato's eyeHome will pull this off at the same price as the Squeezebox. It will also stream music from iTunes and do slideshows from iPhoto, with no hacking required. ( I know.. what's the fun in that :) )

    If you want to wait for Microsoft Announceware, you could get the Windows Media Center Extender for XBOX and use the XBOX to stream video to your TV.

    Or at ~$150 you could get the Linksys Wireless Media Adapter . This is the first round of Intel's Digital Media Adapters , of which there is a good review of the technology at linuxdevices.com

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  26. Re:Yeah- momma's got a squeezebox by seanadams.com · · Score: 3, Funny

    Time to help out those folks whose only knowledge of female anatomy comes from all-night Tomb Raider sessions.

    I think this illustration should help to clear up any confusion as to where the squeezebox is located.

  27. change Title to "blah...Hacked to CONTROL the play by Locutus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The title of this should be changed to read

    blah...Hacked to CONTROL the play of video

    This "hack" is just a way to used the remote control and display of the Squeezebox to control a PC's video playback. This is not really news worthy IMHO since the advantage of the Squeezebox is that you are not near your PC and can play your MP3's still. If you've got a PC connected to your TV, use the TV display to control the video for goodness sake. It'll be right there in front of you and far easier to see and use since there are many remote PC controllers already out.

    BTW, a Sharp Zaurus can play SAMBA mounted directories over WiFi. Shoutcast could feed the audio stream and external speakers to amplify the sound...

    LoB

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  28. If you have a PS2 you can use that for video... by JamieF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're wishing that there were a device that did what the headline suggests that this hack does (that is, play AVIs and stuff without a PC doing all the work) then you might want to look into this.

    I bought an early release of the BroadQ QCast software (which I believe is now sold as the Mad Catz GameShark Media Player) for the PS2. It's pretty interesting - you have to get the PS2 network adapter so that your PS2 has ethernet, and then you also have to run the Java based streaming server app on the server that has all your media files on it. Once you've done that, you run this software and it lets you browse and play your audio and video media.

    Initially I was pretty disappointed in the video performance. Basically most of the movies I had wouldn't play (either due to codec incompatibility, or the codec not being able to keep up with the frame rate) and especially because there was no fast-forward or rewind. A later release fixed most of those issues including the FF/RW.

    It's still kinda cool but I'm sort of over my movie-ripping phase and back to DVDs so I don't use it that much. To be honest it's fairly cumbersome to get it all set up, so unless you really want to watch a lot of non-DVD digital video on your TV, it's probably not worth it. But you might find that this is a good audio solution with the bonus of movie playback.

    Tom's Hardware has a review that's concurrent with my initial experiences:
    http://www.arstechnica.com/reviews/0 03/qcast/qcast -3.html