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BSD Interview Roundup
Some anonymous readers wrote in to let us know about a couple of different interviews in the OpenBSD and NetBSD communities. O'Reilly's ONLamp has an interview with OpenBSD's Marc Espie, who maintains a good share of OpenBSD's build tools, as well as having made numerous contributions to the project. OSDN's own NewsForge also has a interview with NetBSD's Luke Mewburn of the NetBSD Core Group.
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Due to recent AUP policy changes at .cx NIC, one of the key GNAA sponsored websites, http://goatse.cx has been found "in violation of .cx AUP policies". This announcement delivered a huge blow to the GNAA organization. .cx TLD, http://goat.cx. Users are welcome to use this website while we try to persuade .cx NIC to reinstate goatse.cx domain.
.cx AUP policies, http://www.nic.cx/policies/pdf/cx.AUP.pdf #5, page 7, and is therefore suspended. .cx board met and revised all .cx policies (December .cx policies that has not changed is that each domain
Without goatse.cx, we lose an important piece of GNAA.
"We will not let this happen", GNAA representative goat-see said to the press. "GNAA will begin planning a terrorist attack on the Christmas Islands."
GNAA currently operates a back-up site, also located at the
"In the event that our peaceful negotiations will fail, Christmas islands are sure to be gone off the face of this planet", added another GNAA member, penisbird.
If you would like to show support for goatse.cx domain, please visit the following links:
Petition to reinstate goatse.cx (currently down due to attack)
nic.cx feedback forums goatse.cx thread
Thank you!
excerpt from an irc log
@b- The domain goatse.cx has been found in violation of
@r- shit, that sucks
*** joey (joey@brodels.gngsta.com) has joined nologin
@s- yea i read, page 7 only talks about payment issues though
@s- nothing about content
@b- ya
@b- im confused too
@s- i dunno what the #5 means
@s- oh i see
@s- Communication publication or distribution of adult or obscene content
@s- or images by way of embedded links in unsolicited email, postings to
@s- news groups, internet forums, notices to instant messaging programs,
@s- where the internet user is not explicitly made aware that by clicking on
@s- the link they would be directly exposed to adult or obscene content.
@b- hah
@b- he'll have to make a splash page
@s- i already put the lawyer warning on there
@p- hah
@b- that amendment to thier AUP
@b- is like 100% goatse
@s- - Over the years we have received numerous complaints of this domain's
@s- - content, but no person filee an AUP violation form against the
@s- - domain. Recently the
@s- - 2003). One of the
@s- - holder is required to review the policies every thirty days and make sure
@s- - their domain is in compliance (Please read part 1, page 2 of
@s- - http://www.nic.cx/policies/pdf/cx.registration.agr eement.pdf).
@s- -
@s- - We do not review web sites and cannot ensure every domain holder is in
@s- - compliance. But, if a domain is brought to our attention that fails to
@s- - comply with our policies, we reserve the right to suspend the domain.
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@s- - I am unclear if you change the content, the suspension might be
@s- - revoked. If you are considering this option, please send a note of inquiry
@s- - to info@nic.cx.
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@s- - Best Wishes,
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@s- - Elaine Pruis
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Which is more secure, OpensBSD or NetBSD?
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I'm impressed that ONLamp and NewsForge were able to conduct this interview with BSD. The discussion was interesting, and not one I would ever have thought had a chance of taking place.
I think the next thing they should do is offer their services to the United Nations. Imagine, for example, what we could learn from interviewing Mohammed Atta. Or even a Palestinian suicide bomber. What if the UN could interview Saddam's brothers, Uday and Qusay? What could we learn about the former Iraqi regime?
Just a few hours ago, I would have thought such interviews would be impossible. But obviously, if it's possible to have an interview with BSD, then these other interviews should be possible as well.
BSD is a fucking virus, please MOD THIS UP 5, informative like lame sux0r sco jokes!
GNOMEBOY touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his jizz truck and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told GNOMEBOY the city would not approve of a lunix hippie touching an underage kid for free. Can you believe it? GNOMEBOY did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the jizz truck's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls. They definately were red flag touches. the goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did GNOMEBOY care? NO WAY! He just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with GNOMEBOY but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a dirty unwashed man touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything. This got to him, worrying about his image. He continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring the referee's red flags. Then he drove the jizz truck to my house and *ejected the seat I was in*! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in Canadian money in it! Sure, Canadian money is worthless, but can you believe it? -- guk
GNOMEBOY touched my junk liberally. he strapped me in to his jizz truck and he couldnt keep his offensive hands off of me. he was performing many red flag touches. i couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. i told GNOMEBOY the city would not approve of a lunix hippie touching an underage kid for free.
Can you believe it? GNOMEBOY did all this. He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the jizz truck's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
They definately were red flag touches. the goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did GNOMEBOY care? NO WAY! He just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with GNOMEBOY but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a dirty unwashed man touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
This got to him, worrying about his image. He continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring the referee's red flags. Then he drove the jizz truck to my house and *ejected the seat I was in*! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in Canadian money in it! Sure, Canadian money is worthless, but can you believe it?
-- guk
I am a Computer Information Systems Professional at a major Fortune 500 corporation. Very recently the head of our IT department decided that we were going to switch every one of our networks over to Windows XP Professional. We had previously been running OpenBSD on all our quad processor Xeons. Some of them had had uptimes approaching a year! My personal favourite, Gerbil, had been running without a reboot for three years.
One day one of those Microsoft shills that you often read about on The Register came by for a visit. I grew very suspicious about what was going on when my boss and the Microsoft representative walked by my desk, and entered the server room. I could hear muffled voices through the closed door. The Microsoft representative was asking what we were running on our servers! My worst fears had come true. I sat at my desk for the rest of the day, silently awaiting the bad news. The news did not come until the next day. It was worse than I had feared. We were to be a Microsoft only shop from that day on! I could not believe it. The Microsoft representative had told my boss that the operating and support costs would actually go down. And my boss had fully bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
Tough times hit our company in the last month, and we were forced to lay off a few of the less experienced IS/IT workers. One of them took this rather hard. As a last minute attempt at corporate sabotage, he decided to change all of the Computer Administrator passwords on a few of the XP Professional boxes sitting around in the server room. This caused absolute havoc, as Dell had failed to send along administrator passwords for the new boxes. Our company could not make use of these computers for three days. It took Dell that long to get us the administrator passwords. It is strictly because of Microsoft's poor implementation of a multi-user computing environment that our company lost three days of productivity.
Needless to say, I had our quad Xeons back running OpenBSD by the end of the week. Gerbil is back on its way to another glorious 3 years of uptime.
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Two teenagers who broke into a FTP server, downloaded a FreeBSD ISO and played with it were convicted Friday of violating the dead under an ancient Scottish law used by prosecutors for the first time in more than a century.
Sonny Devlin, 17, of Edinburgh, and his 15-year-old companion, who could not be named as a minor, were found guilty in the High Court of "violation of a sepulcher" for their acts on the ftp.freebsd.org server in June last year. Both had pleaded innocent.
The crime, which incorporates the Latin term for a burial place, carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment -- one that is unlikely to be given to the youths when they are sentenced April 20.
The last recorded court case on this charge was in 1899, when William Coutts faced six such charges.
Coutts was jailed for six months for digging up coffins to use for other burials.
The law was most often used in the first part of the 19th century to prosecute "body-snatchers" who removed corpses for use as anatomical specimens.
Witnesses told the court the defendants broke into the site on a dare to download the ISO, which was in a mummified state.
The pair then installed it back and forth, and Devlin, who admitted that he had been drinking heavily before the incident, installed Linux software as though it could run on the dying OS.
Devlin and his co-defendant stared straight ahead as the verdict was delivered, but several of their relatives broke down in tears in the public gallery.
By Chinese Karma Whore, Version 1.0
Everyone knows about BSD's failure and imminent demise. As we pore over the history of BSD, we'll uncover a story of fatal mistakes, poor priorities, and personal rivalry, and we'll learn what mistakes to avoid so as to save Linux from a similarly grisly fate.
Let's not be overly morbid and give BSD credit for its early successes. In the 1970s, Ken Thompson and Bill Joy both made significant contributions to the computing world on the BSD platform. In the 80s, DARPA saw BSD as the premiere open platform, and, after initial successes with the 4.1BSD product, gave the BSD company a 2 year contract.
These early triumphs would soon be forgotten in a series of internal conflicts that would mar BSD's progress. In 1992, AT&T filed suit against Berkeley Software, claiming that proprietary code agreements had been haphazardly violated. In the same year, BSD filed countersuit, reciprocating bad intentions and fueling internal rivalry. While AT&T and Berkeley Software lawyers battled in court, lead developers of various BSD distributions quarreled on Usenet. In 1995, Theo de Raadt, one of the founders of the NetBSD project, formed his own rival distribution, OpenBSD, as the result of a quarrel that he documents on his website. Mr. de Raadt's stubborn arrogance was later seen in his clash with Darren Reed, which resulted in the expulsion of IPF from the OpenBSD distribution.
As personal rivalries took precedence over a quality product, BSD's codebase became worse and worse. As we all know, incompatibilities between each BSD distribution make code sharing an arduous task. Research conducted at MIT found BSD's filesystem implementation to be "very poorly performing." Even BSD's acclaimed TCP/IP stack has lagged behind, according to this study.
Problems with BSD's codebase were compounded by fundamental flaws in the BSD design approach. As argued by Eric Raymond in his watershed essay, The Cathedral and the Bazaar, rapid, decentralized development models are inherently superior to slow, centralized ones in software development. BSD developers never heeded Mr. Raymond's lesson and insisted that centralized models lead to 'cleaner code.' Don't believe their hype - BSD's development model has significantly impaired its progress. Any achievements that BSD managed to make were nullified by the BSD license, which allows corporations and coders alike to reap profits without reciprocating the goodwill of open-source. Fortunately, Linux is not prone to this exploitation, as it is licensed under the GPL.
The failure of BSD culminated in the resignation of Jordan Hubbard and Michael Smith from the FreeBSD core team. They both believed that FreeBSD had long lost its earlier vitality. Like an empire in decline, BSD had become bureaucratic and stagnant. As Linux gains market share and as BSD sinks deeper into the mire of decay, their parting addresses will resound as fitting eulogies to BSD's demise.
We really have to admit that NetBSD is in decline. In all likelihood, there may be only one more (or possibly two) releases before NetBSD goes away forever.
I know it is now almost a mantra set in stone that "NetBSD is dying". Unfortunately, the abuse of that fact by trolls has obscured the truth, that truth being that NetBSD really is dying.
My main reason for moving away from NetBSD has been twofold. First, to avoid the constant political infighting and bickering. And secondly, to investigate more promising and viable entries in the operating systems sweepstakes. NetBSD is no longer a legitimate player, I'm sorry to say.
taking over. Hopefully, the shit code known as LinSux will go away soon and be replaced by a real OS, namely BSD. Oh, and did I mention that LinSux users are all flaming faggots with cocks perpetually stuck in their asses?
Yet another sickening blow has struck what's left of the *BSD community, as a soon-to-be-released report by the independent Commision for Technology Management (CTM) after a year-long study has concluded: *BSD is already dead. Here are some of the commission's findings:
Fact: the *BSDs have balkanized yet again. There are now no less than twelve separate, competing *BSD projects, each of which has introduced fundamental incompatibilities with the other *BSDs, and frequently with Unix standards. Average number of developers in each project: fewer than five. Average number of users per project: there are no definitive numbers, but reports show that all projects are on the decline.
Fact: DragonflyBSD, yet another offshoot of the beleaguered FreeBSD "project", is already collapsing under the weight of internal power struggles and in-fighting. "They haven't done a single decent release," notes Mark Baron, an industry watcher and columnist. "Their mailing lists read like an online version of a Jerry Springer episode, complete with food fights, swearing, name-calling, and chair-throwing." Netcraft reports that DragonflyBSD is run on exactly 0% of internet servers.
Fact: *BSD has no support from the media. Number of Linux magazines available at bookstores: 5 (Linux Journal, Linux World, Linux Developer, Linux Format, Linux User). Number of available *BSD magazines: 0. Current count of Linux-oriented technical books: 1071. Current count of *BSD books: 6.
Fact: XFree86 is dropping support for *BSD. The remaining core group believes that the *BSDs have strayed too far from Unix standards and have become too difficult to support along with Linux and Solaris x86. "It's too much trouble," said one anonymous developer. "If they want to make their own standards, let them doing the porting for us."
Fact: Many user-level applications will no longer work under *BSD, and no one is working to change this. The GIMP, a Photoshop-like application, has not worked at all under *BSD since version 1.1 (sorry, too much trouble for such a small base, developers have said). OpenOffice, a Microsoft Office clone, has never worked under *BSD and never will. ("Why would we bother?" said developer Steven Andrews, an OpenOffice team lead.)
Fact: servers running OpenBSD, which claims to focus on security, are frequently compromised. According to Jim Markham, editor of the online security forum SecurityWatch, the few OpenBSD servers that exist on the internet have become a joke among the hacker community. "They make a game out of it," he says. "(OpenBSD leader) Theo [de Raadt] will scramble to make a new patch to fix one problem, and they've already compromised a bunch of boxes with a different exploit."
Fact: NetBSD, which claims to focus on portability (whatever that is supposed to mean), is slow, and cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs. "That about drove the last nail in the coffin for BSD use here," said Michael Curry, CTO of Amazon.com. "We took our NetBSD boxes out to the backyard and shot them in the head. We're much happier running Linux."
Fact: There are almost no FreeBSD developers left, and its use, according to Netcraft, is down to a sadly crippled
With these incontroverible facts staring (what's left of) the *BSD community in the face, they can only draw one conclusion: *BSD is already dead.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.
BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
CERT SecAD NBSD4536A746
Advisory: Olfactory disturbance during *BSD use
Affected: NetBSD all versions
FreeBSD all versions
OpenBSD all versions
Description: The dead corpse of a *BSD operating system emits a foul, disgusting smell which reduces the productivity of the users.
Recommended activities: - use nose plugs
- removal of *BSD operating system, replace with Linux or Windows XP
It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dbblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
Somewhere, in a lonely hospital room,
*BSD is dying
In a startling turn of events today, a previously little-known fact came into the public eye: "*BSD Sux0rs". This came as a complete surprise to the BUWLA, or BSD Users With Large Assholes, as they previously thought that *BSD 0wned.
"You see, even though I have never contributed code to any BSD project, I thought it was my duty to be a big asshole to others which don't use the OS I do, because it just 0wnz.", said one FreeBSD user. "Now that I know it sux0rs, though, I have to go find something else to be an asshole about."
One notorious OpenBSD fanatic known as WideOpen, told reporters, "I have to kill myself. This isn't how it was supposed to happen. My BSD has always been the best, and shouting that opinion in other people's faces at every chance I got has been my only hobby. It was all I ever did. It was what got me out of bed in the morning. Now I have to die. I will jam my bedpost up my ass until I hit my brain. It is the only way to go: BSD style."
In the volatile world of operating systems anything can happen. "At least we don't sux0r as much as Windows users", BigAzz, a relatively well-known NetBSD user said. "Screaming things in people's faces is my calling. Now I need to scream that BSD sux0rs. What a sad world. At least I won't kill myself like those uber-asshole OpenBSD guys. They are just way over the top. Or were, at least."
Nobody knows for sure what the future holds for the state of operating systems, but with Netcraft confirming the sux0r status, *BSD users all over the world will have to stick something else up their asses from now on or risk looking even more gay than they used to.
It's braindead! That's why they call it BSD - Braindead Software Distribution.
Why not try Linux instead? It works better and the industry (IBM, et al) are poring huge money into it. Also, Linux isn't dead like BSD.
Very true. BSD never lived up to the hype. It's slower than NT, it's certainly slower than Linux
I cannot understand why people say FreeBSD is dead. Do they not work in the ISP/programming/networking industries? Are 90% of linux users just retards who get transparent terminals working and consider themselves educated on why linux is better than FreeBSD?
Reading slashdot when it comes to BSD is like reading a bathroom wall in a high school.
FreeBSD is all I use. I graduated from the ISP industry to a CLEC. And guess what??? They also use FreeBSD.
So all you linux dorks out there, you better not have that attitude when you go for an interview. No wonder you are unemployed. HAH.
kiss my ass linux zealots. Even plan9 interests me more than linux.
OpenBSD is far from a terrible choice for servers in general, except for one class; SMP boxes. Currently, OpenBSD has no SMP support, and although it is being worked on, it won't be out for at least another year, it will be for i386 boxes only, and it will be of a "Big Giant Lock" type of SMP, where if one kernel process holds the BGL, no other kernel processes will be able to run on any of the computer's CPUs. OpenBSD also has no kernel threading ATM, making it less optimal for really intensive tasks.
There are so many remote vulnerabilities in it, and the components of BSD (ports actually, not the base system) work so poorly together, and the system itself is so badly designed (you have to spend all your time compiling updates), that it'd be better for everyone if BSD never existed. Now Microsoft may use it in an anti-open-source case study of dismal productivity, compatibility and "wide open" security.
It mentions things even I didn't
know, but after some googling they
turned out to be true. Those
DragonflyBSD mailing lists are
indeed hilarious!
I do not believe that this is the case here (looking at the code of both from that time).
The fact that the problem areas were brought to the attention of the NetBSD developers seems to be a much more likely reason for the quick catch up.
Why are you just as quick to speard "FUD" as the person you're replying to?
Why would people go through so much trouble to flame BSD or Linux? Do they really have nothing better to do?
Check this out
Jesus god you're a faggot.
As /. rejected story about this, perhaps at least people, who read messages here can read this...
http://pkgsrcCon.org , the first pkgsrc conference ever will be held in Vienna (Austria, Europe) on April 30 - May 2, 2004
Visit the official www page
Because like me it is Stupid American
Its very clearly open. Code is being audited all the time, daemons are being modified to run with priviledge seperation, setuid root programs are almost non-existant now on open. Then on top of that, there is the non-executable stack, propolice, and W^X protection of memory pages, and stack gap randomization. The first things make exploits much less likely, and the second make it very difficult to successfully exploit something that has an exploitable bug. Anyone who pretends netbsd is more secure is delusional or lying to you.
How something so blatently stupid is modded insightful I can't imagine. Seriously, openbsd has had only 1 remote hole in 7 entire years with its defaults. This is a factual public record of how good their defaults are, and you think that's not as good as net? Get real.
Of course this is ./, why do I even post?
Mark Espie is the king of porting, knows more than almost everyone, so it is interesting to see what he thinks. I laugh at the prickly barbs he tosses in every so often. If there were one thing I think OpenBSD should do is relax a little bit and try to be just a little more diplomatic. So the world if full of jerks and dorks, but that means you still will get reasonable service at McDonalds, because they knew enough to treat the customer in a way that keeps them coming back.
I wish someone would interview me. I have an opinon about OBSD:
SD: What do you think of it?
Me: I got it running on nearly every old piece of hardware we have at the university. I run our nameservers on snapshot releases, tons of uptime (like 700 plus days)
SD: What do you do to support it?
Me: I talk it up around here, but no one seems interested, so I talk to my boss and we buy several copies of each release. I have a complete set of them, probably about half never opened, (because I run snapshots so much of the time)
SD: Got a beef with the way Theo runs the project?
Me: no, not at all. He cranks out the project, rides herd on a bunch of volunteers, and makes a living at it. More power to him, as long as it keeps working good for me.
SD: Why not run linux instead, it is more popular?
Me: Well I started out running a linux box as a management station (ping routers, telnet, traceroute) back in the Win 95 days, and it got hacked (ftp vulnerability) and was used as a bounce point for some jerk uploading porn. Pissed me off, so I shut it off. Soon we got a firewall and the consultant said "try OpenBSD, it's secure" This was with release 2.3, I tried it, installed so many snapshots over time that I could do it in a moment, never had any trouble. Linux seemed more involved, and yes it has more, but I have never had any of my 25 systems running OBSD get compromised.
How the hell does this garbage get modded up?
Oh yeah.
Slashdot moderators are RETARDS!
Just, when i was installing it on my Pentium 200 MHz, 48MiB RAM, it never did end the installation because it was installing at rate 9 KB per second!!!.
Why 9 KiB/s?
I don't know why, but i did a # top and i did see that the CPU was 90% idle and 10% running of cpio, gzip and others programs.
Why 90% cpu-idle for the slower and slower installation?
I don't know why, i believe that FreeBSD's president is hurting us and he wants money with worse and worse code.
open4free
Slashdot moderators are retards, plain and simple. And simple minded, goat buggers. And Linux users.