No, it does not taste good, it tastes gamey and is more work to chew than it is worth. Saying random dumb shit tastes good does not make you cool, honestly. If bear meat actually tasted good, we would raise bears to eat. We do not, we raise cows and pigs because cows and pigs taste good. And we did not eveolve to eat bears, don't be so fucking dumb.
I don't understand, who is envious of what? Regardless, I don't consider your sound card, video card, or dvd writer server software, which is where solaris is aimed. So of course they aren't supported, run a desktop OS on your desktop. And your promise raind controller is most certainly shitty hardware, if you want software raid, just run software raid, if you want hardware raid go buy a real controller.
And I'm not sure if you realize this, but solaris performs quite adequately, maybe you should try it sometime instead of whining that its not linux.
Yeah, cause I would love to spend money developing a game for a platform that doesn't even have 3d hardware support. ATI could do really well just by taking the chance and RELEASING DOCUMENTATION, not writing a driver. That way they would get better quality drivers made for them, for free, and for all free unix systems, not just particular linux kernel versions. And the downside is what again? Oh, right, they have to stop accepting the typical wall street "protect my IP" mentality and realize there's nothing there to protect. Too bad that will never happen.
And who says that url is actually the one replying? This shows they are completely out to lunch, and have no idea how to use unix. Running wget|sh as root is one of the most incredibly stupid things you could possibly do. There is absolutely nothing to assure that what you get came from ximian, even if you trusted ximian not to get their website hacked and have a malicious script put up instead. (Given this stupidity, I wouldn't trust them to keep their website/server from being hacked.)
Try reading that a little harder. Its barely functional, and not being used for anything. He was testing it out, and said he was suprised to see that with some tweaking, it was basically functional. There is a huge difference between scaling to 512 CPUs and being installed on a 512 CPU machine. He's looking to do some work to actually make it scale to 512 way machines.
And as for the last comment, you are just plain making stuff up now, nothing screams on a 64 way xeon machine. Xeons are seriously hampered in large scale machines by intels stubborn refusal to make a real CPU interconnect. It might run on it, and I am certain it will be faster than an average machine, but it will not be as fast as it should be, like a comparable power4 machine is.
Just look at all the crap that goes into the typical C/C++ project's./configure.sh to see why Sun is so anal about this!
To be fair, 90% of that shit doesn't need to be in there. Autoheader, autoconf, automake, libtool, etc seriously overcomplicate the build process, and cause more headaches and problems than they solve.
You can do a pretty good job of making a portable program in C or C++ if you write it for posix systems, instead of just whatever system you happen to be using. Its not actually as bad as the average configure script makes it seem.
Yes I have. You didn't read my post did you? If sun wanted to support more hardware, they would ask the hardware manufacturer for docs and write the drivers. They don't want to support every random shitty broken piece of hardware, its not a concern. People using solaris are typically bright enough to buy supported hardware.
And again, they already can take bsd drivers if they want, being able to take gpl linux drivers too isn't going to add anything for them.
They can already use drivers from the BSDs, and the code is 10x easier to read and do anything with than linux drivers. Sun would benefit not at all from device drivers, they are a company with a closed source product and a name, they can just ask the hardware manufacturer for the docs, sign their NDA and write a driver. How on earth could you possibly think drivers are linux's big asset that sun would want, and how on earth could you possibly think sun wants or needs drivers in any way?
Only if you are using an OS that is dumb enough to prefer disk cache to applications (linux 2.4>, windows, etc). Some OS's don't swap out processes to make more disk cache that I don't want or need and provides me with no benefit.
Using swap is bad, period. Swap is slow. I would rather keep my disk cache at 10MB of recently used stuff and have *all* my programs running in physical memory than have 128MB of disk cache full of crap that will not be accessed again while its still in the cache, and have the apps I am not currently using, but want to switch back to in 5 minutes in swap.
Or if you *actually* follow news instead of just following biased and innacurate article summaries on slashdot, BayStar wanted no such thing. Go read the actual article, don't worry, I won't tell anyone.
Unfortunately, dumbasses try to blame C all the time for programmers making mistakes using it. Every time there is an exploit in anything and it gets posted here a ton of java dweebs come out trolling about how C is outdated and flawed and we should use java for everything.
No, it doesn't. Its close, but not the same. Minor differences can make a huge difference. I have to install nvi when I use a linux distro because vim is so awkward to me.
An undeserved and unproven reputation. "I think its faster cause I fed my buggy compiler a shitload of flags I don't understand" is a great way to go though, really. Until you do some benchmarks and realize you've slowed things down a fair bit, and you can't even complete all the benchmarks now because the compiler has produced broken output.
Read the website, install the OS, read the mailing list. Security wise, open vs free, its not even close. You thinking that giving a user a shell is as good as giving them root is a good example of how freebsd is not as secure as open.
Try this, install openbsd and freebsd, and count how many setuid root apps are installed on each. Does apache chroot() on freebsd? Do bind, syslog, tcpdump, X and probably a couple other things I am forgetting have priviledge seperation like openssh? Has freebsd thouroughly audited their code? Does freebsd have propolice, non-executable stack, W^X and stack gap randomization to prevent programs that do inevitably have security problems from being exploited? Random pids? Random ephemeral ports? Encrypted swap?
That's a list I came up with off the top of my head, its not complete. I like freebsd too, and I use it where it serves it purpose, but trying to pretend its as secure as open is rediculous.
Or pull it out of your ass. Pretending there is not a problem will not make it so. You are not a cool rebel because you disagree with the "authorities". Ditch the grade school mentality and start reading.
The predictions are *not* based on the theory that the earth is hotter now than it ever was. Its based on the fact that its hotter now than it should be. Given where we currently are in both the large and small warming/cooling trends, its much hotter than it should be. This problem will be made much worse as we move into another warm "peak" in the trend. Imagine how bad the 1400s would have been with millions of tons of extra greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, and a giant fucking hole in the ozone layer.
If you don't think the data is correct, feel free to argue against it and provide your facts. But pretending there is no problem based on you not having the faintest clue what the research is about isn't helping anyone. Its easy to argue against something you made up, but wait a couple days till the site is back, and then actually read the report and try again, only this time argue against what they are actually saying.
Just because something is phrased in an inflamatory manner, doesn't make it wrong. The thing is that its not just natives, there's plenty of white trash with 9 or 10 kids and sitting around collecting welfare. I don't understand why you like paying for other people who decided "making babies" was a career. Other people's right to be fuckwads has to end where it starts impacting everyone else.
No, they picked that name as a jab at microsoft. This is what they do, the OS is irrelevent, have you seen it? I'm just suprised he wussed out now instead of continuing to push the issue further with a name like LinDOS.
The government could pass a law just like that for GPL software too though. Of course, one would hope their not stupid enough to do either, but then again, they don't have a track record of being really bright.
You are confused though. If I make something public domain, no restrictions can ever be applied, including by the author. You can use it to make something else that isn't free, but that in no way restricts the freedom of the public domain work, which remains free forever, for everyone, period.
Completely free doesn't have anything to do with something based off of the thing in question. If item A is free, you can do whatever you want with it, including making a non-free B based on A. If I can't do that then it isn't free to begin with, so there is no "keeping" it free.
Making a closed source app from public domain code doesn't restrict freedom at all. The public domain code is still there, still in the public domain, and anyone can still do anything they want with it. The GPL does not mean free, it means forced to accept a license which restricts what you can and cannot do with the source.
Don't let the GNU/Propaganda fool you, free means given away without restriction, to anyone, for anything, for ever, period. Not "I'll give you the source, but you have to give anyone else any source you make based on it.". If that's the license you want for your software then that's great, go ahead and use it, I have a GPL project on sourceforge myself. But don't try to call it free.
He didn't found the free software community, the gnu software community maybe, but free software and people interested in writing and using it have been around since before RMS. Its unfair to kidnap the term "free" and distort it to mean "GPL" when the english language defines free as a lack of restriction. Public domain is free, GPL is GPL.
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FFS. Quit playing the "guess a filesystem and pray my data survives" game.
No, it does not taste good, it tastes gamey and is more work to chew than it is worth. Saying random dumb shit tastes good does not make you cool, honestly. If bear meat actually tasted good, we would raise bears to eat. We do not, we raise cows and pigs because cows and pigs taste good. And we did not eveolve to eat bears, don't be so fucking dumb.
I don't understand, who is envious of what? Regardless, I don't consider your sound card, video card, or dvd writer server software, which is where solaris is aimed. So of course they aren't supported, run a desktop OS on your desktop. And your promise raind controller is most certainly shitty hardware, if you want software raid, just run software raid, if you want hardware raid go buy a real controller. And I'm not sure if you realize this, but solaris performs quite adequately, maybe you should try it sometime instead of whining that its not linux.
Yeah, cause I would love to spend money developing a game for a platform that doesn't even have 3d hardware support. ATI could do really well just by taking the chance and RELEASING DOCUMENTATION, not writing a driver. That way they would get better quality drivers made for them, for free, and for all free unix systems, not just particular linux kernel versions. And the downside is what again? Oh, right, they have to stop accepting the typical wall street "protect my IP" mentality and realize there's nothing there to protect. Too bad that will never happen.
And who says that url is actually the one replying? This shows they are completely out to lunch, and have no idea how to use unix. Running wget|sh as root is one of the most incredibly stupid things you could possibly do. There is absolutely nothing to assure that what you get came from ximian, even if you trusted ximian not to get their website hacked and have a malicious script put up instead. (Given this stupidity, I wouldn't trust them to keep their website/server from being hacked.)
You call that making perfect sense? Was it even english?
Try reading that a little harder. Its barely functional, and not being used for anything. He was testing it out, and said he was suprised to see that with some tweaking, it was basically functional. There is a huge difference between scaling to 512 CPUs and being installed on a 512 CPU machine. He's looking to do some work to actually make it scale to 512 way machines.
And as for the last comment, you are just plain making stuff up now, nothing screams on a 64 way xeon machine. Xeons are seriously hampered in large scale machines by intels stubborn refusal to make a real CPU interconnect. It might run on it, and I am certain it will be faster than an average machine, but it will not be as fast as it should be, like a comparable power4 machine is.
How about some evidence of that? Where is this 512 way smp machine running linux?
Yes I have. You didn't read my post did you? If sun wanted to support more hardware, they would ask the hardware manufacturer for docs and write the drivers. They don't want to support every random shitty broken piece of hardware, its not a concern. People using solaris are typically bright enough to buy supported hardware.
And again, they already can take bsd drivers if they want, being able to take gpl linux drivers too isn't going to add anything for them.
They can already use drivers from the BSDs, and the code is 10x easier to read and do anything with than linux drivers. Sun would benefit not at all from device drivers, they are a company with a closed source product and a name, they can just ask the hardware manufacturer for the docs, sign their NDA and write a driver. How on earth could you possibly think drivers are linux's big asset that sun would want, and how on earth could you possibly think sun wants or needs drivers in any way?
Only if you are using an OS that is dumb enough to prefer disk cache to applications (linux 2.4>, windows, etc). Some OS's don't swap out processes to make more disk cache that I don't want or need and provides me with no benefit.
Using swap is bad, period. Swap is slow. I would rather keep my disk cache at 10MB of recently used stuff and have *all* my programs running in physical memory than have 128MB of disk cache full of crap that will not be accessed again while its still in the cache, and have the apps I am not currently using, but want to switch back to in 5 minutes in swap.
"Viewing this site requires the latest version of the Flash plug-in" is definately one of the best games ever made.
Or if you *actually* follow news instead of just following biased and innacurate article summaries on slashdot, BayStar wanted no such thing. Go read the actual article, don't worry, I won't tell anyone.
Unfortunately, dumbasses try to blame C all the time for programmers making mistakes using it. Every time there is an exploit in anything and it gets posted here a ton of java dweebs come out trolling about how C is outdated and flawed and we should use java for everything.
No, it doesn't. Its close, but not the same. Minor differences can make a huge difference. I have to install nvi when I use a linux distro because vim is so awkward to me.
An undeserved and unproven reputation. "I think its faster cause I fed my buggy compiler a shitload of flags I don't understand" is a great way to go though, really. Until you do some benchmarks and realize you've slowed things down a fair bit, and you can't even complete all the benchmarks now because the compiler has produced broken output.
Read the website, install the OS, read the mailing list. Security wise, open vs free, its not even close. You thinking that giving a user a shell is as good as giving them root is a good example of how freebsd is not as secure as open.
Try this, install openbsd and freebsd, and count how many setuid root apps are installed on each. Does apache chroot() on freebsd? Do bind, syslog, tcpdump, X and probably a couple other things I am forgetting have priviledge seperation like openssh? Has freebsd thouroughly audited their code? Does freebsd have propolice, non-executable stack, W^X and stack gap randomization to prevent programs that do inevitably have security problems from being exploited? Random pids? Random ephemeral ports? Encrypted swap?
That's a list I came up with off the top of my head, its not complete. I like freebsd too, and I use it where it serves it purpose, but trying to pretend its as secure as open is rediculous.
Or pull it out of your ass. Pretending there is not a problem will not make it so. You are not a cool rebel because you disagree with the "authorities". Ditch the grade school mentality and start reading.
The predictions are *not* based on the theory that the earth is hotter now than it ever was. Its based on the fact that its hotter now than it should be. Given where we currently are in both the large and small warming/cooling trends, its much hotter than it should be. This problem will be made much worse as we move into another warm "peak" in the trend. Imagine how bad the 1400s would have been with millions of tons of extra greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere, and a giant fucking hole in the ozone layer.
If you don't think the data is correct, feel free to argue against it and provide your facts. But pretending there is no problem based on you not having the faintest clue what the research is about isn't helping anyone. Its easy to argue against something you made up, but wait a couple days till the site is back, and then actually read the report and try again, only this time argue against what they are actually saying.
Just because something is phrased in an inflamatory manner, doesn't make it wrong. The thing is that its not just natives, there's plenty of white trash with 9 or 10 kids and sitting around collecting welfare. I don't understand why you like paying for other people who decided "making babies" was a career. Other people's right to be fuckwads has to end where it starts impacting everyone else.
No, they picked that name as a jab at microsoft. This is what they do, the OS is irrelevent, have you seen it? I'm just suprised he wussed out now instead of continuing to push the issue further with a name like LinDOS.
The government could pass a law just like that for GPL software too though. Of course, one would hope their not stupid enough to do either, but then again, they don't have a track record of being really bright.
You are confused though. If I make something public domain, no restrictions can ever be applied, including by the author. You can use it to make something else that isn't free, but that in no way restricts the freedom of the public domain work, which remains free forever, for everyone, period.
Completely free doesn't have anything to do with something based off of the thing in question. If item A is free, you can do whatever you want with it, including making a non-free B based on A. If I can't do that then it isn't free to begin with, so there is no "keeping" it free.
Making a closed source app from public domain code doesn't restrict freedom at all. The public domain code is still there, still in the public domain, and anyone can still do anything they want with it. The GPL does not mean free, it means forced to accept a license which restricts what you can and cannot do with the source.
Don't let the GNU/Propaganda fool you, free means given away without restriction, to anyone, for anything, for ever, period. Not "I'll give you the source, but you have to give anyone else any source you make based on it.". If that's the license you want for your software then that's great, go ahead and use it, I have a GPL project on sourceforge myself. But don't try to call it free.
He didn't found the free software community, the gnu software community maybe, but free software and people interested in writing and using it have been around since before RMS. Its unfair to kidnap the term "free" and distort it to mean "GPL" when the english language defines free as a lack of restriction. Public domain is free, GPL is GPL.