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IBM's Linux Upgrade Roadmap

petrus4 writes "IBM have put together a nine-part series on upgrading from various incarnations of Windows (NT in particular) to Linux. Although it's mainly aimed at corporate customers, it's a good read, and could help the Linux advocacy effort in general."

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  1. IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Am I the only one who gets a tingly feeling deep inside when I read about IBM and linux? It just feels so nice to be backed by a mountain of hard cold cash ^_^

    1. Re:IBM by QuasiCoLtd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice troll, but IBM has many Open Source Developers on the payroll. IBM isn't just along for the free ride, they're actually chipping in gas money.

  2. How to buy a IBM Thinkpad with Linux? by jopet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do they answer how to buy IBM computers without being forced to also buy a preinstalled Windows? Do they answer why they still "recommend Windows XP Professional" for their laptops? Do they answer where to get Linux support for their hardware - including wlan, power management etc.?

    1. Re:How to buy a IBM Thinkpad with Linux? by TwinkieStix · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that the majority of the intended audience of this paper is asking those questions. I believe that IBM's support for desktop Linux is minimal while their server support is extremely heavy. They will give support to customers who purchase an IBM Linux server and need to get a RAID card working in it.

      But their opinion, and the opinion of most non-slashdoters, is that Linux isn't ready for the desktop now for home and many coporate users.

      This isn't a flamebait. It's just that the article isn't supposed to answer these questions. XP professional IS what they recommend and for a good reason. Support for wlan isn't IBMs problem. Servers don't need to have a wireless network connection. If you want support for Linux Hardware from IBM, go here.

  3. Superb by AbstracTus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Information like this has been needed for a long time, there are plenty of HowTo's and Man pages around, but not much information to help with the actual transfer from Windows to Linux. Good job IBM.

  4. IBM Solution to Linux in 3 Easy Steps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Buy any machine equipped with an IBM Travelstar or Deskstar Hard drive.
    2. Install Windows OS and any related applications
    3. After the IBM drive crashes and destroys your data (6 to 8 mos), you can install Linux without worrying about prior data.

  5. Nice to be backed by IBM ... by squashed · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Am I the only one who gets a tingly feeling deep inside when I read about IBM and linux? It just feels so nice to be backed by a mountain of hard cold cash.

    I get that same warm, tingly feeling inside as did the members of Team OS/2 in the old days.

    1. Re:Nice to be backed by IBM ... by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was a die-hard 0S/2'er....

      The optimist in me is hoping that IBM will stick to its guns this time.

      There is more support now, and if you remember, it was difficult to get systems with OS/2 preloaded on them.

      Linux has more marketshare, i think, and definetly more mindshare.

      I think Linux will clear the hurdle....

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    2. Re:Nice to be backed by IBM ... by Spoing · · Score: 5, Interesting
      1. I was a die-hard 0S/2'er....

      As was I -- scoffing, I tried it for a competitive analysis that marketing wanted and was hooked within 2 months. It was damn nice for the time, and some features in the WPS would be nice in KDE and/or Gnome if not at the window manager and -- better -- file system level.

      1. The optimist in me is hoping that IBM will stick to its guns this time.

      That's the beauty of it. It won't matter in the long run if they do or don't!

      1. There is more support now, and if you remember, it was difficult to get systems with OS/2 preloaded on them.

      Nearly impossible. Dell, Gateway, Compaq, and even IBM never preloaded OS/2. Now, we're getting preloads...and even companies like HP and IBM yelling that they are the biggest Linux supporter. Dell brags too...though I'd like them all to shut up and get the goods out there.

      1. Linux has more marketshare, i think, and definetly more mindshare.

      Linux isn't being laughed at. OS/2 was only taken seriously at the begining, and quickly became the ugly step child (though technically it was quite nice though prone to crash/lock the UI).

      1. I think Linux will clear the hurdle....

      I'm starting to see job listings specifically asking for Linux experience crop up in various places. My OS/2 experience never seemed to be important to anyone.

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    3. Re:Nice to be backed by IBM ... by AstroDrabb · · Score: 5, Informative

      What? That is sooo far from the truth. IBM's core business is based on services. In fact they are a bigger company (by revenue) then MS. In the end, IBM's global services will help you with whatever tasks you want. They will help you with MS solutions, Linux solutions and Unix solutions. IBM is in a great position, because no matter what, they can deliver their services on any platform. I think IBM is pushing Linux because they don't want to have to bend over for MS. I think most of the big companies are starting to get tired of bending over for MS with maybe the exception of Dell. To be able to truly leverage the MS Windows platform, you need to make some "partnership" with MS to be able to get undocumented features, API's, document formats and protocols. And MS drops those "partnerships" at the drop of a hat. And not only that, if MS thinks your core business is a big money maker, that "partnership" is over and they will "embrace and extend" your business out of the market with their own competing product. Look at all the Anti-virus and personal firewall companies now. With MS putting their own AV and personal firewall out, over the next 2-5 years, those companies will need to look for some other way to make cash since the home market will no longer need their software. So much for all those "partnerships". With Linux, all these large companies start on a level playing field and can add on top of that their "special sauce" and services to differentiate their business and we would have some great competition which means great products and technology advancing at a much faster pace.

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  6. Re:Good to See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    First point on roadmap.

    Change businessmodel from:
    1: Do stuff.
    2: sell it.
    3: Profit!

    To:
    1: Do stuff.
    2: Give it away for free.
    3: Hmmm.....

  7. Re:Suse vs. Blue Linux by tjwhaynes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So if IBM is now going to be using Suse, does this mean that the Blue Linux rumor is bogus?

    Speaking as a Linux user inside IBM, I always took the view that the Blue Linux rumour was bogus, or at least misleading. There is linux software flowing around the internals of IBM - plenty of it. And we do have various packages nicely wrapped up in RPMs that aren't available outside IBM (Lotus Notes 6.51 running on a standard WINE base springs immediately to mind). However, an internal distribution is a far cry from launching an external distro. That's not to say it will never happen. Just it doesn't look likely imminently.

    ... and yes, my sig DOES apply here. I'm not an IBM spokesman reading some approved script.

    Cheers,
    Toby Haynes

    --
    Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
  8. nt domains upgrade is easy. by lkcl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    almost every time someone mentions nt to linux data migration, i mention that if someone pays me money, i'll do the work.

    the migration tools for nt 4 style domains would take about 2 to 3 weeks to do: most of the work has already been done, it's a matter of documenting it, checking it and making it easier to use.

    the open source migration tools for nt 5 (aka w2k) style domains would take a bit longer: a few months, at most, though, as various efforts (e.g. heimdal) are already underway.

    the open source migration tools for exchange, now _that's_ a challenge, requiring about twelve to eighteen man-months of work to get somewhere.

    i know someone who has done most of the work already, in his spare time: it's proprietary but if an open source exchange project was to seriously take off, i know he'd consider releasing some of his code to 1) help out 2) make sure _his_ copyright notices are at the top of the files, because in open source just as in the proprietary world, the _first_ person to release is the one that tends to take off, not the best.

    ironically, just ONE company with more than one hundred employees that will be looking to pay microsoft's next set of exorbitant upgrade-because-everyone-else-has-and-oh-look-ever yone-we-send-documents-to-can't-read-them fees could instead pay me to do the development work on exchange and nt domains compatibility - and then NEVER HAVE TO PAY THEM AGAIN.

  9. We need more of this! by ErichTheWebGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have used things like this in the past from companies like RedHat abd Mandrake to convince people that Linux is not "only for nerds" and "too hard". Now that IBM has this, it is perceived as having come from a third party, as IBM still is not thought of as a "Linux Company". This will likely help in my fight to get Linux on my corporate desktops. Go IBM!

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  10. Re:Mmmm. Nine-Part-Series by Kneht · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let's see. As a former head of a department transitioning from NT to XP and as a current member of a much larger organization attempting the same transistion, I can assure you that NT to XP is no simple process.

    To start with, because the interface is so similar, plus "Hey it's just Windows!" comments from superiors means that few are taking the time to learn the intricate differences. (such as permissions and account handling)

    Then you get the broken programs.

    Then you get the boss who has [what he calls] critical data in an older version of Access that you must now move to [new] Access, which seems to be impossible in certain (read many) cases.

    Or, I can implement an IBM-driven Linux-based solution that would force superiors to treat it differently, plus I would have more control over whether or not to continue on the upgrade path to future versions. Microsoft doesn't give me that. To stay secure, even using their loose definition, means continually upgrading, breaking software, data, and perceptions all the while sending them more money.

    Oh, how I wanted to get out of that cycle at my last job. Now, I might be stuck implementing it, but at least I'm not responsible for the mess my superiors make trying to fall in line behind Microsoft.

    Kudos to IBM for making it reasonably easy to know what's in store for those trying to get away from Microsoft.

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    "No"
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  11. wrong business model by hak1du · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The current business model using Windows is:

    1. Do stuff
    2. Report plenty of bugs, RFEs to MS for free
    3. Pay annual licensing fees to MS
    3a. Hope that Microsoft won't screw you by making changes to their s/w that help their bottom line but hurt you
    4. Hope enough money is left over from your core business

    With OSS s/w, this becomes

    1. Do stuff
    2. Report plenty of bugs, RFEs to OSS project (occasionally fix/implement one) for free
    3. Make profit from your core business

    In both cases, you do free work for other people, but with OSS, all the free work is aggregated and you don't pay for it over and over again. With MS, you end up paying for the same piece of software and for the volunteer work of others and yourself not just once, but over and over again. Furthermore, with MS and other commercial s/w vendors, you constantly run the risk that they will screw you by discontinuing or changing products you depend on, and you have no recourse.

    The business case for OSS is easy to make: OSS greatly reduces risks and cost of ownership. OSS isn't without any costs, but it is cheaper on balance.

    Note that OSS is a business model and money saver for the actual end users, comapnies whose business is not the creation of the OSS itself, but something else. Founding a s/w company that creates OSS and makes money from it is, as you yourself observe, a long shot and only works rarely. And that's OK.

  12. Re:Slightly disingenuous by mrroach · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At Novell's Brainshare conference this week they demoed a new migration tool which saved all the user's documents and application settings, wiped the drive, installed SuSE, configured all the apps for the user (Outlook settings map to Evolution, IE bookmarks saved in Epiphany etc) all in the space of 5 minutes or so.

    At the moment it looks like a pretty custom job, but I can definitely see a generic tool being in the works.

    -Mark