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Google Updates Its Face

whereiseljefe writes "About 12:00 am Central Time, at least when I saw it, Google changed it's face. Before it was a simplistic search engine, with a minimal front page, and now has become even more so. Those pretty tabs we have become accustomed to are now gone, and in the search results, the "summary" section at the top is now a faded blue bar (see here with a search returning ads). And the ads are a little more low key. Nice to know they are cutting back on their interface rather than adding spastically like Yahoo." Other folks noted that they've added Froogle and Local Directory pages have now been given links on the front page. Which is good, since inclusion in the main page tends to mean ready for prime time.

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  1. Froogle is getting a lot better by MrRTFM · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When they first bought in the Beta it didn't look too impressive to me (not being in the US), but it works pretty well and has a hell of a lot more shops.

    Despite how much I hate advertising, when I actually *want* to see adverts about a product, it is hard to find.

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  2. Meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Slashdot looks EXACTLY the same as it did when it first started 6 years ago.

    The same godawful color schemes, ugly nexted tables, awful HTML code, etc.

    Maybe slashdot should take a cue from google and update themselves.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by TehHustler · · Score: 5, Funny

      And it doesnt display right first time in Firefox, i have to keep pummelling F5.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile... by sydb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you logged in rather than being an AC you could turn off all the colour schemes and graphics. My slashdot is quite similar in feel to google - minimal and lightweight.

      However, on the tables and HTML code side, you're quite right.

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    3. Re:Meanwhile... by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 4, Informative

      Turn on the "light" theme: no slashboxes, just black and white text. Then use Firefox with AdBlocker extension to block the ads.

    4. Re:Meanwhile... by Malc · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually this isn't funny, this a real problem. It's not related to a particular version of Firefox, just a corrupt (in some way) installation. I had the problem with Mozilla 1.4 - it just started happening after a few months. It was really annoying. I installed Firefox 0.8 and it was fine. TehHustler: uninstall, remove your profile, installation directory, etc, and then try reinstalling it.

    5. Re:Meanwhile... by Uggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's been done

      I don't know why it hasn't been implemented yet. I wonder if the /. crew is working on it.

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  3. Good! by bfg9000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's good to see that it's not just me. I thought it was time to reformat Windows again.

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    1. Re:Good! by Telex4 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I thought it was time to reformat Windows again.

      It's always a good time to reformat Windows.

  4. Very minimalist by winkydink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A great example of, "less is more". No, not pagers.

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  5. Re:About Face! by Dr+Tall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    except maybe that the name Google is becoming annoying/overused

    But look at the poll results: Google only got 3%. I don't think it's overused in a bad way; I think it's overused because you'd be foolish to use anything else!

  6. Re:About Face! by lamz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I think is the best feature of Google is that they cater to their end-user, not their financial backers.

    What I like best about Google is that they realize that taking care of their end-users is the best way to satisfy their financial backers.

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  7. New google fizzles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The new google lacks kaw-pow, pizazz! It doesn't reach out and grab you and scream in your face - read this X-TREME web page!

    Look, this is 2004, and "understated" is synonymous with "loser". If you want to put the mazuma in da bank, baby, you gotta POP, SIZZLE!

    And I know what I'm talking about - I'm a marketing exec in a Fortune 500.

  8. high key ads by Underholdning · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "And the ads are a little more low key" . Really? I find them more intrusive than before, because they look like the search result, and thusly my eyes tend to catch them more than before. And I'm pretty sure that's the idea.

    1. Re:high key ads by Plutor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure, they look like search results, but since they're in the same place as before, my eyes have been trained to totally ignore anything on the right side of the Google Results page. Even though they're not green (or whatever) anymore, I find it hard to believe that anyone who surfs the web more than 10 minutes a week would consider those to be "intrusive ads".

    2. Re:high key ads by Marvin_OScribbley · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you are feeling bored, do a Google search for things like "Make Money Fast" or something like that, and then repeatedly click on the ads to open in a new tab. Then when you get tired, close your browser. You'll never see the pages that load, but whoever paid to get listed on Google will be out another 25 cents or so... ;-)

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  9. I like it. by MrIrwin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There had been a lot of talk about Google perhaps becoming like other ad laden portals, but as ever Google have come up trumps.

    I particularly like the idea of seperating "Froogle", I hope in the long term this will bias commercial support away from the generic pages. When I want to know about Hawaii "per se" I am just not interest in tour operators and hotels!

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  10. Re:About Face! by Jay+Bucks · · Score: 5, Funny

    If their so smart, how come they forgot to use the all so critical flash intro page? Jason Argue about stuff

  11. Definition by Nomihn0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The (definition) feature next to your search query does something I've sought for a long time - it searches dictionary.com. The built in "Define:search query" never worked well for me, so this is a pleasent surprise.

    1. Re:Definition by JimDabell · · Score: 4, Informative

      The old Google used to do this too - the term was underlined and you could click on it when there was a matching entry in dictionary.com. Obviously it wasn't prominent enough, and so they explicitly noted the definition link in this new version.

  12. Re:Generally so, but not for /, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google isn't valid HTML either. And they still use an embedded style element rather than a highly-cachable external stylesheet, and still use crap like <body bgcolor=#ffffff...

  13. Google Web Alerts by manmanic · · Score: 5, Informative

    Google also announced their web alerts at the same time. Looks interesting, but not as feature complete as Google Alert which has been around for some time.

  14. Re:About Face! by rokzy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    exactly, there are so many retards in charge of businesses today that can't understand the simple concept that STEP 3. ???? IS NOT "PISSING OFF YOUR CUSTOMERS"

  15. Fatal Error by CaptainBaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, it still doesn't validate!

    1. Re:Fatal Error by tlianza · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's kind of funny... I guess it doesn't pay to write "proper" (X)HTML.

      I wonder if they skipped the doctype tag because it's relatively pointless for this level of basic HTML, and wasn't worth the bandwith demands to include it.

    2. Re:Fatal Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I guess it doesn't pay to write "proper" (X)HTML.

      It does, but I guess Google are in the very exclusive club of "big enough to warrant all major browsers ensuring that they work with that website".

      I wonder if they skipped the doctype tag because it's relatively pointless for this level of basic HTML

      The doctype declaration (it's not a tag) indicates that the document conforms to a certain specification. Google not complying with any known HTML specification, it's arguably the correct thing to do to leave it off. Leaving it off means that browsers go into "quirks mode", whereby they deviate from the HTML and CSS specifications in an attempt to work around author mistakes.

      and wasn't worth the bandwith demands to include it.

      If Google were worried about bandwidth, they'd get rid of cruft like bgcolor=#ffffff and move the CSS into an external stylesheet. Assuming they employ front-end coders that know what they are doing of course (just because they are clueful on the back-end, it doesn't mean they are clueful on the front-end).

    3. Re:Fatal Error by hooverbag · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Google were worried about bandwidth, they'd get rid of cruft like bgcolor=#ffffff and move the CSS into an external stylesheet.

      It may be that using the extra bandwidth is faster or more efficient than the extra http request for the external stylesheet.

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    4. Re:Fatal Error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It may be that using the extra bandwidth is faster or more efficient than the extra http request for the external stylesheet.

      That's extremely doubtful. In almost all cases, the stylesheet will not come from Google's servers. They are a popular website and the stylesheet rarely changes, so the chances of it being in somebody's browser cache are high, the chances of it being in their ISP's cache is high, the chance of it being in neither is extremely low.

  16. I don't like it by Trikenstein · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No change to functionality that I can see.

    All they did was change the layout.

    With the old layout I could navigate the page blindfolded.
    I had mouse movements down pat.
    The tabs being close to the first search result was handy.
    Now you have to navigate to the very top, center of the page.

    I've never seen a reason to change an interface, just to change it.

  17. It wasn't broken, why fix it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The new look may be simpler but the old one had familiarity going for it.

    Now that MS and Yahoo are picking up the pace and investing heavily against Google to outcompete it, is this really the time to change Google's look? Search functionality may be all that matters to a geek, but Google is mainstream now and has to worry about mainstream concerns, like "Branding". Google's old look was part of the Google "brand".

    I may come off like Chicken Little given that this is such a small thing to be concerned about, but sometimes in the face of heavy competition the smallest things can turn the tide. I've seen it happen.

  18. That has been around.. by Raven42rac · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has been around for a while. It was completely random for a while (for testing one would assume). I used to have a bookmark that would toggle the look back and forth, but I seem to have misplaced it.

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  19. I want my old google back by cdrudge · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I noticed the new interface just before this story was posted. I don't really like it. I much prefered the old "tabbed" interface. While the newer interface is minimalistic, it almost looks amaturish.

    For instance, Google groups search result pages looks like they are formatted for a 800x600 resolution screen. Viewing it at a higher resolution forces a large white space between the search listings and the ads. I would have much prefered for the results to take up this space, fitting more results on the page at a time. If the group name is long, then the "View Thread" becomes unnatural looking wrapped between two lines. (example)

    Maybe it's just new, but hopefully it'll grow on me.

  20. Re:About Face! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just for grins, compare to altavista. Altavista's UI is quite clean... looks like they've taken a cue from google.

  21. Mirror by CleverNickedName · · Score: 5, Funny

    In case of Slashdotting, here is the Google cache.

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    1. Re:Mirror by taped2thedesk · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Strangly enough, the google cache of google still has the old front page in it (as of 9:35am EST Monday). It's sort of cool to compare the two side by side.

  22. updated adsense as well by stonebeat.org · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you guys use Google's adsense, you might have noticed that have lot of new themes as well. I guess, to make the Ads blend in more with your webpages, and make them lowkey.

    P.S. Google Adsense is Ad banner engine, using which you can add Ads on your website and generate some ca$h

  23. Its about usability by duffbeer703 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with the tabbed Google interface was that too many clickable elements were in the same space. I frequently found myself clicking on something other than the "Groups" tag by mistake, for example.

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  24. Different versions of Google by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 5, Informative

    I find it interesting to see the slight variations of Google...geeky although it might seem - when I type http://www.google.com/ I am thrown to http://www.google.be/, so when I really want http://www.google.com/ I type http://www.google.com./ instead of using the "Go to Google.com" button (which sends me to the google.com page with a "Go to Google Belgium" button.

    The definitive address with the dot at the end introduces itself as Google English in the graphic, but still has a "Go to Google.com" button, whilst clearly being the genuine definitive http://www.google.com./...but this version doesn't have the link to Froogle... :)

    Phew - that's enough links to Google for one day!

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  25. Lynx by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's curious, it looks in Lynx almost the same as in Mozilla!

    Say what you want, I like it!

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  26. Google H4x0r by capncook · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Google interface is available in many languages, including H4x0r!

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  27. Re:About Face! by rhs98 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So true about the bytes but what about this:
    <script>
    <!--
    function sf(){document.f.q.focus();}
    function c(p,l,e){var f=document.f;if (f.action && document.getElementById) {var hf=document.getElementById("hf");if (hf) {var t = "<input type=hidden name=tab value="+l+">";hf.innerHTML=t;}f.action = 'http://'+p;e.cancelBubble=true;f.submit();return false;}return true;}
    // -->
    should be
    <script>
    <!--
    function sf(){document.f.q.focus();}
    function c(p,l,e){var f=document.f;if(f.action&& document.getElementById){var hf=document.getElementById("hf");if(hf){var t="<input type=hidden name=tab value="+l+">";hf.innerHTML=t;}f.action='http://'+p ;e.cancelBubble=true;f.submit();return false;}return true;}
    // -->
    a saving of 10bytes...(I think)
  28. Uh, no... by alphapartic1e · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I, for one, don't like the new Google interface.
    <rant>

    The front page will take a bit getting used to (now w/o the tabs) (see: Google cache of Google). OK, so it's really not that big a deal, we'll get used to the new version where the "tab" links are more squished together (note to Google: there's all that whitespace between the links waiting to be liberated!).

    The real kicker is the new search results pages. Instead of utilizing most of the page as before for the actual results, and using B/W text for explanations, now they are highlighted by this ugly MSN/Yahoo-like pale-blue/green combo, which, (*GASP*) looks oh-so-similar to the text ads that are taking almost 1/3 of the page on the right. (see example: new search page.)

    </rant>
    Well, I guess I'm not in the position to criticize a free, powerful service. But I guess if they are going to keep it free, they might as well try to keep the user experience as nice as possible. I'll still be using Google just as much as before, but I guess I'll be nostalgically longing for the good ol' days^H^H^H^H, uh, I mean 6 hours ago.

    - Alpha out.

  29. Re:Generally so, but not for /, by djbrums · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Google isn't valid HTML either. And they still use an embedded style element rather than a highly-cachable external stylesheet, and still use crap like

    HTML is broken, not google.

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  30. Fake hits by MagerValp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A new design is nice and all, but what are they doing to combat the link networks that artificially inflate their own pagerank scores? For some searches you just get pages and pages of hits from "directory" sites that you've never heard of (that no one in their right mind would ever be interested in using) serving you banners and popups.

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  31. Re:Slashdotted... by Pentagram · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Well I could point you to the Google cache, but it has a copy of the old page instead, and by the time I post this about a thousand karma whores will have mentioned it anyway.

    More interesting is the wayback machine's caches of Google:
    • 1998 Google prototype
    • 1999 argh my eyes!
    • 2000 offset logo
    • 2000 language search Google
    • 2001 minimalist
    • 2002 modern (until today) Google
  32. Re:About Face! by Kanon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Business today seems to be all about locking in your customers so even if you piss them off they can't go anywhere else.

    Google lock in their users by providing a good service. Bunch of hippies :)

  33. Re:About Face! by Chordonblue · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's just it, Google manages to satisfy everyone they deal with:

    - People who use the searching tools for free
    - Advertisers who want targets ads
    - Affiliates that carry the ads

    It's a totally amazing business model that no one else has quite gotten right. I don't regret a dime we have spent with Google and their services as we have seen it returned to us 100-fold.

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  34. Re:About Face! by ViolentGreen · · Score: 5, Funny

    And why didn't they use black scroll bars? I just love those things...

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  35. Re:Before-After comparison somewhere?? by toesate · · Score: 5, Informative
    Front page comparison,

    Before link,
    After link.

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  36. Re:About Face! by mike2R · · Score: 5, Informative

    One thing I like about Google is, while they put their searchers first, they also maintain very good relations with advertisers and site owners in general.

    See this thread at WebMasterWorld - the Google rep is called GoogleGuy.

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  37. Good step forward by Hard_Code · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is a good step forward but still does not go far enough. We must erase this "user interface" tyranny. First of all - the title - i mean, gosh, it says "Google" in my browser title bar, in clear letters. Such gratuitous self-advertising is unnecessary and garish if you ask me. Please leave the title bar alone. Also, why is there so much busy text on the page. I'm a busy man, I can't be bothered to read all that. I count over 25 words on the front page alone! That adds up to countless more letters. And that is not even counting source code. I'm bewildered and confused. Also, they decieve the user by providing, two, TWO COUNT THEM, buttons to search. One says redundantly "Google Search" the other poses the existential statement "I'm Feeling Lucky". Now I appreciate free psychological therapy like the next person, but PLEASE Google, leave that up to the experts on daytime shows like Dr. Phil. Now I am left pondering whether I really feel lucky or not, or whether I only am doubting my luck because I am being presented with a challenge towards it, whether this is all my parent's fault, and ultimately feeling that I need not search the web, but rather within myself to find out who I truly am.

    But Google not only presents these "submission" buttons, but a range of categories to manifest my self doubt. Images: Is there something wrong with my own self image? Groups: Am I accepted as a member of a group. News: Does anything interesting or newsworthey ever happen in my life? Froogle: Am I managing my finances appropriately, or will I squander my fate through illiteracy or bad spelling? More>>: Is there something missing in my hollow pointless life...do I need something more to fill the void?

    And as a last kick in the teeth, Google must remind me at the bottom that the page is copyrighted, and that it is "Searching 4,285,199,774 web pages", as if to say "you are not good enough to receive this page".

    So, please stop the user interface terrorism Google!

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  38. Re:About Face! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google is going to reset soon, they are reaching the limit of an unsigned 32 bit integer, currently at: 4,285,199,774 of (4,294,967,296 - 1).

    Good bye google =(

  39. Anyone else notice the tracking? by pen · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Google is now tracking your clicks with a javascript event that loads a hidden image. Take a look. At the top of the page, we have this function:

    function clk(n,el) {if(document.images){(new Image()).src=/url?sa=T&start=+n+&url=+escape(el.hr ef);}return true;}
    Then, each results link looks like this:
    <a href=http://digdug.cx/ onmousedown=return clk(1,this)>
    The strange thing is this: When I tried the same page at work, it didn't have the tracking script. But when I VNCed home and tried it again -- it still did.

    I saved a copy of the page at the following URL: http://www.phrise.com/google.html (I added <base href=http://www.google.com/> at the top.)

    If you're seeing the same thing, please reply...

  40. Re:About Face! by pldms · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Altavisa used to be pretty clean, eg this 1998 version. I've often suspected that Google's initial popularity was due to Altavista's desire to be a 'portal' (remember them?) and the subsequent cruft that invaded their front page. They even tried to backtrack with Raging (and isn't that minimal now?) but I suspect people found Google was also a better search engine, rather than simply cleaner, and never went back.

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  41. Re:About Face! by andy+landy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google getting overused?

    What I find most ironic is that this is one of the rare occasions when I knew before the article appeared on Slashdot!

    In fact, that would suggest that Google is one of the few sites that I visit more often that Slashdot!

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  42. Revolution by fleener · · Score: 4, Interesting
    > just can't say anything bad about Google

    I can. Many people look at Google as an authoritative source. Hence, the gripes you hear about businesses who are made or broken by their Google search result rankings. Now we have Froogle. The danger is worsened even more if people view Froogle as authoritative. Last week I was searching for non-U.S. made baby strollers. I found strollers using normal Google that I couldn't find in Froogle. The only thing I trust Froogle for is to view quick thumbnails of products. For most of my product searches I must rely on complex queries to bypass the senseless froth I see rising to Google's surface more and more these days.

    My one wish for Google is for it to face stiff competition. I look forward to anyone who can topple Google with a better engine.

  43. Re:Puhhh by zulux · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank God - not another facial gone wrong.

    You know you've been at the pr0n too much when your think what I was just thinkings.

    The worst was when my fiance went to the spa, came back, ans said "I had a great facial. My face smells great!".

    Did a double-take on that one...

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  44. Re:About Face! by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 5, Funny


    Maybe Google is using 33-bit integers? Ever think of that, huh?

  45. Re:Not new! by pen · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I agree. I can see where this could be used for many non-evil purposes, such as:
    • Which links people find the most interesting for a particular keyword. (User's first click).
    • Which search results are "deceptive". (User clicks one search result, then another within a few seconds.) This could be very useful for additional spam detection. They could compare the stats with those for the pages that were reported as spam.
    • The first most useful match. (User's last click.)
    I'm only wearing half a tinfoil hat, but I really wanted to bring everyone's attention to this new feature and see who is/isn't seeing it. I got to this discussion late and was really surprised that noone had mentioned it yet.

    P.S. I am now seeing at work when I look with IE but not with Opera.

  46. They are even cleaner! by yudan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Look at Altavista now by yourself, you'll see how clean it is NOW. AltaVista means "a view from above". It is developed by Digital Equipment Corporation in 1995 in its Palo Alto research labs. (This is the reason you see DEC ads in its 1998 version) However, it was bought by Overture several years ago, which in turn was bought by Yahoo. Its database has been merged with that of AlltheWeb.

  47. Google v. Yahoo by Le+Marteau · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google can change the most minute detail of their page, and the world notices, because their page is so minimal. Yahoo, on the other hand, with their excessivly cluttered home page, could put the goatse guy on their page and half the visitors wouldn't even notice.

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  48. Slashdotting the zeitgeist? by srcosmo · · Score: 4, Funny
    When playstation shows up as the #1 search next month, everyone at the Google Zeitgeist will be confused.

    But not me.

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