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SBC Park Plans A Giant 802.11 Hotspot

Numeric writes "Baseball games won't be as boring at SBC Park, home of the San Fransico Giants, because they are offering "one of the largest hotspots", according to this Yahoo article. SBC Communications provides DSL and wireless connectivity to business and consumers. I wonder if Minute Maid Park will offer free orange juice or even better Citizen Ball Park could offer free money! Its nice to see the staduim sponsor offering more than just the name sake of their business." LostCluster writes "The San Jose Business Journal adds the details that the WiFi access will be called SBC's Freedom Link, and and be based on 121 access points spread across the park. Access will be free during the 2004 season, but will cost $7.95 per day or $19.95 per month starting next year."

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  1. Just another excuse by millahtime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will be just another excuse to raise the price of hot dogs and beer.

    Is this something I would really want to use. Who would surf the net while watching a game. Why go to a game then.

    1. Re:Just another excuse by dr_dank · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Who would surf the net while watching a game.

      Instant access to stats?

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    2. Re:Just another excuse by mgs1000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You also won't have to buy a program if you can't match all of the player's names to their numbers.

    3. Re:Just another excuse by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Nah, that's just numbers about the current game. "Stats" are things like "earned run average", batting averages for (season/lifetime/since became sober), number of team wins under artificial light at home stadium vs. wins on away games when the pitcher forgot his lucky rabbit's foot, etc. You see, baseball has fairly long stretches where you are waiting for something to happen, so fans have to have something to keep them occupied. That's where stats come in.

      I know, I was being a wise ass. For the record I am a die hard baseball fan but I don't subscribe to the stats-are-all-knowing-and-all-powerful theory of baseball play/management. Call me an old timer :)

      Also for the record if they did something like this at Shea stadium I might bring my WiFi enabled PDA with me. No way in hell am I going to bring my $3,600 baby into the stadium to have the drunk guy three rows over spill beer on. I wouldn't pay for it though. Is anyone besides season ticket holders going to even remotely consider paying for access to this?

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    4. Re:Just another excuse by nearlygod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I frequently use my cell phone to look up stats and other information when at a ball game. It is especially handy when someone points out that the score of the division rival's game just went from 2-2 to 8-2. I can find out what happened pretty quickly.

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    5. Re:Just another excuse by nearlygod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To me, there is a big difference betwenn 6 points in a football game and 6 runs in a baseball game. In the later, someone likely scored a touchdown, however 6 runs is a big inning and I'd like to see what pitcher got shelled, did someone hit a grand slam, where there a couple of homers, or was it just a steady dose of singles and doubles. In this situation, I would like to find out this info and luckily I can via my cell phone.

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  2. blah... by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe someday people will go to the ballgame to watch the game, not to check on their stocks, surf for porn, view the nannycam, or whatever else they think they need a WiFi network for.

    1. Re:blah... by halosfan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I do go to ballgames to watch them. However, a ballgame takes 4+ hours off my evening, and having the ability to check e-mail once in that timeframe is sometimes invaluable. People use cell phones in the ballpark, and nobody complains...how is e-mail different?..

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    2. Re:blah... by mobiux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because you don't need a 5 lbs cellphone, and they aren't going to start charging you $7.95 a game to use a phone in the game.

      That said, why not just check your email on your cell phone?

    3. Re:blah... by Big_Al_B · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean to tell me that you can't go four hours off-leash once in awhile without getting into trouble? That's actually sorta sad. What kind of ADHD world do you live in where you can't just go sit in a damn ballpark and watch the world spin for an evening? It's called a "pastime" for God's sake. I have a laptop (powerbook TYVM) and email and a cellphone and wife and a job and a mortgage and a BMW. But I can turn them all off (my wife will vouch for this) for an occasional ballgame.

    4. Re:blah... by cdrudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Becasuse life is short enought that you shouldn't have to check your e-mail every 4 hours. Enjoy the game. It's called entertainment. If it was work, you wouldn't pay $20 for the opportunity. If it was something critical, they would have called you instead of sending your e-mail.

  3. Get your Free Stuff Here by Prince+Vegeta+SSJ4 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    in this day and age, The Bank would offer A Free Credit Card (1st three months 24% interest rate thereafter).

    Minute Maid: Free Juice with every $4 cup

    FedEx Field: Free Truck delivery, when you pay the airfare for your package.

    Either that, or they raise the ticket prices by a % equivalent to what they would 'loose' on giving away the free stuff. NOTHING IS FREE

  4. Multitasking! by spangineer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Multitasking is the new favorite activity of millions of people (talking on the celly while eating a hamburger while driving... a manual transmission car), so since baseball has so much downtime, this is perfect! Now we'll all be able to write computer programs and check email and read slashdot while waiting for the pitcher to read the signal from the catcher. Well, maybe some people will - I'll be stuck over here on the east coast. Oh well.

  5. Good plan.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Pay wireless fee in cash

    share thousands of MP3s

    Let the RIAA take on SBC Park

  6. those interested in online betting will like it by Hekatchu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I guess that might be good to those interested in online betting. Since with the instant availability of statistics and easy access to the betting site they might develope more "who catches the next ball" type of bets.

  7. Hard to surf on a laptop by cove209 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hard to surf on a laptop in bright sun, wonder if they will also rent you an umbrella? Also wonder if security will let a laptop in.

  8. Re:Great by stubear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know you're being a wise ass, or perhaps not and you simply don't understand baseball. Whatever, the sport is clearly not for you. However, for those of us who happen to love baseball this is an interesting idea. It would be nice to look up stats and information during a game about the players on the field. What's Pedro's ERA right now, not after the last game? How well does he pitch against right-handed batters vs. left handed hitters?

    Baseball is statistics, plain and simple. Being able to grab these numbers on the spot right to your PDA would be neat. Currently I rely on a small radio but I'm only given the stats Jerry Remy and Sean McDonough want to tell me, not the ones I might be more interested in. Maybe Fenway will get something like this soon but I'm not holding my breath.

  9. $20/month!? by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it is nice that it is free this year, I have a hard time seeing a lot of people willing to pay $8/day or $20/month next season to have wireless access at only one location; especially a baseball stadium.

    Maybe I'm just short sighted or unable to comprehend the demographic they expect, but I don't see a big market for this once che charges kick in.

    -Pete

    1. Re:$20/month!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Considering this'll mostly be used to lookup live stats etc, that's actually a good deal for a die-hard fan or a family out for a day. For comparison, die-hard Nascar fans will rent a scanner for $40/race to listen in on radio communications. So it's easy to see a big baseball fan pay $20/month on top of the season ticket in order to get immediate access to stats (which are a big part of the game watching).

      For families too, if you have kids you know how much they get worked up over something based on peer pressure. Your son's schoolmate tells him excitedly how they looked up stats when they went to see the game, and guess what, when you go to see the game your son will be begging to get the wireless access too. And I'm sure many others will get the access at least once just for the novelty factor: 4 guys go to watch the game, they buy a single-game access for $2 each, next to nothing.

      Overall, $20/month is nothing, compared to what you pay for (what they call) beer and food in those stadiums.

  10. RTFSummary by sczimme · · Score: 4, Insightful


    You didn't even have to read the article for this one: the wireless access will be a separate charge next year. This year it will be positioned as a loss leader: get people using/hooked on the product for free, then start charging (also called the drug dealer's sales model).

    And so what if you don't want to use it? Don't use it - there, that was easy. It's possible someone will. I don't want to drive a dump truck around but I understand there are people with different needs that might be able to use a dump truck. You != everyone.

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  11. Security? by TheBurrito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Airlines already treat every laptop coming through the gates like it's packed with C4. Aside from the potentially real risk of someone disguising a bomb in a laptop, the headache of searching hundreds of laptops at the gates is enough to tank this idea.

  12. 802.11 Security Issues by mrs+clear+plastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have two issues here; both having to do with security.

    The first is how many of the folks using this will relize that there may be those running air-snort, or whatever the heck it's called, in the park? If I remember, the WEP is easy to crack (may not be real time cracking, but a few hours later on a top end machine back at home after airsnort records a ballpark full of packets on a 20gb drive).

    A SBC size stadium full of airsnorted IP packet traffic may have some interesting gold nuggets
    (business deals, insider information, credit card numbers, etc) especialy during a business day or evening.

    The second is how do they intend to enforce payment? Again, if you have airsnort or airpeek or whatever, can't you find out what the SSID is and then get on?

    Even if it has to do some sort of authentication
    based on the MAC address before it hands out dhcp, can't someone wait until the guy in the bleacher
    next to them is through/goes to the bathroom/goes to the concession stand/takes a nap; then does a man-in-the-middle (assuming both the MAC and the
    allready-dhcp'd-ip) and get on? Perhaps, now that they are using someone else's identity; go ahead and PTP a bunch of people's music; or surf kiddie porn; or whatever?

    Personally, when I go to events like this, I go totaly empty handed. No laptop, no cellular, no bags, nothing.

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