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New Zaurus Linux PDA Available In the U.S.

pdawerks writes "The Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L handheld, which runs Linux in the Trolltech's Qtopia environment, has finally made it to the U.S. at a pricepoint of $699, according to a PDALive.com article. It has a 4-inch 480 x 640 CG Silicon reflective screen that is much larger than the one in the 5x00 models, and the screen supports rotation on the fly (portrait and landscape modes). Sharp has also incorporated a sliding thumb keyboard into this model."

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  1. Flip that... by CrypticSpawn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is a price of a cheap laptop.

    1. Re:Flip that... by starling · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is a price of a cheap laptop.

      And a laptop is expensive compared to a cheap desktop. Do you see a pattern here?

      Miniaturisation costs, and in this case it's worth it. The key thing about the Zaurus (I have an SL5000) is that having a keyboard makes it more like a tiny laptop than a PDA.

      Most important of all, it's great for playing nethack on the bus :p

  2. must be a good PDA by victorvodka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    considering that none of that $699 pays for an OS

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    1. Re:must be a good PDA by XorNand · · Score: 3, Insightful
      considering that none of that $699 pays for an OS
      A licensing fee may not have been paid, but I think I can safely say that silicon doesn't spontaniously sprout OSS. Someone was paid to intergrate the OS into this device. Odds are that cost was passed onto the end-user. Additionally, I'd like to clarify another point: free != good.
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  3. Keyboard by AnonymousCowheart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Sharp has also incorporated a sliding thumb keyboard into this model."

    Didnt all the 5x00 series have the same type of keyboard?

  4. Re:SWEET! by boisepunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems lots of companies are jumping on the Linxu PDA wagon these days (Powerplay V, Softfield VR3, Zaurus, etc). This is great for those of use that use Linux, but the the main problem I see with all of these devices is that they only Sync with Windows out of the box.

    Empower Tech, Softfield, Sharp, and now Royal should all be providing software to Sync with Linux (as well as Windows for the Other 95% of the population).

    Why is this this so important? Well what has annoyed me the most about linux PDAs is that all the dev tools are in Linux, then you have to transfer your apps over to a Windows Partition to use there Windows transfer software load it (or use Wine).

    No Linux PDA will be successful until it Syncs (and Syncs well) with Linux. Heck, some Palm PDAs are easily to sync to with Linux then the current Linux PDA offerings.

    The market already has successful PDA platforms that Sync with Windows (Palm, Pocket PC, Psion). Why not finally make one that Syncs with Linux out of the box?

    Somehow I doubt Royal will step up to the plate in this regard.

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  5. 699? i can get a laptop for this by spacepimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    im trying to decide what the real advantage of a pda that costs 700 dollars is? portability aside where it the payoff? oqo had an intersting idea in full pc power in a sub laptop size but that has seemingly become vaporware.. what is the true advantage to this device other than it being (linux)?

    1. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, let's see, 400 mhz, xscale processor. Not sure off hand how that measures in bogomips, but I am reasonably sure someone will chime in with it's rating, and someone else will chime in with how useless it is as a measure of a processor.

      Touch screen. Not absolutely sure, but don't recall any laptops with that, much less at a $700 price. Tablets seem to still be running in the $1600 range, so I suppose you could pay double this for a larger screen, etc.

      Instant on, no waiting for the hard drive to power up, spin up, then transfer a memory image to memory, calculate adjustments to date and time, etc.

      Fits in your pocket, pretty much any text mode program is a re-compile away, if it was compiled to begin with. You may need to install a python library or two, but you would probably have to do that for your laptop as well.

      Acceptable battery life. The only thing that comes close laptop wise to either of my 5500s is my iBook, and even that I generally leave plugged in. Your milage may vary.

      Works well as simply a PDA. I like mine as an alternate MP3 player (256Meg of a 512Meg cf card filled with music is a reasonable amount of music.) And it still fits in your pocket.

      I happen to think IQNotes is one of the better quick jot applications for keeping track of things. Sketch, write, grab an e-mail address, whatever. Great for those shopping lists that you want to re-use, or those lists of books to consider picking up next time you are at the library. So far as I know it's only available on the Zauraus so far. (pretty sure it will be ported, or copied to other platforms in time.)

      But then I'm probably biased. I can't claim it is worth all of $699, in that I only own earlier models, and haven't played with this one.

      -Rusty

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    2. Re:699? i can get a laptop for this by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful
      portability aside where it the payoff?
      "speed and handling aside, I don't see what's so great about a Porche." "Beauty and and acting aside, what's so great about Liv Tyler?" "Freedom and power aside, what's the big deal about Linux?"

      It's a PDA, Dude. I don't think any of 'em are worth a hill of beans without the portability.

      TW
  6. nice, but i'd really like by whovian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to see 802.11g and USB 2.0 standard jack. Or do those suck too much power?

    I'm surprised that the Sharp web site doesn't list this product yet. But this page spells out a few more specs.

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  7. The Zaurus is not a pda by secondsun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My Zaurus is not a PDA but a PDT (Person Digital Tool), and anyone who says otherwise is getting a foot in their arse.

    A PDA is a glorified address book that plays music and sells for 300$. My Zaurus (SL-5500) costs less than 200, runs a mobile X-11 server, allows for quick coding (802.11b CF card + ssh) when I am off campus and can't log into something heavy, plays movies, serves webpages, and runs Linux. The Zaurus is very hackable and has a high fun value attached to it. $699 is alot to spend for it, but in 6 months you can ebay one for about 300 which would be more inline.

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  8. Re:Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    With built-in java, linux (command line and all), all scripting languages (Ruby, Perl, Python, etc), an awesome screen, handwriting recognition, sound input/output, infrared (I think), built-in wireless, this is a great platform for vertical applications.

    Think of the specialized stuff you could do with this .. wireless audit tool.. voice navigation system .. inventory.. roaming sysadmin tool (like a laptop that fits in your pocket).

    I think that's what they are pitching toward. IBM has some tools that run on it as well.

  9. Re:Cool widget, but WTF would buy it? by major.morgan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why...

    $50 premium over the top of the line iPaq (and only because it is brand-new), similar specs on mainboard, much better screen, flexibility of a REAL OS with a mulitude of opensource apps.

    Bad Ass PDA = $699
    Open Source Flexibility = Priceless

  10. Re:Demand by bogie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I dunno, what's more useful? A PDA/micro-notebook you can use to manage your entire business/life,play games, surf the web, use email, run X apps, listen to music etc for $699 or an Ipod that you listen to music on but can cost $500? Somehow everyone here seems to think its worth it for a pleasure item like an Ipod why isn't it useful for something you can do so much more with?

    Like Apple users are always telling me, if you have to question the value of something based on price you weren't part of the target market to begin with.

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  11. Re:SWEET! by $ASANY · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Sync" is just a windows-oriented term for not supporting rsync, ssh, sftp and a host of other unix/linux utilities that perform the function of these hamstrung "sync" utilities. I have a 5600 and the windows desktop "sync" blows.

    Now that I have my zaurus up with ssh and ftp, I can drop in all sorts of linux utilities and literally pull the whole thing (as opposed to "most" of it with the windows backup utility) down to my SuSE box, change what I want and either ftp or rsync back. Or at least that's what I'm hoping to make happen once I get networking to stop horking up so consistently.

    I wish they'd include more out-of-the-box support for linux, but it's not that big a deal. And with four replacement OS's for this, if you don't like what you get at first you can flash the rom with any of the alternatives.

    I would rather be able to sftp and ssh into the zaurus and use CLI utilities than deal with some KDE GUI app that supposedly does file transfer. Give me those, and there's nothing I can't make happen.

    Now can anyone just clue me in about getting cardservices to allow an Netgear MA701 CF card to connect to a network? Dang thing won't associate with an AP no matter what I do! I'm about ready to flash it with Gentoo or OZ or something!

  12. Re:SWEET! by CountBrass · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No! "Synch'" is a term for not having to piss around with cli tools but instead I can just plug in my pda and it just synchs. That's how it should work.

    The presence of hacking tools is just a bonus: not a substitute for synch'-ing.

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  13. Re:My kinda testing! by dtperik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My kid spilled a full glass of water over my Zaurus 5500. I picked it up and watched water run out of the earphone jack and CF ports. Needless to say I was not exactly happy with my kid. Well, immediately took the battery out, SD card, wireless CF card (which was in there at the time), took the thing apart, dried up what I could, and let it dry for a day. Put it all back together and boom, it's run fine with no problems. I like a piece of electronics that can take that kind of abuse.

    P.S. My kid lived through it.