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Seeing-Eye Computer Guides Blind

sushant_bhatia writes "Wired News has a story about seeing-eye computer guides for the blind. This is an interesting piece on efforts at Arizona State University and Wright State University to provide features for individuals who are blind. A very interesting project is called the iCare Reader, which allows any individual who is blind to read a normal library book through this product, which 'uses optical character-recognition software along with other software that compensates for different lighting conditions and orientations of the text.' Further details on this can be found at The Center for Cognitive Ubiquitous Computing (Cubic)."

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  1. ATM's by slimsam1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe now we can stop paying for braille buttons at drive-through ATM's.


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    1. Re:ATM's by prichardson · · Score: 5, Informative

      Maybe now we can stop paying for braille buttons at drive-through ATM's.

      Yes, I know it was a joke.

      There's actually a really good explanation for this. It actually keeps costs down to have braille on the drive-though ATMs. If braille is on every ATM the only difference between a drive-through ATM and an ATM that you can walk to is where it's located. Since only one model is needed to do everything, costs go down. It really is that simple.

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    2. Re:ATM's by zakezuke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's actually a really good explanation for this. It actually keeps costs down to have braille on the drive-though ATMs. If braille is on every ATM the only difference between a drive-through ATM and an ATM that you can walk to is where it's located. Since only one model is needed to do everything, costs go down. It really is that simple.

      Two things

      1) Pedestrians are not allowed to use the drive through cash machine, blind or otherwise, for safty reasons. If you were blind would you want to wander where the cars go? Know of any fast food places that take orders for fast food without a car? Would your drive up teller do business with a pedestrian?

      2) I've noticed that while they have put brail on drive up cash machines... none of the ones *I* know about have any sorta voice ability. As in a blind man can use one, know where the buttons are, but isn't going to know the first menu is 3rd button for english, 5th for spanish. Let alone the menu after you hit withdraw is asking for the hot buttons for the ammount of cash, or the last right one for other ammount, is this correct, do you want a rescript.

      I have walked a few blind people through the process, well until the bank manager yelled at us for being pedestrians in the drive through lane. Each of the people I helped decided just to use the debit at the local supermarket. Far less dangerious.

      I'm all for brail being standard on these machines. I'm all for rectroactivly putting brail stickers on the machines. However expeding blind people to just use the drive through lane is a touch silly!

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    3. Re:ATM's by batura · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The other thing is really obvious... Just becuase it is a drive up ATM, it doesn't mean that the driver is the one using the ATM. I've had my friend drive to my bank while I was in the back seat and went ahead and used the drive through ATM from there.

      A blind person could do the same if someone drove them there. It allows them to use the machine without assistance.

    4. Re:ATM's by zcat_NZ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Verne has the same problem; he complained about the high 'teller' charges, and the bank told him that he should use the ATM machine. "they have braile on the buttons".

      Well, there's a couple of problems with that. Not all (relatively few, apparently!) blind people know braile for a start. Verne doesn't.

      And the ATM machine doesn't provide any feedback.
      They don't speak, and when they beep it's only to draw attention to something on the screen.

      There's no indication that the machine accepted the pin number, got the right account, declined a transaction due to insufficient funds, or anything. Need your account balance? forget it!

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  2. Photography and copyright by TACD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a great idea, but I can see issues arising when this is used in an environment which stipulates 'no photography' or in any circumstance where photography would be discouraged. People trust dogs to be unable to reproduce images or sounds they've experienced after the fact, I doubt that a machine would ever be granted this same trust.

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    1. Re:Photography and copyright by Katharine · · Score: 2, Informative

      If it's "no photography" because of concerns about copyright (which is rarely the reason), the device might fall under the exception found at Section 121 of the Copyright Act, Limitations on exclusive rights: reproduction for blind or other people with disabilities. 17 USC 121

  3. Wrong, imprecise blurb by gmhowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    which allows any individual who is blind to read a normal library book through this product,

    This is wrong for two reasons. First, this only helps blind people who can hear. Yes, that's most of them, but not 'any' individual.

    Second, you are wrong that this allows a blind person to read a book. This allows a book to be read to a blind person. These are two different situations. Some Braille advocacy groups have participated in and helped publish studies showing that books on tape are processed differently that literature that is read. Those who read have better comprehension and retention of both the text, and provide better analysis of the subtext.

    Being read to is not a substitute for being able to read. Teach a man to fish and all of that. Nifty technology, but the submitter and author of the linked article present it as something it isn't.

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    1. Re:Wrong, imprecise blurb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      who knows, some blind person may want to read advanced quantum mechanics book that ain't available throigh braille. To me, this doesn't sound about idealism; it's about choice that becomes available to the blind individuals.

      So let the blind folks decide if this technology lives or dies.

      -b

    2. Re:Wrong, imprecise blurb by gmhowell · · Score: 3, Informative

      Nowhere did I say that a blind person shouldn't be able to do that, or use the tech. What I complained about is that the blurb and article are not well written. Fact: it does not let a blind person read. The only way I am aware of that allows a blind person to read is with braille or some other tactile writing method. Fact: it only helps some (admittedly, most) blind people.

      As far as if blind people want the tech, let me ask my wife...

      OK, I'm back, she's not interested, because she's also deaf. What she would like is more and cheaper refreshable braille devices, and DRM-free e-Books.

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    3. Re:Wrong, imprecise blurb by iwein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      since when is starting a metadiscussion "offtopic"?

      i must be new here, i know.

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    4. Re:Wrong, imprecise blurb by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have you seen this?

      Like I said, it's a great bit of tech. It just concerns me when developers get speech or audible devices, and say 'good enough'. (Not saying you are doing that, BTW).

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  4. Hmmmm by Neil+Blender · · Score: 4, Funny

    That explains why my dog has been moping around all day. His dreams have been crushed.

  5. Re:How many fingers? by mandolin · · Score: 2, Funny
    How many fingers am I holding up? 1001

    The machine needs more work then, unless you actually have nine fingers.

  6. But... Can it read PrOn? by Cordath · · Score: 3, Funny

    If that dohickey can describe the contents of a playboy to a blind man in sufficient detail to give him a high quality woody then I say it's nobel prize time. Why? It's no big deal for a blind man to find someone to read literature to him. However, it is considerably more difficult for a blind man to find someone willing to describe naked women to him while he jerks his gerkin. Do you have any idea what kind of overtime the average aide would charge for that level of service?

  7. I'd rather have a queer-eye computer by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 3, Funny

    Instead of having a seeing eye computer, I'd rather have a queer-eye computer that could tell me whether or not my clothes match in the morning.

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  8. Reminds me of my dorm life by Neil+Blender · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is totally OT but when I was a freshman I had a blind neighbor in the dorm who subscribed to a braille version of Playboy. It came in a cardboard box because it took four bound paper volumes for each edition - each one was at least an inch thick. Of course, we made all the obvious jokes about the pictures being in braille.

    1. Re:Reminds me of my dorm life by wetmonkey · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just proves the point of all those men who "read it for the articles"

      Would be nice if they had a 3D Pop up for the centerfold though.. Blind and sighted would benefit from that!

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    2. Re:Reminds me of my dorm life by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Funny

      Playboy in braille... talk about reading it for the articles! :)

  9. Sight for the blind. by s0rbix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am curious to know if there are any systems in development to let blind people regain their vision through the use of computers/computer implants.

  10. Is it just me, or... by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did anyone else misread the headline as saying that the ``seeing eye computer guides'' were blind?

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  11. Interesting but.... by seanvaandering · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a Major ISP in tech support, and I've heard some of these things actually work over the phone, and I'm all for technology that enriches peoples lives, however, listening to some of these calls, I've noticed that for instance,

    1. These programs read absolutely everything on a screen thats displayed.
    2. The people using them usually have the speed/pitch turned up to max to get through the nonsense, and therefore the computer sounds like its got the Smurfs (tm) trapped inside.

    Has the technology gotten better than this or is it still as annoying to hear? I'd hate to be a library listening to that in the background...

    1. Re:Interesting but.... by sushant_bhatia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes the technology has gotton much better. The quality of the voice is, dare i say, almost human. (We dont use the Microsoft Sam etc voices). To answer your questions: 1) We are gonna try to make the reading more in tune with how a person might actually read. For instance, we all dont start reading from page 1 so if you wanted to find pg 33 and you have no clue as to which page is currently open how would you get to page 33. These and other things are under consideration right now and are being worked on. 2) I work with a lady who is blind and she tells me that some people put the speed to max because they can get though the text faster and because they can actually comprehend all the text being spoken.

    2. Re:Interesting but.... by Aquitaine · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a web developer for the Employment and Disability Institute.

      In my experience, people who use screen readers have the speed turned up for the same reason that, when you or I go to a web page, we don't read every word - we 'scan' the links or maybe the text for something interesting. We discard a lot of the information that is given to us.

      (Some) people who rely on screen readers are able to process auditory information much faster than sighted users, and so they're just doing the same thing - racing through the stuff that's there, looking for something that interests them. I personally don't find this any more annoying than I find listening to any computerized voice talk at me all day, but then, I only deal with it occasionally.

      Improvements in the technology are usually focused on actually reading content properly. Like web pages with invalid markup or improper semantic structure.

  12. Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I must say I actualy only been in the computerfield cause I think its fun geek stuff..

    But..

    When getting real about all this, this is the best news I ever heard. This is precisely what computers should be used for. And it happens cause you and me are so stupid that we buy those silly computer and webcams we do not need, for alot more money then they worth. If you and me wouldnt be so dumb, they wouldnt become mainstream, and if they didnt this stuff wouldnt be invented.

    This is the greatest computer use I heard for a long time. I realy hope it works well.

  13. For hearing impaired by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    About 10 years ago I though about a device that allows deaf people to "see" sound by looking at a spectragraph of sound waves. Researchers have learned how to read spoken words by studying spectragraphs, so I figure deaf people could also be trained. Now such software could probably be put on an off-the-shelf pocket computer instead of a custom device.

  14. Mobile Eye Phone by halftrack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This reminds me of a project in Norway. In relation to the upcoming UMTS rollout here, Telenor - the largest Norwegian telco - is introducing something they call Mobile Eye Phone. It's basically just a camera, microphone and earplugs connected via UMTS to a remote guide. He gets a live video feed and can assist the blind person in navigating in new places. I've seen this on TV tested with a blind person taking his 6 year old daugther on a trip out of the country and it seemed to work really well. Given that the person only need to place a call when he need help navigating.

    A combination of the two technology would create a fallback when this new technology fail. And it will fail, just look at OCR.

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    1. Re:Mobile Eye Phone by sushant_bhatia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OCR technology has significantly improved over the last 20 years. I would say that the technology we are devloping is till in its infancy and an assessment of failure can only be made once we get a test team to use it. THanks for your comments however. Very enlightnening about the Mobile Eye Phone.

  15. For comparison/benchmarking... by smartsight · · Score: 4, Informative

    Related experimental technology for the blind is also available for free elsewhere ("The vOICe"): Mobile OCR for the blind includes speech recognition and speech synthesis support. Currently the proof-of-concept demonstrator uses the GOCR OCR engine, but other (object?) recognition engines can be easily added. Stereo vision for the blind

  16. Re:Curiosity, thy friend is Google. by halftrack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some time ago (in 2002) there was a story on /. linking to this Wired article which I remember as interesting. By stimulating certain areas of the brain they were trying to tap directly in to the visual center of the brain and create an image.

    I also found this more recent article that predicts the technology to be avaiable in 4-5 years time.

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  17. similar to something I wrote.. by zcat_NZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    .. well, still working on, in my 'copious free time'.

    My blind friend uses a barcode reader to scan cans and bottles in his cupboards. At the moment, the script looks up the product description from a textfile provided by the local supermarket, but we've found things like "WAT TM SSE" to be less-than-ideal. (it runs under linux, scanner plugs into keyboard plug, script runs on console, greps for barcode and reads the 'description' via festival.)

    The next version, his wife will be able to scan the groceries and record a proper description, cooking instructions, etc, as short mp3 files while she unpacks the weekly shopping.

    So, no more cat-food or tomato-sauce incidents when he's looking for a can of spagetti for lunch!

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    1. Re:similar to something I wrote.. by sushant_bhatia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thats a great idea. How about moving it to a PDA and using a Bar code scanner that attaches to a PDA to do the same thing. That way the users can go shopping too and know exactly what they are getting. Let me know how that is going for ya.

    2. Re:similar to something I wrote.. by Feztaa · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only problem I can see with that is, how does he know where on the item the barcode is?

      I'm guessing RFID would be a huge boon to your friend. Hold the scanner near the item, it won't matter what orientation it's in.

  18. But what about moving around? by dave420 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This will help someone find out what's on TV later, via the TV guide, but it won't stop them from walking into a kid in Ralphs...

    I read about a project to develop a portable technology for blind people that turned their environment into a soundscape (via a camera and an earpiece). Not a cheesy avatar-based load of crap with samples, but a real-time sonic rendering of the visual world. To the untrained ear it sounded like a complete noise, but to people who'd been using it for ages, it gives insight into what's going on around them. Another example of the brain's incredible capacity to make sense out of what appears to be complete nonsense.

  19. Seeing with sound by 4Lorn · · Score: 2, Informative

    See here.

    I'm not exactly blind, I learned about this as a student project. Doesn't seem like much at first, but long time blind users claim that they experience vision-like sensations, some of them mention seeing depth.

    The technology doesn't allow reading, but is praised by users for the fact that it doesn't filter information - a video image is transformed to sound in a reversible (after training) way.

    And yet the idea is as simple as fork and spoon, requiring shorter training time than learning to read.

  20. allergies... by drenehtsral · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once I was on a greyhound bus and I talked to a blind guy who was allergic to dogs, so he didn't have a guide dog, and that was making his trip more difficult than it needed to be just because the layout of the buildings and the terrain surrounding each bus station was unfamiliar and had lots of more-or-less random noise going on.

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  21. Does it run windows? by nizo · · Score: 2, Funny

    If it does, and it crashed while the blind person is crossing the street, it could bring a whole new meaning to "blue screen of death".