Slashdot Mirror


Java Evangelist Leaves Sun After MS Settlement

aeoo writes "The Register says that Rich Green, the vice president of developer platforms and the major public voice for Java is 'quitting Sun in disgust' due to the recent settlement between Sun and Microsoft. The article hints that there may be more to follow. On the other hand, there is an article at eWeek with a different slant, saying that Rich Green tendered his resignation prior to the settlement. What impact, if any, will this have on open sourcing Java? It looks like Sun is still considering it."

9 of 360 comments (clear)

  1. Time Will Tell by dolo666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Having a billion plus dollars of cash infusion should be even more of a reason for Java to take up more Open Source Development and support this nicely flowering community of adept programmers, testers and beneficiaries. However, a sneaky Dogbert spy might infiltrate the contract Sun signed, causing Sun to breach contract if they support Open Source (Microsoft likely didn't do this but it would not surprise me at all if they did, because I've never known Bill Gates to part with any money without getting something in return). Time will indeed tell if this settlement spells doom for Sun's human capitol, although if I'm right about Dogbert, then it likely will result in some really rich seedling startups being formed in wake of Sun's slow demise.

  2. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll join Open Source by darthcamaro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could be a great thing for the open source community. Maybe we'll all get lucky and he'll join up with an open source 'java' project like Tomcat, JBoss or others.

  3. Weak denial by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Claiming that Green had decided to leave Sun two months agao is not a direct contradiction to the claim that he left over the recently announced settlement with Microsoft. For all well know, the talks leading to that deal could have been going on for months, and Green certainly would have had inside access to how they were going.

  4. Sun vs. Linux issues? by -tji · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There were a lot of articles on various news sites saying that Sun and Microsoft had buried the hatchet, in order to concentrate on their common enemy: Linux.

    I looked through the articles, but did not see any Sun quotes that were clearly hostile towards Linux. Although, that has been true all along, in public Sun always said Linux was a good thing, but in private Sun employees I know were not exactly Linux fans.

    Were there any Sun statements made against Linux? Or were the journalists just connecting the dots?

    Then, there are the Sun involvement in SCO issues. From the beginning, Sun has only touted their fully licensed Unix, they have not ever offered any support of the Linux position. Many people think they are one of the main parties behind the SCO lawsuit.

  5. Not just time... by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 4, Interesting
    As I said repeatedly in the story earlier today:

    Sun is a Hardware vendor first and a Software vendor second.

    That said, it makes little sense for Sun to loose the Marketing benefit of Sun Java (as it gains no money, it's value to Sun is in the feel-good name recognition it's provides).

    Sun sells Linux hardware along with Solaris hardware. Sun StarOffice and OpenOffice is funded by Sun to perpetuate good faith and hardware sales.

    From a corporate point of view, Java is a loosing deal that can't be safely dropped (without gaining a lot of bad faith) and open-sourcing it could save them money, but would inevitably force a loss of Java market share while the community ramps-up to start supporting extensions to the current Java architecture (especially now, as .NET is totally in the clear). Further, community - open-source Java implimentations already exist (GCJ), but don't have the support of Sun's native implimentation.*

    So what for Sun to do? Same as ever. Keep expanding the product, but don't put too much into it (as it's a money seive).

    --
    * GCJ and even the 'blackdown' ports of Java having no support means little, (as supported free beer is more usefull than unsupported freedom when it comes to reality) - but their failure to gain market share can be taken as an indicator of the possible stagnantation of an OpenSource Java.

    --
    Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
  6. Re:Ah No by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What I've been finding interesting of late is not so much Java itself, but some of the (mostly apache.org-based) tools exploding from it like rocks from Krakatoa.
    In particular, Keel seems to support some very high levels of abstraction.
    In particular, the ant build tool, XDoclet, and a raft of XML extend Java in some genuinely interesting directions.
    There is the usual evangelical rah-rah going on, but some 'there' to be found there, as well.
    OK, I'm only test driving it for school; haven't been paid real cash money to implement it, yet it is provocative.

    --
    Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
  7. NET in the clear by Allen+Zadr · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Since the settlement with Java, there is no possibility that MS will be forced to do/not do anything with .NET (as it has similar properties to Java). This was a bit under the fold, and I shouldn't have used it as a point.

    To ammend then I'll simply add that .NET will be pushed hard in the next months - now that the settlement is made - and now is not the time to stagnate Java by pushing it into OSS limbo for the year it would take for the community to be able to support it.

    --
    Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
  8. Tin Foil Hat firmly in place? by bachroxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Two interesting tidbits:
    Sun was one of the few companies that bought a SCO license, and Scott McNealy darkly referred to Open Source as if they were pirates bent on destruction of Intellectual property here: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C3959%2C1209873%2 C00.asp

    Second, one way to kill Linux as a viable desktop alternative would be to get rid of Star Office or at least make it seem like its support will be limited. Does Sun really care about desktops? Star Office on Linux is being used by many governments around the world as a bludgeon to beat up MS in contract negotiations (why would I pay $500/desktop and up for your software when I can use Star Office on Linux). Even when they don't intend to use Linux, it provides good leverage for getting massive discounts. If Sun can be convinced to get rid of Star Office, that very well could pay M$ back while seriously damaging Linux. I have used both Open Office and Star Office, and neither are MS killers, but Star Office is much more useful and polished.

  9. Ah, the possibilities... by crazyphilman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The apparent facts:

    1. Sun decided not to open-source Java, at least for the time being.

    2. Shortly later, Microsoft paid Sun 2 billion dollars to settle a bunch of old lawsuits that were languishing in court anyway, and the two companies teamed up, agreeing to cross-license patents and share research info, work on mutually beneficial plans and so forth.

    3. Sun isn't crazy about Linux because it's better than Solaris. Microsoft isn't crazy about Linux because it's better than Windows. Linux is making strong advances against BOTH operating systems, thereby costing both Sun and Microsoft a LOT of money. And, yes, I know Sun has made some moves towards offering Linux on Sun equipment, but I suspect McNealy prefers Solaris despite this.

    4. Microsoft and Sun have both helped SCO in various ways over the past two years, both for their own reasons I imagine.

    SPECULATION:

    1. If Sun decides that they'll make more money partnering with Microsoft and pushing Solaris, then they'll consider stabbing Linux in the back. As we all know, they could fairly easily stop supporting Java on Linux. They could make it Windows-only if they wanted. Or they could sell it to Microsoft once and for all. Consider what this would do to corporate takeup of Linux.

    2. If Sun decides to partner with Microsoft temporarily until the Linux threat is dealt with, and then go rogue and try and push Solaris instead of Windows, that would be just as bad.

    3. Remember all that patent cross-licensing and the agreement to share research with Microsoft? I'm guessing this is going to be used against Linux shortly. Massive licensing fees would put a big dent in "free" whether as in beer or freedom.

    4. Everyone focusing on Java for the past few years has had the amusing effect of distracting large numbers of programmers from working on alternative programming systems that might have been better than Java. Linux is now in a Java rut. What happens if -- whoops! -- Sun pulls the Java rug right out from under us? That would be worth 2 billion to Microsoft, wouldn't it?

    POSSIBLE APPROACHES FOR OPEN-SOURCE PROGRAMMERS:

    1. Back to C++. It does everything except applets, anyway (and you can do all of THAT with Shockwave and Flash).

    2. Python, Perl and PHP (pick your favorite).

    3. Everybody, start working on GCJ and CLASSPATH! Somebody start a beer and coffee fund...

    4. Let's all do something different.

    Did I miss any?

    --
    Farewell! It's been a fine buncha years!