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Unprecedented level of Virus Alerts

arpy writes "iTnews reports that according to Trend Micro (makers of PC-cillin), there was a record-breaking level of virus alerts in the first quarter of 2004. In Q1 2003, Trend issued 35 virus warnings. During the same period this year, it issued 232. According to the company's annual virus round-up and forecast (PDF), the number of alerts was pretty much steady for 2001-2003. Particularly noteworthy is that so many of the viruses are variants, not original. Trend's April 2 Weekly Virus Report reveals that of the "Top 10 most prevalent global malware", the top five are all variations of Worm_NETSKY. This would seem to confirm Virus creators are sharing more code."

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  1. Ummmm by soundsop · · Score: 5, Funny

    This would seem to confirm Virus creators are sharing more code.

    So, do they prefer GPL or BSD license?

  2. And it's not going to go away soon... by heironymouscoward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A quote from a journal entry from last September:

    And so we come to the nightmare scenario. A relatively benign
    parasite has infiltrated the general population and suddenly a very
    "hot" parasite discovers how to piggy-back that infection. In the
    blink of an eye - a day, an hour - 50% of Windows PCs around the
    world are destroyed. It can happen, and therefore, it most probably
    will.

    --
    Ceci n'est pas une signature
    1. Re:And it's not going to go away soon... by tim_mathews · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, 50% of Windows PCs being destroyed is a nightmare scenario? I thought that would be more a breath of fresh air?

    2. Re:And it's not going to go away soon... by 4minus0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You base your conclusing on a broad sweeping assumption that "it can happen". This theory is flawed. Viruses and worms are combated on many fronts, using multiple strategies.

      You are making a broad sweeping assumption as well. Routers with NAT, which offer rudimentary inbound firewalling as a side effect of actually doing NAT, do stop a good bit of the viral attacks such as back orifice etc but they aren't stateful firewalls like you'll see in an enterprise. They don't stop anything from going *out* the pipe. All it takes is a rogue payload on the inside of one of many networks with a big pipe and things get ugly quick! As an aside, I *don't* want my upstream provider filtering my traffic at all though and dropped the last ISP that started that and told them as much.

      You're also assuming that the AV software catches 'everything'. What about the last bout of worms carried by the encrypted zips? I'm in the driver's seat on a dozen or so high traffic mail servers up and down the East Coast of the US and I (and other admins) was caught off guard by this worm. We block (with client permission) every executable attachment known to Microsoft operating systems and a few obscure ones as well. The encrypted zips slid right past qmail-scanner, clamav and a couple home-grown perl scripts we use for filtering. Those worms slid past the big name AV products at places I do other types of work. I will give the ClamAV and the qmail-scanner mailing lists credit though...it wasn't long before there were patches and add-ons for each to drop that worm at the gate, patches came in to the qmail-scanner list within hours of the first sighting of that worm in the wild.

      The encrypted zip ruse was clever, how long before somebody comes up with something similar but more sinister? The only way to stop email-borne viruses completely would be to do as you say and stop all attachments completely. That's not an option for 99% of my clients, just simply not an option. Everytime I read something from one of the guys that works on ClamAV or one of the 'gurus' at the big AV labs about how shitty the code was in the last worm I get twitchy. What's going to happen if somebody that knows what they're doing and has a bit of cleverness up their sleeve as well decides to write the next nasty bug?

      --
      You've got an easy breezy wind at your back...most of the time.
  3. GPL, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a viral license, remember?

  4. Re:Good by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Clueless people deserve it. It's not just going to be the clueless... even those running AV software won't be protected from a super-fast-moving virus...

  5. two questions... by vena · · Score: 4, Insightful

    don't many of these viruses use the same vulnerabilities? if that's the case, doesn't that mean a statistic like this should be pointed to not as an indicator of rising numbers of viruses, but as an indicator of the lack of response from the applications being exploited?

    i'm not certain that these viruses use the same vulnerabilities, so my second question is pretty heavily weighted on the first :)

  6. Windows Virus End User License Agreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Windows Virus License, of course, since they're all Windows viruses, of course! ;)

    Windows Virus End User License Agreement

    Licensor, Skrip T. Kidie hereby licenses to you, the licensee, the ability to be infected on a single machine with not more than eight (8) processors by this Windows Virus (hereafter "the Virus").

    By reading this, you agree to allow your machine to become infected. We reserve any and all rights without limitation, while you disclaim any purported rights you might have so much as thought you had, including "fair use" rights, and agree to hold licensor harmless for the inevitable destruction of your PC.

    In the event you are found in possession of more copies of the Virus than you have license for, you will owe us $699 per violation. Furthermore, ...

    (10 more pages of legalese here)

  7. Re:Good by YetAnotherDave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've seen some pretty fast-moving viruses get past the very expensive virus-scanner we have at work, but the only one to get by the simple, free, procmail-based one I use at home is the stupid one where you have to open an encrypted zipfile.

    http://impsec.org/email-tools/procmail-security. ht ml

    Now I have to ask, if users are dumb enough to open a password-protected zipfile in what sure looks like an obvious virus-generated message to me, aren't those users dumb enough to be convinced to chmod +x && ./runMyVirus

    I think this is evidence that no security system can realy be foolproof. The fools are just too persistent!

  8. Calling wolf? by dj245 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When you have 232 virus warnings in a year, you have a wee bit of a problem. When you have 232 alerts in a fourth of a year, you have an industry gone markebonkers. Thats 2 and a half alerts per day. Is it any wonder Joe Average isn't paying attention any more and is getting fried? 232 virus warnings doesn't say to me that there is a problem with viruses, it tells me that there is a problem with whomever is issueing them. They need to re-evaluate what constitutes a warning, and what doesn't. Does BobWanky'sWhoopieWorm_A, BobWanky'sWhoopieWorm_B, and BobWanky'sWhoopieWorm_C, all need separate alerts? Its doubtful. We need to reign in these virus companies, who appear to have gone quite literally bananas, and give them a good smiting.

    --
    Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
  9. Question about AV software by ObviousGuy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AV software seems to do a lot of scanning in a minimum amount of time. Considering the thousands upon thousands of viruses running around the wild, how is AV software able to scan each file so quickly, even if it only looks for specific signatures, it seems that each file would take an inordinate amount of time to scan. However it doesn't.

    Can someone give a brief explanation of how anti-virus software is able to scan so many files so quickly?

    --
    I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
    1. Re:Question about AV software by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Heuristics (probably)

      Viruses which have similar mechanisms leave similar signatures (in the case of true viruses; I'm not exactly certain how (or if) it's done for worms).

      IANA Anti-Virus Specialist

    2. Re:Question about AV software by X · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's really not as bad as you think. A relatively naive approach is to build an automaton based on the virus definitions. It's very much like using Perl regexps to search a ton of documents. You'd be amazed how fast you can do these scans once all you do is read a byte, transition to the next state in the automaton, rinse, repeat.

      Of course, you can always look at the source to figure it out.

      --
      sigs are a waste of space
  10. Re:Virus scanners suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like to elaborate on that thought. Virus Scanners worked when there wasn't a vast connected network such as the internet. Trojans/worms took a helluva lot more time to propagate where now-a-days they spread extremly fast, a good example would be the DCOM worm. It was a lot more difficult to be infected by a virus such as michelango than today's malware if for no other reason than companies having more time to react.

  11. Should we still call them Virus alerts? by Chairboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are few large virus threats in the past few years. Most of the stuff we see every day is technicall a worm.

    Why are we married to calling everything virus related when it is actually the flash-spread of worms that pose the most risk?

    The Morris worm was a wakeup call. It was the first large worm, and simultaneously the first Warhol attack. Today, the 'growing threat' is the idea of Warhol-type worms, even though the first such attack was back in the 1980s.

    The future of security is probably in the department of protecting against blended threats. AntiVirus software that only deals with stuff on your disk isn't enough anymore. You need, in order of importance:
    1. to adopt safer computing practices.
    2. Have some type of firewall that limits external access to services you don't actively use.
    3. A behavior based IDS (or similar technology)
    4. Disk and memory AV (eg, a typical antivirus program)
    5. Signature based IDS.

    Signature based IDS is least important, especially if you have the firewall in slot 2 that negates most of the use of an IDS. Disk and memory AV is important, but since 99% of all user-originated content comes over the wire these days, the smart money is on 1, 2, and 3.

    I suppose step 6 should be "Demand accurate coverage from technically competent news professionals that know the difference between the various threats". If your local anchorman said "Earthquake warning!" and it turns out it was a flood emergency, would you find that acceptable?

  12. Heuristic antivirus by core+plexus · · Score: 4, Funny
    I remember years ago some were touting heuristic antivirus as the way of the future. Obviously, it didn't work. The idea was to look for certain patterns rather than the actual virus.

    On the plus side, we can hope that if The Machines ever get away from us, we can get Jeff or Data or NEO or Ahhnold to load a virus and save us. On the minus side, one of these days someone is going to write something really nasty, and even those of us who don't use Windows will be affected, either through the drag in traffic, bringing down nodes, or the phone calls and other messages.

    It would be great to have a system that looks for changes and reports them...oh wait, I already have that.

    -cp-

    Alaska Bugs Sweat Gold Nuggets

    1. Re:Heuristic antivirus by 1u3hr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I remember years ago some were touting heuristic antivirus as the way of the future. Obviously, it didn't work. The idea was to look for certain patterns rather than the actual virus.

      No, it did (does) work. It was simply more profitable to sell a program that requires frequent updates for each new threat. See e.g. Better antivirus software is worse than a virus?

  13. Where's... by TechnologyX · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...the data regarding AntiVirus software purchases, firewall purchases, patch downloads, etc for the same period?

    Since there was an unusually high number of viruses and alerts, it would be nice to see just how it's being handled on the user end. Were there spikes in Norton Anti-Virus purchases? Or are people getting nailed with virus after virus ( a big clue is that it's mostly just a slightly altered form of the virus ) because they're being typical Joe User and not trying to guard themselves?

    --
    Slashdot sucks
  14. Sharing code by buss_error · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This would seem to confirm Virus creators are sharing more code."

    And writing them for the same reason for the same people. Money from spammers. Look how many of those new viruses open back doors for proxies and steal email addresses. I don't think that it is so the virus writers can send love notes anonymously.

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  15. need help fast by segment · · Score: 5, Funny

    I run a website called politrix of which is my own Sun machine. I recently received the following email and am confused of what to do
    Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2004 12:43:28 -0800 (PST)
    From: root <root! @ politrix.org>
    To: root! @ politrix.org
    Subject: Your Account

    Your account has been suspended due to massive amounts of spam and Mountain Dew spillage on your machine. If you do not open this zip file and click on the password protected zip file you generated, you will suspend your own account.

    Act now this is not a joke of virus! It is as real as Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Sincerely,
    Me
    root! @ politrix.org

    U.S. and Canada: (800) 555-1212
    Outside the U.S. and Canada: +1 (212) 555-1212
    Can someone please link a book on common sense so I can buy it to figure out why I am suspending my own account. Please hurry! Currently I am writing to this poor man in Africa who's promising me a couple of cool millions, so when I become rich, I will reward you handsomely.
  16. Re:Good by JPriest · · Score: 5, Funny
    Information wants to be free.
    Joe user wants to be infected.

    Make something idiot-proof and someone will build a better idiot.

    --
    Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
  17. Antivirus Software Makers vs. Arms Dealers by henrypijames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In a way, the antivirus industry always reminds me of the nobel profession of arms dealing. On the table you provide your clients weapens to "defend" themselves and to archieve and maintain peace. Off the table you know the business only flourishes when there is a war. Of course there is always a war, but your interest is in an all-out war. So what do you do if there is no such an all-out war going on? Don't panic, you simply make your clients believe there is one indeed. As soon as they believe you, you win.

    If you don't know what I'm talking about, you shoudl read Vmyths more often.

  18. Re:Clam AV by ag0ny · · Score: 4, Informative
    Amidst all this, anyone know how clam AV (open source virus scanning engine, and 3rd fastest updater) is holding up?

    Quite well from my point of view. A virus went through the scanner three days ago, but the definition file was updated and I haven't seen any other virii go through it again.

    This is the "Catched virus top 20" in my mail server for the last few days:
    ares:/var/spool/qmailscan# cat quarantine.log |awk -F"\t" '{ print $5 }' |sort |uniq -c |sort -nr |head -20
    27111 Worm.SomeFool.P
    19574 Worm.SomeFool.Gen-1
    11220 Worm.SomeFool.Gen-2
    3967 Worm.SomeFool.Q
    1233 Worm.Dumaru.A
    1078 Worm.SCO.A
    751 Worm.Sobig.F
    329 Disallowed characters found in MIME headers
    315 Worm.Bagle.U
    275 Worm.SomeFool.I
    274 Disallowed breakage found in header name - potential virus
    164 Disallowed content found in MIME attachment - potential virus
    127 Worm.Dumaru.K
    123 Worm.Mydoom.F
    104 Worm.Bagle.Gen-zippwd
    101 Worm.Klez.H
    93 Worm.Bagle.Gen-zippwd-2
    85 Worm.Bagle.N
    76 Worm.Bagle.Gen-1
    51 Worm.VB.C
  19. An introduction to viruses by chrysalis · · Score: 4, Funny

    A lot /. readers are not familiar with Windows and may ask what "virus" means in computer science. So in order to better understand this article, here's a short presentation.

    Virus are popular peer-to-peer sharing systems designed and optimized for Windows platforms.
    Great features of these systems over other P2P systems :
    - It's free software, although the license is often missing.
    - They are very well maintained. New versions are released almost every day.
    - They are easy to use : no need for a GUI, no need for a CLI, everything is fully automated.
    - Updates are also automatic.
    - No need to tweak your firewall, popular viruses can work on port 25 using a SMTP-like protocol.

    In order to join this community, you just have to run an installer called "outlook.exe". To improve your experience, the "internet explorer" add-on is also recommended.

    And how handy, the installer and its add-on are part of the vanilla "Windows" installation CD set. No need to download anything and no registration is required. Very convenient.

    Once the installer ("outlook.exe") has been started, an Evolution-like interface pops up. This is bloat, it can be safely ignored. Directly go to the "add contact" panel and fill in email addresses of friends you want to share executable with. Wait a few minutes (check the internet link is ok) et voila, viruses are automatically downloaded, installed and configured.

    You know understand why this p2p system is so popular in the Windows world : easy to install, easy to use, and the operating system keeps a lot of unfixed security holes in order to avoid breaking backward-compatibility with older viruses.

    --
    {{.sig}}
  20. Related to Spy/Adware? by Boinger69 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work in the 'PC Repair' industry, so this article really is of no news to me, as 90% of my business is pulling this garbage, and SPYWARE out of people's systems. I ask you, slashdot, are virus writers slowly getting in bed with these spyware writing scum suckers? More and more I see systems infested with a few nice worms, especially stuff along the lines of "Trojan.Startpage", the usually nastiness (B(e)agle, Netsky,) and TONS of spyware. Is this a sign that the two are going hand-in-hand, or just a giant example of the general idiocy of users. (I'm betting on both) Spybot/Ad-Aware/AVG only go so far. How are the tech-savvy supposed to protect these people? I've even had people try to claim that ad-aware or AVG INFECTED them a second time, because it wasnt there before, and they're system was working fine aside from mass mailing their friends viruses and throwing popups in their faces.

    Will we reach a point when the constant pushing of garbage in users faces will make the internet worthless to the common man?

    1. Re:Related to Spy/Adware? by ender81b · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know what boggles my mind in regards to spyware/virus'?

      I work tech support at a local isp. We have... a fair number of customers (stupid NDA's). And I would say around 10-15% of our calls are virus/spyware related in at least some way.

      But what is really upsetting is this - how can users (somehow) manage to get 225 pieces of spyware and 42 virus' and then NOT be able to install a anti-virus program or spybot? Jesus Christ. It just... fucks with my head. I can't figure out who's to blame in this one.

      The other thing that is extremely upsetting is the utter lack of responsibility taken on by the computer manufactures in regards to spyware/virus'. Here's the deal. User X gets a new PC with their tax refund. User X puts computer on intarweb. 15 minutes later they get blaster, call me and tell me that "the internet broke their computer, can't be anything wrong with it just bought it blah blah blah blah." And then I go to look and, I'll be dammed, the brand spanking new dell they just bought contains 0 patches. No service pack 1, nothing.

      I'm not sure if it's just dell (I think hewlett packard is the same) but both of these manufactures, for home pc's, ship them 100% unpatched. And, of course, they don't have to deal with the tech support of cleaning off spyware/blaster. It's not like it is even the user's fault. If any of you put winxp on a machine (even with the firewall in xp enabled) that wasn't behind NAT/firewall it will get blaster/wachi/nachi in 10 minutes. There's litterally nothing you can do.

      Can we really blame Microsoft for this one? Or even ther user?

      Allright, I think i'm done venting ;).

  21. It makes me wonder. by LoveTheIRS · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am running Fedora Core 1 w/ kernel 2.6.4 ... There have been these forrester research findings that linux distributions have about the same amount of dangerous vulnerabilities as Windows. When I took a peek at linuxsecurity.com all I found were vulnerabilities in server services like Open SSL, Squid and etc. Though I know those services are important to Linux's current most successful market (Enterprise Server Market). As a user running Fedora and runing services like: X server, cups, vmware and not having any other users but myself. Do I even need to patch? I mean, like X-server has been around for 20 yrs, can't I assume that it pretty much is safe from an external network attack?

  22. Not enough by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I was setting up a W2k box once, and in the five minutes between the first boot and the installation of ZoneAlarm, a worm installed itself via NetBIOS.

    My fault, I suppose, for leaving it the demilitarized zone. I'm just so used to Linux though -- the idea that a modern OS would permit such a thing to happen is ridiculous.

  23. Ugh by CGP314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    virus companies, who appear to have gone quite literally bananas

    So have they turned into bananas, or have they just gone to banana rich lands? Sorry, but I can't see how one can literally go bananas.


    -Colin

  24. Re:Virus scanners suck by FireFury03 · · Score: 5, Informative

    While I'm certainly against malicious software (my inbox gets absolutely flooded with these trojans), I think that "virus" writing has really gone down hill in recent years.

    In the good old days, viruses were tightly coded programs that often did cool things (undesirable, but still cool, like making all the letters fall off your screen). They would modify existing programs to become carriers - this is the true meaning of a virus, it modifys legitimate code to allow it to propogate.

    Remember the Cascade virus, back in 1988? 1701 bytes of code that sits in memory, modifying .com files to include it's code as they're opened. Compare with current "viruses", which are really no more than trojans. They're several tens of K in size, rely on the user to be stupid and execute it manually and often just add themselves to the list of programs to start on bootup.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a real virus has been written since the late 1990's. All current "viruses" are either trojans or worms.

    Virus - modifies existing programs to include it's own code.
    Trojan - executable file that pretends to be something the luser wants but is really malicious.
    Worm - self replicating software that uses a network-accessible vulnerability to propogate to other machines on the network (think Code Red, et al)

  25. Re:There are some nasty ones by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Funny
    While I suspect it's a typo one would think (hope?) Taco may have picked it up

    "in the first quater", "varients, not original".
    Taco pick up a typo? You must be new here...

  26. Solve the damn problem by bangular · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If this is such a problem, why has there been such little effort to actually fix it. There have been reactionary measures (patches, anti-virus), and overkill security that's years away (security at the hardware level). A HUGE chunk of viruses could be wiped out if

    a) no more html email. Period. There's no reason for it other than making email look pretty. I've never run into a situtation where an informational email couldn't live without html.

    b) No more attachments. Email isn't a file transfer protocol. There are many many many other safe ways to send files. Email was never meant to send binary attachments anyway. The RFC doesn't allow it. To comply, a dirty hack was created in which binary data is turned into plain text. But it's obvious email wasn't meant to be used in that fashion.

    c) no more IE. No other piece of software has enabled so many viruses, adware, spyware, and shitware. IE is the malware enabler. I don't care if you use Opera, Mozilla, whatever, because pretty much everything is better than IE.

    d) quit blaming the damn users. MS has designed an operating system to be used by the simpliest people on earth. Those whom have absolutly no computer experience at all. How can you blame them then when they open viruses? If you are going to design an operating system to be used by the masses, then you must implement security measures as if the user is clueless, because usually they are. Because you can open a virus without a warning, yet you can't modify your "Windows" directory without a myriad of warnings, makes me wonder how high a priority security really is to MS.

    1. Re:Solve the damn problem by MoP030 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      a) no more html email. Period. There's no reason for it other than making email look pretty. I've never run into a situtation where an informational email couldn't live without html.
      Maybe you didn't have that that problem and neither do I. But i know a lot of less technically inclined people, who would send an email simply because it is pretty (say, because their new email program has these pretty templates with pictures of hawaii as a background.). Same goes for attachments. Email isn't only used for short, important messages. People use it to socialize, and as such they send stuff they think is funny, pretty or shiny.
      I think viruses over email will stop as soon as sexually transmitted diseases will stop because people stopped to have recreational, unprotected sex.
      --
      the most sexp i get is my paren-mode.
    2. Re:Solve the damn problem by prandal · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You forgot File Extension Hiding. One of the key weapons in the malware-writers' social engineering attacks. It's time File Extension Hiding was turned off. And time that MS released a patch to disable it for all time.

      Phil

    3. Re:Solve the damn problem by Genom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What are you talking about? There's been lots of effort in combating the virus problem, namely the products of the major antivirus software vendors like Trend Micro, and Symantec. It's worked extremely well. More and more viruses and worms come out, and the vendors make more and more updates, and sell more licenses. They've become extremely profitable. Since profit = success, this virus problem is obviously well in hand.

      I'm guessing that was sarcasm, in which case I totally agree ^^

      The problem here is that the viral arms race is a cash cow. It's in Symantec/Trend/McAffee/et. al.'s best interest, financially, to make sure that viruses/worms/malware continue to propagate.

      If virus/worm/malware activity suddenly stopped, there'd be little need for the services those companies provide. If, however, the threat multiplied over time, there would be an increased demand for thier services - which in turn would equate to more money in their pockets.

      I'm not saying these firms are crooked - I'm also not saying they aren't. All I'm saying is that they have a vested interest in keeping the threat alive, or even increasing its magnitude. Whether they do so or not is neither here nor there.

      MS, of course, shoulders a portion of the blame for the problem. OE, after all, is the most effective virus/worm/malware distribution engine *ever*. (Outlook itself not being far behind, but that's part of Office, which most folks actually have to pay for -- OE comes installed with the Windows OS that comes pre0nstalled on most new machines, and hence has a much greater distribution) But then again, if it were secure, given MS's overwhelming marketshare, how would *that* effect the bottom line for the AV companies?

      A healthy skepticism about the industry is quite warranted, I think.

  27. Pearl Harbor of the web. . ? by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't know which way to jump on this one. . .

    On the one hand, what I see is a 'cool' new trend in virus writing; "Wow! Cool! Like, I can re-script a code which will secure me lots of slave machines! Excellllllent. I want to play, too!"

    On the other hand, it also strikes me as very convenient that the web should be pummeled right now when there is such a push to massively control EVERYTHING and EVERYONE on the planet. --How easy would it be for the fine people in black-ops-secret-shmecret-government to release a few hundred viruses into the wild?

    Pretty damned easy, I'd say. But to what end?

    Simple. Everybody is getting fed up. "Oh, please install new laws which allow us to punish spammers. Oh, please, mighty government, do SOMETHING to control the web so that I can get my email!"

    The internet, at the moment, is THE prime source of real information and world-wide communication. You can say here, out in the open, "BUSH IS A LIAR AND A CRIMINAL" And link to a hundred sites which explain -with detailed evidence- exactly why this is so.

    Fascist governments don't appreciate this. Machiavelli recommended the swift destruction of dissidents who speak such things, in order to control a kingdom.

    230 new script kiddies a month releasing malignant code into the wild, or a handful of unimaginative agents bent on pissing everybody off so much that they start begging for leashes?

    I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest to find out that the assholes -once again- are in charge.


    -FL

  28. Why ? Because someone makes money on it ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anti Virus makers are among the more profitable companies around, sure that they want to make it look like this is a gigantic threat.

    Companies that ...

    * Use a firewall
    * Enforce the use of "RunAs" for all critical operations
    * Dont use Outlook

    Avoids 99.999999 % of all of viruses

  29. Re:I guess the soltuion is easy then... by pandrijeczko · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just use Linux... and hope to God the virus community doesn't turn an eye toward it.

    I always get slightly annoyed when people make this statement - viruses on Linux cannot work in the same way that they do on Windows.

    Linux and UNIX have insecurities, possibly less than Windows but that's irrelevant here anyway. All software is potentially buggy.

    Viruses on Windows spread so rapidly because so many people in the Windows user base run Outlook or Outlook Express which allows viruses to take advantage of exploits in both those programs and in core Windows insecurities. Because so much of the Windows code base is reused, this means that when an exploit is found on Windows XP, it probably also exits in Windows 2000 and might well also exist on Windows 9x. Therefore, when a virus hits, the majority of the Windows user base is at risk.

    Linux is completely different. Exploits in Linux (and UNIX-type systems) generally revolve around buffer overflow attacks that cause a daemon program (like ftpd, httpd, etc.) to crash allowing access to a shell prompt, hopefully a root prompt (to the cracker). An attack of this nature depends on that specific daemon being run in the first place, that the cracker can get to the daemon (through any firewalling) in the first place and that the daemon is at the specific version for the exploit to be usable. Even when the cracker has got into that system, he has compromised one system only - sure he might use it as a jump off point to other systems on that network or within that organisation but this is still a limited effect attack.

    Also, you need to take into account the UNIX permissions model. Everything you or the system does in UNIX is done at a specific user level. Doing anything as "root" is always dangerous which is why many daemons are run at non-root level - this means that if a system is compromised, the attacker or malevolent program can still only do things at that user level and probably not affect the rest of the system.

    Linux and UNIX is prone to attack but the difference is, by it's very nature of customisation and administration detail, no two systems are ever going to be identical - consequently, this type of virus attack can never exist in Linux.

    --
    Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
  30. Re:There are some nasty ones by andy+landy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I work at a UK University as a sysadmin and the most prevalent viruses around here are Bagle, Netsky and MyDoom. The scary part about it all is that Both Bagle and Netsky are in about their 20th revision (Yes, viruses get upgrades and bugfixes too)

    The more recent versions of these viruses are even killing off their 'competitors' - a recent Netsky will kill off any Bagle or MyDoom viruses it finds.

    I'm still staggered that people will open email from people they've never heard of, open any attachments therein, entering passwords as they go!

    The worst case of virus authors realising the stupidity of the people they were targetting was a virus with an NTP client built-in, so that the timebomb expiry on it would still work, despite the host PC's clock not being set correctly!

    --
    perl -e 'print "Just another Perl newbie\n";'
  31. I know I've felt it by Mr+Z · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the last month and a half, I've literally received about 2 gigabytes of virus/worm mail in my UNIX-based mailbox. (Actually, it's an AIX box at my ISP.)

    Anyway, I noticed that most of these come from a rather small set of "From:" addresses, and my (now cancelled) email address, im14u2c@primenet.com, was one of them. Did any of you receive large quantities of email wastage with that forged "From:" address?

    Here's a short list of forged From: addresses I saw repeatedly on these virus/worm spam, in decreasing order of occurrence:

    • im14u2c@primenet.com
    • ollie@sis.com.tw
    • lcs@sis.com.tw LI>jgarzik@mandrakesoft.com
    • cmhuang@sis.com.tw
    • lcchang@sis.com.tw
    • lola@sexnet.com
    • abuse@gov.us
    • support@symantec.com

    I noticed sis.com.tw got hit pretty hard, as did Jeff Garzik! I think they must've scraped these out of the SiS900 driver in the Linux kernel.

    I'm regretting that suggestion I made to Ollie on how to speed up his CRC routine.

    --Joe
  32. A really effective solution by mclove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a new anti-virus idea I came up with just now, I'm not sure if anybody else has thought of this before or not but here goes:

    Network admins and ISP's would basically add a "poison e-mail address" to a user's address book (and possibly spoof a few old/sent messages with this address as the sender/recipient). Every user's poison address would be unique, and it would only be used for this virus-prevention system. The name/address/other fields would be populated with random data and the user would be told not to delete this entry from their address book for any reason.

    Whenever an e-mail was sent to that poison address, the network administrator (and possibly the user as well) would receive a plaintext, PGP-signed e-mail (with a plaintext URL that they could visit to further authenticate it) informing them that they had a virus; better yet, they could temporarily be disconnected from the network altogether.

    Implementing this system would be very easy, a little bit of extra code on an e-mail server and automatically-generated .vcf files for the initial distribution to users. It would protect even against new and undetected viruses, would work *immediately* to prevent an outbreak from spreading, and would be next to impossible for virus writers to circumvent; a dictionary-based algorithm for generating random addresses/names could make it nearly impossible for a virus to skip the poison address, and no amount of clever social engineering or code morphing or hacking around a corporate e-mail filter would do any good.

    Am I missing something or would this make a major dent in the e-mail virus problem?

  33. Re:Good by O2n · · Score: 4, Informative

    I always mount home as noexec.

    Not enough: "/lib/ld-linux.so.2 /home/luser/runMEnow" will work, even if you mount /home with "-o noexec". Common pitfall...

  34. The REAL nightmare scenario... by alispguru · · Score: 4, Interesting
    ... would be a virus/Trojan/worm that spread fast, was hard to spot (used very little system resources), and had a payload that modified documents in small ways:

    Word processing documents - randomly deleted words like 'no' and 'not', or flipped words like 'always' and 'never'.

    Spreadsheets - zeroed out one or two cells

    Presentations - Inserted random obscenities and links to unappetizing images

    Imagine what would happen if nobody could trust their computers any more. Microsoft would be sued into oblivion, EULA or no EULA.

    --

    To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
  35. The only reason this hasn't happened... by Henk+Poley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...is because the virus writers are too scared for being caught. Just take a look at the figures of the most virulent worms of the last 2 years. They did infect a substantialy large part of the open Windows systems in the first 10-15 minutes.