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Train Your Own Replacement

An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo reports on how some employers are asking the workers they're laying off to train their foreign replacements - having them dig their own unemployment graves. 'Almost one in five information technology workers has lost a job or knows someone who lost a job after training a foreign worker, according to a new survey by the Washington Alliance of Technology Workers.' It looks like a real dilemma where if you refuse to hire your replacement, you are fired without severance and are ineligible for unemployment benefits, and if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment."

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  1. Use what Bill Clinton say by kyoko21 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I do not recollect or recall such information at this present time.

  2. Re:Greetings? by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

    be sure to follow up with stories about when large groups of people didn't like what was happening in the work force, and started large groups that beat the shit out of people who crossed them to take their job.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  3. The sad state of American education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    It looks like a real dilemma where if you refuse to hire your replacement, you are fired without severance and are ineligible for unemployment benefits, and if you quit, you don't receive severance and are ineligible for unemployment.

    If this blurb representative of the average American ./ reader's English skills, I can understand why employers want to outsource to other countries.

  4. Thanks, unions, government, and greedy employees! by Art+Tatum · · Score: 0, Troll

    Thanks, unions, for pressuring employers to offer more pay and benefits than labor is worth! Thanks, government, for putting inflationary minimum wage hikes in place and for putting unworkable Worker's Comp and benefit burdens on employers! Thanks greedy lazy American employees for demanding higher and higher wages for less and less productivity! YOU ROCK!

  5. Re:Thanks, Bush! by 09za+ · · Score: 0, Troll

    Bush has no doubt taken the position outsourcing is good...I heard him say it Myself.
    I voted for him and this disappoints me greatly.
    That said, There must be a reason for this short sighted approach...
    They Need Cash Quick...
    who are they...The Elite...
    why do they need money quick, so quick they would trade the future stability of the US economy for it...
    That's the real question.
    I think it might have to do with esoteric high society, the end of the Mayan calender, Planet X (Nibiru),and the pole shift that's gonna RIP US A NEW EQUATOR.
    It costs a fortune to get to Mars... Time is running short(2112)...
    The stage is being set.
    I wonder if they are gonna build a Sphinx with G W's face?

  6. Re:Train them poorly by stephanruby · · Score: 0, Troll
    Yet, Americans are not allowed to move to India for work

    Have you actually tried? Or are you speaking out of your ass.

  7. Re:Thanks, unions, government, and greedy employee by Art+Tatum · · Score: 0, Troll

    Usual Marxist fantasy bullsh*t. Hard working individuals created the middle-class. Unions and governments simply get in the way. You can read my response to 'kommakazi' above for details.

  8. If only Americans knew how good it is elsewhere! by Cryofan · · Score: 0, Troll

    The vast majority of them have little idea how much more relaxing it is to live in a CIVILIZED country like Australia or Sweden or Norway or France or Denamrk, etc. etc.

    The citizens there do not have to worry about being bankrupted by medical problems or they or their children being homeless after a loss of a job.

    You mentioned the years of unemployment available in Oz. Well, here in the USA, the amount is little usually that what you mentioned, but generally you can only draw a maximum of 6 months of unemployment. After that--nil.

    Also, only families with children can get welfare (with some exceptions for food) here in the USA.

    I have no idea why any American over 40 who is not rich/well off would want to stay in the USA when Australia will take anyone degreed and under 45.

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    eat shiat and bark at the moon
  9. The truth is... by Domini · · Score: 0, Troll

    Generalized comments follow, they perception, and cannot be based on fact.

    Americans are overpaid, most cannot even speak English fluently and they are also lazy.

    As a 'foreign' contractor I do the same work for half the price (or less).

    Face it, the only reason you need so much money is becase your prices are so steep.

    Perhaps consider living in a foreign country where the prices are more realistic, and thus you can charge decent rates?

    $30/h is my max, and I'm a senior un*x developer with lots of win32 development skills.

    I do not feel the need to emmigrate to the 'land of the free' anytime soon, thank you. But now and again I get contacts from the States, and find that I can charge ludicrous rates since local Americans seem to bleed the industry dry.

    -sigh-

    Enough ranting... my advice is to get off your a**es and work harder for less. Rasism is not becoming and unions will only perpetuate the problem and kill your industry from the inside. :)

    Mod me down... I deserve it. But I'm sure a lot of international developers feel the same. It's time we got some recognition. Slashdot is so USA-centric it sometimes makes me sick.

  10. Re:Train My Replacement? by essreenim · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yeah, I do think there is a need for greater standards in Sowftware Engineering. It seems that any shmo could get a job "programming" when the Economy is strong.

    But the real issue is that "what goes around comes around". We live in a completely unbalnced "global Economy". Every time you buy a bar of chocolate, your money goes to some greedy chocolate importer that baught the cocoa beans used to make that chocolate for a tiny fraction of the market price by the time it reaches a supermarket shelf.

    So, when you use this as an analogy for whats happening on a global scale, it starts to make sense that we desserve EVERYTHING we get!!

    So what if Indians are taking jobs. Its not there fault. If you lived in India you'd do the same,

    and whats the difference between a greedy cocoa importer who promotes the slavery of people in the Ivory coast,
    and a greedy CEO who wants to increase profits with that same slave labour.
    There is no difference, they are both about greed..

    The problem (the one we have ignored and will continue to ignore, forever!!!, or at least until nuclear apocalypse) is that capitalism is COMPLETELY unsustainable, and will eventually turn this world into a bunch of corporate machines (if it hasn't already!)

  11. Re:Train My Replacement? by drsmithy · · Score: 0, Troll
    The short answers:

    A woman gets married, has a child, and gets divorced.

    Only if the other party will not or can not provide child support.

    A woman sleeps with a guy as a one-off but the condom breaks.

    No. Her fault for not utilising one or more of the numerous "backup plans" available (the Pill, the morning-after Pill, abortion, adoption, sexual activity without risk of conception, abstinence).

    A woman is raped and gets pregnant from it.

    Yes. Pregnancy was not her fault.

    A woman has a child with her boyfriend but they split up.

    No. Her fault for getting pregnant in a situation where she is in a non-legally defined relationship (ie: marriage or de facto) and doesn't have the resources to support the child on her own.

    A woman has a child with her boyfriend, but cheats on him afterwards, and he dumps her

    Identical scenario to the previous one. The reasons behind the split are irrelevant.

    The longer answers:

    The only situations I unreservedly support are those where the woman (or man, for that case, "single fathers" do exist and there's no reason to make the rules any different for them) is, through events beyond her/his control, deprived of income and/or support. So, if the husband/wife/"partner" (I hate that term, but it seems to be in vogue) either dies, runs off unexpectedly or cannot provide child support then the person "left behind" is immediately deserving of assistance.

    However, long term assistance should be dependent on a) not making their situation any worse (eg: having another child) and b) trying to make it better (education, active job searching, etc).

    Rape is a slightly murkier situation. Conception was neither deliberate nor consensual. On the other hand, there are still options available like abortion or adoption. I must emphasise, however, that I strongly believe, rape victims should not be *pressured* into either. It's a fine, pretty much academic distinction, as I also have no problems with child support to rape victims who choose to keep the child with the same provisos about not deliberately worsening their situation, etc.

    Basically, every other situation you offer either requires behaviour that is deliberate and consensual by both parties for the child to be present in the first place or already has legal precedent for other-party child support.

    In the case of divorce - which is a situation I consider different to one party simply leaving - then there are legal recourses for child support from the other parent. Not to mention a mother (or father) who can't support a child should neither seek custody nor allow it to be awarded to them.

    If these avenues are exhausted (bankrupt other party, other party refuses to pay support and gets thrown in gaol, etc), then the initial situation I support applies - the mother (or father) has, through no fault of their own, been deprived of income or support.

    If a mother (or father) can't provide for a child alone then they shouldn't be producing one in a relationship that isn't legally defined (ie: married or de facto), allowing either party recourse for extracting support from the other. If a couple can't support a child together, then they shouldn't be producing children at all - and certainly shouldn't be expecting any Government assistance after doing so (eg: if said couple's parents are prepared to pay for the child, no problems).

    Birth control - both pre- and post-conception - has reached a point where, for all practical intents and purposes, accidental preganancies should never occur. If you can't afford to support a child, then both parties should be using birth control (up to and including sterilisation) and should be prepared to either abort any pregnancies or put the child up for adoption in the case of "accidents". If none of those options are palatable then they shouldn't be participating in sexual activity that might result in conception, if at all (and, no, I don't think abstinence is a realistic form of contraception in the general case).