SCO's Motion to dismiss Red Hat's Complaint Denied
Posted by
ryuzaki0
on from the well-isn't-that-special dept.
Soko writes "The scoop is on Groklaw - SCO's motion to dismiss is denied, and further activity in the case is now pending the outcome of the SCO vs. IBM litigation in Utah. If they lose against IBM, will there be anything left for Red Hat to kick around, though?"
does it matter?
by
jagilbertvt
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· Score: 5, Insightful
Just as long as SCO goes under in the end, does it really matter?
Re:does it matter?
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AKnightCowboy
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Just as long as SCO goes under in the end, does it really matter?
I wish Microsoft would just cut to the chase and buy SCO so they could take over the lawsuit. I guess it's better to sue by proxy to avoid anti-trust issues, but I think we're all reasonably aware of who is really behind this fiasco. Follow the money trail.
seems pretty cool. red hat don't have to pay for as much serious litigation as they would've done in the full on trial and they can sit back and relax while IBM pound away at SCO. and in the event that IBM actually lose, then they're ready and waiting with a second shot.
-- and if you see me strut, remind me of what left this outlaw torn...
There's One More Thing
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RailGunner
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· Score: 5, Interesting
SUre, there's still one more thing that Red Hat could get - criminal charges filed against Darl McBride. Barratry, Racketeering, and Extortion.
Even better? Pin some of it on his Microsoft puppetmasters.
Irony in the worst
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bwraith
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It seems like SCO is getting the royal rump treatment now after issuing it's first jab against the *nix community, just as it is stated on the groklaw boards "this is just the first nail to be slammed into SCO's legal coffin"
Let's hope this leads to a faster resolution of this most ridiculous case brought upon by SCO.
Install Linux in them.
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WgT2
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· Score: 5, Funny
When Red Hat gets their turn, maybe they can install linux in them and call them a badger.
Public Opinion on the SCO case
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ponds
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First off, I've seen alot less SCO news lately. I hope that this is a sign that it's almost over.
Now on to the meat of my issue, we who are in the know, not just Linux Users, alot of people that I know who cant stand anything but MS: we are fairly informed about the SCO case. I used to assume that the public felt that way as well, but I don't anymore.
We had a guest speaker in my infosec class last week, a professor from the University of Hawaii who wrote the textbook that we use.
Dr. Panko's speech at some point turned to OSS vs proprietary software in terms of security. Panko claimed that the argument that OSS code is more secure was bunk, because all OSS code he has seen is crappy code (I doubt this is an informed opinion), and that most of it is just stolen from proprietary software anyway.
Later in the speech someone asked a question regarding the subject of whether the security community will have to deal with MS's security methods forever. Panko quickly proclaimed that Linux is dying due to insurmountable legal trouble, and that they will likely never get out if it.
I think that we do not have a good view of what the uninformed think about the SCO case. And while the case is substanceless, the PR is not. We need to take every opportunity to inform non-geeks, with the ample factual evidence that is out there, that this is an example of a pump and jump stock scam based on frivilous litigation, and that our chosen innovation paradigm (Open Source) is legit.
This sucks !
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Anonymous Coward
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No, really, this sucks.
RedHat tried to get SCO to shut the f**** up until the SCO vs IBM trial has gone through. The judge answers that although their claim (of SCO being a liar scaring their customers), they have to wait and see until the other trial is over. In other words, SCO may carry on lying and RedHat can do nothing but cry over their and Linux' reputation until IBM is done. And when IBM is done, there'll be nothing left of SCO for RedHat to be compensated with. No, really, this is not a victory for RedHat...
Stephane
Why it matters
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Allen+Zadr
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The problem is that if there is still suspicion - and it's found that Novell still owns the UNIX patent - then what would keep Novell from doing the same (flush SuSE as SCO flushed Caldera), starting this whole nightmare over again.
-- Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
Re:does it matter? YES.
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WhiskerTheMad
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In short, YES.
Remember, SCO's purpose here is not to win, or even survive, it's to spread disinformation and fear about open source and Linux. The *real* win comes when SCO is exposed as the passel of lying, greedy, goat-molesting asshats they are, and when their claims about "IP Problems with Linux" are shoved firmly where they belong (namely, certain executives' orifices.
Orifices? Orifii? What's the plural of orifice? Anybody?
-- Love your country always, but respect your government only when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain
Yeah, it's only 10:10am and SCOX is down 3.8% on the morning, with the ask prices looking abysmally low.
Could be a very long day for SCO.
Re:does it matter? YES.
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micromoog
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Orifices? Orifii? What's the plural of orifice? Anybody?
Assholes.
Re:Slashdotters, feel free to examine Panko websit
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BenjyD
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People take computer advice from someone who:
a) uses Frontpage b) doesn't change the title of the pages from "New Page 1"
Worrying.
This ruling is NOT good for RedHat
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bug
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It seems like most of the conclusions regarding this ruling, including that from Groklaw, are that this is good news for RedHat. I simply can't understand that. Sure, the judge ruled against SCO's motion to dismiss, but on the other hand, the judge ruled that no further action can be taken until the IBM case is resolved. That's not going to happen for months or years.
Most of the point of the RedHat vs SCO lawsuit is to eliminate the FUD surrounding Linux. This would allow RedHat to continue to market its products without its prospective customers shying away due to potential legal issues. When the judge ruled that the case is effectively on hold until the IBM case is decided, the judge effectively denied RedHat its best legal opportunity to end the SCO FUD machine in any useful timeframe. As the old saying goes, "justice delayed is justice denied."
Novell != SCO
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Saeed+al-Sahaf
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With publicly owned corporations, nothing is for sure when it comes to profit; remember that the boards of directors of all publicly traded companies are tasked with maximizing stockholder value.
That said, I don't think Novell would take the SCO route, all the signs are against it, and they have seen what is going to be the fate of SCO. But this is still a good point, a good reason that we really NEED the IBM issue to come to it's complete end.
-- "Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
Slashdot Mirror
You forget the fun of dancing on the grave of your foe!
Always going forward, 'cause we can't find reverse.
Just as long as SCO goes under in the end, does it really matter?
seems pretty cool.
red hat don't have to pay for as much serious litigation as they would've done in the full on trial and they can sit back and relax while IBM pound away at SCO.
and in the event that IBM actually lose, then they're ready and waiting with a second shot.
and if you see me strut, remind me of what left this outlaw torn...
Even better? Pin some of it on his Microsoft puppetmasters.
It seems like SCO is getting the royal rump treatment now after issuing it's first jab against the *nix community, just as it is stated on the groklaw boards "this is just the first nail to be slammed into SCO's legal coffin"
Let's hope this leads to a faster resolution of this most ridiculous case brought upon by SCO.
When Red Hat gets their turn, maybe they can install linux in them and call them a badger.
First off, I've seen alot less SCO news lately. I hope that this is a sign that it's almost over. Now on to the meat of my issue, we who are in the know, not just Linux Users, alot of people that I know who cant stand anything but MS: we are fairly informed about the SCO case. I used to assume that the public felt that way as well, but I don't anymore. We had a guest speaker in my infosec class last week, a professor from the University of Hawaii who wrote the textbook that we use. Dr. Panko's speech at some point turned to OSS vs proprietary software in terms of security. Panko claimed that the argument that OSS code is more secure was bunk, because all OSS code he has seen is crappy code (I doubt this is an informed opinion), and that most of it is just stolen from proprietary software anyway. Later in the speech someone asked a question regarding the subject of whether the security community will have to deal with MS's security methods forever. Panko quickly proclaimed that Linux is dying due to insurmountable legal trouble, and that they will likely never get out if it. I think that we do not have a good view of what the uninformed think about the SCO case. And while the case is substanceless, the PR is not. We need to take every opportunity to inform non-geeks, with the ample factual evidence that is out there, that this is an example of a pump and jump stock scam based on frivilous litigation, and that our chosen innovation paradigm (Open Source) is legit.
No, really, this sucks.
RedHat tried to get SCO to shut the f**** up until the SCO vs IBM trial has gone through. The judge answers that although their claim (of SCO being a liar scaring their customers), they have to wait and see until the other trial is over.
In other words, SCO may carry on lying and RedHat can do nothing but cry over their and Linux' reputation until IBM is done.
And when IBM is done, there'll be nothing left of SCO for RedHat to be compensated with.
No, really, this is not a victory for RedHat...
Stephane
The problem is that if there is still suspicion - and it's found that Novell still owns the UNIX patent - then what would keep Novell from doing the same (flush SuSE as SCO flushed Caldera), starting this whole nightmare over again.
Kinetic stupidity has a new brand leader: Allen Zadr.
In short, YES.
Remember, SCO's purpose here is not to win, or even survive, it's to spread disinformation and fear about open source and Linux. The *real* win comes when SCO is exposed as the passel of lying, greedy, goat-molesting asshats they are, and when their claims about "IP Problems with Linux" are shoved firmly where they belong (namely, certain executives' orifices.
Orifices? Orifii? What's the plural of orifice? Anybody?
Love your country always, but respect your government only when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain
Yeah, it's only 10:10am and SCOX is down 3.8% on the morning, with the ask prices looking abysmally low.
Could be a very long day for SCO.
Assholes.
People take computer advice from someone who:
a) uses Frontpage
b) doesn't change the title of the pages from "New Page 1"
Worrying.
It seems like most of the conclusions regarding this ruling, including that from Groklaw, are that this is good news for RedHat. I simply can't understand that. Sure, the judge ruled against SCO's motion to dismiss, but on the other hand, the judge ruled that no further action can be taken until the IBM case is resolved. That's not going to happen for months or years.
Most of the point of the RedHat vs SCO lawsuit is to eliminate the FUD surrounding Linux. This would allow RedHat to continue to market its products without its prospective customers shying away due to potential legal issues. When the judge ruled that the case is effectively on hold until the IBM case is decided, the judge effectively denied RedHat its best legal opportunity to end the SCO FUD machine in any useful timeframe. As the old saying goes, "justice delayed is justice denied."
That said, I don't think Novell would take the SCO route, all the signs are against it, and they have seen what is going to be the fate of SCO. But this is still a good point, a good reason that we really NEED the IBM issue to come to it's complete end.
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck