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Technology Spontaneously Combusts In Sicily

Zacronos writes "According to MSNBC, ever since mid-January, various electronic devices have been spontaneously combusting in the now evacuated town of Canneto di Caronia, Sicily; at this point, the fires are almost daily. The town has been disconnected from the larger electrical grid and was hooked to a generator, but that, too, caught fire. Even unplugged items have succumbed. Nothing seems to have burst into flame except where there is someone present to witness it, but the police no longer suspect a prankster -- after witnessing wires catch fire without cause. Scientists have yet to explain the phenomenon (although unproven theories abound), leading many people to look to supernatural causes."

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  1. Virgin Mary by UID1000000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Many many people will soon flock to Sicily to see the virgin Mary.

    Sadly, in the news, a number of faithful Catholics have suddenly burst into flames today.

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    1. Re:Virgin Mary by gerddie · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sadly, in the news, a number of faithful Catholics have suddenly burst into flames today.
      Obviously, they where heretics ...

  2. well... by snub · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously, if they were running Linux this wouldn't be happening now would it?

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    1. Re:well... by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny

      See what happens when you don't pay your $699?

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  3. Best quote: "We're working in the dark..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the article: "We're working in the dark. We don't have a single lead so far," said Pedro Spinnato, mayor of the trio of Caronia towns.

  4. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  5. Re:Confirmation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bah - I'm from Sicily and this story is a complete load of **BZZZZZZZZTT*

    NO CARRIER

  6. Volcano Experts? by imag0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Colored markings on the street indicate the presence of volcano experts...

    Sweet jumpin' Jesus! The volcano 'experts' must have burned up and left little *poof* marks where they stood.

    1. Re:Volcano Experts? by seanmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      Best. Volcano expert joke. Ever. :)

    2. Re:Volcano Experts? by sunbeam60 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Only. Volcano expert joke. Ever.

  7. The Score by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Scientists have yet to explain the phenomenon ... leading many people to look to supernatural causes

    It really makes me sad when, if people don't understand something they assume it's magic. Why is it that so many people refuse to take 'we don't know yet' as an acceptable answer?

    Science: 0
    Magic: 1

    :/


    -Colin

    1. Re:The Score by slackerboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."--Arthur C. Clarke

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    2. Re:The Score by Hast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It may be "magical" but it isn't "supernatural" or "paranormal". That is, just because you don't understand something should your first assumption be that "this can only be explained by rejecting all previous knowledge and making something up".

      And I find the lack of citations from any of the alleged scientist disturbing. The press is in a sad state indeed.

    3. Re:The Score by fishbot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo."--Anon.

    4. Re:The Score by TMB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Corollary: "Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced." ;-)

      [TMB]

    5. Re:The Score by jamesh · · Score: 5, Funny

      I can do that.
      Fires are appearing randomly, what are the possible causes:
      1. fire bugs
      2. higher than normal voltage
      3. emp devices being tested nearby
      4. act of God 1 (natural causes)
      5. act of God 2 (God's pissed - it is Easter, afterall)
      6. aliens

      we can rule out #1 due to witnesses. Ditto for #2 as fires have been happening in unplugged equipment.

      We can also rule out #3 as the slashdot crowd says that can't be it.

      There is nothing in nature that we know of that would cause #4. God promised after Noah's flood he wouldn't do this sort of thing again so we can rule out #5.

      That just leaves #6. :p

    6. Re:The Score by cabraverde · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."--Arthur C. Clarke

      It really makes me sad when, if people don't understand something they assume it's advanced technology.

    7. Re:The Score by Hell+O'World · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from terrorism."--Not Arthur C. Clarke

    8. Re:The Score by theLOUDroom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is magic, if not simply something we do not (yet) understand?

      An excuse for not understanding something.

      Rather than being bothered to actually try and understand something you just shrug your shoulders and say "magic".

      It all reminds me of one of my favorite Calvin and Hobbes strips:
      Calvin: Dad, what makes the wind? Dad: Trees sneezing. Calvin: Really? Dad: No, but the real answer is a lot more complex.

      Magic/Myth/Religion are all ways to explain the world to those who can't bother to be interested in the actual truth.

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    9. Re:The Score by aliens · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sure, blame me!

      For the last time, it's the Illuminati!

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    10. Re:The Score by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a few reasons. Firstly, there people are sitting in a hotel and tired of it, hoping daily that this isn't the day their family home (or entire town) burns to the ground. They're desperate for an answer and not in the mood to spend a few years investigating this interesting phenomenon.

      Next there's the fact that to most people, technology itself IS a sort of magic. Just press that button and invisible forces spring into being to make the cup of water boil. Even if they take the nuker apart it still looks like magic. Just one moving part, and even that doesn't have to be there (but the heating will be less even without it).

      If you look at the way many people without technical knowledge interact with technology, it's just a bunch of 'invocations' that they have learned will do something useful (usually they learned it from a book of a techie). For all the meaning it has to them, they might as well be burning incense and shouting arcane latin phrases. They know that when the incantations don't work, there's this 'reboot' that can restore order. That's why you see business DSL customers rebooting the router when the email doesn't work (but the web does) and rebooting their PC didn't fix it.

      Sometimes, when there's no harm in it, I find it better to let people do those things while I figure out what the problem is. It lets them feel less helpless and occasionally, they stumble over the solution.

      You'll also note that the local priest along with the residents did decide to let the scientists have the first crack at the problem.

      'We don't know yet' is a perfectly valid answer right now, but it doesn't get them back into their homes. It doesn't help that things bursting into flames for no discernable reason is a recurring theme in movies about the supernatural.

      It doesn't help that scientists aren't always all that scientific when presented with observations thay cannot explain. Too often, important phrases like "this is just a guess, but" get replaced with "I'm absolutely certain that" whenever coincidence is about to be invoked. The correct pronouncement would be "I have no idea whatsoever", but scientists don't like to say that either.

      Add on top of that all of the 'scientific' pronouncements like 'eggs are bad for you', 'any wine is bad for you', 'oops, no, some wine is good for you, and so are eggs, but avoid fat at all costs', 'oops, people are getting fatter on low fat diets', etc, etc, and people start to think that the 'scientists' are just making things up too. They make the mistake of confusing various pseudoscientific nonsense from the FDA, NIH, and the AMA (or their own regional equivilants) for science. I call it pseudoscience because collectively they have a habit of stating working theory (complete with conflicting evidence) as if it were fact and flatly denying the existance of plainly observable phenomena when the correct answer is clearly "We don't know".

      If we can't get scientists to abandon dogma and various forms of mysticism, how can we expect it from laymen?

    11. Re:The Score by The-Dalai-LLama · · Score: 5, Funny

      At this point in the discussion I doubt this will be read by anyone, but I'm going to tell the story anyway.

      At the tail end of a stint in the Marines (too short to deploy) I got shipped to a headquarters unit personnel office that had a bunch of computers networked to a couple of shared printers. Since I knew the most about computers (which isn't saying much) people often asked me to help them with small problems.

      One of the corporals came to me once and said that her computer wouldn't print. I walked over, fiddled with everything I knew to fiddle with, and when that didn't help I turned to religion.

      "Corporal," I said, "Papa Legba is the voodoo god of the crossroads; all communication falls into his domain and he is displeased. We must make a sacrifice. Do you have a floppy disk that you are not using?" She gave me a 3.5" disk, which I held in the air and then tore open. I used a ballpoint pen to mark some arcane-looking but utterly meaningless symbols on the disk's medium, then had her tape it to the side of her monitor. I told her to try it again.

      Of course, when she tried again it printed with no problem. I have no idea what changed, but as I walked back to my desk she told me that I was the weirdest man she had ever met.

      The "sacrifice" was still taped to the monitor when I rotated out three months later.

      The Dalai Llama
      ...probably reading "Count Zero" at the time...

  8. Re:Article one week old by Mostly+a+lurker · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it is not an April Fools joke. For details, see http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/canneto.htm that has been covering events for 5 weeks already.

  9. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean if any kind of EMP is the cause of you thinking?

  10. Limits of Science by Fortress · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find this a good example of those phenomena that science can't yet explain. I'm often amused by science types that say something is impossible because it doesn't fit any current theory.

    Seems to me any true scientist should always be watching for observations that don't fit the known theory, as they are indicators of a nedd for further refinement.

    Sadly, scientists, like most people, are more interested in being right, and tend to look for confirming evidence, sometimes to the detriment of their conclusions.

    Before you flame me as an anti-science zealot, let me confess that I'm a science guy as much as your average geek, and I think science is responsible for most of the good changes of the last few centuries. I just think that when we hold too tight to our theories, we leave the realm of skeptical science and enter the world of blind faith.

    BTW, I have no plausible explanation for the spontaneous fires. But I am confident that someone will come up wih one that doesn't invole a tinfoil hat.

    1. Re:Limits of Science by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "science types that say something is impossible because it doesn't fit any current theory"

      They don't. Not the *real* ones anyway, only the quacks with books to sell. Science is all about finding evidence to *refute*, not support, a hypothesis.

      You need to read more.

  11. Re:Confirmation? by CdBee · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, Can any sicilian slashdotter with a carrier pigeon or a battery powered CB radio confirm this?

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  12. Not Unique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Believe or not, similar incidents have occurred before.

    o 1945 - A village a short distance from Almera in Spain (New York Time 5th July 1945).

    o 1983 - A small coal town in West Virginia, Wharncliffe (Housten Post 16th June 1983 and Columbus Dispatch 24th July 1983)

    o 1990 - San Gottardo in the Berici Hills of Italy
    (UK Sunday Express 11th March 1990 and The Guardian 22nd March 1990)

    I've given you references so you can check them out for yourself.

    (posted anonymously to avoid Slashdotters you refuse to think about things which don't fit inside their predefined universe).

  13. all this is measureable by VTdude · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. The anchient art of measuring EMI is not exactly lost. Italy is covered with individuals from test labs to HAM radio operators who can take a few spectrum analyzers with antennas and powerline couplers and measure EMI an conducted emissions and look for these surges.

    2. America is one of the few nations in the world where the power going out or setting firest makes the news, in most of the world it happens daily.

    3. About a decade ago Italy ruled their version of the FCC incompetent and disbanded them. Though there are EU rules to deal with, it is a wild west of wireless where you can send photon-torpedo strength EMI around with no-one to slap you until the mobs find you.

  14. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The common thread in the fires is objects connected to wires, whether powered wires or not. Wires are after all antennas though the matching frequency depends on length. It's well known in RF engineering that under the right circumstances, RF energy can cause high temperatures at impedance boundaries. Quite possibly some high power RF source is causing the phenomena. One of my guesses is energy bouncing off the ionosphere and coming from far away, maybe the US military's HAARP, or something the Russians have. The fact that all the occurrences are in one tiny village midway between some railroad lines and the ocean is odd since nothing industrial or military is nearby. I'd say it's accidental and the result of military testing elsewhere.

  15. Re:Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't need to be EMP. A continous Tesla-style resonant earth antenna can create "hot zones" where ground... isn't...

  16. Re:Confirmation? by CGP314 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ::Smiles at the idea of a carrier pigeon bursting into flame as soon as a message is attatched to its leg because it now falls under the 'technology' category::


    -Colin

  17. Re:Hmm. by fshalor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think they were testing BPL in this region....Natural resonances of power systems are a phenomena which is very little known in this sort of region.

    Another big hint: they said the'd disconnected the town from the power system. If they still had a connection somewhere to the grid that they didn't know about, that would set them up for more problems. (Mixing grounds from different phases is a NONO... I've experienced really bad RF just trying to use a radio that was running on gen power and a computer on shore at the same time.)

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  18. Re:Suspicious timing by platipusrc · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, The Register's article is dated February 11, 2004.

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  19. Re:Confirmation? by Goedel74 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a Sicilian (I live in Catania) and I can confirm that the news is real. At first the police thought of fraudulent actions from unknown people but after some weeks 3-4 policemans saw some electric cables (old cables, unconnected and resting on floor) that started spontaneously to combust. After that many scientists and technicians have done many tests without results. Those events are happening only in a very little town near the city of Messina.

  20. CICAP's take on this by pamar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First of all, this is pretty old news in Italy.

    Here is CICAP entry on this phenomenon (in Italian sorry).

    CICAP is a group of scientists who routinely investigate (and debunk) any so-called supernatural phenomenon in Italy (they cover anything: ESP, religious miracles, even omeopathy). Sort of a James Randi fan club.

    I suppose most of Slashdot's reader cannot read Italian: the gist of it is that they suspect a prank. According to similar phenomena they investigated in the past, the first accidents are caused by natural causes (short-circuits, overload).

    But then people start talking, and making hypotesis, and someone starts causing this as a prank or a way to get attention, media coverage etc. Then CICAP arrives, and start looking aroud, and everything goes back to normal.

    CICAP sums this as follows: 100% of phenomena happen when controls are at 0% 0% of phenomena happen when controls are at 100%

  21. Re:Hmm. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would suggest they start with several teams with fied strength meters looking for the guy doing Tesla tests...

    my EE professor back in college demonstrated Nicolai Tesla's theories and designs by powering a electronic device from across the room and with no wires. he also warned all of us to NOT bring any electronic equipment and everyone in the Engineering building was also warned as well were PC's removed from the building.

    he was generating a field strength that pegged a standard meter 500 feet from the building.

    Tesla was going to generate much HIGHER atmosphereic voltages with his tower...

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  22. Re:It's Not Magic, It's God(TM) by t14m4t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you think some of the most religious people are often absolute morons, and many intelligent, well-educated people often aren't highly religious? Idiots need an explanation for everything, intelligent people seek answers and do not believe in what they cannot prove to themselves.

    You know, I used to think that, too. Then I realized that there are an awful lot of really smart people that are extremely religious, too. Albert Einstein, if I recall correctly, was a devout believer. Isaac Newton, when he was developing calculus and his theory of gravity, was trying to understand God.

    It is the desire to understand God that has driven virtually all of scientific history, from Galileo to Planck, and only recently has science been transformed into only the desire to undersand our world. And even then, anyone with half a brain would see that we're really juyst trying to understand what God has given us, if you believe in God (see below). Of the viewpoint that I'm trying to expouse in this paragraph, I can't think of anything that can articulate it better the the end of the movie Contact.

    I have come to the belief that religion is not about whether you can explain it or not, or even if it makes sense. If it had to make sense, there wouldn't be any Mormons or Scientologists. But all it really requires for belief in God is exactly that -- belief.

    I for one do not actually believe. But I can see the draws to belief, and they are so strong that I sometimes have think twice about my reactions. Am I particularly bright? I don't think so. But neither do I think I'm really dumb.

    So what's my point? Well, I guess it's that the part of your post I'm quoting was idiotic and immature, born of a sense of moral superiority for your beliefs and contempt for the viewpoints of others. I used to be the same way; only recently, I saw the errors of that way of thinking, and have become more tolerant and open-minded towards people who beilve in God, Allah, Krishna, Zeus, Ra, or whatever faith you believe in. The rest of your post, on it's own merits, I belive to be accurate; however, in light of the point you were trying to make, is wholly inaccurate and inadequate as to what religion actually provides a society.

    After all, after everything is said and done, you can't DISPROVE God; absence of proof is not proof of absence. Since you can't disprove it, you have to take into account that God is possible. Belief in God is just as credible -- not more than, and not less than (and that's the key point) -- as my belief that God does not actually exist, and is in fact a creation of our own minds.

    Although maybe one of these days I'll be proven wrong. I look forward to that day.

    Responses are welcome; this is the biggest area that I spend idle moments thinking.

    weylin

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  23. Re:It's Not Magic, It's God(TM) by torpor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think religion is probably the greatest scam ever invented.

    Behind Health Insurance, you mean ...

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  24. Re:Hmm. by paganizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought this was a nerd site!
    It's obvious what this is; the barrier between the normal world and faerie is coming down; look for reports of weird creatures in the nearby hills, similar things happening in various spots around the world as the local rules of physics change.
    It's FULLY detailed in the Shadowrun or Dark Conspiracy sourcebooks.

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  25. Re:I'd mod you insightful... by kgarcia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bah

    It's that giant subwoofer the one guy built...

  26. Re:It's Not Magic, It's God(TM) by FictionPimp · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I think its Cuthulu. Only the dead but sleeping god would have the power to do this. Quickly look for the burning sword in the sky that annouces the end of the world and pray that Marduk comes with the secret word shape and number to save us. I have spoken with the 50 incarnations of Marduk and they tell me we have nothing to fear if we pray to Iniaana to save us.

    what makes you think my religion, the religion of the oldest know civilized people is not right?

  27. Re:Confirmation? by autocracy · · Score: 5, Funny
    (#*@$#)@(&)DF%N
    I just wanted to note that your code doesn't seem to execute in my version of perl. Which version did you write that in? *smirk*
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  28. Re:Confirmation? by Carl+Sable · · Score: 5, Funny

    Knight 1: Maybe he spontaneously combusted before he could finish?

    Knight 2: He wouldn't say **BZZZZZZZZTT*, he'd just say it!

    Knight 1: Maybe he was dictating.

  29. Re:It's Not Magic, It's God(TM) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If he substituted "Buddha" and "Tao", would it make a difference?

    You are condemning him as a "nut-job" just because he used two key-words specific to his religion. You sound Jesusphobic.