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Smart Cars to Save Stupid Drivers?

bl8n8r writes "Ford spokesman Mike Vaughn said they tested computerized optical scanning and a variety of warnings: a vibrating steering wheel, the sound of a car driving over rumble strips and a visual warning projected on the windshield. Researchers also tested a so-called "active" system in which the vehicle would actually adjust the steering automatically if it veered too far one way or the other."

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  1. Smart Cars to Save Wealthy Drivers... by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Spinella said automakers have studied systems that use cameras to scan drivers' eyes or sense when they're loosening their grip on the steering wheel beyond normal.

    What's normal? I routinely drive w/o my hands on the wheel. I also tend to take "half-naps" by closing one eye. If it doesn't learn my behavior how is it going to work for me?

    It will be offered this fall on 2005 models of Infiniti's FX sport utility vehicle, then again next spring on the 2006 M45 luxury sedan.

    Apparently only those wealthy enough can afford to be saved while the rest of the 1500 people a year that croak because of drowsy driving have to suffer.

    Bah!

    1. Re:Smart Cars to Save Wealthy Drivers... by modecx · · Score: 5, Funny

      You've not seen anything till you've seen a guy steering with one knee, other foot on the gas...Playing a FLUTE...passing you on the shoulder.

      Kid you not.

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    2. Re:Smart Cars to Save Wealthy Drivers... by ragnar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Apparently only those wealthy enough can afford to be saved while the rest of the 1500 people a year that croak because of drowsy driving have to suffer.

      Suffer? I hope this is in jest, because your current auto is no less safe tomorrow as it is today because of this technology. In addition, many safety items are first produced on high end cars because the cost is more easily absorbed by the purchaser. If the system works it will become a commodity item and become affordable for more people.

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  2. Stupidity 198823, Engineers 42 by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Funny
    Doomed to failure. Trying to pit engineering against the almighty demon known as human stupidity. The poor engineers don't stand a chance. Time for my favorite Einstein quote.
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    /me still bitter about the driver of a full size truck that rear-ended me on the freeway because he was looking at a tow truck in the ditch and not the road. He wasn't malicious, he was just plain stupid, and no avoidance system could have prevented it.
  3. All it needs to detect is.... by Chris_Stankowitz · · Score: 5, Funny
    Estrogen levels!!!!

    /ducks

  4. Warning ! by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Coming from the Onstar speaker: "You are approaching 88 mph. Your flux capacitor is set to Europe at the time of the Black Plague. Are you REALLY SURE you want to take the DeLorean there?"

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  5. If they keep protecting stupid people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do they expect evolution to produce a better human species?

  6. Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So when you swerve to miss the idiot ahead of you who's wrecking due to his smart car BSODing, your car will automatically adjust the steering so you plow head on into him. Where do I sign up?

  7. So what if it screws up? by ajutla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What if you're driving down a perfectly straight road and suddenly your car starts weaving back and forth because it's trying to correct its path because some dirt's gotten into its sensors and screwed them up? What if you're trying to turn and the car won't let you? What if you're trying to drive and the computer intervenes doing dangerous things? There'd better be a manual override...

    1. Re:So what if it screws up? by mks113 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You could say the same about anti-lock brakes. "What happens if the computer decides to release your brakes at the wrong time!!?".

      The answer is that they asked that question early in design. It detects anomalies and shuts the system down. I expect it to be the same with "auto-steering".

  8. Finally! by Shaper+of+Myths · · Score: 5, Funny

    Researchers also tested a so-called "active" system in which the vehicle would actually adjust the steering automatically if it veered too far one way or the other."

    Finally!

    Now when I'm talking on my phone, reading the newspaper, and eating breakfast on the way to work, I can look down to pick a DVD or refresh /. without worrying about being a hazard anymore!

  9. Still... by dolo666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me, the most interesting part of the whole Smart Car debate, is the human facets of it, whereby humanity has to decide if they are going to relinquish control of their driving to a more automated system. The benefits are there, indeed, but some people just hate giving up power (which will cause the big problems, if you ask me). Eventually this will lead to a total-control model, whereby drunk driving would become a thing of the past, tickets would be a thing of the past, driving lessons would be a thing of the past, and speed limits would be a thing of the past. Accidents will likely still occur until the system had all the kinks worked out of it.

  10. Liability by spuke4000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm surprised the car companies are going for this. This seems to be a huge liablity problem for them. Right now if you plow into a crowd of school children it's your fault. But if this thing malfunctions, or if someone can argue that the auto-steer system has *anything* to do with the accident, wouldn't there be a ton of lawsuits? Car companies have deep pockets.

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  11. "Risk homeostasis" by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's say it all works just exactly as advertised and is adopted.

    It will make things safer for a short time. Then everyone will get less alert, because they'll expect the car to take care of warning them.

    People will make their own decisions about whether they are too drowsy or intoxicated to drive, and if driving is a little easier they'll let themselves get a little drowsier or intoxicated than they would have before, and things will be just about as safe as they were before.

  12. Re:Not sure how it relates... by briansz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think everybody can agree that rumble strips on the side of roads are A Good Thing.

    Unfortunately, it's the reaction that some drivers have when suddenly jarred awake that's the problem.

    Not that the reactions of many drivers are much better when they aren't dozing. It amazes me no end how we give a person license to pilot a 5000-pound missle - day or night, and in all types of weather - when all they've proven that they can drive it around a small parking lot and answer a few questions.

    Want to reduce accidents? Want to save lives? Mandatory driving skills and car control training before you get a license. As it stands, we're so concerned with car control here in the USA that you'll get a Reckless Driving ticket for doing donuts in a big empty parking lot while testing out the limits of your ride to see how it behaves in a skid condition.

    Won't Somebody Think Of The Children?

  13. C172 by MisanthropicProgram · · Score: 5, Funny

    I found out the hard way that a C172 has a stall condition warning - it would go into a dive and my pants get really wet!

  14. There's an easy fix for this. by tgd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Teach people how to drive.

    15 hours of how to move in traffic isn't driving instruction. People need to know what to do when they understeer and oversteer. They need to have done it before, over and over, so they learn how to react.

    Controlling a car isn't hard, and the majority of times people think their car is out of control, its not so far gone a knowledgable driver couldn't recover safely.

    We just don't teach anyone how to drive in this country. Fifty bucks and fifteen hours behind the wheel of a minimum wage driving teacher shouldn't cut it.