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SpaceShipOne Completes Second Test Flight

waynegoode writes "According to an article at Space.com, Scaled Composites' SpaceShipOne suborbital rocket plane made its second powered flight today. The piloted vehicle was powered by a hybrid rocket motor to over 105,000 feet. The engine burned for 40 seconds, zipping to Mach 2. SpaceShipOne is one of several projects competing for the $10 million X Prize. Slashdot mentioned yesterday that it received a license from the FAA, the first license for a suborbital rocket."

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  1. Good luck to them! by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is a very exciting project to watch. Clearly Rutan and company are not entirely doing this for the money as they have easily spent more than the $10M prize already. They must be pretty serious as they have applied for DOT/FAA permits, according to the article:

    Just yesterday, the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) announced it had issued the world's first license for a sub-orbital manned rocket flight.

    The license was issued April 1 by the DOT's Federal Aviation Administration's Office of Commercial Space Transportation to Scaled Composites. This federal paperwork green-lighted a sequence of sub-orbital flights by Scaled Composites for a one-year period.

    The license to Scaled Composites is the first to authorize piloted flight on a sub-orbital trajectory, the DOT statement noted.

    I hope we are able to witness this "...piloted flight on a sub-orbital trajector.."this year!

    Happy Trails!

    Erick

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    1. Re:Good luck to them! by RedWizzard · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Clearly Rutan and company are not entirely doing this for the money as they have easily spent more than the $10M prize already.
      You are right that Scaled Composites will have spent more than $10M. I've heard that their budget is $30-40M. But they are trying to develop a commercial venture so they are certainly "in it for the money", not the X-Prize (although that will obviously help), but the money to be made in space tourism.
    2. Re:Good luck to them! by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Clearly Rutan and company are not entirely doing this for the money as they have easily spent more than the $10M prize already.

      They indeed might not be doing it entirely for the money but that is hardly evidence. From the start I've considered the $10 million to be more of a publicity stunt, an incentive to speed the projects along a little bit, and some startup cash so some company doesn't win and go bankrupt before they start selling tickets. Who ever gets there first is going to get huge publicity and they will be the first to sell tickets to all the hollywood superstars who want to go into orbit. The $10 mil is good for startup but they, and a lot of the other X-prize competitors who make a sucessful ship, will be raking in way more than that once they start carrying paid passengers.

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  2. Um by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Scaled Composites has its eyes on snagging the X Prize, a high-stakes international race to fly a reusable private vehicle to the edge of space and return safely to Earth."

    There is no way in hell anyone is going to accomplish this feat for under $10 Million. What is this going to buy them? Bragging rights? Certainly not a spot next to Lockhead or Boeing.

    1. Re:Um by pokeyburro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pretty much bragging rights, yes.

      Or you could look at it this way: sub-orbital flight can potentially yield returns far beyond the investment. And I don't mean just the ability to fly at sub-orbital altitudes; getting this far proves you've got the brains and cojones to achieve this feat, which attracts other investors, which can fund bigger projects.

      But if you can't bear the investment, the X-Prize may soften that blow to the point that a company may give it a try. Think of it as a carrot that will feed you long enough to get to the BIG carrot farther on.

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  3. A Little Questionable Article? by slakr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a really interesting development, and best of luck to these guys. But this quote from the article: "The engine burned for 40 seconds, zipping to Mach 2, or two times the speed of sound, according to a source that witnessed the test flight high above Mojave, California skies." is a little wierd. An unnamed source, who is just credited as a "witness" doesn't sound like the right person to make these sorts of claims.

    1. Re:A Little Questionable Article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You know how big it is.

      You know your telescope.

      You know it's apparent size
      in your telescope.

      Therefore, you know the distance
      to the object!

      You know which end of the
      thing is the front.

      You know that it flies forward.

      Therefore, you know which
      direction it is moving in!

      Amazing, huh?

      Simple high school geometry is all
      that's involved. And a wee bit of
      logic. And knowing that rockets
      fly in the direction which is
      opposite the engine exhaust.

      You must not have ever taken
      high school geometry.

  4. I hope they get there, but what next? by skywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Although this team have spent more than the prize money, it seems incredible that they have designed, built and flight tested a prototype for less than the cost of any off-the-shelf space-launch I have ever heard of.

    Is this 'cos they're good, or is it the case that the two tasks (suborbital flight, orbital flight) really don't bear any comparison? Five years from now, will Slashdot be covering the Y prize (orbital flight) or ultimately even the Z-prize (presumably an amateur moonshot)

  5. Okay, you guys... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Enough with the "I'll believe it when I see them fly at xxxx feet" or "Rutan's an aviator, not an aerospace engineer" or "Only 15 seconds? Bah!' comments. Just suppress the generalizations and childishness for a little while... and watch Burt Rutan, Scaled Composites, and SpaceShipOne. Watch them as if you were waiting for the curtain to be raised for an opening act, because that's exactly what this is. This is rocket plane history unfolding.

    Rutan and his company aren't doing this for the prize. They're doing it to make a point about certain types of aviation and engineering that have been long derided by NASA and other naysayers as being unrealistic, impossible, et cetera.

    Look at Rutan's track record, which includes the development of composites--an absolute breakthrough that the FAA is just now getting around to accepting--and the Long-EZ craft. Look at everything the guy has done, and the company he has, and tell me he doesn't have one hell of a chance at making this thing work.

    1. Re:Okay, you guys... by SB9876 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, 100 km is old stuff for NASA but it's still quite useful. There's the whole space tourism for 1/10th the cost angle which does have appeal. The Russians are building a space plane (another X Prize contestant, BTW) for that very purpose. I don't know what the maximum downrange for SpaceShipOne is but it has great potential for moving small numbers of people and freight at high speeds. Need to send someone or something from LA to New York in 1.5 hours for $100K a pop? There's a solid, profitable business right there.

    2. Re:Okay, you guys... by ckaminski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish you people would shut up about the damn space elevator already. Please tell me how you're going to build a 20,000km space tether out of unobtanium WITHOUT FUCKING CHEAP ACCESS TO SPACE?!

      Thank you. ;-)

    3. Re:Okay, you guys... by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do I need cheap access to space? If you gave me a cable that worked for a space elevator, but the only material that would work resulted in a cable that required something with twice the power of the Saturn V, I'd jump at it despite having to hire rocket scientists to design and build the thing. (Assume that the plan of dropping a small cable to pull the big one up turns out not to work for whatever reason).

      Once I get a cable in place, all launches are cheap. I can undercut anyone with a conventional rocket, and still make money, despite my high initial costs. I'll just spread those costs out over 50 years.

      Mind I will be very careful to make sure that if you want to compete with me, you have to build your own rocket because there is no way I could compete with you taking your cable up on my elevator.

      Just get me a cable. The rest is easy. (Easy as in we already have the technical know-how to do it. Not as in any fool can do it)

  6. how long now? by bwy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something is getting ready to happen real soon. Days after an FAA launch permit, a second powered test all the way to over 100K feet. The burning question is, how many more test launches before they go the distance? Surely, the history of test piloting experimental aircraft can yield a little input? What are the things left to verify and confirm before going the full 300K+ feet? I'm guessing not a whole lot if performance was good on the spacecraft and the engine burn went well. Is the cabin of SpaceShipOne fully pressurized, or do they depend exclusively on the pilot wearing a pressure suit?

    This is very exciting to watch. I wish these guys all the luck and safety in the world.

    1. Re:how long now? by SB9876 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As another poster pointed out, 100K feet is about the maximum altitude where flaps still give aerodynamic control. Above that, they're going to have to depend upon the attitude control system. My guess is that the next flight will go to slightly over 100K feet and test those systems out.

      After that, there will probably be a series of flights progressively going higher and faster to test out the high speed handling of the craft. Rutan is known for being very methodical about testing new designs.

      After that, they'll probably start doing a few flights to 300K+ feet to make sure that everything works correctly. After that, they'll load on the two extra passengers and prepare to make the two flights in one week necessary to get the prize. (just hitting the altitude doesn't get you the prize) Knowing Rutan, he'll probably throw in a couple more flights in that first week just to show off.

  7. Re:Anybody else still in the running? by JT27278 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    www.armadilloaerospace.com

  8. Re:1/3 of the way there... by Neil+Blender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are the X-Prize rules specific enough about the resulting health of the 3 people upon returning to the ground?

    By 'safely return to earth', I would assume they mean more or less in excellent health. Another thing to note is that the same craft has to repeat the journey within two weeks. I would say getting the ship to 100K feet is closer to 1/10 of the way there than to 1/3 of the way. But then again, what do I know?

  9. Lindbergh wasn't trying to be a transatlantic taxi by TigerNut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A lot of the aviation 'firsts' had nothing to do with commercial interests on the part of the participants. They just wanted to DO it, because they thought they could. On that note, Carmack's efforts are closer in spirit to those of the Wrights, Lindbergh, et al, than Rutan (since Burt and Dick are well known in the experimental aircraft business) but it looks like that within a couple of years there will be a number of private organizations capable of doing Low-Earth-Orbit vehicle insertion. What that is going to do for society? I dunno. The suborbital capability alone basically gives Rutan etc. the ability to deliver people or cargo partway around the world in half an hour. That would be one hell of a courier service.

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  10. Re:Anybody else still in the running? by Mark_Uplanguage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real trick to the X prize, if you read the whole article, is that everyone has to get the FAA approval. So if there are any thoughts to other teams forgoing safety to try and beat the clock, think again. Indeed as a long time fan of Rutan, he's been the only real contender in my mind, due to his ability to solve any challenge presented because he thinks completely out of the box. That tail fin which flips up to control descent is a mark of true genius.

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  11. Re:IS This Design A Dead End? by SB9876 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Getting SpaceShipOne up to LEO just requires a larger carrier arcraft and more powerful, higher Isp boosters. (About 12 times bigger but at least that's something that can be attacked with standard aerospace engineering) The reentry is where the problem is at. 17,000 mph is a lot of speed to bleed off. The current SpaceShipOne design isn't capable of mounting the heat shielding necessary to survive those kinds of thermal loads.

  12. Re:IS This Design A Dead End? by mrright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It will coast to 100km, which is the official edge of space. And the design is not a dead end. It does exactly what it is designed to do: fly to 100km.

    The overall concept which rutan is using is staging at high altitude and low speed with a more or less conventional aircraft as a first stage.

    This is most definitely not a dead end. There are existing launchers such as pegasus that do it that way, and there are also some very serious proposals for orbital two stage space transports with a large, rocket assisted transport aircraft as a first stage.

    Give rutan a price of 100 million $ and he will come up with a concept for an orbital two stage space transport. It will probably look completely different (no two rutan aircraft look alike), but I would bet that it will use subsonic staging at high altitude.

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  13. Re:Anybody else still in the running? by bluGill · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fortunately US pilots have a tradition of experimental planes, and a regulation to place them under. Not everything needed to get into space, but you can work under those rules to do a lot of test flights before you have to get into untested regulatory waters.

    Mind you would be a fool to start with an experimental plane classification and give no hints that you intend to reach farther. Regulators do not like it when you surprise them. However you can work with them in well understood areas, while making it clear you intend to go farther.

    Still if you are in the US and interested you should write your congressmen. (all 3, house and senate) Nothing greases the wheels for those doing better than congress leaning on the regulators to make it easy.

  14. CEV Vs. SpaceShipOne by nixcha · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently read an article in the UK magasine "Focus" which outlined NASA's ditching of the shuttle over more Apollo style rocket+capsule launch systems. After all the effort they've put into the shuttle it looks like NASA has decided that "space plane" style vehicles just simply isn't economically feasible, and will never become the cheaply reusable vehicle they had hoped for.

    Yet at the same time the private sector is clearly getting close to achieving success at the 100km mark. I realise this is very different from the kind of application NASA will be needing out of their kit - but surely the shear potential of such space access would make it worth NASA pursuing further.

    It seems to be that all the advances that have been made by the shuttle will be lost when NASA takes a step back to using the capsule+rocket method.