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Proposed CA Laws to Reclassify Violent Video Games

cybermox writes "There are two laws (AB1792 and AB1793) up for committee approval next week in the California State Assembly that seek to reclassify violent video games in a manner similar to pornography (1792) and require retailers to display Mature rated games separately from other games (1793). The IGDA trade body has a document opposing the bill in its anti-censorship advocacy page." Update: 04/09 02:22 GMT by S : Reuters is also covering support for the bill among "elected officials, religious leaders and civic activists", who "rallied across California on Thursday" - we've previously covered the introduction of this proposed legislation.

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  1. Good. by HRbnjR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I think this is a FANTASTIC idea.

    I am an adult, and a fan of violent video games. Rather than all the complaning and censorship, I would rather just see an adult video game section. And just like they do certain music CD's, I would also like publishers to sell two versions of games - once censored for younger consumers, and one explicit adult only version. For ex, the adult version of Medal Of Honor could have had blood then, unlike the version that shipped. You could even create dedicated online servers for adults, where trash talk is ok, vs family oriented servers.

    1. Re:Good. by BW_Nuprin · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree. I too am an adult, and although I'm not particularly a fan of violent video games, I would like to see the industry get the protection it needs from parents complaining about kids buying violent games. That, and with mature games being off seperately, the portion of the industry that chooses to make ultra violent realistic games can continue to do as they wish, and the rest of us can make games that are less realistic (although not necessarily less violent) and have the shelves ALL TO OURSELVES.

      Of course, the industry doesn't want this, because GTA3 was a huge seller, and most of the American industry just wants to imitate the latest big thing...

  2. Can't we just get over this already? by Ieshan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Okay. Porn is "bad". Your children might see it, but you're not going to spend money on it for them.

    Video-Games can be highly social, skill-based, and excite learning about technology (c'mon, how many 20-somethings on Slashdot know Perl and never played a computer game for fun as a kid).

    Violent or otherwise "objectionable" material is engaging. Not only that, but they can help children build "fantasy" scenarios, which, lets face it, aren't all that different from the things they might see in real life. I worked in a Day Care during highschool [before 9/11, etc, etc], and a kid in the room was lining up toy soldiers and playing "bombing Saddam" - *no joke*. This wasn't some abnormal kid, he was a 4th grader who had heard about this evil guy and made up a game to get rid of him.

    Let face it, you wouldn't want your daughters growing up playing Princess, but you realize that there there's a point where children need to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and at a certain age, play-acting is play-acting.

  3. I said it before, I'll say it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe that Gov. Schwarzenegger will veto it for these reasons:

    The sponsor of the bill has been going on and on about how he believes that Arnold will sign his bills into law, even though Arnold hasn't taken a position one way or the other(although Arnold being in a few games suggests that he will veto it) and also knowing full well that similiar bills in other states have been ruled unconstitutional because the First Amendment protects video games just as it protects movies and music. The sponsor also seems like the type of guy that wouldn't just stop at video games and would start going after Arnold's movies if given the opportunity. Again, if the Supreme Court handles any of the cases whether it's this one or the one in Washington state, I truly believe that the Supreme Court will rule in favor of this industry, not just because of the First Amendment, but also because they silently agreed with the lower courts' ruling when they rejected Indianapolis' appeals.

    Another point of interest: Recently, Gov. Schwarzenegger has stated that he wants the California State Legislature to go from a full-time legislature to part-time like most other states. On vacation in Hawaii, Arnold was quoted as saying that the legislators had too much time on their hands in coming up with "strange bills".
    Hmmm, I wonder if he directed that comment towards this particular bill?

    Straying a little off-topic, the soccer moms that cry about this topic will soon be crying about the FCC going after their daytime soap operas and Oprah Winfrey for "indecent" content, if one FCC commissioner has his way.

    BearDogg-X

  4. Re:More violence on the news by Undefined+Parameter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We are fucking pilgrims. The news just showed a couple american contractors dangled and burned publicly in Iraq. Where's the damn label for the news. Parents blame rock music in the 70s, then video games in the 80s, then internet in the 90s. ... and then video games again in the '00s. Ever feel like this society is regressing?

    The question is, once all the regression is achieved, what will these people do? They certainly won't be living in bliss, that's for sure; they'll still be dealing with the same problems, only they won't have their favorite scapegoats around anymore.

    I don't live in California, but I sure wish I could talk some sense into these people, because I know it'll only embolden their peers elsewhere. I don't want to live in a society that is afraid of itself.

    I also do not want to be guilty of a crime by association, which is where this is heading. Make it "Adult-only" now, so that you can control it, then move to eliminate it by criminalizing it.

    I read, recently, that the DoJ is looking to tear into the pornography industry. I read that, not satisfied with attacking the "extreme" of pornography, the DoJ is going to go after some of the "plain vanilla" and softcore mainstream pornography. First they seized control of it by limiting access to it, and now they are moving to eliminate it by criminalizing it. Evidently, some people take offense to other people seeing a naked human being in private.

    Evidently, some people take offense to other people playing video games in private.

    How long before the moderates speak out against this assault? How long before they act?

    ~UP

    --
    Eat the Path.
  5. Re:not all games are intended for kids by Babbster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    But you're talking about common sense versus commerce. Retailers don't really WANT to display M-rated games separately from the rest of their selection because the displays are intended to sell product to anyone willing to put up the cash. While some retailers are starting to do sales restrictions on M-rated material (requiring ID before selling to the young), none would have a problem selling an M-rated game to a mother or father giving in to the begging of their child who just saw the game in the display case. If the same game was inaccessible to those youthful eyes, they might not make that sale.

    Short version: Of course they need a law because no retailer is going to voluntarily reduce their sales potential.