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MagLev Trains Annoyingly Loud

crem_d_genes writes "You might hear that whistle blowing from that train coming 'round the bend, but tapes of the sounds produced by magnetically levitated and normal trains produced a result that was something of a surprise: Most people rated maglev trains as more disturbing than standard intercity trains. It had been previously known that the two types were about equally loud, but this study analyzed people's reactions to them. Since the effects on the environment will be part of the feasibilty studies for future development, acoustical engineers will have some new challenges. Some participants in the study said the sound made them 'feel insecure, some found it startling, and disliked the occasional shrill sound the maglevs produced.' The researcher postulated that unfamiliarity with the noise might be part of the problem."

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  1. Audio links by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does anyone know of links to audio samples of a maglev? I've never heard one and some rudimentary googling didn't turn them up.

    1. Re:Audio links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are some videos on the German Transrapid project here:

      http://www.transrapid.de/de/medien/video.html

      They're mostly commercials, but you can get an idea of how it sounds like (try the "Test Facility Emsland" video).

  2. Noise Qualities by toxic666 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The quality of the noise source is as important as its intensity (i.e. decibels). Some noise patterns are just plain annoying. For instance, in noise studies, helicopters are considered more annoying and have lower acceptable decibel thresholds; the old Hueys are a prime example.

  3. Maglev audio/video clips by MrZaius · · Score: 5, Informative

    Videos of maglev trains, with sound. My apologies in advance to the host.

    Let the /.'ing commence!

  4. Re:Odd thing about trains... by raider_red · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can hear them better because there's less vehicular traffic during the night. When a city is on the move during the day, all the cars effectively produce a blanket of white noise that reduces your perception of all the other sounds.

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  5. Re:Odd thing about trains... by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    The regular trains actually stop at night, you're just hearing the ghost trains, which are noticeably louder than their corporeal counterparts.

  6. I'd like to hear the sounds because ... by DikSeaCup · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Though they suggest unfamilliarity, one might wonder if it's more of a frequency/pitch or timbre issue.

    The sound of a regular train (been a while since I've heard one) is rythmic, higher pitch clicking. I would guess that the maglev might be more lower frequency. Also, one might wonder if there's a sound beyond the range of human awareness that might be contributing to the feeling that the maglevs are "louder" or more annoying.

    I dunno ... you tend to feel louder high pitched sounds in your ears, whereas the lower ones you might feel more in your body.

    The author of this post would like to point out that unlike other posts, this one was more stream of thought, and less composed than his previous ones. In other words, he's talking out of his ass.

  7. Sample maglev sound by indros13 · · Score: 5, Funny
    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaa

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  8. The sounds of silence? Oh, planes, trains, cars... by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Some participants in the study said the sound made them 'feel insecure, some found it startling, and disliked the occasional shrill sound the maglevs produced.' The researcher postulated that unfamiliarity with the noise might be part of the problem."
    Given time, people can become comfortable with anything. Who woulda thunk that we could sleep through traffic noise, normal rail noise, low-flying jet aircraft etc?

    Where once upon a time new technologies were just introduced, we now run the risk of getting them bludgeoned to death by special-interest groups and environmental impact statements. There is no reason why in time maglev sounds should not become a familiar part of the soundscape, barely noticed if at all, and a realisation that people might be uncomfortable with something just because it is new may help us determine whether something really is damaging or if it's just a baseless case of NIMBY (as opposed to "it really is damaging, so get it the fuck away from me") when people oppose something new.

    (aplogies if this is incoherent... it's been three hours since my last coffee)

  9. Primate sound response by sjames · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder if it's perhaps as simple as our built-in responses to shrill sounds.

    Primates tend to make more shrill prolonged sounds when in distress. We are likely hard wired to go on alert when we hear distressed sounds from another primate. That would explain uneasy feelings and rating the sound as more intrusive and objectionable than a rumble and clicking sound which would be fairly meaningless to the lower parts of the brain.

    It's a two fold problem that will likely call for psychologists and neurologists to determine what is so distressing and annoying about the sound, and then accoustic engineers to figure out how to alter the sound so that it no longer has that characteristic.

    Nothing more than a hypothesis here, but quite testable.

  10. Not surprising by spahn · · Score: 5, Informative

    The frequency content of a sound has a lot to do with how comforting or annoying a sound is. Incredible ammounts of money have been spent on this in the auto industry alone. Studies are done on the sounds of a car door closing to find the sound that makes people feel the most secure when the door has closed. What they've found is that the sounds of car doors closing with more energy in the low end of the frequency spectrum makes people feel more secure in the sound of a door closing.

    Now lets apply this to trains. Normal freight trains generally produce a lot of low frequency sounds. Generally around 300Hz and below. Now the maglev trains could be a lot quieter, but if they make higher frequency sounds, even at lower dB levels, the sound will seem a lot more annoying than freight trains.